AMY: I always sort of try and tap into like what is it [characters] really want, like what are they lacking and what are they going for to like fill that hole. Basically Becky, I think, has zero self-esteem. I think she has-I think she really doesn't like herself, and I think her family make her an okay person. Like literally just âokayâ. So anything that gets in the way of that because that need is so great, Becky I think, is also a bit of a narcissist, and she's able to kind of dehumanize people to some extent. So she's obviously dehumanized Carla. She absolutely does the same to Costello. I think they become obstacles rather than people. And in her mind, whatever she does to get her family backâbecause we all tell ourselves, we all spin ourselves narratives, don't we, when we do something wrong? We've got a narrative ready to defend it. I think Becky's narrative is âno one can take care of my family like I can.â So if that's like, the mantra that's running through her head, then anything is admissible. Anything is allowable with that sort of title over the whole thing. So I mean, obviously, I don't condone any of her actions, but I have to make themâfor meâI have to be able to empathise with like the level of need that she has to get her family back.
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INTERVIEWER: And as an actress, youâve got this ringside seat to swarla, can you see why they are such a beloved couple with fans?
AMY: Oh, 100%. I mean, so from, from like, a colleague's perspective, they're just the most extraordinary women to work with. Like, just so generous, so present. You know, they're all like, even, like, when the shot's not on them, they're always there giving 110% to make sure that,you know, you feel fully supported in the moment.
So just like they are lovely human beings. But just as actors, what they do is that they bring who they are to the role. And then also they just have like, genuine affection for each other. Theyâre really playful with other, like they've got chemistry. And I think, I think they both, they both bringâwhich is a really brave and difficult thinâand I think sometimes we donât realise how difficult it is, actually, as an actor to do this, they both bring a vulnerability to it. So that's a really exposing thing to do. But they do it, and it's just incredibly generous thing because it means when you watch them feel let into their inner life, you feel like you're let into not what they want you to see, but all of who they are. So, yeah, they just created these fully realised, like deeply human people who are also flawed. Like they're not perfect, they're flawed, they have flaws, but they found each other.I think we all love, like, it's, we all love that, you know, we all love story, right?
INTERVIEWER: Yeah,
AMY: I think we all love a love story, right? Like if it all just happens easily in life, like I don't buy that. But you buy these two women because they're going through so much, and they found each other. I also kind of feel like, again, like, I think Vicky as Lisa does a really good job of selling the schism of, like, that pull towards, that pull towards Becky. I think the writerâs done a great job of, you know, giving us these moments where you can see, like, as a unit, Becky, Lisa, and Sydney had a lot of fun. Like, they wereâthey were just really silly together, like Becky could always make Lisa laugh. I think you do get these little snapshots the writers kind of given of, like, how much fun they used to have. But then you also get the understanding that it was never really grounded in proper love. You know, it was always slightly, I think, like a tool for Becky. Like, it was the way she got out of trouble, it was the way she could, like, soften Lisa. You know, she could manipulate Lisa that way.
So I think you do get a sense of that relationship through what Vicky is doing, which is, you know, incredibly difficult. Like, soâsuch a difficult thing to sell is, you know, how much she loves Aliâs character, but how confused and tormented she is by me being back. You know, there'sâand you get into the habit. Right. And they never said goodbye; she just lost her. So yeah, she's, I think it's like a process of Lisa falling out of⌠I think itâs a process of her falling out of love with Becky.
INTERVIEWER: Yeah right, I think itâs a brilliant story because I try and put myself in the shoes of Lisa, you know, opening the door to that person, and history counts for so, so much.But, but equally, when, you know, if you're somebody new, then how, I think really, how do you navigate that?
AMY: I donât know and again, I just applaud Vicky for just, I think, nailing it, like, and having to carry that around that whole storyline, just that divided self.
INTERVIEWER: I love ya, and Iâm glad you had some fun with it as well. I mean, at this point, Becky, certainly on screen, she seems to have won successfully as of the Friday just gone, broken up Carla and Lisa, Costello is out of the way. What is her goal to this?
AMY: To reclaim her wife and daughter and then kind of build a seal around that family unit? I can't say how she plans to do that but it is absolutely like, âI will get you back and I will then control you so you can never leave me.â
INTERVIEWER: Wow.
