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Choosing to live out the gay yearning of Lams Summer by being separated from @ciceroprofacto for weeks on end and pining for her from across the country

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"Adieu, my dear friend; while circumstances place so great a distance between us, I entreat you not to withdraw the consolation of your letters. You know the unalterable sentiments of your affectionate Laurens." - John Laurens to Alexander Hamilton, July 1782
"Adieu_ My dear Muller_ be assured, that though Providence has placed us at a great distance, my heart loses nothing of its’ old love, & esteem for you_" - Francis Kinloch to Johannes von Müller, October 26, 1787
I have just read, as much as I can read, of your letter to my brother [...] Writing must be much more painful to me than to you, for I have a foolish ambition that what I write may be read, but you, I suppose, have no such folly
Cleland Kinloch to Hugh Nelson (his nephew-in-law), 23 August 1817
Someone call the burn unit.
Clearly both Cleland and Francis Kinloch had high standards for penmanship for their non-blood relatives (which apparently were not met):
his letters are interesting, & not ill written, but the character he writes in is horrible, & frightful to look at, & so undicypherable, that many of his acquaintances would be just as much edified with the perusal of an Arabian Manuscript, as with one of Ben's letters; when you write to him, I beg of you to mention this matter, & to tell him, that it robs his correspondence of one half its value._ - Francis Kinloch to Johannes von Müller, June 12, 1790
The Ben referred to here is Benjamin Huger Jr., who, from what I can tell, was Kinloch's step-nephew (Benjamin Huger Jr. was born to Benjamin Huger Sr. and his first wife Mary Golightly; Benjamin Huger Sr. later remarried to Francis Kinloch's sister Mary Esther Kinloch).
Did John Laurens ever smoked or drink during his lifetime?
I'm not aware of any specific mentions of John Laurens using tobacco, but it's possible that he could have smoked a pipe or used snuff. Tobacco was a cash crop in the southern states and would have been widely available. I'm not familiar with the perception of or preference for tobacco products in different social classes and regions of the time, but I think it's at least probable that Laurens partook in some type of tobacco during his lifetime. He did receive a diamond-encrusted snuffbox from King Louis XVI when he served as an envoy to France, though this may have been more ornamental.
Laurens certainly drank alcohol during his lifetime. In fact, he was apparently known for providing high quality Madeira wine to his guests. That being said, there is no evidence that Laurens was an alcoholic. (Unfortunately, I have seen people refer to Laurens as a "depressed alcoholic" on more than one occasion. I'm not sure where this mischaracterization has come from, other than perhaps confusing the historical Laurens with the Sam Adams-drinking musical Laurens.) As a person with high social status and as a military officer/aide-de-camp to George Washington, Laurens would have been expected to comport himself with decorum, and excessive drunkenness would have been frowned upon. That's not to say that he never partook in alcohol-fueled revelry (the infamous and perhaps exaggerated pantsless flaming shots party put on by Steuben comes to mind), but there's nothing that suggests he regularly drank in excess.
Hello! Your posts have inspired me to learn more abt Laureloch and John’s European schooling, I’m just a bit intimidated by all the moving parts and stuff. Do you have any suggestions abt where or how I should begin? Thank you!
I'm glad to hear that my posts have inspired you to learn more about these topics!
John was generally educated by private tutors in Switzerland, and then he began his law education at the Middle Temple in England. A good discussion of John's education in Europe can be found in John Laurens and the American Revolution by Gregory D. Massey. I don't necessarily agree with all of Massey's interpretations and conclusions, but he puts together a decent timeline of John's life, including his education and lodgings in Switzerland and England. The Papers of Henry Laurens also cover a good bit of John's education. Letters from Henry Laurens cover his opinions on various schools in England and his plans for his three sons' educations. Letters from John to his father provide updates on how he and his brothers are progressing in said educations. I made this post a while ago with links to the volumes of The Papers of Henry Laurens that are available online, but I have not checked to see if the non-linked volumes have become available in the meantime. John also frequently wrote to his uncle James Laurens during his time in Europe, so some additional insight can be found in those letters (if you have ever read the letter about John trying to decide between theology, law, and medicine, that was written to Uncle James). The Digital Collections of the University of South Carolina Libraries contain many of these letters.
