this blog is predominantly star trek though some other fandoms may appear occasionally, i will try and post those under 'not star trek'. you might see leverage, other sci fi like travellers and orphan black, etc. meta and hc may be posted. these are my opinions and thoughts.
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People are way too mean to Jake Sisko about his outfits :(( his fuckass outfits are one of the best parts of the whole show. Seeing non starfleet federation citizens. Seeing futuristic fashion. Having fun with colours and patterns. Seeing his fashion sense change from a child to an adult. He has more fashion sense than any of the muted militarised "something you could find in abercrombie and fitch" ass outfits of modern trek shows. Where is your zest for life, where is your idealism? Only Quark has more drip.
Hey, hello, hi, if I could just squirm in here and-
Ah, thank you, yes, I have something to add about Jake Sisko's outfits, especially as he grew older in the series, and why it was actually really beautiful and meaningful in context of the time it was airing.
We gotta pop backwards to the 60's and the civil rights movement for a bit, but bear with me here. There was within the civil rights movement a Black separatist/return to Africa movement as well, and while it never quite got its legs under it, some of their leaders and ideas became very influential within the broader movement. Their argument that Americans of African descent shouldn't be expected to unilaterally conform to Euro-centric cultural standards resonated with many, even if the idea of moving en masse to Africa did not. So instead, they brought Africa to America, in a mix of various African traditions because so many black Americans had no way of knowing where their ancestors came from. Out of this we got things like the holiday Kwanzaa and, important to this discussion: Afrocentric fashion.
Afrocentric traditions and fashion grew in popularity in America throughout the 70's and 80's as people started connecting more openly with their roots. The bold colors, geometric patterns and unusual (to America) silhouettes were very distinctive, and unique to an African American reclaiming of heritage.
Now, finally, let's talk about Star Trek again. TOS was revolutionary in its time for showing black people in positions of prestige and respect, to give credit where it's due, and of course TNG had Geordi as a main character with lots of screen time and character development. But they all wear uniforms primarily, the same that everyone else wears. Jake was a black HUMAN CIVILIAN. We seem him in standard fashion (and later see Benjamin in some too), and what did 1990's America see Jake wearing?
Look at those necklines, look at those colors and patterns and shapes. It's futuristic yes, but it is Afrocentric futurism fashion, specifically. DS9, in the 90's, showed us a black family of the far future and said "they did not assimilate, their heritage is still visible, it endures, it is distinct, and it is beautiful."
This was no accident. Avery Brooks was (and is) very involved in the preservation and uplifting of African-American culture, and specifically requested that Benjamin (when out of uniform) and Jake wear more African ethnic inspired clothing as the show went on.
So yeah... Everybody be nice about Jake's clothes >:C
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What makes Garak's estrangement from his father even worse is when you take into account how important family is for Cardassians. Garak never got to be with his father, surrounded by a culture where children are the most precious thing to the culture.
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tbh I feel like people need to get better at a) not drawing white bashir in the first place ofc but also b) recognizing when someone has drawn bashir too white and then not reblogging that art. like I'm not saying you *have* to point it out or dm the artist whenever you see white bashir or whatever and don't be hypervigilant about it but tbh if his skin tone in a drawing is lighter than the average white guy it's p obvious and you don't need to reblog that. he doesn't look like that.
just to add some visual aide in agreement on what @bijoumikhawal has already said about eye color-
so, from the few super-close-up pics I could find that weren’t also totally washed out due to bright lighting, Sid appears to have some level of central or sectorial heterochromia (which is fairly common tbh- Wikipedia example pic on the left of some dramatically pronounced green/brown central heterochromia) and the inner/upper part of his irises are a much darker brown than the outer area. So if someone is googling high-res, closeup photos of Sid to draw from, I get where they might wind up drawing his eyes as green or even gray.
BUT when you aren’t looking at a person with heterochromia up close, the eye color usually seems to blend together and appear like one solid color. My mother has green/brown central heterochromia, and it’s very obvious if you’re, say, two inches from her face with a flashlight in her eye, but any further away than that and they just look brown.
