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TV APPRECIATION WEEK Day Four: Underrated TV Show/Arc ā³ Jeanette Kilburn & Sophia Craven in The Crow Girl
This show is wild the plot twists and everything oh and eve myles and Katherine Kelly ā„ļø
The Crow Girl, first scenes of season 2 - thank you for the flashback to the sex scene you skipped through last season, much appreciated!
And this actually seemed quite sweet contextually?
Not too obvious that the kid has shot up overnight, they got season 2 filmed fast enough.
I guess it makes sense that Jeanette is spiralling, that's a lot going on.
Jeanette Kilburn & Sophia Craven in THE CROW GIRL
I mustāve just needed to talk to someone so I came here on autopilot, thinking, āYeah, sheāll understand me.ā I do understand.

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Remember: Tumblr polls are anonymous. And I'm curious to see what happens if I don't explain much.
Take your time to read the options before you click.
Shades of grey scale on The Current Fandom Thing
⬠Solid Black: NO LOVE AT ALL, not even for a moment
Very Dark Grey: MOSTLY NO LOVE/LIKE, but something small WAS enjoyable
Dark Grey: DIDN'T LOVE/LIKE, but some big or many little things to love
š©¶ Grey: EVEN SPLIT to love/like and to not love/like
Light Grey: DID LOVE/LIKE, but some big or many little things not to love/like
Very Light Grey: MOSTLY LOVE/LIKE, but something small was UNenjoyable
š¤ Solid White: LOVE IT ALL, every moment
7 day poll. āļø NO NUANCE OR EXPLAINING YOURSELF. Just click, reblog for sample size if you like, and move on. š
Remember: Tumblr polls are anonymous. And I'm curious to see what happens if I don't explain much.
Take your time to read the options before you click.
Shades of grey scale on The Current Fandom Thing
⬠Solid Black: NO LOVE AT ALL, not even for a moment
Very Dark Grey: MOSTLY NO LOVE/LIKE, but something small WAS enjoyable
Dark Grey: DIDN'T LOVE/LIKE, but some big or many little things to love
š©¶ Grey: EVEN SPLIT to love/like and to not love/like
Light Grey: DID LOVE/LIKE, but some big or many little things not to love/like
Very Light Grey: MOSTLY LOVE/LIKE, but something small was UNenjoyable
š¤ Solid White: LOVE IT ALL, every moment
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Aziraphale or Crowley kinnie?
Somebody posed an interesting question on twitter so I am asking you too. Pick the husband you like/identify with/admire/etc just a bit more and tell me if you liked or disliked the finale.
I understand both these things are complicated but work with me here.
Pick one please:
Aziraphale kinnie - Dislike Finale
Aziraphale kinnie - Like Finale
Crowley kinnie - Dislike Finale
Crowley kinnie - Like Finale
Explain in the comments if you feel like it.
Please share if you find the question interesting. Thank you!
tbh my biggest problem with go3 is that aziraphale and crowley do stuff that affects the plot and actually makes a difference in the story #notmygoodomens. my ineffables do NOT save the world, they are there while the world is saved
youāve taken the two most useless beings in existence and you made them make a decision. look at them. theyāre suicidal now
The thing about Good Omens is that it wasn't just at its core about humanity in a vague general sense, but about human agency. Adam was able to defy his destiny because he was human. War, Pollution and Famine were created by humans and a bunch of human children were powerful enough to tell them to fuck off. A prophecy written by a human gave an angel and a demon the clue they needed to survive the wrath of their own kind. They were willing to risk their lives for Earth and humans, and in the end it was humanity that saved and protected them. Their happy ending was tied to the fate of the world, not a trade-off for it.
So it's wild that in the finale not only were human characters pretty much removed entirely from the story, but the choice of erasing and rewriting the entire universe was handed over to a couple of immortal beings to make on behalf of humans. (And also every other angel and demon who might have had an opinion about getting snapped out of existence.) These guys who started out as supporting characters among a human ensemble, whose relative narrative insignificance was a running joke, got elevated in the end to having godlike powers over all creation, and humanity became not the subject of the story but an object used to say something about their character. Sacrificing themselves for humanity became not about humanity but about their sacrifice; the final narrative beat in their story. That's what feels so ass backwards about the finale to me.