As for Laureloch, I made a list of all of the surviving/publicly available letters between Laurens and Kinloch. Unfortunately, there are multiple letters that are privately held, and others may simply be missing. Some letters between Louis de Végobre and John Laurens are also available through the Digital Collections of the University of South Carolina Libraries, and these contain some mentions of Kinloch (such as Kinloch refusing to write to Laurens again until Laurens finally writes him back).
To get a better understanding of the relationship between Laurens and Kinloch, one needs to understand both men as individuals. Laurens has one halfway decent biography that's readily available (see above), but I recognize that it is not as easy to find materials relating to Kinloch. Here are some of the sources that I've been using to learn more about him.
Microfilm of letters from Francis Kinloch to Johannes von Müller, held by the American Philosophical Society (APS): This is one of the best sources for learning about Kinloch's thoughts, ideals, and motivations. He wrote incredibly open and heartfelt letters to Müller, a man he lived with in Switzerland and more or less called his soulmate (How does one reduce Mülloch to but one sentence? Just search my blog if you want to learn more about them). These letters span over three decades and thus provide ample information about Kinloch's life from a young man dealing with internal and external conflicts related to the American Revolutionary War to an older man, settled down with a family, jaded by the ongoing political struggles of the new nation. You can request a PDF of the microfilm from the APS. I did have to pester them about it for several weeks before it was finally sent over. Surprisingly, I was not charged for it - it just showed up in my spam box late one night. I am not sure if this was an error on their part, or if they truly will provide the PDF free to anyone who asks. Unfortunately, the scan quality of the microfilm is quite poor. It is essentially scanned backwards and in a way that does not lend itself to scrolling from one page to the next. Some letters also have warping or poor contrast, making them impossible to read. Furthermore, these are scans of original letters, which means they are written in 18th-19th century cursive. No transcripts are provided. This makes it an adventure for the reader! If you are not very comfortable reading 18th-19th century handwriting, this may be a challenge for you, but what better way to learn than by trying? It will also be on you to figure out what Kinloch may be referring to in his letters, as there are no handy footnotes à la Founders Online that tell you who's who and what's what. But I think half the fun is in putting it all together!
The Kinloch family history and genealogy research files held by the South Carolina Historical Society (SCHS): This collection contains pieces of family history (written down family stories, newspaper articles, family trees, scans of portraits, etc.) pertaining to the American Kinlochs. You can visit the SCHS archives in person at the Addlestone Library in Charleston, SC. It is free to visit, and you are allowed to take as many pictures of the collection as you wish. If you are unable to visit, you can ask the SCHS to provide reproductions for a fee. This collection is not very well organized outside of certain members of the Kinloch family having a dedicated manila folder containing their relevant scraps (literal scraps, as some things are written on old envelopes and the like). There is an abundance of information here, and it seems like a family member at one point tried to compile a lot of their family history, but they may not have had the help or resources to put it into a nicely compiled source or cohesive narrative. But if you're willing to look through it all, you can turn up some really interesting stories!
Various books: Kinloch does receive a mention in various books, though he has no book dedicated wholly to himself. The History of Georgetown County South Carolina by George C Rogers Jr. probably contains the most information about Kinloch, his father Francis Kinloch Sr., and his brother Cleland Kinloch.
The Johannes von Müller letters: Although the letters from Müller to Kinloch which complement the microfilm linked above are unfortunately missing (gasp), Müller did mention Kinloch in many of his letters to his friends and family. @my-deer-history has graciously translated many of these letters from their original German into English, and they can be found on her blog (here is the first post from February 2024, and they continue into March 2024). The Johannes von Müller biographies by Karl Henking provide some further information on Kinloch and Müller, though these are also in German.

