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Happy Pride Month from my Angel Dust !!!!! I was going for Drag Queen/Carnival/Vegas showgirl vibes for his look. I also wanted to give off peacock vibes for the MLM Pride flagâs palette, fits his sense of flair, and for a peacock jumping spider reference!đŚđˇď¸ Oh & Angelâs fan batons, the symbol is the apple eye(for my Hell Hotel Key symbol)
I added a lot of green & spade symbols for a certain feline he has feelings forđââŹđ°â ď¸ If he was to be on his own float, itâd be a giant version of Fat Nuggets/like Blitzâs being a horse, with spiderweb motifs. đˇđđˇď¸đ¸ď¸
Also, I def see him want to share his float with OG Angel Dust and have a fun party with himđ I also can see him have the real versions of their Fat Nuggets with them, dolled up for the Parade as wellđđđđđ
What do u think? How would u want Angel or the others to dress for the Pride Parade? What kinda float would u want them to be on? Iâd love to knowđ
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I've seen a lot of talk of why Alastor was so popular in the first place and I can answer the question as someone who was back in 2019 when the pilot dropped.
It was because of the things we were promised with Alastor.
Sure, his design was fuckass but his personality was so interesting and being the supposed foil to Charlie's ideas drew us in. On top of a lot of the information and a prequel comic to Hazbin. It was said that Alastor had morals, he treated the women with more respect, it was heavily implied that his mother was abused by his father, and does NOT like abusers. He literally killed that pig butcher guy trying to kill that purple lamb gal, literally eating him. It's clear Alastor DID NOT like misogynists.
He also had a weird moral code of he wouldn't chase after someone if they got away from him. On top of the fact he was in contrast with Charlie's ideals and that he would've been the big boss to "can sinners be truly redeemed?" because while Alastor did a lot bad, knows he's bad, but there was still positive qualities to him.
But the fact of that matter is... The writers of Hazbin took this and LITERALLY put it on Vox. The fight against Charlie's ideals and him literally saying: "Do you think *I* could be redeemed?" that was quite literally supposed to be Alastor's moment. Him being the foil to Charlie's ideals and wanting to be a passive roadblock to her problems.
They gave the intrigue to a white, abusive, racist, cult leader instead of the black creole man whom they've made into a sanitized version of himself. Pilot!Alastor I'm so sorry king. THAT'S why Alastor was so beloved back then.
She literally gave everything interesting about Alastor to a white man who basically took over his position.
looking back on the hazbin pilot and the alastor we were promised back then is LEAGUES better than what we have now. they butchered his character all of 5 minutes into the first episode with him chickenscratching "HAHA I MADE THIS ! -> " in the margins of that drawing from the tv advert. its like, they don't understand that sometimes,, having a character be stupid and crass just ruins their whole deal from the get-go. it's lazy as hell writing and it pisses me off bc it is truly. not that difficult. to simply not do that.
it would also definitely be worth looking into *when* spindlehorse confirmed alastor was creole and seeing if that coincides with when his character began to be butchered. it's always a really interesting character choice to me when an awful person has a strict moral code they follow - who do they kill, why, ect. shame literally none of that was in the show
The issue was using voodoo in the first place! Voodoo is demonized by people, represented in media as evil and harmful.
Many people had pointed out, but out of touch others just said he's white he can't do voodoo
Because this is a show about hell, where evil people go.
You have a demon that does voodoo, that actively is doing voodoo to harm others.
This is the cultural appropriation. This is the harmful representation.
ok this might be partially my fault for not clarifying in the original post BUT - if you are talking about alastor, which i assume you are because i do not remember making any of my other rewritten characters practice voodoo - my alastor doesn't practice voodoo at all. its just been removed from his character full stop. if this is actually about something else that i just forgot abt lmk and ill make sure to fix it
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The Hazbin Hotel fandom is guilty of cultural appropriation in regard to handling Alastorâs Louisianan-Creole culture and his characterisation. Albeit Alastor has very little compelling characterisation to begin with.