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I think they really jumped the shark with the Book of Life. Once you introduce a nuclear option like that you have to have a justification for why it hasn't been used before now. (For example, why haven't Aziraphale and Crowley been written out if they're so much trouble?)
The Book of Life is not secret (at least not after s2 when it was retconned in); it's not particularly well-guarded; it's targeted; the cost associated with using it is low (you might go crazy but not before you have time to do a lot of damage); there's no danger of mutually assured destruction as long as you hang onto it. It's the kind of unlimited power that automatically makes things less interesting.
One thing that was really intriguing at the end of s1 was the suggestion that other angels and demons were kind of afraid of Aziraphale and Crowley because they didn't know what they were anymore. (And I was really hoping for a payoff moment that revealed that, bodyswap ruse aside, they actually had becomes immune to hellfire and holy water because they'd been on Earth so long they really had "gone native" and become a little bit human, in the way that Adam Young was human and also a little bit something else.)
And then when they did the accidental 25 lazari miracle I thought what was being set up was the revelation that angels and demons are super powerful when they're able to team up and do joint miracles together, but no one's ever figured it out before because sides, etc. And that this was going to be used in the story either to protect the entire Earth from the meddling of angels and demons, and/or to somehow break down the division between Heaven and Hell.
But alas.
I know there are people who are going to decide now that only s1 is canon, and hey, don't let me stop you. But fwiw I actually liked a lot about s2 and I LOVED the Final Fifteen. Because what it did is take the conflict between Aziraphale and Crowley's worldviews that had been lingering under the surface the whole time and force it out into the open.
Even, after everything, Aziraphale at the end of s2 still believes there is a good side and a bad side. If Heaven doesn't look like the good guys it's because it's being run by the wrong people, by "bad angels"; it's not being run in the way God intended. Aziraphale still separates the bureaucracy of Heaven from the will of God; that's why he's able to come up with "are you sure this is God's ineffable plan?" in s1. I think Crowley sees them as one and the same. Crowley believes the system is working exactly as intended, the whole thing is rotten and will never change, and the only difference between the sides is who got the nice offices. He just doesn't have an alternative other than fleeing.
And, whether he's conscious of it or not, at the end of s2 I think Aziraphale still loves Crowley as the angel he was, not the demon he is. He sees Crowley as good because he was an angel once, not because he's a person with his own moral compass independent of both Heaven and Hell.
They've had these differences in worldview the whole time. The tension has been the source of all the serious fights we see. And it finally breaks them.
And hey that is a fine and good and actually very juicy place to leave a second-act breakup! And then in s3 they were supposed to find their way back to each other, realize the ways they'd hurt each other and reconcile.
And it kept almost happening. I could tolerate Aziraphale being kind of an unrepentant asshole in the beginning of the episode, because he was hurt and he still didn't fully understand why Crowley had been so upset. And he did get to defend himself a little, saying what we all knew to be true, that Crowley wouldn't have been happy just bouncing and leaving the world to whatever fate Heaven had in store for it. There were a lot of false starts and little moments and them talking about the right thing but not to each other and it all could have built into a really satisfying payoff scene and then it just...didn't.
Partially the problem was that the stuff with Heaven as a sociopolitical metaphor that I find so juicy was pretty much absent in s3. GO Heaven has elements of an abusive family, a cult, and an oppressive state, and in the show in particular, the mixture of these metaphors was a central pillar of the queer allegory that resonated with a lot of people. Heaven was the family who kicked you out and the church who said God doesn't love you if you're like that and the state that takes pictures of you sitting on a bench with the wrong person and presents them as damning evidence.
