⨠any pronouns + prefer they/them ⨠call me J/jay/any name with jay idrc ^w^ ⨠just a bi nb trying to figure out their gender with mogai labels ;w; ⨠header by gee-makes-flags â¨âđđ
â hi! my name is J, im genderfluix, dialian, transmasc, and this is a mogai/questioning blog where i rb all kinds of gender stuff, i like all things spacey and weird!
â i also have requests open atm!
â i do flag combos (where flags are placed side by side or placed in shapes on top of each other) flag mashups (mixing flag colors) and making high def versions of flags!
â plz dont interact if you break my dni (reusing my dni from djmayday, my main acc)
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Is there a term for connecting with certain identities but not identifying as them? Bc I feel a connection with lesbian, genderfluid, female, and panromantic, bc they're all ones I've identified as in the past and they're still a big part of my identity, despite me not identifying as them anymore.
Like for example I'll include myself mentally as a part of the lesbian community, and if I read a post that talks about lesbians I'll include myself, but I don't identify as a lesbian and people referring to me as such feels wrong, it's just because I feel as strong connection to it because of the time I spent identifying as it and because I guess it technically still fits? I just don't feel right identifying as it anymore, and I've found a label I feel more comfortable in.
im not sure ive heard of a term like that, but im sure i/someone can coin it if you want since ngl i relate to that very much !
im sorry that i cant be of more help atm, ill keep on the lookout for something like it but for now maybe some blogs like @gender-archival @mogai-monarchs @imoga-pride or @beyond-mogai-pride-flags might have a term similar to that?
emigender/solverigender: having a loose or weak connection to a gender or certain qualities.
(gender)prox: a gender that is very near a given gender, but is not strictly so; identifying with certain aspects of a given gender, but not all aspects
(gender)-proximal: a term made to include: [gender]; people who are not necessarily/fully/always [gender] but experience connection to [gender]hood but not [gender]ness.
offgender: a gender in which someone feels most closely represented by a certain gender, but is not that gender.
paragender: a gender in which one is mostly a given gender, but not entirely due to being slightly another gender.
perigender: identifying with a gender, but not as that gender.
prox-/jux- (circabinary or proximal identities): genders and gender expressions that are similar to, or derived from, certain genders.
flex-: a modifier of an orientation term meant to signify that your orientation is somewhat divergent from the usual definition or use of the term, or that it doesnât exactly fit but it fits more than any other current term.
demigenders are sometimes defined as having a partial connection to a given genders, instead of being partially those genders. [gender] by proxy could also work, but I'm not sure. while for lesbian/gay/homo specifically, there's paraidem- (paraidemsexual, paraidemromanticâŚ).
I smalled the texts because I think you can also use those normal sized affixes, such as proxidentities, emiorientation, para-identification⌠Just as disidentification and postorientation are used. Also -prox-/proxi(mo)- is an existing/legit word root. -Ap
Is there a term for connecting with certain identities but not identifying as them? Bc I feel a connection with lesbian, genderfluid, female, and panromantic, bc they're all ones I've identified as in the past and they're still a big part of my identity, despite me not identifying as them anymore.
Like for example I'll include myself mentally as a part of the lesbian community, and if I read a post that talks about lesbians I'll include myself, but I don't identify as a lesbian and people referring to me as such feels wrong, it's just because I feel as strong connection to it because of the time I spent identifying as it and because I guess it technically still fits? I just don't feel right identifying as it anymore, and I've found a label I feel more comfortable in.
im not sure ive heard of a term like that, but im sure i/someone can coin it if you want since ngl i relate to that very much !
im sorry that i cant be of more help atm, ill keep on the lookout for something like it but for now maybe some blogs like @gender-archival @mogai-monarchs @imoga-pride or @beyond-mogai-pride-flags might have a term similar to that?
DEFINITION;
Contrafem- A feminine-aligned person who uses traditionally masculine terms to refer to themselves (boy, husband, king, etc.)
Contramasc- A masculine-aligned person who uses traditionally feminine terms to refer to themselves (girl, wife, queen, etc.)
