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About that Loki and Nat scene
Iām pretty sure that some people have pointed it out before, but Iāve never actually seen those posts:
āAfter. After whatever tortures Fury can concoct, you would appear as a friend. As a balm. And I would cooperate.ā
First Iād like to note that Loki doesnāt seem to assume that Thor would goĀ āyou canāt torture Loki heās my brotherā. He legit thinks that Thor would let SHIELD torture him.Ā
But more than that⦠he seems to be projecting. He was referring to the time he spent in captivity, when he was tortured. Cooperate in the sense thatĀ āyes I will retrieve the tesseractā.
Re: Loki thinking that Thor would let SHIELD torture him: this reminds me of a post thatās gone around about someone asking Tom about why Loki tries to kill Thor in Thor 1 (apologies l, I canāt remember who originally posted it), and him responding that it was his opinion that Loki thought that Thor would kill him once Thor found out that Loki was a Frost Giant. That fear is made a little more explicit here, and itās just so, so sad. Especially given that we see Fury talk to Thor about torturing Loki, and Thor reacts with disbelief that theyād even consider it. (thereās an essay here probably about Lokiās expectations about Thor being violent towards him and the fact that Thor rarely meets those expectations butā¦eh Iāll just explore in fanfiction, I canāt write essays)
Anyway, the way the Nat scene is filmed totally makes it seem like Loki is projecting. Note his reflection in the glass:
And then we get:
āYou lie and kill in the service of liars and killers. You pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something that makes up for the horrors. But they are part of you. And they will never go away.ā
It seems clear to me from the cinematography directly preceding these lines that we are absolutely meant to see Loki talking about himself here, whether or not heās aware of it. So much of this scene is about Loki, what he thinks of himself, whatās been done to him, what heās gone through. Maybe all of it, when you take into account that Natās putting on an act the whole time.
Ā t I have this headcanon that part of the reason that Loki agreed to Thanos to invade New York (not that Loki had that much of a choice since he was being tortured) was because he knew that if any of the other Black Order members - or, heck, even Gamora/Nebula, the casualty rate would have been way higher. Thatās where theĀ āYou pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something to make up for the horrorsā comes from. Thereās a lot of talk about Loki deliberately taking measures to not win the battle of New York. The way heās projecting here - maybe heās trying to convince himself that this is inevitable. He has to carry out the invasion. This way he can lessen the casualties. But at the same time, heās regretting it. He knows the blood is on his hands (he proceeds to taunt Natasha about the blood in her ledger - also projecting).Ā
āBut they are part of you. And they will never go away.ā Regarding this statement, Iāve been thinking about the article where Marvel confirms that Loki was being influenced by the scepter. Under normal circumstances, he never would have invaded Earth. (There are fics where Loki falls into the Void only to emerge on Earth instead of Thanosā hands - and itās not like Lokiās first thought upon arriving to Earth was to conquer it.) But because of the scepterās influence, it magnifies Lokiās emotions like rage and vengeance. We never actually know how long Loki was exposed to the scepter. How long did Thanos have it? Was Loki exposed to its influence for a long time even before he initiated the invasion?Ā
Maybe, on some level, Loki knows that the scepter was influencing him somehow. Bringing out his worst emotions. All these people he killed during the invasion - that was on his hands. He was responsible. Everyone else is also holding him responsible too. Didnāt matter that he did this under duress.Ā @magicmastered did a piece on why Loki didnāt tell others he was tortured (typical me forgot the link soā¦) and one of the reasons cited was that in a warrior culture like Asgard, Loki was the one who would be seen as weak because he wasnāt strong enough to resist the torture. He gave in - his fault. It doesnāt matter that there were external circumstances - being tortured, mind stoneās influence etc. Loki believes that the person who invaded NYC is Loki - itās who he is, he is a despicable criminal.
āYou put a bullet in someone. Youāre not you anymore. Youāll never be you again. But then you wake up the next morning and youāre still you. And you realise that was you all along. You just didnāt know.ā - HBO Chernobyl
Ah I found it
*gestures wildly to the above*
Re: Lokiās assumption that Thor would let SHIELD torture him/Thor and Furyās conversation, this is how I remember that going (well, paraphrased):
Fury: You think you can make Loki tell us where the Tesseract is?