AMY: Yeah, sheâs not very well. She definitely needs counselling.
INTERVIEWER: No, I mean, you know, years spent in witness protection is going to do some things to you. So.
AMY: Yeah.And just obsessively just like watching your family, like, online.
INTERVIEWER: Yeah, I know. It's amazing she didn't, you know, show up sooner, but obviously for soap purposes.
AMY: Yeah (laughs)
INTERVIEWER: She was there for when when Lisa was just about to be happy.
AMY: Iâve just been fuming in Alicante for for years.
INTERVIEWER: I know you can't give away what's coming up, but do you know the full extent of what's to come?And what was your reaction when you read it?
AMY: Open mouthed shock. I think I was quiet quiet for a bit while I just processed it. It was just like, okay, yeah, I did not see that coming, but fun-
INTERVIEWER: Challenging.
AMY: Yeah. I mean, it's I think, itâs gonna go the way you think it's gonna go, like whatever way you think itâs gonna go itâs gonna go all those ways.
INTERVIEWER: Do youâI mean, whatever way it goes, it's gonna have some sort of lasting impact on Carla and Lisa, whether theyâre a couple, whether theyâre not. How do you think that swarla can survive or move forward? Or do you think theyâre strong enough ultimately to deal with what Becky throws at them?
AMY: I think they have the potential to be strong enough, but again like these are flawed human beings. These are flawed human beings who, like all of us, react emotionally. So, you know, they're fiery, they're passionate. This is also why we love them. So sometimes decisions made in the heat of the moment arenât always the best ones to have been made, regardless of how much you love someone. And I think that's probably a useful thing people keep in mind.I think of course they have potential to be strong enough to survive it in. Carla and Lisa are just absolute, you know, they're absolute legends already. I can't give anything away. I can't. I've literally, I can feel like this invisible hand coming down like on my mouth. I thinkâput it this way.If they survive, of course theyâre only going to be stronger because they will have purged Becky Swain from their system. If they don't survive, it's going to be catastrophic.
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checked the pluribus tag on ao3 because of course and lo and behold. the 911 guys are already in there. itâs admirable, actually. two weeks in and with a show that couldnât be further than what thoseâŚi wanna say firefighting cops(?) are doing and still. there they are lmaoooo. above all those fans will prevail they donât give a fuckđ
at this point i think im forever gonna be bitter about tog 2. and the utter waste and discarding of quáťłnh. like the discord/quáťłnh/andy thing is still the worst part for me because itâs so meta in the most depressing way like they brought in uma for her alleged star power but she had shitty material, a bland performance and a horrible fight scene and yet still then they pushed aside quáťłnh in the narrative, which also reduced vanâs role irl. while they left andy & that actress as the center. like itâs so obvious and transparent and honestly racist. idk why they didnât just make a movie with those two white women together like theyâre so clearly wanted to instead of forcing whatever that bullshit was on tog. because literally who was that for? maybe the like 5% of people that are sole andy fans and donât care whatâs happening as long as sheâs on screen? idk but why make everyone else suffer stupid writing and a lazy overall execution for that! and like even with all the different shipping preferences in the audience the team dynamic is still the draw for most and they didnât deliver on that even a little. because that one scene of them drinking and laughing that was obviously added in way after the first cut didnât for one second fool me into believing that the team is the same cohesive and connected group from the first movie. like no thanks didnât buy it! and once again why the fuck is copley there!! literally a walking liability and utterly useless on the ground oh my god.