And if you're writing a story that deals with what happens when you try to reform such an institution, well, you have to have something to say about that. Is it possible? Does the reformer get swallowed by the system or forced out? What is the alternative if change from within is not possible? How you resolve the political metaphor of Heaven-and-Hell-as-states has a lot to do with whether you can leave the characters feeling safe at the end, and how you resolve the metaphor of God as an abusive parent has a lot to do with whether Crowley and Aziraphale end the show really understanding each other.
I really desperately wanted a conversation where they hashed out why they both felt like they'd been betrayed by each other. They started to get there with the "you chose Heaven instead of me/I chose Heaven because of you" bit, but then they got interrupted. I wanted to know that Aziraphale understood why Crowley would have never gone back to Heaven, and that Crowley understood why Aziraphale had to try. And I wanted JUST ONCE for Aziraphale to refer to Crowley as a demon with love.
izzy hands to dancin' thru the dark because I am SO in love with con o'neill
āOur Flag Means Deathā Renewed for Season 2 at HBO Max
I wanna talk about the Fandom idea of Izzy Hands as aĀ āmanipulator,ā and common ideas around EdĀ āperformingā Blackbeard. Iāve just been kicking around a lot of thoughts about the topic after seeing a lot of meta that feels not-quite-right to me.
First; I admire the writing in Our Flag Means Death SO MUCH. I think that it stands up really well to endless different analyses and has a lot of nuance! Ā So Iām not trying to say like,Ā āall XYZ meta is wrong.ā But Iām REALLY starting to balk at the popular fandom notion that Izzy is a devious manipulatorĀ and that Ed is just āperformingā depending on who heās with in order to have love and acceptanceā in a way that I feel needlessly victimizes Ed and discounts his agency and power as a character.Ā Ā First of all, Izzy isnātĀ manipulative; heās a blunt fucking instrument.
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Iām on my second viewing of Our Flag Means Death and something thatās struck me this time around is how Izzy doesnāt just hold Blackbeard in high regard (obviously) but piracy as a whole. He has a couple of lines throughout the season where he references ārealā pirates ā āYou are simply here to observe how real pirates function in the real world!ā (E05) ā but since this is always in reference to Stede and his crew, itās easy to read Izzyās criticism as specific to them and them alone. And yeah, I think that is mostly the case. Real pirates are more adept at dishing out violence, real pirates know how to sail properly, real pirates engage in hard labor rather than talking about their feelings, etc. ā all the ways in which Izzy embodies toxic masculinity and that cycle of abuse. But if being a real pirate to him was simply about becoming a testosterone-exuding violence machine, youād think that Izzy himself would reflect that better. Instead ā despite the characterization thatās already pervading the fandom (of which I myself am guilty!) ā Izzy is more dutiful to not just Ed, but piracy as a whole, than he is outright sadistic.
Take his duels, for example. Izzy isnāt just skilled with a sword, heās very particular about how he conducts himself while using one. He could have easily killed Stede the moment they met, but instead he slashes up his shirt first to demonstrate how good he is and then announces, āThis is how you die.ā Itās more the setup for a duel, with Izzy allowing his opponent time to see what heās up against and realize that the real duel starts from here on out. Izzy certainly doesnāt expect Stede to manage anything with the reprieve, but thatās not the point. Real pirates donāt just run a guy through, even if he is after your captives. (Which, interestingly, he bought from the elders rather than taking them by force: āYeah, we sold āem to some guys.ā) There are rules that real pirates follow and a certain respectability with which they conduct themselves, the irony of that aside.