Thor: He craves vengeance, upon me. There is no pain that would prise this need from him.
Fury: A lot of guys think that, till the pain [stops/starts/i forgot].
Thor: What are you asking me to do?
Fury: Iām asking you what youāre prepared to do.
(Side note: Holy crap, Fury.)
Thorās reaction seems less āwhat in the crap?!?!?ā and more āitās not going to work, thereās no pointā. I donāt believe Thor wouldāve tortured Loki. Heās just not in total disbelief at Furyās suggestion.
Lokiās expectations of Thorās violence do make a sort of sense, when you consider that at this point he genuinely believes that Thor threw him off the Bifrost, and Thor didnāt really help matters when his first move upon seeing Loki was to grab him by the neck and drag him out of a plane. And then, right before Tony knocked him out-of-frame, Thor threatened Loki with Mjolnir.
Itās also, I think, an effect of Lokiās depression. He thinks Thor doesnāt care about him, and would take Thorās rough introduction, the fact that the first thing Thor talked about was the Tesseract, and Thorās threat as further proof.
And yes, I love that part of the Loki and Nat scene for that reason exactly. Heās projecting so much there. That section you quoted is a direct parallel to his time with Thanos (while also being true of Nat).
YES. Loki blames himself for NY. In his mind, if he was just strong enough, he couldāve held off and not broken. If anything it makes it worse than if heād just woken up one day and decided to invade Earth and kill a bunch of people. Heād be a murderer but not weak. This way, as he sees it, heās both.
Iām still making up my mind on what was going on with the invasion. I agree that if any of Thanosā other people led that invasion there wouldāve been a far higher death tollā¦but Iām also not convinced that they wouldāve done the conquering Earth thing in the first place. Thanosā big thing was getting the Tesseract. Controlling Earth (directly or indirectly) probably wouldnāt have been much of a concern for him.
And Iām just not sure Lokiād care enough at that point, what with the scepterās influence. Note that up until Thor forced him to really see the destruction, Loki looked like this:
Not exactly āI wish I didnāt have to do this.ā
Not consciously, anyway. I can buy that on some level he didnāt want there to be as much of a slaughter as there wouldāve been, but I doubt it was part of his conscious decision-making process.
If Loki was sabotaging the invasion consciously, I can see how keeping down the death toll couldāve been a factorā¦just maybe not one he was himself aware of.
But āyou pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something that makes up for the horrorsā is definitely coming from somewhereā¦.
ā¦Maybe Thanos was initially planning on doing his usual genocide routine on Earth, because why not and heās there anyway, but eventually went with having Loki rule it instead. That genocide would have had a death toll in the billions, as opposed to Lokiās and the Chitauriās total of 155 that we know of (assuming that Nat wasnāt exaggerating and that we put all deaths from the PEGASUS baseās collapse are on Loki).
In that case you might be rightā¦..
It turns out I had more to add.
Lokiās self-blame may be even worse because of his particular role with regards to retrieving the Tesseract.
If Thanos knew about the Tesseractās location before he acquired Loki, why didnāt he come to Earth earlier? Was there something stopping him? If thatās the case, Loki wouldāve been a way around that (since he was able to go to Earth pretty easily). Ergo, if it wasnāt for Loki, Thanos wouldnāt have been able to come for the Tesseract for whatever reason.
If Thanos didnāt know where the Tesseract was before he got Lokiā¦then Loki is most likely how they found out, considering how much the Other thinks of Lokiās knowledge of it. Therefore, if it wasnāt for Loki, Thanos wouldnāt have known to send anyone to Earth.
Either way, thatās even more things that Loki could blame himself for.
Yippee.
All of this is another reason why I just canāt with the Loki antis who insist he shouldnāt be forgiven because he hasnāt expressed remorse over his genocidal actions. Putting aside the fact that he literally apologised to Thor while dying in his arms, did we watch the same movie?? Even ignoring the literal mind control (because the degree to which it played a role is something we can debate all day long), there are several indicators that Loki did not want to be there. That he regrets what heās done, even while heās in the process of doing it, is heavily implied.
