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most people calling c!wilbur manipulative / abusive just boils down to ableism considering he's canonically psychotic & heavily bpd coded
But you should know as well that psychotic people have psychotic crisses, but c!Wilbur acts in manipulative manners literally everytime he's with someone else. Abt the bpd, you should also acknowledge that most people with bpd (talking as someone who has the same disorder, just as people in my family who also have) don't necessarily do bad things. Bpd makes people cause chaos sometimes, because of the maniac period (you probably know what I'm talking about since you recognized the codding). Anyway, what I'm saying is that you can't just put those things as excuses for all of his bad actions. Is the same as saying "oh no, is fine if someone committed a massacre, because he is a psycopath that suffered bullying, so he couldn't acknowledge it was wrong or whatever". I'm not trying to sound mean or diminish what you're saying, just take this as a conter-point :v
(Sorry abt my english btw, it's not my first language :p)
Logan Theory
((Okay after tumblr DELETED this post, I guess Iβll try doing this again.))
Something that Iβve been reading a lot in some discussion posts about Logan and that βheβs not ignoredβ heβs been so important to Thomas and the others and heβs been thanked and stuff why is he so mad?β
I think I can clear that up for you. But letβs review a few things:
So Logan has been the definitive mediator throughout most of the previous episodes. He was the stage director for CYBG where he was thoroughly listened to; LVP was all about Thomas learning to listen to both of his most dramatic and loud sides aka Logan and Roman and how they can work together; LNTAO is a bit of a setback for Logan but it is his understanding of how the song fit into the conversation, as well as the puppets, that caused Thomas to have his eventual epiphany about his issue going into the episode; in EP Logan is the overall narrator, explaining how all these things that Virgil finds embarrassing were actually very needed in his overall development as a child and a teenager.
SVS has a very important Logan scene that does point towards my whole point:
Logan is quick to say that it isnβt working out. This is presumably obvious by the audience. Thomas is always scatterbrained, late to things, and obviously not looking at the calendar Logan has made considering the only thing on the calendar for April 13th is the callback and not the wedding. If Thomas had been listening to Logan on a normal basis, he wouldβve known that but when itβs revealed, even Thomas himself seems a bit surprised immediately jumping to that Janus is lying and must have tampered with it. The rest of the episode goes on and Logan is given the benched seat but still has his opinions put out there for everyone as Patton calls on him a time or two.
DWIT is where Logan shines. He constantly puts Remus in his place throughout the episode also while proving the point that logic is the only way to work through intrusive thoughts, and that Remus is necessary to some extent. This is also an episode that I think Logan thinks was a turning point in his relationship with Thomas. Thomas sincerely thanks him directly and calls him cool. Logan is not used to that emotional kind of sincerity from Thomas directly and I think it affected him in a way that made him proud of the work he does, more than he would normally be. Logan now realizes that maybe Thomas will listen to him a bit more.
And by listening to him, he means allowing him to serve his true function. Logan, as logic and basically organizer of all of Thomasβs mental notes, likes diligently planning things and keeping order to Thomasβs life to help him live the best life he possibly can. Logan thinks now will be the time that Thomas actually chooses Logan to be the lead side in his life. Maybe for the first time.
Logan had already been pushed to the side once when Thomas decided he wanted to quit his education to become a Vine Creator/Youtube Personality. Roman became center stage but with so much pressure on Internet Celebs, Patton and Virgil also became pretty important. Logan was last on the priority list and as a side, his wants for Thomas have been last on the totem pole so to speak. So now that Thomas has seen how cool Logan is, Logan believes he can finally get some organization and stuff done in Thomasβs life and finally be listened to for what he wants, not just what he can give.
But then, POF happens. Logan is once again pushed out of the conversation and the more important things are emotionally driven, which focuses again on Patton and Roman, with a bit of Janus included. Logan also takes offense to the fact that nobody noticed he was missing and leaves after he done doing what he always does, bringing reason to the situation at hand. I mean, thatβs all heβs good for right? He canβt help Thomas in any other way apparently. All of his other attempts have failed so why bother sticking around and hoping Thomas listens to him?