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Carla looked too good this episode. And broke my heart. Her conversation with Roy? âAm I fun?â Carla please đŠ God. somehow more gutting than seeing her at her limit with B*cky. She was so hurt and couldnât even get assurance from the one person she so badly needed it from. Oh I hated to see it. So well acted though. As was the verbal lashing she gave the ex. Actually, she was too kind because what that woman needed was a dirty slap to the face for real. And Lisa, omg. Her saying she âwouldnât answer a hypothetical questionâ when Carla asked her to basically choose was almost worse than her just saying no or she wasnât sure lol. Like girl come on! Love her but all common sense goes out the window at the worst times. Extra funny when you factor in her detective status lmao
As much as Becky is using twenty years of love and four years of grief to play Lisa, Lisa also isnât stupidâthey certainly push the number one detective copper angle in the show enoughâso her being written as unable to catch onto Beckyâs bullshit while glossing over Carlaâs feelings makes this arc lazy instead of a compelling take on the returned from the dead angle. Because how many times is Becky going repeat the âleaving was actually hardest for me but Iâm back now in a friendly capacity of course btw disregard the the romantic overtures and me inserting myself into your lifeâ refrain while Carla swallows her words re:undead wife and has to soothe herself lest she tell the truth about this annoying ass interloper and further push her into Lisaâs arms before Lisa gets it?
I know with soaps the priority is endless drama over coherent storytelling but Lisaâs obliviousness surrounding Beckyâs behaviour and Carlaâs hurt because of that behaviour is reaching critical levels of WTF. At this point I donât think sheâs going to get it until Becky is literally in her lap, nibbling on her ear and telling her she wants to renew their vows lmao. Because my girl seems to have convinced herself they can play happy families until she gets the âfull storyâ (more lies/a reveal that Becky didnât disappear for entirely right reasons imo) which⌠ugh. I get the impulse to make things good for Betsy but come on. Thereâs being cordial for your kid and thereâs willful ignorance and I think some of the latter is whatâs going on here.
Because Iâm tired of Carla looking forlorn and alone while Lisa fails to notice that sheâs in pain or brushes it away with frankly shallow words of acknowledgement. Keeping the peace is one thing, expecting your fiancĂŠe to go along with this torture intrusion with no mention of when it will end or what the future outlook is, is quite another. Iâm not asking for perfect communication (which theyâve never hadâthe actresses elevate the writing so much and itâs all the more evident with this sillyass arc) just something more than Lisa not noticing the maneuvering and Carla absorbing the pain of it. Because I get it!
On the other hand, the cyclical nature of this situation is getting stale but with how things are going I donât know if I prefer this to what I think theyâre setting up, which is a miscommunication/cheating plot between Becky and Lisa where Carla walks in on them, because again, maximum drama. Because rather than soapy goodness it will feel forced since imo thereâs no palpable chemistry between the ex wives who were meant to have been deeply in love at one point and no gripping tension holding up the general plot. It feels like Lisaâs completely fallen for Beckyâs bullshit and Carla has almost resigned herself to taking whatever she can getâthat conversation with Ryan about being potentially left was guttingâso itâs just boring and drawn out. And I hate it. Maybe an actual triangle, a deeply complicated or at least emotional back and forth where Lisa is being pulled but is clearly in Carlaâs camp and wants to get to the truth so she can move on with her life is coming, but given the writing so far I donât think so. Or at least I donât think itâll be done well. Which I guess is par for the course when it comes to soaps but still. I just hope whatever direction they take this in doesnât get too unwieldy and that the fallout isnât papered over in service of a rushed wedding, once they eventually remember that theyâre headed in that direction. Because itâs already lacking enough.
not all that surprised or even disappointed that found was cancelled. because while it started off promising and exciting, it quickly devolved into another run of the mill procedural that never took advantage of its premise. it actually tended to undermine it, by playing down the darker and more complex aspects of the story (everything about sir and gabi, lena, and even jamie was dragged out and watered down and yielded very boring results) and playing up the mediocrities. which, unfortunately, tended to be the cases. i loved that they focused so much on marginalized communities, but most of the time, the mysteries were incredibly unremarkable and uninteresting. which is something i could say for the whole show. intriguing, but completely squandered its potential. and i hate that, because it was such a compelling concept and the actors were great. they deserved better stories to tell.
sir showing up to the funeral of the brother he hates, decked out in new threads and with his own secret service is so funny. the writers really are going to find a way to keep this man relevant no matter what lmao. because why is he even still there? i mean i know why from a casting perspective but story-wise, shit gets sillier every episode. also wish theyâd dropped the incredibly unserious case of the week and instead, split focus between hunting lena down and unravelling jamieâs backstory. because i was bored. interesting to be getting more answers on jamie and loved see margaret finally get to put her foot down, but because they dragged that mystery so long, im pretty much indifferent to the reveals. & now theyâre dangling this heatherlena thing in my face and i want answers. enough with the filler!