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song that (forcibly) reminded me of laurens and hamilton the other day (and broke my heart): Servants and Kings by Radical Face
@ciceroprofacto did you anonymously send me this ask 10 years ago
ah just saw you answered my archaeological conference ask haha! any excavations of the laurens family would be a hefty legal battle i imagine so unfortunately it was not that but they were talking abt the evidence florida vs south carolina food trade and food consumption (actual residue or somehow surviving evidence of specific food consumption and comparison of historical records) specifically it was a reference to a letter henry received (iirc) essentially bragging abt how good the fruit selection in florida is. (evidence that oranges for example were already being consumed in florida atp) so not so interesting as excavations 😅 but who knows what could happen
I'm very delayed in posting this, but thank you for the follow-up! Maybe this was related to Henry's travel through east Florida in 1766.
i remember reading about james mchenry joking about notninviting hamilton when they are trying to get girls. I don’t know if i hallucinated it or it was indeed real, albeit i just misrembered it. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Hi, Anon!
Hm… unfortunately this doesn’t ring a bell for me. Realistically, I don’t see something like this having happened, but I could just not know something.
There are plenty of similar silly stories to be found among Washington’s staff though—if that would be up your alley.
I believe anon is remembering the classic "Hamilton, thou shalt not tread on this ground" entry from James McHenry's diary.
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Francis Kinloch writing to Henry Laurens that Charleston will likely not be surrendered to the British after Charleston was already surrendered to the British
"I wish you were at liberty to transgress the bounds of Pensylvania. I would invite you after the fall to Albany to be witness to the final consummation. My Mistress is a good girl, and already loves you because I have told her you are a clever fellow and my friend; but mind, she loves you a l’americaine not a la françoise." - Alexander Hamilton to John Laurens, September 17, 1780
"God Bless you, & make you happy_ when you cease to be so in Europe, America, whose voice I undertake to be on the occasion, stretches out her arms_ my house shall be your's; in short I will share any thing with you but my wife_ who is too pretty for a Professor with his large wig_" - Francis Kinloch to Johannes von Müller, June 10, 1783
“May 1st was May Day, a traditional feast that celebrated the end of winter with drinks and songs. In Valley Forge every regiment erected a maypole, and bands of soldiers toured the camp with flowers in their hats, cheering each pole and being rewarded with glasses of rum. Elsewhere various games, such as ‘base,’ a forerunner of baseball, and wicket, a version of cricket, were soon in progress. Some officers, doubly inspired by May Day and the good news from France, spent the afternoon enjoying a bibulous barbecue on the banks of the Schuylkill. A fifer and a drummer played patriotic and sentimental tunes, which the celebrators bellowed into the sunshine. Not a few of them drank more than they could handle and noticed that the two musicians were giving them peculiar looks. One officer, Alexander Graydon of Pennsylvania, called their expressions ‘sneering.’”
From Washington’s Secret War by Thomas Fleming
Hello. Are there any surviving letters from John Laurens to either of his sisters?
Hello!
There are indeed, but just three that I'm aware of, and only to Martha.
There are two surviving letters from 1775 – 5 May and 31 August – and one from 29 May 1781 that @john-laurens made me aware of.
I don't have permissions to share the scan of the latter one, but I've included a transcript because it's very brief. For context, John returned to France in 1781 to sollicit financial and military aid from the French court and, by late May 1781, had embarked on a ship back for America. Unfavourable winds kept him in port for several days, during which time he wrote a flurry of letters – finally taking a moment to reply to his sister. It seems Martha had proposed a plan to travel to England and assist Henry in some way during his captivity in the Tower of London.
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Brest 29th May 1781 I am upon the point of departure my sweet Friend and sister_ a moment only remans for me to repeat the tender assurances of my unalterable love, the ardent and incessant vows I offer to heaven for your preservation and happiness_ and the cruel regret I feel at quitting France without having the happiness of passing a moment with you, except in imagination_ Devoted to the service of my Country I submit to this sacrifice_ I love you the more for the patriotism which animates you when you speak of America_ in my separation from you, it is a consolation that I am serving our common mother_ & that our friendship cannot be affected by time place or circumstance_ I can’t express to you my surprise at your application to our minister plenipotentiary for a passport to go to England_ I hope that our dear friends my Uncle and Aunt will reconsider the matter and that your project will not take place_ it will have a very ill effect both in france and America_ in a public point of view_ and I do not conceive any good that can arrive from it to our dear and respectable father_ I entreat you to present all the expressions of tender friendship to them in my name, & accept all the wishes that a heart sincerely attached to you can form_ give my love to Polly_ Adieu_ John Laurens.