And it hadnāt even occurred to me that Loki might have been the reason Thanos knew where to find the Tesseract. Now my heart hurts even more. Because it makes sense. He definitely would have been aware that it was on Earth, wouldnāt he? Because it was Odin who initially placed it there.
As for the deeper meaning behind the whole āyou pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something that makes up for the horrorsā line, I always assumed this was about Loki rationalising to himself that he wanted to rule Earth so that he wouldnāt have to feel so trapped and helpless. So he wouldnāt have to dwell on the fact that he really had no choice. He needs to believe that heās causing all this death and destruction for his own purposes, because even if he feels some degree of guilt for his actions, thatās preferable to doing it because he was simply too weak to fight back. I realise that the novels are not technically canon, but thereās a line in the Infinity War novelization that implies Loki believed Thor would be able to endure the effects of the power stoneāand that syncs up perfectly with the notion that he believed himself weak for breaking under similar torture.
Reason #35852 why I will never be over Loki.
Also, to add: Thor does end up not just allowing Loki to get tortured, but rather torturing him himself, to het what he wants from him.
The obedience disk.
Hot take but I think that one of the main causes of MCU!Loki's tendency to sacrifice himself all the time and put himself into dangerous situations/get into abusive relationships, is because he has this belief that has been forced onto him since he was a kid that his existence is in service to someone else, and that he owes the world for being allowed to exist.
T1 script has a scene of Frigga telling Odin that it's ok to make Thor king despite him clearly not being ready for this role because Loki will be there to guide and help him. And, looking at the relationship the brothers share, it's so clear that Loki was always raised with this expectation of taking care of Thor. Thor ALWAYS runs to Loki with his problems, even when they haven't talked in over a year, Thor vents to Loki, Thor decides where they're gonna go and what's they're gonna do, the people they both hang out with are Thor's friends, etc. Loki doesn't do any of this, in fact, I cannot recall a singular time Loki would ask for help/bring up his problems around Thor. Moreover, each time Loki expresses any kind of an emotional need or acts unhappy, Thor gets angry, and even violent. Tell me what kind of dynamic it portrays to you. Damn, Thor doesn't even look at Loki while talking to him in T1. ("Never doubt I love you" - "Thank you").
Then there's Odin and Frigga consistently holding the fact they "love" him and, in Odin's case, "didn't let him die" over his head, in both T1 and TDW, to guilt him into obeying them and acting the way they want him to, to remind him that he's "obligated" to be grateful and helpful.
The Other tells him that he owes Thanos for the "great purpose" and his own enslavement.
Then there's Mobius telling him that he was born for the sake of the avengers' success and "to make people into the best versions of themselves". He also holds the "I didn't lat you die" card over his head and tortures him for "being a bad friend" for "running away", etc.
Like, at any given opportunity, Loki is reminded that his existence is in service of other people, he's discouraged from having feelings, or even acting in self-preservation/making decisions that do not result in someone else directly benefiting from.
Of course he will be so quick to sacrifice himself and get into abusive relationships.
Loki and his knives.
small-potatoās tags: isnāt it weird? we constantly see Loki fight overwhelming odds people with big ass guns hordes of Jotnar and Dark Elves with nothing but his knives AND WIN and yet so many people are convinced that Loki is ānot a real warriorā or āsmall sickly and effiminateā I mean - Iāve lost count of how many fics Iāve read where Thor is described as healthy and powerful while Loki is described as small and sickly and - unlike his peers - no warrior where does this idea come from? the only reason Thor is such a āgreat warriorā is because Daddy gave Thor a magic hammer without Mjolnir Thor is nothing and yet give Loki a fruit knife and he will slay armies
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Itās a misconception that comes from the fact that Loki has a leaner appearance and scholarly bearing. He likes books, heās sort of a nerd because magic needs a lot of studying and practice. Heās known to use magic in warfare, which Asgardians/Aesir deem as tricks, not to mention a dishonorable way to fight.
Lokiās fighting skills
Hence, due to such attributes^ Lokiās image takes the form of a skinny nerd who doesnāt know how to be physically strong. People forget that though he may be a nerd (loosely using this term), he was also trained to be a warrior, right alongside Thor. He probably got the best combat training in all of Asgard, because Asgard is a realm of warriors. Itās Princes are bound to be one of the best.
