Juni ; She/her
hello! my name is junipermoth/juni.
this is my sideblog for hazbin hotel/helluva boss critiques and rewrites/reimaginings of said shows.
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juni; she/her
hello! this is my helluvaverse critique/rewrite blog. please note that while i do not support vivziepop, this is NOT a hate blog or anything like that. this also is not a roleplay blog!
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Vaggie always prioritizes the job she's assigned to, a manager at heart, she finds a way to maximize efficiency even if it's just walking to the kitchen or brushing her teeth. She enjoys streamlining tasks and presenting reports, but she isn't a leader, or a creative for that matter. The complete opposite of hell's princess. ↓↓↓
Charlie is always buzzing with new ideas to run through her, so Vaggie has an outlet and is never bored! Her best friend is always so welcoming, generous and affectionate with her, she decided to focus all her attention towards helping her hotel to try and repay her any way she can.
Hopefully that way she can not only return the kindness she received, but atone for all the lives she erased. She has to make that hotel successful, she doesn't deserve rest or indulgence. Even if Charlie's many pleas are starting to sway her... She doesn't deserve to be in love yet.
🗡️🦋 Vaggie + Alastor 🦌🥩
She sees Alastor for the danger he is, projecting all her prejudice for sinners on him, and he doesn't seem interested in proving her wrong. Both of them take out their individual frustrations onto one another when interacting, and it sure seems like they bring out the worst in each other.
Maybe one day all the hostility will loop back to vulnerability. For who, though, it's hard to say.
In this ver, Vaggie was the one to seek out a way to defend the hotel, and makes a deal with Alastor. In exchange for arranging a meeting with the mysterious weapons dealer, there would be a moment in time when she has to stand down and not interfere with his plans. No matter if Charlie is involved or not.
🗡️🦋 Vaggie + The Carmines 🌆🔪
The exorcist fell because she spared a sinner, but that sinner wasn't just anybody, but Carmilla Carmine's youngest daughter. She was the one who witnessed Vaggie be maimed and the first to bring up the angelic steel hypothesis to her mother. Nowadays she just has a biiiig crush on her.
Carmilla feels indebted, which is why she was willing to hear her out at all, but still wanted to test her motives through a fight. When they were sparring, she saw a lot of drive, ambition, and personal similarities in her, which swung her decision at the end.
After the weapons debacle, she treats Vaggie like an adopted daughter, inviting her to events and dinners and overall accepting her into the family. Since angels don't have culture like humans do, she began to absorb the Carmines' spanish heritage, often expressing it through cursing, but she's learning!
🗡️🦋 Vaggie + Lute🪽🔪
All the exorcists were created specifically for the exterminations, and Vaggie was the strongest and fastest, making her captain and representative of the military branch(Adam has nothing to to with the actual fighting) Her and Lute were part of a trio of childhood friends who fell apart after Vaggie's fall.
Although Lute knew she could turn a blind eye and they'd both walk away unscathed, she decided to use her righteousness as an excuse to get rid of her for good, due to her ego, jealously, and confusing personal feelings. She ended up captain of the exorcists, making their third friend grow distant untill that same friend would end up on hell soil, her head severed from her body and her name plastered all over classified documents.
Only Lute is now left, bitter, hateful, and knowing that everything was her fault. But it wasn't her breaking their friendship, it was her sacrificing her dearest friend in the name of what's right. She has stopped consulting the archangels and their vague, confusing, meaningless rules. From now on, vengeance is law.
like i dont get it is it so hard to have blitz at least. at Least think stolas is pretty or something. like. that cant be that difficult. he fucks w everybody. ... like at least have there be sexual attraction there that you dont have to read between lines to get. like. a sexual remark or compliment on his appearance wouldnt hurt. like is it that hard. to make it just a Little Bit less coersive-y
also after a reblog on one of my posts i also want to talk about adam and lute. oooohhhh adam and lute. as someone who loves an antagonistic duo they make me SO MAD!!!