So yeah, any photo/screencap of Sid (or Julian) that isn’t a Super High Res Closeup will tend to run somewhere between hazel-ish to deep brown, depending on the lighting. So unless your drawing is very close up, or called “Attack Of The Giant Floating Julian Bashir Eyeballs,” it, y’know, probably shouldn’t have eyes that are neon green. 🤷
Also I would now like to briefly vent about how frustrating it is to get good reference photos of this man, and make sure I’m matching skintone correctly/respectfully in my art, when some of the photos of him on the internet are Super Washed Out With Either Flash Or Intentional Editing I Guess, and some are not at all:
but in conclusion even in his most washed-out photos you can still very clearly see that there is no excuse for anybody to be drawing a Julian that looks like, I don’t know, a knockoff David Tennant cartoon. I’m looking at you, 1996 marvel comics
I mean the conversation fandom doesn't want to have is exactly that earlier point about race not just being about skin tone. The primary reason the comic book example here is wrong is more about his facial features (where Julian has been given ones that are not only inaccurate, but more stereotypically "white") than his skin tone. Also when you're talking about people from MENA/Mediterranean (Sudan is the former) there's a lot of variation in skin tone that doesn't necessarily fall neatly into U.S. racial hierarchies, and even more variation when you're talking about biracial people (Sid's mother was a white English woman). Also just from being on the Sid City Social Club, I can't say I spend a lot of time zeroing in on the particular color of Sid's skin at a given moment but it varies a lot based on lighting including in the media he’s in in a way that likely isn't (always) intentional, and everybody's skin gets lighter or darker depending on their level of sun exposure, etc. (It also tends to get lighter as people get older, so how he looks now isn't necessarily indicative if you're drawing Julian Bashir at his age during the show.) I've definitely seen art that feels like it's drawing him as a white dude, whether consciously or unconsciously, but the lines aren't sharply defined; it's a "you know it when you see it" sort of thing. I guess the guideline to artists would just be to be aware that the tendency to whitewash him exists and try not to do that yourself, and remember that skin tone isn’t the only way to whitewash.
I've read a lot of fics where Bashir gains enough self awareness to realize that his little "frontier medicine" spiel was a fucked up thing to say to Kira.
I understand the wish fulfillment. However. Let us be for real for just one moment:
Julian said that and immediately forgot about it.
Kira has logged it in her memory and weighed every new piece of information about the good doctor against that fucked up thing he said about her homeland. But Julian was already three thoughts past it as soon as the words were out of his mouth. He will never think about that sentence again. He will never realize why he made a terrible first impression. Unless someone sits him down and explains point by point why it was a messed up thing to say, he will never understand. And no one is going to do that.
Reminder that he says it again in Forsaken (season 1 episode 17) to the ambassadors.
A Maquis refers to it as the frontier as well in the two parter in season 2, and I noticed other scripts where Maquis settlements were referred to as the "frontier".
Which is why I think Julian doesn't see anything wrong with using the term: other humans use it too! It might even be common terminology as far as documentation about the Maquis is concerned and he just takes it from there.
As of note, he also doesn't really change his use of the word in later seasons. In DBIP, Sisko calls back to Bashir's use of "frontier medicine" in his interview, but Richard calls it that as well. He also doesn't correct his father's phrasing.
My thoughts on this: I think he doesn't really get it's hurtful or condescending because it's factual and accurate to the situation. But he figured out it hurts Kira so he doesn't say it to her. I truly believe he doesn't mean it in a bad way, he just doesn't get it the way Sisko does (implied by the callback in the interview) and nobody sits him down to explain it. But he picks up on the emotional response and he tries to minimize that at least.
Poor autistic idiot. It's painful how relatable he is.
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Interesting sidenote on how the Sisko's approach "frontier":
Season 6 episode 1
Which makes me feel that this is another case where the Sisko's are way more aware of the colonialist undertones and Earth's past than Julian, and engage with that. I know Avery Brooks put a lot of that into DS9, but I fear I can't speak on it properly myself.
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