Lokiās style of fighting is different from the usual Asgardian way. Heās quick on his feet, and attacks in non-obvious/unpredictable ways. Heās deceptive and lethal in that way. Like, you see him with a relatively small dagger, surrounded by 5-6 Dark Elves, and the first thought is probably that heās fucked. But he destroys them in mere seconds with just that one dagger and his ninja/martial arts moves. We do not see him using any magic, because he doesnāt need to rely on it. He only uses it when the opponent is someone as formidable as him, someone like Thor. I only saw him use magic in combat when he was fighting Thor in the first movie (correct me if Iām wrong).
So all this talk of him being sickly and skinny is just a construct. Loki may not be buff like the ideal Asgardian body type (Thor), but heās not lacking in skills or strength. Heās the lean muscular type, and he uses that to his advantage. It makes him move like the wind. Also, if anyone remembers, he threw Cap around like a ragdoll, which even Cap acknowledged (āHe packs a wallop.ā).
Fic authors (not all, though, myself included :P) tend to exaggerate certain traits, so itās not really that surprising to see Loki being reduced to a skinny, sickly nerd/geek.
It is rightly observed that Thor has his magical hammer, and he fights with its aid. Loki has no such mighty weapon to rely on. He only has fighting skills. Heās adaptable and he tries to use whatever heās got to its best potential. Be it a dagger or a staff. Iām pretty sure he can even use a pen to fatal effect. heh
TL; DR version: Loki is a fucking badass warrior. The fact that he is a sorcerer does not cancel that at all. He uses small weapons and causes great damage, a fact which most people forget somehow. He was trained right alongside Thor, and he can hold his own in any fight. It takes a lot to subdue him (Mjiolnir to the chest, Hulk smashing, etc). Some fic authors just like to exaggerate his leanness into weakness.
Not only that, but in Avengers, heās fighting while severely injured from torture, and in Thor: TDW, heās fresh out of prison and spending 30 mins+ with his hands locked away in chains.
Loki is a fucking badass.
Think, too what that says about Thanos, the Other, Gamora and Nebula as well, that they could overpower Loki and torture him into submission.

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Can we please talk about the narrative implications of Loki&Gamora preventing Thanos from getting the space/soul stone and him having to kill them in order to obtain said stones? No? Ok.
Oh, also, the narrative implications of the only people proven to be capable of single-handedly preventing Thanos from getting stones being the first major characters to die in IW, foreshadowing his success? Like, them literally not being able to live in the world in which he won???
Thanos makes a point that the majority of death in IW is nothing personal. He is absolutely detached from it.
Loki and Gamora are the only deaths that Thanos is emotionally invested in, for opposite reasons ā hate and love ā a perfect balance.
He kills Loki, the younger brother, after getting the stone in revenge, as a punishment. He kills Gamora, the older sister, before getting the stone in sacrifice, as a reward (in his ideology there is no greater honour than to die for the sake of his purpose).
Gamora and Loki are narratively opposite and the same, two sides of the same coin, both turned against him. So he forced them to surrender. And in doing so he won, because those deaths and the suffering they brought to their loved ones sabotaged the two closest attempts to stop him, forcing both Quill and Thor to act irrationally to avenge them.
This is the downfall of The Avengers not as a team (like in Civil War), but as a concept.
Loki and Gamoraās deaths are quite literally the omen of Thanosā success, the symbol of his victory over the heroes and himself.
About that Loki and Nat scene
Iām pretty sure that some people have pointed it out before, but Iāve never actually seen those posts:
āAfter. After whatever tortures Fury can concoct, you would appear as a friend. As a balm. And I would cooperate.ā
First Iād like to note that Loki doesnāt seem to assume that Thor would goĀ āyou canāt torture Loki heās my brotherā. He legit thinks that Thor would let SHIELD torture him.Ā
But more than that⦠he seems to be projecting. He was referring to the time he spent in captivity, when he was tortured. Cooperate in the sense thatĀ āyes I will retrieve the tesseractā.