lute. ohhhh lute. no matter what happens the writers will never make me hate you because despite being one-note (like many other characters in the show. cough) she has SO MUCH POTENTIAL. she was literally made for war in adam's army, taught to hate the demons and all they stood for. she is harsh and even draconic to her battle sisters, weeding out weakness in the ranks. she is loyal to adam and heaven, and is willing to sacrifice anything, anyONE, to ensure heaven is secure and safe. it fustrates me so much how shes pushed aside when she easily could have either replaced adam in story purpose. also its an absolute crime she was sidelined in season 2 when gravity was such a deliciously forboding song. are you seriously saying that all she got to do was just throw vaggie around and then abel used the power of misogyny to tell her to go away??? AGGHHH IT DRIVES ME INSANEEEE!!!
and adam. ooooohhh adam. hazbin adam in characterization is both a predictable but ridiculous choice. i actually dont mind him being prideful of being the first man who is responsible for humanity, but his desire to control women (i.e. the exorcists) could have been handled way better if that was the angle the writers wanted. because honestly? i can see the vision! lilith refused him, eve was betrayed and is now who knows where, and he has a whole army of predominately if not entirely woman soldiers. it could have been an interesting take on the first man and how he feels about that title but instead we get the most. juvenile way of exploring that idea. and his presence doesnt even feel that impactful anymore because of how season 1 ends. i feel season 1 really suffered for exploring heaven so early when that could have been tackled in season 2 for at least a breather
got some thoughts running around in the noggin this night. mostly thinking about charlie and how woeful it is she like... struggles as a character. its hard to explain but i just cant stand how she constantly makes mistakes but never really learns from them. i dont mind characters who take time to really understand how to grow from bad choices theyve made but i think it just feels... superficial? agitating? in charlie's context. i also think it annoys me b/c of how the show goes about making her repeat the error of her ways in the most hamfisted way possible. it just doesnt add up right in my head... which majorly sucks because i admittedly like charlie as a character, i enjoy a character who is an optimist in the best and worst application of the word, but shes just... written SO infuriatingly sometimes oh my dog. will add more to this if i can think of anything, just getting some of my thoughts down and out
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idle thought, but i think i'll name my reimagining series "the infernal tragedy", a play on dantes inferno being called "the divine comedy". after some cursory research, a comedy in more archaic terms means a story ending more joyously than a tragedy, tragedies of which typically ending in prrrretty much everyone dying. tragedies touch on the deep miseries and downfalls of humanity... fitting!
i also think i will base my story, in tone, off of fear and hunger and gothic literature. it still will feature comedic elements but like... more dark humor or something. it'll be more serious and miserable in atmosphere but guys.... there is hope... ok .... 👍
itching to do some character reimaginings today... namely stella and by proxy octavia, a sprinkle of stolas, the morningstars, emily, uhhh and probably some others im forgetting but will eventually remember LOL... more likely than not i'll do stella first because i have. many things i want to say about her canon depiction and many things i want to explore when it comes to reimagining her. may or may not also include a reimagined design!
getting back into the blogging swing of things... want to ramble about some brief reimagining ideas for hazbin and helluva. not really concrete or anything im just spitballing and improvising hehe
everything is below the read more!
i think if i were to reimagine both shows, i'd have to start with the worldbuilding as an absolute whole; i find it easier to start with that then the characters, pluuuuuss it makes things feel more intertwined between both stories/worlds
i want to focus primarily on hell before even starting on heaven, just to get a basic feel of that world before i tackle anything beyond that LOL
uhhh for the most part the story of how hell came to be is perhaps in line with the show (lucifer and lilith are responsible for creating hell), but instead of lucifer being a misunderstood de facto good guy, he was misunderstood in his reasons for creating things. in most biblical mythos, lucifer was banished and punished for trying to usurp god. he sought to become god, iirc because he wanted to be worshiped and praised. this pride was ultimately his undoing!
i like to think lucifer's creations were his attempts at creating his own adam and eve, his own beings to praise and revere him. the elder angels (who.. i assume in canon are like.. archangels or seraphim or something idk) tried to discourage him from this, even warning god of such things, but ultimately lucifer was god's favorite angel. i can see this being very similar to what happened in warhammer 40k with the horus heresay, where horus was the emperor's favorite son but ultimately caused the worst betrayal to the galaxy. (perhaps thats what such a story is based on? hehe but this is a hazbin blog not a warhammer blog...)