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How many times does Alastor mention jambalaya and his appreciation for the dish? Once. Barely even once - at the very end of the pilot episode that is barely considered canon anymore due to the official show contradicting established ideas from the pilot [ Eg. Lucifer Morningstarâs characterisation ].
It should also be acknowledged that Vivsiepop had to change Alastor to identify as a Creole man because she was receiving backlash for his usage of voodoo magic, which I think should be explored more rather than flashy displays of nothing in his battles [ such as against Adam in Season 1, or The Vâs in Season 2 ]
Due to the ashy complexions of her two explicitly black/mixed characters, the mention of jambalaya mustâve been to reference his culture more directly. However, because of this, a particular side of the fandom [ specifically on TikTok ] has done nothing but base his character around this one aspect of his dialogue.
Alastor, and other characters like him, should not be reduced down to a single cultural-characteristic of âenjoying and only talking about this foodâ. I believe that this wouldnât be avoidable if the script was changed to say another dish. The fandom would still find a way to make his personality revolve around their own limited understanding of creole culture;
influencing this representation to be used in the fan baseâs discussions of Alastor and potentially other fandoms [ not to the same extent, but one character I can think of is Hajime Hinata from Danganronpa 2 and the fandomâs obsession with him and orange juice. Note that this is not to the same extent and should not be treated as a similarity or a direct comparison, but rather as an acknowledgement of fandom and how they treat their characters from my own experience ]
Overall, Vivsiepop and the Hazbin Hotel fandom should be doing more to represent Alastorâs culture to the extent that it isnât forced but also not lazy and rushed.
as much as I sympathize with Angel & agree Charlie messed up with him, and the way she went about everything was wrong. Realistically Angel, along with everyone else honestly shouldâve considered the possibility of needing to address and open up about what you did to be condemned to Hell to begin with in order to redeem. That shouldnât be on just Charlie.
which leads me to my second thing, everyone really recently just started getting more invested and open to the hotel idea. Everyone before was etheir doing it for their own goals, forced to or were in a tight spot. And because of that, no one really asked her any questions, checked what she had planned, and when a problem did occur, while they would call her out, didnât get into things further to make sure things were understood. Topped with recent traumatic experiences from S1 & beign told of Sir Pâs redemption on the spot, Charlieâs behavior didnât get better until they had to push back even more, and the situation getting much worse.
Not to mention, with her being Princess of Hell, Iâm surprised a lot of the gang werenât more curious about her own understanding of right & wrong, and just people in general. That alone about her isnât really taken into consideration by those around her in how thatâd affect her potentially negatively. Itâs focused on connections, authority, which is sued but always executed badly because itâs not just Charlie thatâs messing up as royal, if anything sheâs reflecting off a severely flawed/broken system. Weâve seen HB and how there structure and royalty act, she did NOT have alot of good role models, and thatâs not even going into the questionable stuff implied about Lilith. Weâve seen Charlie worry about being too mean using her authority, just what did she see in other authority figures and Lilith, whoâs she trying to simulate into believing that?
So much of her stuff isnât taken seriously, including when she severely messes up. And while I can get them struggle to empathize or take her seriously with how she acts, her actions should be taken more seriously. The way she acts and does, shows a sign of someone who isnât doing well themselves, and shouldnât be left alone in a high power situation. So much of her pain and negative feelings are seen usually comical by others like her mourning of Sir P, or come off as self-centeredâŚ.even when she has some reasons to feel hurt. Like being lied to, let down by someone who still neglected her, her loved ones going behind her back and making the same mistakes they complained about her doing. Lucifer was motivated by besting Al, who he drove away which isnât brought up but Charlie thinks is all her faultâŚ.and in the end, got more of the sympathy & Charlie left with more for he scorn. For crying out loud, during the rally, Lucifer was tip toeing away & tried to trick Charlie into thinking sheâs was having a dream, leaving her to deal with what he tried with Vox.