NOTES;
- As pronouns =/= gender, some contrafem people may still use she/her pronouns & some contramasc people may still use he/him pronouns
- Even with the description, some people of each gender may have a couple terms they could change (Ex. Contrafem people being okay with all traditionally masculine terms besides father or son)
ORIGIN;
- âContra-â comes from the Latin word for opposite âcontrariumâ
-Â â-femâ & âmascâ come from the terms feminine & masculine
- The pink on the contrafem flag and the blue on the contramasc flagâs are self explanatory, as pink/blue are the traditional colours for female/male presenting
you may not have actually reblogged anything from them - i received the same warning and i havenât reblogged any of their posts. iâm pretty sure anon is just letting mogai blogs know about the situation!
ah got it! ill take another quick look just in case i did, but ill make sure not to rb from them in the future too :3
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be careful, kindnessflags is a otherkin gatekeeper!!! they invaildate chosenkin, and say our expeinces and Identites aren't vaild, hurting otherkin somehow, and ey forces us to use different labels!!!
idk enough abt the otherkin community/culture to make comment on this, but could someone point me to the post anon is talking abt so i can delete/tag it? (tumblrs search is as useful as ever ~x~;;;; )
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torrentcoric / piracycoric / torrentpiracycoric gender concept idea becuz of hyperfixation, but also cuz it feels right for me!
and since first of all i havent actually seen torrentcore or piracycore (thats not related to like. actual pirates) ive decided to coin that also
piracy -core is aesthetics revolving around the concept of pirating software, movies, music, literature, etc, and can share parts of other aesthetics like glitches/computers/and coding. the key part of this aesthetic being what most that are new in piracy will run into; malware/glitches, odd modification of what they want, and bad quality, sometimes all wrapped into one
you can add something to piracycore to make it specific like animepiracy, which would make the anime aesthetic more glitchy/unstable, badly translated, etc
torrentcore would be the same but with more of a focus on seeders/leechers
onto the actual gender!
torrent / piracycoric - a gender based off piracycore; becuz of its aesthetic, the gender could potentially feel like a copy of another thats been modified to gain its full potential, or that its full of malware and feels âillegalâ
can be combined with other terms by adding piracy/pirated to it, whichever you liked more: ex: i would be a piracy/pirated boy
what do yall think? id love flag/def suggestions!
tags for boosting, let me know if u dont want me to tag u! : @mogaicore @mogai-help @imoga-pride @neogenders @genderqueer-dream  @mogai-monarchs
torrentcoric / piracycoric / torrentpiracycoric gender concept idea becuz of hyperfixation, but also cuz it feels right for me!
and since first of all i havent actually seen torrentcore or piracycore (thats not related to like. actual pirates) ive decided to coin that also
piracy -core is aesthetics revolving around the concept of pirating software, movies, music, literature, etc, and can share parts of other aesthetics like glitches/computers/and coding. the key part of this aesthetic being what most that are new in piracy will run into; malware/glitches, odd modification of what they want, and bad quality, sometimes all wrapped into one
you can add something to piracycore to make it specific like animepiracy, which would make the anime aesthetic more glitchy/unstable, badly translated, etc
torrentcore would be the same but with more of a focus on seeders/leechers
onto the actual gender!
torrent / piracycoric - a gender based off piracycore; becuz of its aesthetic, the gender could potentially feel like a copy of another thats been modified to gain its full potential, or that its full of malware and feels âillegalâ
can be combined with other terms by adding piracy/pirated to it, whichever you liked more: ex: i would be a piracy/pirated boy
what do yall think? id love flag/def suggestions!
tags for boosting, let me know if u dont want me to tag u! : @mogaicore @mogai-help @imoga-pride @neogenders @genderqueer-dream  @mogai-monarchs
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I had a handful, a very small handful but more than two, responses in the Gender Census feedback box telling me that fae/faer pronouns are appropriative. The reasons didnât always agree, and the culture that was being appropriated wasnât always the same, but hereâs a selection of quotes:
âFae pronouns are cultural appropriation and are harmful to useâ - UK, age 11-15
âIâm not a person who practices pagan holidays but, my understanding is that pronouns like fae/faeself are harmful because the fae are real to pagans and is like using Jesus/jesuself as pronounsâ - UK, age 11-15
âI know youâve probably heard this a million times, so has everyone on the internet, but the âmere existenceââof the fae pronoun feels really uncomfortable for some of us. Iâm personally not against neopronouns like xe/xim, er/em and the like, I am a pagan but apart from the, imo most important, reasoning of that pronoun being immensely disrespectful, I worry as an nb about people who banalize the usage of pronouns â'for funâ, and Iâm quoting what some people have told me.â - Spain, 16-20
âI donât agree with fae/deity pronouns just from a pagan perspective itâs very disrespectful to the cultures they come from. Like Fae are a legit thing in many cultures and they hate with a fiery passion mortal humans calling themselves Fae to the point of harming/cursing the people who do itâ - USA, age 16-20
âonly celtic people can use far/ faers otherwise itâs cultural appropriation, many celts have said this and told me thisâ - USA, age 16-20
So thatâs:
â Someone who doesnât say whether theyâre pagan or Celtic.