Re: Loki thinking that Thor would let SHIELD torture him: this reminds me of a post thatās gone around about someone asking Tom about why Loki tries to kill Thor in Thor 1 (apologies l, I canāt remember who originally posted it), and him responding that it was his opinion that Loki thought that Thor would kill him once Thor found out that Loki was a Frost Giant. That fear is made a little more explicit here, and itās just so, so sad. Especially given that we see Fury talk to Thor about torturing Loki, and Thor reacts with disbelief that theyād even consider it. (thereās an essay here probably about Lokiās expectations about Thor being violent towards him and the fact that Thor rarely meets those expectations butā¦eh Iāll just explore in fanfiction, I canāt write essays)
Anyway, the way the Nat scene is filmed totally makes it seem like Loki is projecting. Note his reflection in the glass:
And then we get:
āYou lie and kill in the service of liars and killers. You pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something that makes up for the horrors. But they are part of you. And they will never go away.ā
It seems clear to me from the cinematography directly preceding these lines that we are absolutely meant to see Loki talking about himself here, whether or not heās aware of it. So much of this scene is about Loki, what he thinks of himself, whatās been done to him, what heās gone through. Maybe all of it, when you take into account that Natās putting on an act the whole time.
Ā t I have this headcanon that part of the reason that Loki agreed to Thanos to invade New York (not that Loki had that much of a choice since he was being tortured) was because he knew that if any of the other Black Order members - or, heck, even Gamora/Nebula, the casualty rate would have been way higher. Thatās where theĀ āYou pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something to make up for the horrorsā comes from. Thereās a lot of talk about Loki deliberately taking measures to not win the battle of New York. The way heās projecting here - maybe heās trying to convince himself that this is inevitable. He has to carry out the invasion. This way he can lessen the casualties. But at the same time, heās regretting it. He knows the blood is on his hands (he proceeds to taunt Natasha about the blood in her ledger - also projecting).Ā
āBut they are part of you. And they will never go away.ā Regarding this statement, Iāve been thinking about the article where Marvel confirms that Loki was being influenced by the scepter. Under normal circumstances, he never would have invaded Earth. (There are fics where Loki falls into the Void only to emerge on Earth instead of Thanosā hands - and itās not like Lokiās first thought upon arriving to Earth was to conquer it.) But because of the scepterās influence, it magnifies Lokiās emotions like rage and vengeance. We never actually know how long Loki was exposed to the scepter. How long did Thanos have it? Was Loki exposed to its influence for a long time even before he initiated the invasion?Ā
Maybe, on some level, Loki knows that the scepter was influencing him somehow. Bringing out his worst emotions. All these people he killed during the invasion - that was on his hands. He was responsible. Everyone else is also holding him responsible too. Didnāt matter that he did this under duress.Ā @magicmastered did a piece on why Loki didnāt tell others he was tortured (typical me forgot the link soā¦) and one of the reasons cited was that in a warrior culture like Asgard, Loki was the one who would be seen as weak because he wasnāt strong enough to resist the torture. He gave in - his fault. It doesnāt matter that there were external circumstances - being tortured, mind stoneās influence etc. Loki believes that the person who invaded NYC is Loki - itās who he is, he is a despicable criminal.
āYou put a bullet in someone. Youāre not you anymore. Youāll never be you again. But then you wake up the next morning and youāre still you. And you realise that was you all along. You just didnāt know.ā - HBO Chernobyl
Ah I found it
*gestures wildly to the above*
Re: Lokiās assumption that Thor would let SHIELD torture him/Thor and Furyās conversation, this is how I remember that going (well, paraphrased):
Fury: You think you can make Loki tell us where the Tesseract is?
Thor: He craves vengeance, upon me. There is no pain that would prise this need from him.
Fury: A lot of guys think that, till the pain [stops/starts/i forgot].
Thor: What are you asking me to do?
Fury: Iām asking you what youāre prepared to do.
(Side note: Holy crap, Fury.)
Thorās reaction seems less āwhat in the crap?!?!?ā and more āitās not going to work, thereās no pointā. I donāt believe Thor wouldāve tortured Loki. Heās just not in total disbelief at Furyās suggestion.