This is seen even more clearly in his duel with Stede later in the season. He didnāt need to formally challenge Stede and then wait for him to accept before starting. He didnāt need to start with a couple of easy (for him) attacks and a pointed, āThat was your warning.ā When Izzy has his eyes full of gunpowder Olu is screaming for Stede to stab him while heās temporarily blind because yeah, why wouldnāt you take any advantage you could get? Yet in contrast, right before this, Izzy corners Stede and instead of finishing him off, offers him surrender: āYield or die.ā Even Izzyās loss feels odd to me when pit against all the other lengths heās willing to go to, like working with the British Navy. He knocked Stedeās weapon out of his hand, stabbed him and pinned him to the mast⦠Stede has, by any measure involving a fight to the death, 100% lost. Itās just so, so obvious heās lost. Yet because Izzy broke the handle of his sword while the duel was still technically underway, he looses instead, the logic of that be damned. Why canāt he just pick up Stedeās dropped sword to finish the job? Because thatās not how this works. There are rules and Izzy will not break them. Heās pissed as hell leaving the ship, but heāll do it because thatās what was agreed upon. For Izzy, itās one thing to completely betray Ed in an effort to āhelpā him by joining with their enemy and recruiting an old friend to play distraction, but itās something else entirely to go against ādueling tradition.ā Itās just not done. The fact that Izzy doesnāt kill Stede anyway to provide that same āhelpā speaks volumes about what a pirateās honor means to him.
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Iāve been thinking about whether Izzy is manipulative - yes and no, still pondering - and that led to how Izzy interacts with others, and then trying to suss out how Izzy functioned as a First Mate at all. So thoughts Iāve had:
First and foremost, in command Izzy functions as part of the Edward-and-Izzy unit (aka Blackbeard). Heās not equipped to function on his own, but neither is Edward. The difference is that Edward can hide that fact for longer because heās the one with the instant charisma whose issues trip him up later, while Izzy cannot take control of a situation for the life of him but probably doesnāt suck once he has it and a clear goal. This is, I think, the root of why Izzy struggles so much on the Revenge. Edward effectively abdicates his role as unquestioned top of the hierarchy, which cuts Izzy off from the source of his authority.
And while Edward can keep riding charisma / the Blackbeard mythos / his relationship with Stede to stay on top anyway, Izzy is left to fend for himself in his personal hell.
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I think I also want to be clear⦠Edward likes this about Izzy.
Edward knows full well that his crew thinks Izzy is a dick they tolerate and that Izzyās leadership skills are lacking. It doesnāt bother him, and he wouldnāt change it. Itās partially why he picked Izzy.
We have to get into some toxic codependency here.
Edward cannot lead on his own. Whatever you define his neurodivergence as, the end result is that he needs someone to lean on. Hard. His First Mate above all has to be someone who can manage him. Follow his whims, inject practicality into his plans, lift his moods, conceal his struggles, etc. Otherwise his crew is going to lose all respect and probably kill him the first time he spirals. And thatās dangerous.
Izzy gets a front row seat to all of Edwardās ugliest and softest parts, and he gets it in a way that Edward cannot control by nature. Izzy canāt be sold the myth of Blackbeard. He knows itās fake. He canāt even be sold the myth of perfectly functional Edward Teach. Promoting Izzy requires showing Izzy exactly how to gut him and then handing him the knife.
Iām sure Edward could find someone ābetterā than Izzy who could also learn to work with his issues. Someone who the crew would happily follow, and who could smoothly step in to lead when Edward couldnāt. Someone with a little charisma of his own.
But why would that guy need Edward?
How long before that guy weighs Edwardās moments of brilliance against the difficulties of his low points and decides itās not worth it? How long before he convinces the crew they can be perfectly capable pirates under him instead? How long before he uses Edwardās trust to slit his throat?
Izzy needs Edward in charge, desperately, which makes it safe for Edward to need Izzy right back.
#edward also likes izzy for the things other people consider *weak* about izzy izzy has a sense of honor and duty that is very atypical for a pirate. heās āsentimentalā and edward likes that a lot! he likes that izzy isnāt a sadist. he likes that izzy has a little businessman getup and cares about chores and he really likes that izzy respects him for the kind of shit about himself that he actually likes. the *real* him like it is very telling that izzy must know edward doesnāt kill people and really does not care their relationship is toxic but itās very *mutual* - good and bad. they both encourage this dependencyĀ (via @ladylusciniaā )