â Someone who definitely isnât pagan.
â Someone who is pagan.
â Someone who doesnât say whether theyâre pagan or Celtic.
â Someone who doesnât say whether theyâre pagan or Celtic.
So, just to disclose some bias up-front, I am English so Iâm not Celtic, but I do live in Wales so I am surrounded by Celts. The bit of Wales that I live in is so beautiful in such a way that when my French friend came to visit me she described it as fĂŠerique - like an enchanting, magical land, literally âfairylikeâ or thereabouts. Coincidentally I have also considered myself mostly pagan for over half of my life, and I canât definitively claim whether or not the Fae are âpart of paganismâ because paganism is so diverse and pickânâmix that it just doesnât work that way.
To me the idea that fae/faer pronouns would be offensive or culturally appropriative sounds absurd. But also, I am powered by curiosity, and have been wrong enough times in my life that I wanted to approach this in a neutral way with an open mind. Perhaps what I find out can be helpful to some people.
So since we only have information from one person who is definitely directly affected by any cultural appropriation that may be happening, the first thing I wanted to do was get some information from ideally a large number of people who are in the cultures being appropriated, and see what they think.
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WHAT I DID
First of all I put some polls up on Twitter and Mastodon, which have not closed yet, but theyâve got enough responses that i feel pretty okay about publishing the results.
I specified that I wanted to hear from nonbinary Celts and pagans, just so that the voters would be familiar with fae/faer pronouns. I asked the questions in a neutral way, i.e. âHow do you feel aboutâŚâ with âgood/neutral/badâ answer options, instead of something more leading like âIs this a load of rubbish?â or âare you super offended?â with âyes/noâ options. I provided a âsee resultsâ option, so that the poll results wouldnât be skewed as much by random people clicking any old answer to see the results. And I invited voters to express their opinions in replies.
Question #1:Â Nonbinary people of Celtic descent (Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, the Isle of Man, and Brittany), how do you feel about non-Celtic people using the neopronoun set fae/faer? [ Itâs good / No strong feelings/other / Itâs bad ]
Question #2: Nonbinary pagans, how do you feel about non-pagans using the neopronoun set fae/faer? [ Itâs good / No strong feelings/other / Itâs bad ]
The Twitter polls got over 700 responses each, and the Mastodon polls got over 100 responses each. With a little bit of spreadsheetery I removed the âN/Aâ responses to reverse engineer the number of people voting for each option, combined those numbers, and recalculated percentages.
Obviously this approach is not in the least scientific, but thankfully the results were unambiguous enough and the samples were big enough that I feel comfortable drawing conclusions.
Celts on fae/faer pronouns being used by non-Celts (343 voters):
Itâs good - 40.5%
No strong feelings/other - 45.9%
Itâs bad - 13.6%
Pagans on fae/faer pronouns being used by non-pagans (316 voters):
Itâs good - 44.3%
No strong feelings/other - 42.2%
Itâs bad - 13.5%
Hereâs how that looks as a graph:
The limitations of polls on these platforms means that we have no way to distinguish between people who have more complicated views (âotherâ) and people who have âno strong feelingsâ, so we canât really draw conclusions there. If we stick to just the pure positive and pure negative:
Celts were over three times as likely to feel positive about non-Celts using fae/faer pronouns than they were to feel negative.
Pagans were over three times as likely to feel positive about non-pagans using fae/faer pronouns than they were to feel negative.
So Celts and pagans are way more likely to feel actively good about someoneâs fae/faer pronouns, even when that person is not a Celt/pagan. Thatâs some strong evidence against the idea that fae/faer pronouns are appropriative, right there.
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CORRECTIONS
To be clear, I havenât done any research about the roots of fae/faer or the origins of the Fae and related beings, but my goal here was to get a sense of what Celts and pagans think and feel, rather than what an historian or anthropologist would say.