Lokiās expectations of Thorās violence do make a sort of sense, when you consider that at this point he genuinely believes that Thor threw him off the Bifrost, and Thor didnāt really help matters when his first move upon seeing Loki was to grab him by the neck and drag him out of a plane. And then, right before Tony knocked him out-of-frame, Thor threatened Loki with Mjolnir.
Itās also, I think, an effect of Lokiās depression. He thinks Thor doesnāt care about him, and would take Thorās rough introduction, the fact that the first thing Thor talked about was the Tesseract, and Thorās threat as further proof.
And yes, I love that part of the Loki and Nat scene for that reason exactly. Heās projecting so much there. That section you quoted is a direct parallel to his time with Thanos (while also being true of Nat).
YES. Loki blames himself for NY. In his mind, if he was just strong enough, he couldāve held off and not broken. If anything it makes it worse than if heād just woken up one day and decided to invade Earth and kill a bunch of people. Heād be a murderer but not weak. This way, as he sees it, heās both.
Iām still making up my mind on what was going on with the invasion. I agree that if any of Thanosā other people led that invasion there wouldāve been a far higher death tollā¦but Iām also not convinced that they wouldāve done the conquering Earth thing in the first place. Thanosā big thing was getting the Tesseract. Controlling Earth (directly or indirectly) probably wouldnāt have been much of a concern for him.
And Iām just not sure Lokiād care enough at that point, what with the scepterās influence. Note that up until Thor forced him to really see the destruction, Loki looked like this:
Not exactly āI wish I didnāt have to do this.ā
Not consciously, anyway. I can buy that on some level he didnāt want there to be as much of a slaughter as there wouldāve been, but I doubt it was part of his conscious decision-making process.
If Loki was sabotaging the invasion consciously, I can see how keeping down the death toll couldāve been a factorā¦just maybe not one he was himself aware of.
But āyou pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something that makes up for the horrorsā is definitely coming from somewhereā¦.
ā¦Maybe Thanos was initially planning on doing his usual genocide routine on Earth, because why not and heās there anyway, but eventually went with having Loki rule it instead. That genocide would have had a death toll in the billions, as opposed to Lokiās and the Chitauriās total of 155 that we know of (assuming that Nat wasnāt exaggerating and that we put all deaths from the PEGASUS baseās collapse are on Loki).
In that case you might be rightā¦..
It turns out I had more to add.
Lokiās self-blame may be even worse because of his particular role with regards to retrieving the Tesseract.
If Thanos knew about the Tesseractās location before he acquired Loki, why didnāt he come to Earth earlier? Was there something stopping him? If thatās the case, Loki wouldāve been a way around that (since he was able to go to Earth pretty easily). Ergo, if it wasnāt for Loki, Thanos wouldnāt have been able to come for the Tesseract for whatever reason.
If Thanos didnāt know where the Tesseract was before he got Lokiā¦then Loki is most likely how they found out, considering how much the Other thinks of Lokiās knowledge of it. Therefore, if it wasnāt for Loki, Thanos wouldnāt have known to send anyone to Earth.
Either way, thatās even more things that Loki could blame himself for.
Yippee.
All of this is another reason why I just canāt with the Loki antis who insist he shouldnāt be forgiven because he hasnāt expressed remorse over his genocidal actions. Putting aside the fact that he literally apologised to Thor while dying in his arms, did we watch the same movie?? Even ignoring the literal mind control (because the degree to which it played a role is something we can debate all day long), there are several indicators that Loki did not want to be there. That he regrets what heās done, even while heās in the process of doing it, is heavily implied.
And it hadnāt even occurred to me that Loki might have been the reason Thanos knew where to find the Tesseract. Now my heart hurts even more. Because it makes sense. He definitely would have been aware that it was on Earth, wouldnāt he? Because it was Odin who initially placed it there.
As for the deeper meaning behind the whole āyou pretend to be separate, to have your own code, something that makes up for the horrorsā line, I always assumed this was about Loki rationalising to himself that he wanted to rule Earth so that he wouldnāt have to feel so trapped and helpless. So he wouldnāt have to dwell on the fact that he really had no choice. He needs to believe that heās causing all this death and destruction for his own purposes, because even if he feels some degree of guilt for his actions, thatās preferable to doing it because he was simply too weak to fight back. I realise that the novels are not technically canon, but thereās a line in the Infinity War novelization that implies Loki believed Thor would be able to endure the effects of the power stoneāand that syncs up perfectly with the notion that he believed himself weak for breaking under similar torture.