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all that being said about how great of a Margaret episode it was and how satisfying both the resolution and the emotional fall down for Margaret was, I'm wondering if the show might be heading towards writing her off the show at the end of the season
it's obviously just a theory, but they're in a great place now to wrap up her story over the next 4 episodes and give her a satisfying ending and exit, maybe leaving to reconnect with her children, try to make up for all that lost time (Darryl can go eat bricks, he's a jerk)
in a way, if the show gets cancelled, I'd almost like that to be the case, because we know there's a big cliffhanger waiting for us at the end of that season finale (jailbreak maybe?), so I wouldn't mind Margaret's story being well and properly wrapped up. if they do get renewed, I'd obviously love for her to be in season 3!
just a thought that's been going through my mind for a while and that, given where this episode now puts her at this stage in the season, is now back pretty loudly. not sure how likely it is, but I wouldn't be surprised about it if it were to happen. and while I obviously love Kelli and would love to keep seeing her on screen regularly, I also love a story that gets a planned and proper ending and so I think I'd be okay with that
I see Margaretâs story concluding this season as well, and also wouldnât mind that if it was done well. But I would want to see them actually address her husbandâs callousnessâI get that she was unravelling but he was ready to give up on her after only nine months of Jamie being gone which is crazy cruelâand see her get a loving reconciliation with her girls. Even if itâs brief. Also Margaret is a favourite of mine and I would really miss her and her Margaretvision. Itâs such a nice addition to the team and with everyone else having such specific personalities and skills, the dynamics would be so off without her.
calling it now, heatherlena is going to take gabi hostage soon because the way she was raging out when sir refused to dismiss gabi was is giving unstable & at her limit. her bitterness and rage is going to boil over and itâs going to be ugly.
i kneeeeeeewwww miss girl wasnât no gotdamn âheatherâ the second she stepped on the scene. with her overeager, falsely ingratiating lame ass! because that weirdo behaviour was giving alienâs first day of earth aka, normal evans family vibes lmao. there was nothing natural or organic about hers and anyone elseâs interactions (except the resentment she showed her brother) and finally the jig is up! and hopefully so is her lifespan â¤ď¸ like sheâs sexy and savre is killing this role but lena?? nasty and hateful and needs to go asap.
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If I suspended my belief about Heather being Lena, her motivations wouldnât make sense. Because what do you mean Hugh stole the gun that you were shot with, and you hated Christian for that, but you see this as an opportunity for Hugh?
That doesnât wash lol
Thereâs no scenario where Heather isnât Lena and would be this invested in Hugh being redeemed. Blah blah blah glass ceiling. She just wants her brother to not be in jail anymore lol
im also gunning for her to be lena because nothing else makes sense. why write in a random lawyer who has so much animosity ďżź against the main character for seemingly no reason? her gleeful alliance with sir is way more than a career boostâsheâs fully revelling in the mess! had she been a regular whoâd worked the cops/m&a before and was known to be a menace, id get this plot and framing. but adding her rn and having her be such a major freak who is also not lena, would be lame. and annoyingly in tune with this show lol. im hoping they surprise me with common sense though.
heather LENAâs such a funny little freak. she intentionally positioned herself in the middle of gabiâs life for sir related reasons, clearly used trent for his connection to gabi (and a stray orgasm here and there #respect lol) and now, after the truth of her shitty intentions have been revealed, sheâs acting like sheâs the victim. like that whole conversation with trent about him not treating her the way he treats gabi was so silly because girl duh. sheâs been around for a month at most and during that month trent didnât hide that he was still in love with gabi. heather herself said it multiple times. and now sheâs acting bewildered lol. same with that disrespectful ass conversation with gabi. heather was playing in her face and sheâs lucky gabiâs patient because someone else wouldâve attacked her. and it wouldâve been justified because she deserved a couple of slaps for real. & just like her brother client, she has the nerve to act shocked when the people she fucks over donât want anything to do with her twisted ass. she & sir are truly two demented peas in a rotten pod.