This is all pure typical John stuff, and it's a pretty stark show of how he prioritises his revolutionary idealism over even his closest family – I'm particularly struck by the reference to America as their "common mother", considering they did share an actual mother.
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The life of John Laurens (1754-1782). PDF version.
Special thanks to @my-deer-friend and @john-laurens who have been so incredibly helpful and supportive through this project, and to @ciceroprofacto, whose amazing timelines and research inspired me.
This was a long-term, ongoing project that is sadly unfinished because the project files were tragically deleted. There are definitely parts that I wish I could rework and parts that are unfinished or blank (or perhaps even inaccurate), but I am proud of how it looks so far. I wanted to create this timeline infographic to have as reference, and now here it is for everyone as well!
*Images used in the public domain. The images used are listed chronologically and linked here.

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Is there any evidence or indication that any of Laurens’ friends or just people outside of his family knew about his being married with a child prior to Hamilton finding out about it? Did he just not tell anyone at all (aside from his father and siblings)? You seem to be generally unbothered by questions and are very informative so that’s why I ask you.
I am entirely unbothered by questions – just occasionally waylaid by [waves at rest of life], so if it takes me a while to get to it, that's probably why.
The only people that we have direct evidence of Laurens telling about his marriage are his father, uncle and father-in-law. One must assume that his siblings heard the news pretty quickly through the family grapevine, and the Manning family would obviously have witnessed the union. John and Martha moved to a house in Chelsea together, which would have been noted in their social circle. We also know, as @john-laurens has shared, that both Francis Kinloch and Gabriel Manigault knew about the marriage and visited Martha over 1777 and 1778 while they were in London. Other South Carolinians in their London circle, such as the Izards and Steads, were also present at some of these dinners. So, at least on one side of the Atlantic, word was getting around.
The same does not seem to be the case in America, but here we must lean a bit more on conjecture.
First, the fact that Hamilton – Laurens' closest friend and confidant – was suprised by the news indicates that this was not common knowledge in their very tightly knit military circle. It just seems inconceivable that it had never come up, especially when we see the kind of banter related to lovers and sweethearts that the aides regularly shared. So we must assume that Laurens was deliberately evasive or even outright dishonest about his marriage.
Second, we don't see a single mention of Martha in any correspondence directed to Laurens from his military colleagues – even in cases where we might expect to see wishes to family members included for politeness ("please send my regards to...") or offers to carry letters to her by those sailing for Europe. Even Benjamin Vaughan, Martha's brother in law, felt the need to explain this relationship to Laurens when he wrote to Benjamin Franklin – and this after Laurens had spent months in Paris negotiating with the French court.
So, in sum, quite a few people eventually knew about the marriage, but Laurens wasn't the one actively sharing this news.
Francis Kinloch's Birth Date
One might believe that Francis Kinloch's birth date has been definitively established as March 7, 1755 - a quick Google search of the man will certainly report that date across numerous sites. Certainly this fact must have been established from some surviving record, right? That's a question I have been asking myself as I have come to find several inconsistencies that could suggest a different birth date (or at least cast some doubt on the certainty of the March 7, 1755 date). You've seen the "was Alexander Hamilton born in 1755 or 1757" discourse. Allow me to now introduce you to my "was Francis Kinloch born on March 7, 1755 or March 6, 1756" ramblings. I will present several pieces of information that point to the different possible birth dates, and I welcome any additional information or interpretations that others may have! After reading, add your vote to the poll to establish Kinloch's new birth date through democratic means.
When was Francis Kinloch born?
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