Vaggi while supporting Charlie, she was still distant with the sinners & just started getting closer/more personally involved because Charlie wasnât in the place to, was keeping a big secret from Charlie & only just started getting more assertive to her and pushing back. And I imagine she may have thought about needing to address pasts but because of her own, mightâve avoided bringing it up/avoided thinking about that until it came up. At the very least, itâs def concerning she didnât consider that herself.
Iâm not saying I blame them for her actions/behavior or that Charlie isnât responsible for her mistakes. but itâs important to consider all the factors. If they had been asking questions sooner to make her re-evaluate sooner, been more firm with boundaries and weight of actions as well as get to know her more and her issues. That mightâve helped things from escalating sooner. At the very least, it wouldâve been good for them all, especially Charlie. Would it have been easy, porbaly not. But none of this redemption stuff is meant to be.
I also Imagien S3 is going to be going into some critical issues with Lucifer and Lilith, specifically how they raised Charlie, leading the gang to realize there was a lot more going on with Charlie than they realized and mightâve unintentionally overlooked some serious underlying issues. With how much s2 was about Charlieâs mistakes, I hope s3 goes into everyone elseâs.
I have a post talking more into Charlieâs issues.
What do u think? Iâd love to knowđ
đŹ 0  đ 4  â¤ď¸ 22 ¡ As frustrating as Charlie can be with her actions and behavior, part of me hopes/wishes it could be tied to her neglect/ab
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As frustrating as Charlie can be with her actions and behavior, part of me hopes/wishes it could be tied to her neglect/abandonment issues.
Based on some things Iâve been searching on, a lot of her issues and behaviour could be a result of being abandoned and neglected during those 7 years. Not just simply her pride and desire to see her mom getting out of hand. Not to mention with the reveal the Exterminations only happened 7 yearsâŚ.the time of her parents divorce and mother leaving her and dad fallign apartâŚ.that probably had a severe effect on her mental health, especially at such a young age. That emo picture of Charlie awhile back seems to imply sheâs no longer 200 years old and might be regular aged.
Since shes meant to be in her 20's now, then that means all that stuff could've happened before she even turned 18...
Iâm not saying I donât think there were some writing flaws, nor should her mistakes be excused by her potential trauma. But at the same time I think Charlie could show someone with unresolved trauma. Alot of the kinda trauma Charlie coudlve experienced couldve effected her understanding of right and wrong, emotional regulation and even functioning skills. And even alot of her negative qualities and actions could stem from the impact of said trauma.
Not to mention with the tidbits of what we've seen from Lucifers personality along with the implied stuff from Lilith along with how we've seen Hell royalty operate in HB...Charlie probably didnt grow up with the best role models on how to use her authority. With the way Charlie is, she doesn't seem like she was too prepared for Hell, especially as a Princess.
Imagine the reaction the gang would have, reazlint that alot of Charlie's selfish moments that hurt them and made them frustrated and angry with her....were signs/cries that she needed help herself. It'd make them have to reflect on their own behavior and actions towards her, realizing they didnt take her issues as seriously as they should've and could've had a proper intervention sooner. Good chance everything that happened in S1 worsened her trauma, hence why she didnt seem to have learned from her past mistakes as much as prople expected.
Would it have been easy? NO! Would it have been the right thing to do and show they care and want serious change? YES!
There's also the biological factors that come with being not just the Princess of PRIDE, the worst sin, but being technically half human(her mom's side/ and demon/angel could have an effect on her biological/psychological chemistry.
Id love to see how Lucifer would react, realizing that alot of his daughter's issues, including her keeping distance from him and being frustrated from him...actually came from his own actions or rather inaction. Along with the impact of Lilith's actions. That she wasnt just overreacting to him making mistakes and not supporting the sinners but....failed to really be there that didnt hurt her. And good chance the way she tries to help/show she cares about others could be a mix of how shes been shown care and her own attempts to negate past things that hurt her. Only to replicate and make new mistakesđ
She could be an allegorical character of what happens when you dont confront your issues and inner demons....they'll get worse and continually consume you until.... And if the gang dont want to end up in the same boat, they need to confront their own as well.
What do u think? What kind of stuff do you think will be explored with Charlie? Id love to knowđ
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