lucifer would go on to amass supporters for his coup of the heavenly 'throne', the angels in support of him going on to become the ars goetia upon their fall. lucifer's fall was both monumental but unceremonious. biblical scripture describe lucifer's fall as like "lightning", preceded by a battle between lucifer and his allies and micheal and his heavenly forces.
when lucifer and his allies fell into the pits of the earth, from the light of heaven, i can easily see their heavenly forms twisting from the darkness within them and around them. the most notable of his supporters, the ars goetia and the demonic princes of sin, bore the most terrible forms...
so! now i ponder when the hierarchy comes into place. i feel it came into being perhaps a decade or even a century following the fallen angels roaming the underworld. in my mind time is very difficult to discern both in heaven and in hell; it could have been a year or it could have been eons- nobody can exactly tell... anyhow, the hierarchy was set in place either by the ars goetia and lucifer, a way to promote power to lucifer. those most loyal to him (i.e those who sucked up to him the most) would be rewarded with power and influence
now, powerscaling... itd be easy to say that magic is a main factor of determining a demon's power, but i feel influence and societal/political power also plays into that, granting a demon tangible power... still working on that though, will iron out the details later
the overall hierarchy is as follows:
Lucifer
The Demonic Princes (Beelzebub, Satan, Mammon, etc)
The Ars Goetia
Hellborn
Sinners
in my mind's eye, i imagine there are inner-hierarchies between the established five, a pecking order that suppresses certain people from getting "too far ahead". if heaven represents harmony, peace, and tranquility, then hell represents oppression, misery, and chaos. both forces become interwoven in the cosmic powers or uhh something like that LOL...
i'd write more but i fear i'd be rambling a little too much.. these ideals will be refined later, hopefully not too later though i hope! i love worldbuilding and refining concepts, so with this bit of writing established i hope to get my ideas for the characters off their feet :]
so after learning more about the logistic's of hazbin hotel's peculiar plot (this article explains a lot) (shout out to @/halfway-house-in-hell !!), i hope with season 3 the plot will make a bit more sense especially since they can finally focus on lilith; hopefully the story focuses on her front and center because a lot of people have been itching to really learn what her deal is, as am i! for as much as i have problems with the show, its writing, and its creator, i cant help but be curious about what the story is trying to tell... idk where im going with this, just wanted to get my thoughts out on proverbial paper hehe ... hoping to post more reimagining stuff too, mostly focusing on hazbin with maybe a sprinkle of helluva boss
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The point behind this design was for her to look more friendly. You may/may not get all of that from someone who is mostly red and white with a bit of pale yellow /silly
Yeah some of the colors look like mcdonalds if you thought mcdonalds syfm no you did not. /silly
made her fat because the only fat characters in the hellaverse are assholes(?) and i wanted a nice fat character. also mostly because i like fat chicks + vaggie has something to grab. you cant grab whats not there /JOKEJOKE
breasting boobily because every single female character, including her, that i've seen has below C or DD tits. NOT THAT THATS BAD OR ANYTHING i just wanted to see what bigger boobs would look like on her and also i js like big tits
Horns are meant to resemble a goat since goats are sometimes associated with hell i think(or, i guess more commonly, satanism cuz baphomet)
i wanted to draw goat/lamb ears (on the sides of the head, not on top) but i didn't really want to because of the horns, so i set them on top. now she looks like a really red uma
was going to settle on the average thin demon tail but i was like "make it thick actually" so i did and added a "lace" pattern on top.
she can transform her legs to goat legs or regular human legs on command, her lower legs are just not shown here
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I just realized… we’re supposed to see Vox as a victim for how Alastor treated him by rejecting him romantically… but also Vox is racist… and alastor is black… what are you trying to say here Hazbin?