Then we fall on WTIT, Logan looks so happy upon first showing up to Thomas when he wakes up. We learn later that 5am Thomas made a lot of promises to Logan about getting lots of chores and things done today. Logan is happy because Thomas is gonna listen to him and we all know how Logan feels when deadlines are met and projects get completed.
But then Remus comes into play because Thomas is distracted by Nico not responding to his text messages from 4am. Logically, most people are asleep at that time of night so worrying about someone not answering around then would be kind of silly. Logan doesnβt seem to know about Nico not responding or at least he hasnβt noticed directly whatβs troubling Thomas. We know he sees everything Thomas does to an extent because of a previous episode (βHave you seen the Office bloopers?β βYes I have seen them 15 times because I am a part of you!β) so it makes sense to assume that Logan should know about the messages.
Remus is able to keep distracting Thomas because heβs so focused on why Nico hasnβt responded to his message yet and in this way, heβs able to keep Thomas from doing what Logan wants him to do. Over and over and over again. Heβs unable to eat, heβs unable to do the dishes, heβs unable to clean up the litter everywhereβLogan increasingly gets more frustrated at the fact that Remus wonβt leave them alone so maybe Thomas can get something done. However, Logan is going against his own logic here.
If we call back to DWIT, Logan explicitly says:
And yet, thatβs what Logan is doing here. Heβs trying to stop Remus instead of finding out what the real problem is. In an attempt to finally get Thomas to listen to him and do what he wants, heβs ignoring Thomasβs actual problem: the messages from Nico.
Also something very important in this scene here when Logan is trying to get Remus to stop or just listen to him:
Thomas is looking at his phone again and weβve gone from sad that Nico is ignoring him to anger. His eyebrow furrow in frustration and his nose twitches like his breathing has gotten faster. Then it snaps back to Logan who finally snaps:
βSTOP IGNORING ME!β
The thing is, I think Logan says this without realizing exactly what heβs saying or what heβs feeling at the moment because while some of his feelings are his own, some of them are Thomasβs feelings at Nico for, as far as Thomas knows, ignoring his text messages. As seen here:
He really was taken aback by how angry he really is. Because Orange is clearly affecting him here, but I think he was using Logan to affect Thomas too.
We know that Thomas doesnβt normally get mad at anything within canon; heβs pretty passive and usually letβs things roll off his shoulders. But today, the fact that his house is a mess, he canβt seem to get anything done, Nico ignoring him, and the constant intrusive thoughts that just wonβt go away and keep messing with himβ¦ itβs become too much. He actually was about to explode, which is what happened to Logan. It only didnβt happen to Thomas because Nico called him just before so crisis averted in that regard.
Remus is pleased to finally see some emotion out of Logan and responds with: βBut who do you really want to scream that at?β as he sinks out, seemingly referencing the fact that Logan is upset with Thomas constantly pushing his needs as a side away.
Nico then invites Thomas out and of course Thomas immediately accepts which Logan is surprised at which basically confirms he did not know about Thomasβs Nico problems that had been bothering him all day. The conversation downstairs is the culmination of Thomas and Loganβs relationship. Thomas throws on some clothes to leave and Logan asks him about his needs, the plans they had made that day. Thomas says he will get to it eventually and even makes a joke about tomorrow Thomas or whatever before blurting out: βThis is just really important.β
That is an image of a side who realizes that to Thomas, his needs are not important. Whatβs more important is something elseβ¦ again.
As he sinks out, Logan hugs his planner. That is what is important to him, but it was made pretty clear that just because itβs important to him doesnβt mean itβs important to Thomas.
In the end card, Logan spends most of it with his arms closed tightly around his body, as if holding onto himself in the same way he did his planner. He also seems rather quietβhe speaks but his words arenβt full of that proud tone he usually carries. Itβs soft and weak, or rather timid. He is happy for Thomas but heβs also upset.
The way I see it is that while Thomas and the other sides do take advice and learn from Logan all the time on his knowledge, thatβs different than actually listening. Loganβs needs as a side, his organizational and planning work, is ignored all the time. Letβs put it into a different perspective.