On the anti side, here were the replies that suggested fae/faer either is or might be inappropriate:
âI only worry that not everyone understands the origin of the word outside of modernized ideas of fairies.â - pagan
âAs a vaguely spiritual Whatever (Ireland), I think a mortal using âfaeâ as a pronoun/to refer to themselves is asking for a malicious and inventive fairy curse (on them, their families and possibly anyone in their vicinity, going by the traditions). I have not heard of this term before, so this is an immediate reaction from no background bar my cultural knowledge of sidhe/fae/term as culturally appropriate. My general approach is people can identify themselves as they want.â - Celtic
So weâve got a pagan whoâs wary that people who use fae/faer (and people in general) might not have a fully fleshed out idea of the Fae. And weâve got a Celt who doesnât mind people using fae/faer personally, but based on what they know of the Fae they wouldnât be surprised if the Fae got mad about it. No outright opposition, but a little concern.
There were not a lot of replies on the pro side, but not because people werenât into it, judging by the votes. There were a lot of âitâs more complicated than thatâ replies, many of which repeated others, so quotes wonât really work. Hereâs a summary of the Celtic bits:
âFaeâ is not a Celtic word, and Celts donât use it. It is French, or Anglo-French.
âFaeâ can refer to any number of stories/legends from a wide variety of cultures in Europe, not one cohesive concept.
There are many legends about fairy-like beings in Celtic mythologies, and there are many, many different names for them.
The Celts are not a monolith, theyâre a broad selection of cultures with various languages and various mythologies.
And the pagan bits:
Paganism is not closed or exclusive in any way. It might actually be more open than anything else, as âpaganâ is a sort of umbrella term for non-mainstream religions in some contexts. A closed culture would be a prerequisite for something to be considered âappropriatedâ from paganism.
From my own experience, pagans may or may not believe in the Fae, and within that group believers may or may not consider the Fae to be sacred and/or worthy of great respect. (Iâve certainly never met a pagan who worshipped the Fae, though I donât doubt that some do.)
And then we get into the accusations. đż
âthis issue wasnât started by Celtic groups or by people who know much about Celtic fae. It was started primarily by anti-neopronoun exclusionist pagans on TikTok.â
â[Iâm] literally Scottish [âŚ] and itâs not appropriative in the least and honestly to suggest as such is massively invalidating towards actual acts of cultural appropriation and is therefore racist. Feel like if this was actually brought up it was either by some people who seriously got their wires crossed or people who are just concern trolling and trying to make fun of both neo-pronouns and of the concept of cultural appropriation and stir the pot in the process.â
âIt wouldnât be the first time bigots falsly claim âitâs appropriative from X marginalized group" to harass people they donât like, like they did with aspec people when they claimed âaspecâ was stolen from autistic language (which was false, as many autistics said)â
âItâs been a discussion in pagan circles recently ⌠People were very quick to use the discussion as an excuse to shit on nonbinary people.â
âI think it would be apropos to note that the word âfaerie/fairyâ has been a synonym for various queer identities for decades, too. The Radical Faeries are a good example.â (So if anyone has the right to [re]claim itâŚ)
A little healthy skepticism is often wise in online LGBTQ+Â âdiscourseâ, and some of these people are making some very strong claims, for which Iâd love to see some evidence/sources/context. Some of it certainly sounds plausible.
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HOW DID IT START?
I had a look on Twitter and the earliest claim I can find that fae/faer pronouns are cultural appropriation is from 18th February 2020, almost exactly one year ago today. Again, tweets are not the best medium for this, there was very little in the way of nuance or context. If anyone can find an older claim from Twitter or Tumblr or anywhere else online, please do send it my way.
I have no idea how to navigate TikTok because Iâm a nonbinosaur. (Iâm 34.) I did find some videos of teens and young adults apparently earnestly asserting that they were Celtic or pagan and the use of fae/faer pronouns was offensive, but the videos were very brief and provided nothing in the way of nuance or context. For example:
This one from October 2020 with 29k â¤ď¸s, by someone who I assume is USian based on the word âmomâ?
This one from December 2020, that says âI am pagan and i find it rather disrespectful. Itâs like using god/godr or jesus/jesusr.â Thatâs probably what inspired the feedback box comment above that refers to hypothetical jesus/jesusr pronouns.
If anyone is able to find a particularly old or influential TikTok video about fae/faer pronouns being appropriative Iâd really appreciate it, especially if itâs from a different age group or from not-the-USA, to give us a feel for how universal this is.
For context, fae pronouns were mentioned in the very first Gender Census back in May 2013, though youâll have to take my word for it as the individual responses are not currently public. The word âfaeâ was mentioned in the pronoun questionâs âotherâ textbox, and no other forms in the set were entered so we have no way of knowing for sure what that personâs full pronoun set actually is. This means the set may have been around for longer. The Nonbinary Wiki says that the pronoun set was created in October 2013, as âfae/vaerâ, later than the first entry in the Gender Census, so Iâll be editing that wiki page later! If anyone has any examples of fae/faer pronouns in use before 2013 I would also be very interested to see that.