To be fair to the show and its writer… the answer is nothing. Vox is racist because racism is funny and he’s a victim of Al because Yaoi, and none of this was actually thought through.
where tf is that flaming gif that says I DONT SUPPORT VIVZIEPOP i cant find it anywhere. w/e.... buncha writing below the cut! design philosophy, rewritten lore, what fun! ^_^
Charlie Lightbringer (she/they)
or flamebearer? wobbly hand gesture. not entirely sold on her surname quite yet!
meant to resemble a porcelain doll combined with ungulate (sheep, goat, etc) features with some demonic influences. i wanted to try designing hazbin characters canon-adjacent with my own influence; these designs are very experimental!
gave her she/they pronouns because it just spoke to me. in world, people probably default to calling her "she", but she also finds being called "they" agreeable!
more mature in character despite her cutesy appearance. shes also more calculating than she lets on; being ~200 years old, she's had centuries to learn and grow. i find canon ignoring that a massive disservice... i get she was raised sheltered but cmon now.
speaking of sheltered! for the first years of their life (which.. by our standards would be ~20 years, hell time is wonky), they spent much of it in the security of the royal family's estate and social circles. they only really began to branch out following an event with their ex-betrothed, seviathan. (following in stead of lucifer and lilith, powerful demons betroth themselves and their young)
as for their family, i imagine lilith was more authoritative than lucifer, who was more permissive with them. charlie was given all the delights a young demon heir could want, but lucifer's negligent rule and lilith being forced to pick up her husband's slack no doubt led to unrest within the royal house. much like her mother, i can see charlie trying to maintain the family's image.
before her "happy hotel" project, i like to think charlie was respected a bit more by hell's hellborn- especially the noble caste and the embodiments of the sins. among the sinners though, she was VERY unpopular.
im still trying to figure out the logistics, but charlie's "happy hotel" project is less of a redemption project, and more her trying to experiment with bringing paradise to hell. tales of her father's attempt to usurp god led her to discover stories of the garden of eden. she was enchanted by it, and now seeks to bring it to hell. most of hell brush the project off as just a passing fascination.
charlie recruits both sinners AND hellborn (because if she wants to help hell youd think she'd care about both LOL) into her project. most just take it as a means to mooch off of them, granted its very easy room and board, and charlie doesnt appear to have much of a problem with it. (she does. but, like always, they simply grin and bear it.)
also adding on here that charlie and vaggie ARE NOT!!! dating in my rewrite. maybe they could in future installments, but they dont start off romantically involved. charlie is very focused on her project at the moment, and vaggie is.. vaggie. (i promise i'll give her a new name i just gotta search for one....)
also some minor miscellaneous notes:
betrothals in hell are considered an antiquated but useful practice. lilith and lucifer didn't form their union out of complete love; they care about each other sure, but their unholy matrimony was mostly used to have a united front (and to bastardize the sanctity of marriage in heaven). other noble demons saw this as a means of gaining influence and strength, so betrothals became commonplace enough to still be employed in hell. marriage is more uncommon; betrothals are recognized as like.. more "legally" binding (hell in my rewrite focuses a lot of suffering through bureaucracy, so law and justice exists, albeit.. very flawed), marriage is seen more as amusement, but the vows within mean a lot to some demons
seviathan is charlie's ex-betrothed: their parents wanted to marry them more-so because seviathan's family thought itd be a massive benefit to marry into hell's royal family. their relationship was short-lived and very awkward, with a mutual break-up ensuing. charlie's parents don't hold this against her at all, lilith because.. shes lilith LOL. and lucifer because he never really saw seviathan's family as equal to his... he was just willing to entertain the idea, tbh
EDIT:
oh man completely forgot but!! i also made her pink because a) i associate pink with compassion, love, and joy and b) because i liked the idea of her being a pink lady apple in terms of like. apple imagery LOL. the lightbringers love their apples ... #myforbiddenfruit
EDIT 2:
also! when i said "vaggie is... vaggie" i mean it in the sense that in my rewrite she has... Issues. lots of issues. i want the characters in this rewrite to be able to work through their traumas and vices before pairing them up. i may let them be romantically intertwined beeefore all that, but like. idk. hopefully its clear what im tryna say /lh