Letβs say you had a friend. They are so important to you and you all hang out together all the time. However, the friend begins to focus on something else more and you begin to drift apart. You donβt really understand this new thing your friend loves but you continue to help them anytime something goes wrong with this new endeavor, because you love them. They come back to you time and time again for more help and while you donβt mind helping them, it would be nice if they could do something you enjoy too instead of it always being about them. You donβt say this, but itβs something you feel inside. Then one day, your friend calls you. Theyβve planned all day around spending time with you! You make plans and youβre so excited for them to come over and hang out. But as you begin to do something, their phone pings. They apologize but have to respond. Itβs for that other focus. You understand but it keeps happening and eventually theyβre called away from hanging out with you. Neither of you have really done anything that day because of the constant distractions taking your friendβs attention away from you. At this point, youβre upset and say βbut I had a whole day plan of things for us to do.β βAnd we will, I promise. Maybe next week. This is just really important, okay?β The friend points to the phone and then excuses themself and leaves your house.
That is the situation with Logan and Thomas.
Getting complemented for your knowledge and smarts, and getting thanks for helping in situations is great and all, but meaningful reciprocation of that same time and energy from the other party means so much and if you keep giving and giving, eventually you have nothing more to give. You feel used and useless.
Tl;dr: Logan wants a more meaningful relationship with Thomas where not only can he teach Thomas things, but also make life better for Thomas but Thomas keeps pushing Logan away in that aspect, claiming that things are just more important than what Logan needs as a side.
(This is 2000 wordsβ¦ Iβm gonna go think about something else for a bit LOLOL)
Also note this:
Thomas is standing in front of the letter O. O for ORANGE MAYBE HMMMMMMM /jk i honestly donβt know but I find it funny out of all the letters in the words, heβs standing in front of the only O.Β
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So, that new Sander Asides episode-
This is so fucking accurate lmaoo
Patton and Remus agree on one thing: being dumbasses flirting with Logan by going
THIS^^^^
Theory on the color change thing on Sanders Sides
So, I've been thinking about that saying that nothing and no one is completely good nor bad, still we have that distinction on Sanders Sides with the dark sides and the light sides. But what if, not only all the sides have their opposite, as they can turn into dark and light? Sure, we already knew they can change sides, Virgil already did it, so "what am I saying?" You must be thinking.
I was noticing, when Virgil officially turned into a light side his color changed from all black to purple. Maybe whenever a side changes their side (funny quote??) So do their color. I don't know if I believe this theory I just had, neither if it actually makes sense, but maybe Logan is turning into a dark side, and changing his color because of it.
But then you ask "But Luuuucas, he's still wearing blue and trying to help Thomas! Even so he's eyes turned Orange. When Virgil got he's "new color" he was already pretty much on the light side." And you're right about it! That's where I go back to that saying, about nothing and no one being actually good or bad. My theory is that all the sides have their two colors all the time, and only present as what point of the spectrum they're most at. Logan wants to be a light side, but he's darkness is starting to develop more and more, maybe slowly turning him against Thomas.
But this is just a theory, tell me what you think about it :v
Cause all along youβve tried to fight it Bruises on your neck- clip on a tie and hide it Wring your hands till your knuckles no longer abide it How long can you keep your tongue and bite it? βTil thereβs nothing left to hold and the fire ignites it And leaves you burning mourning yearning inside it?
So Logan huh?
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About that Logaan moment (we know what we're talking about)
Okay, but did you guys notice how Logan was getting angrier at the same time as c!Thomas was angry for also being ignored and as soon as c!Thomas received the call and started to calm himself down, so did Logan? No? Okay, just saying.
Round of applause to everyone who theorised the Angry Orange Side tm would be associated with Logan, how does it feel to have the gift of prophecy huh???
Ngl, I feel great! It was my favorite theory ever, even when I believed it was nothing more than a headcannon. But now???? Best moment of my life, this is what I've been living for!!!
HERE'S MY BOOOOOY!!!! This is Clay Hudson Berry, my bard on Mighty Blade. As you can imagine, he's the impostor in the team, oh well πππ

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