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IN SUMMARY
Obviously I canât speak for everyone, as the Twitter polls are not super scientific and they only surveyed a selection of Celts and pagans within a few degrees of separation of the Gender Census Twitter and Mastodon accounts, but I can certainly report on what I found.
For a more conclusive result, weâd need to take into account various demographics such as age, culture, location, religion, race/heritage, etc.
As far as I can tell based on fairly small samples of over 300 people per group at the time of writing, a minority of about 13% of Celtic and/or pagan people felt that use of fae/faer pronouns is appropriative.
A much higher number of people per group felt positive about people who are not Celts or pagans using fae/faer pronouns. The predominant view was:
It canât be cultural appropriation from Celtic cultures because fairy-like beings are not unique to Celtic cultures and Celtic cultures donât call them Fae.
It canât be cultural appropriation from pagan cultures because paganism is not âclosedâ or exclusive in any way, itâs too broad and open.
~
If your experience of your gender(s) or lack thereof isnât described or encompassed by the gender binary of âmale OR femaleâ, please do click here to take the Gender Census 2021 - itâs international and it closes no earlier than 10th March 2021!
This picrew will allow you to make a personalized pride flag! More information can be found here:...
Very happy and excited to announce that I made a new picrew! This picrew will allow you to create personalized pride flags!
This picrew is free for everyone to use and edit as they so desire. You donât have to credit me for it. My one rule is that this is not to be used for any commercial purpose whatsoever.
Hereâs how it works:
The top row is for sexuality flags. The left side has flags for many different identities, and the right side is for asexual spectrum identities in particular. If you donât identify as being on the ace spectrum, you donât have to include a flag on the rightâthe flag you select on the left will cover the entire top row. This is true for all of the flags in this picrew.
The heart in the middle is for romantic orientations. The left side has lots of different flags for romantic orientations, and the right side has flags for aromantic spectrum identities. If you donât experience split attraction, you donât have to include this heart.
The bottom row is for gender identity flags. The left side has flags for many different genders, and the right has more obscure or specific genders, as well as a few other miscellaneously queer options.
The semicircle at the top is for pronouns. This part is also optional.
Iâve tried to include many different flags, but of course thereâs lots out there that I donât know and havenât included. If you have a flag youâd like added to the picrew, feel free to let me know!
However, do be aware that picrew has an upper limit on how many options I can include, so if I donât have any more space then I may not be able to add it in, unfortunately :( currently there is still space for flags for all of the parts; if that changes at any point, I will edit this post to let y'all know. Also, it will take be a little while to get a new flag added in, so please do be patient.
These are the currently available options, in order of appearance:
Top Leftârainbow pride, alternate rainbow (black and brown stripes), another alternate rainbow (pink and turquoise stripes), lesbian, gay male, bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, omnisexual, asexual, quoisexual, abrosexual, ceterosexual, heterosexual, queer, questioning, trixic, toric, ]MORE![ sapphic, achillean, diamoric, alternate lesbian, demisexual, gray asexual, enbian, jaspian, gynesexual, androsexual, multispec, oriented aroace, angled aroace, aroace, iridian, opalian, unlabeled, homoflexible, heteroflexible, mspec lesbian, ]MORE+[ mspec gay, bi lesbian, bi gay, pan lesbian, pan gay, polysexual lesbian, polysexual gay, omni lesbian, omni gay
*brackets indicate that the flags in that section have overflowed into the next item in the listâtheyâll be found in the option labeled âMOREâ.
Plans for the Future:
-fun patterns! The patterns I have planned so far are bubbles, triangles, stars, paw prints, honeycomb, and bowling alley carpet. If any of you are particularly interested in seeing one of these patterns, feel free to let me knowâIâll move it to the top of the list. And Iâm open to more suggestions about patterns, as well!
-of course, Iâm always open to more flags and pronouns being added, too. At the moment all panels have open slots for new additions. Shoot me a message if you have a suggestion!
hey hey, i saw a neat poc lgbtq+ flag on here years(?) ago and ive loved it for the longest time as it rlly felt like a flag i idâed with super badly (the ones with black on top are good, but i never liked them as much) so i tried to make hq version of it (no idea if tumblr with cronch the quality of it a lot ;;)
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Venturgender: A gender which feels like an ongoing adventure, journey, or trek. A gender that is constantly evolving and revealing new aspects to a person.