Reason #35852 why I will never be over Loki.
Also, to add: Thor does end up not just allowing Loki to get tortured, but rather torturing him himself, to het what he wants from him.
The obedience disk.
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Itās fascinating the change in expressions from the two gifs. In the first one heās determined and sets out to help Thor. In the second, he realizes that his act of heroism didnāt matter: Kursed lived. Then thereās that look of resignation, bordering on despair, as he realizes whatās coming next. Loki knows heās going to die. Just when he made the choice to fight to live (you can see when Thor saves him from that mini void explosion that heās started hoping -even wanting- to live through this) itās gone.
Yes. This.
Itās kind of even worse when you consider that Thor saved him from death so that he could die to save Thor. You can totally see Loki playing it that way in his head. Heās always secondary to Thor. Even when itās his own choice, he makes it that way. Always.
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And even then, even then, he makes the decision to act to not only avenge Frigga, but save Thor.Ā He uses Kurseās pulling him close to activate the void grenade.Ā While heās being impaled through the chest, he has the presence of mind to reach out, without Kurse noticing him doing so, and activate that bomb.
Because Loki is a BAMF.
I'm really excited about Doomsday, but the idea of giving all the glory to Larry and not Loki makes me sad š
What glory? There is leak that Doom will kill him like Thanos killed Loki in Infinity War. Russo Brothers will again kill him.
@loveloki555
Thanks. I hadn't known about that leakšÆ! But it was to be expected, anyway.
At this moment, I think it's for the best.
Seriously, If they're not going to do justice to a character, then just leave him alone.

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mind if I rant about Loki? What boggles my mind is Iāll find good series critā¦.but the person giving the crit is literally defending TVA Lokiās characterization at the same time and acting like heās NOT completely OOCā¦and seems to be super defensive of TVA Loki, mistaking him for Loki and acting as if Lokiās acted this way since day one. itās like they have the right idea hating the showā¦.but the wrong idea to defend anything about TVA Lokiās OOCnessā¦and it sometimes makes me feel they like TVA Loki more than Loki as a characterā¦.. I hear so much about TVA Loki being a poor sweet baby they just love so much (despite the fact he works for fascists, even tortured a guy for them.)ā¦ā¦ but never anything about how this so called āLokiā acts nothing like Loki. Sorry if this makes no sense, but i greatly dislike TVA Loki bc he represents the bastardization of Lokis character to the public.
TVA Loki isnāt Loki to me but he seems to be to everyone else, even people who hate the show canāt tell the difference. WTF kinda mind control device did marvel use to make them think thereās nothing ooc about him??? š
You don't need a mind control device, for people's biases to infect the way they view a piece of media. In terms of series critics who defend the TVA Loki (mi's) characterization, from what I've observed it's mostly because they're in denial that the character they were so attached to is gone. It's deluding themselves into accepting a new reality, as something that is unchanged and was always wonderful because the reality is simply too depressing.
Admitting TVA Loki is OOC to Og Loki, would be admitting that the Loki we all loved, and the REASONS we all loved him from the beginning is gone forever and isn't coming back. Denying the OOCness, gives them hope to continue with this new imposter as a strange form of Stockholm syndrome (even though the syndrome itself isn't that real) which allows them to contend with this new reality more positively.
For those of us who can't live in a magical dream world where everything wrong is hunky dory, this will look entirely baffling and even crazy to us. Let us value that we still get to keep our heads firmly attached to our shoulders, and let sleeping dogs lie. They seem to be very content dreaming of alternate realities anyway. Thanks for ranting anon, I'm glad to see that there are still sane people out there with standards and clarity about what Marvel has done, and is still doing.
we were raised together, we played together, we fought together, do you remember none of that?
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We gotta appreciate this scene a bit more-
Where these girlās come around and we find out that Thor and Jane broke up
And Thor tries toā¦idk explain it or whatever? And Loki just-
-pats his shoulder? As in showing sympathy or whatever? Trying to cheer him up? Sth like that idk?
Am I the only one who thinks that this is really precious?
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I actually think this scene is CRUCIAL for A) continuity and B) to show that Loki and Thor, despiteĀ āmoving forward,ā have also REGRESSED to their ORIGINAL relationship dynamic, but in this case, in a good way.
A) Continuity: It was very strange to suddenly lose Jane Foster when the last time Thor appeared, in Age of Ultron, he was bragging about how wonderful she was to Tony Stark, who was similarly bragging about Pepper Potts.Ā And even more considering that the entire conflict of The Dark World was about an infinity gem (the Aether) being absorbed into Janeās body, and Thor and Loki going on a quest to exorcise it from her.Ā Moreover saving Janeās lifeātwice in a single sceneāwas an act of knee-jerk altruism on Lokiās part which set the tone for Thor forgiving Loki for what happened in Thor 1 and Avengers Assemble.Ā Thor watchedĀ that happen, and in turn saved Lokiās life, and later fiercely grieved him, in part out of gratitude over Jane.Ā Therefore showing Loki remembering Jane and remembering Thorās love for Jane, and recognizing that this is one more loss that Thor has to sufferā reaching out to comfort Thorāis a way of economically tying the Ragnarok film back to The Dark World, which aired way back in 2013.Ā It was a much needed reference, because the rest of Ragnarok is so disjunctively different from the other Thor films.Ā B)Ā Loki and Thorās relationship dynamic:Ā Loki was always ThorāsĀ right-hand man and the guy who approached himāand was safe to do so given Thorās violent temperāfirst. Loki was always the one who used calm gentle reason to talk Thor down from folly and to lift his spirits.Ā This is shown more than once in Thor 1 and in The Dark World. In Thor 1, itās shown when Loki comforts Thor about Odin denying Thor his coronation (albeit in part Lokiās own doing, but then again, Thor really wasnāt ready) particularly in the extended scene, itās shown in the deleted scene when Thor is nervous BEFORE his coronation and Loki tells jokes to calm him down, and itās shown in Jotunheim in front of Laufey.
In The Dark World, itās shown with greater poignancyāas if Loki literally CANNOT HELP but be a source of levity and comfort to Thor, because heās done it all his lifeāwhen Thor saysĀ ā[Frigga] wouldnāt want us to fight,ā and Loki returns, with a soft little smile,Ā āwell she wouldnāt exactly be shocked.āĀ Ā
Thor is IMMEDIATELY placatedārealizes that he is placatedāand very sadly returns,Ā āI wish I could trust you,ā effectively mourning their lifelong bond.Ā
In Ragnarok, this bond is revived in both the above scene, and, among other times, at the end of the movieĀ (āIt suits youā/Ā āIām hereā ).Ā Ā
And I think thatās beautiful.Ā People think Loki does nothing but double cross and run away from Thor. People joke about how lokiĀ āstabs Thor to show affection.āĀ But at his core Loki exists to be Thorās solace, a habit he cannot fully kick even when they are at each otherās throats.Ā Even in Avengers Assemble, he weepsĀ at having to decline Thorās offer at peace:Ā Ā
āSentiment.āĀ
Tl;dr Loki adores his big brother.Ā Always has.Ā Ā
I wish that for once in the movies Thor could have realized how much Loki was always there, how much he cared and truly saw him in a way that other didnāt. But alas, there is no scene where Thor recognizes how his brother used to cheer him up, and how much he supported him and knew what needed to hear. Thor grieving over loosing the person who knew him like no one else did
I actually think this scene is CRUCIAL for A) continuity and B) to show that Loki and Thor, despiteĀ āmoving forward,ā have also REGRESSED to their ORIGINAL relationship dynamic, but in this case, in a good way.
I have to highly disagree that it is in good way. The dynamic itself was never a good thing.
Loki gave and gave and got nothing back, and Thor took with no consideration.
This dynamic literally gets Loki, and the next similar dynamic will doom Loki to an eternal existence alone with the weight the multi-verse on him.
Sometimes, both options bad. Loki killing people is bad, but also him caring about other also results in the worst fate for him, it always results in people taking advantage of him.
just saying
Tags: #Battered#bleeding#grieving#physically beaten#heartsore and lost ⦠but never truly broken