Stop blowing holes in my ship!

@fuckyeahcontroversialcouples

Ever see a ship of yours get hate for the DUMBEST of reasons? Know any ship in your fandom that everyone just HATES? Do you just feel the urge to defend them? Well then, look no further because right here is where all the hated pairings are gathered and defended!

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Silentshipping defense

I don’t really ship this, but the reasons are annoying the hell outta me and I love this fandom, so off I go.

Serenity is too weak and stupid:

So is this reason. Serenity was never put into danger unlike the other characters, so in that way she never got to show the strength she has. She was able to be optimistic about the small possibility of being able to see again, and that to me shows a lot of strength and courage. She never gave up on her brother. She is also pretty smart. After just taking off her bandages, she is able to analyze the situation, grab the key, dive into the ocean, and unlock her brother. SHE SAVED HIS LIFE. Meanwhile everyone else is so relieved to see Yugi alive they’re all just like “Well there goes Joey. It’s not like there’s a way we can save him or anything. Farewell Joseph Wheeler, you will be missed.” Serenity is the ONLY one to try and save Joey’s life and she does.

They have limited interaction in the anime and none at all in the manga:

Oh come on. Do you have no imagination? There is such a thing as future bonding. Creators purposely leave series open-ended for more possibilities. Relationships aren’t written in stone, they can change and blossom over time. Character development can still happen after the series ends.

Cliché dynamic of the sweet, innocent girl melting the antagonistic guy’s heart:

There is a chance that this is a cliché because it works so well. If there were two cold, serious people, they most likely would not be able to create a steady relationship. Opposites attract because they’re good for each other.

At least two guys are already interested in Serenity:

And this is a problem why? If Serenity had been stringing them along acting as if she liked them, then yes, this would be problematic. But Serenity either never admitted to sharing their feelings or simply doesn’t have them. Serenity’s true feeling were never fully established and they could be for Kaiba.

Conclusion:

Silentshipping can be seen as one sided or non existent, but this could change over time. They have a good dynamic, and probably would help each other out if they got together.

This concludes my rant, go back to shipping whatever you want and don’t judge others. *drops mic* I’m out.

#Couple Defense #Silent Shipping #Serenity Wheeler #Seto Kiaba #Yu-Gi-Oh #Duel Monsters #submission

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In defense of Shinji Ikari/Asuka Langley Soryu (Neon Genesis Evangelion)

Alright, I’ve admittedly never done one of these defense posts before, but since I recently re-watched Evangelion, the timing seemed right, as I’m sure I’m the only one on the site crazy enough to defend these two. They really are the

definition

of a controversial couple, let me tell you that much.

Asuka and Shinji like each other and presumably want to be together, but both misunderstand the other’s intentions, causing their relationship to fall into dysfunction. Their dynamic is both multi-faceted and a key piece of the narrative, vital to the themes of the Hedgehog’s Dilemma and the events of the later Episodes.

Even so, much of the fandom has written it off as simply “abusive”, ignoring or missing the greater complexities of their issues, or their hope for improvement. I’m really not expecting much support here, as Tumblr is one of the most squeamish sites I’ve ever been on, really too much so to properly understand a dark and disturbing show like Evangelion. However, seeing as I am no stranger to Tumblr controversy, I would like to at least put my argument forth for why I believe this pairing is misunderstood. And, oh yeah, massive spoilers.

“Asuka is a bitch and verbally abused Shinji all the time”

There’s a very specific reason why this is so. The Asuka/Shinji relationship is meant to be a critique of sorts, explicitly displaying the dysfunctional subtext in tsundere anime characters and romance. Asuka is a depressed and traumatized person who has probably never known love, so her abuse is her way of dealing with her conflicted affections for Shinji. It’s supposed to be looking at such a relationship from a slightly more realistic perspective.

Does that fact excuse Asuka’s behavior? That’s really not for me to say. But the point I’m trying to make is that one can not attack that aspect of their relationship without acknowledging the sub-textual flaws in the types of romances AsuShin was meant to deconstruct (regardless of their degree of canon). Goku/Chi-Chi and Bulma/Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z, Ed/Winry from Fullmetal Alchemist, Evans/Maka from Soul Eater, Yosuke/Chie from Persona 4, Ash/Misty from Pokemon, Kiritio/Asuna from Sword Art Online, etc, I don’t even watch too much anime I can tell this archetype is everywhere. To a lesser extent, plenty of non-anime couples such as Ron/Hermione from Harry Potter and Fry/Leela from Futurama could be called into question as well.

That being said, speaking as someone who has been through enough abuse in their life, I normally found this behavior more often humorous then anything else. There’s a great deal of hypocrisy in most of Asuka’s criticisms of Shinji. I mean, I can’t help but laugh when she does things like insulting him for drawing the bath too hot, then yelling that it’s not his fault when he apologizes. It really does make them come off like an old married couple, so to speak. But perhaps that’s just me.

“Shinji is a whimp”

I don’t see what relevance this has to anything. Unless it’s part of the tsundere romance bit, which I explained above.

“Asuka was disgusted after kissing him”

This is, on a surface level, apparently true. However, like with the complaints above, Tumblr seems to have forgotten that this is “2deep4me” Neon Genesis Evangelion we’re taking about here. Very few elements of this series are as they first appear on the surface.

That said, it’s widely believed among the Eva fandom that Asuka’s disgust was actually faked to hide her genuine feelings for Shinji and her disappointment that he did not affectionately react to their kiss, fitting in with her tsundere archetype.

The evidence for this fact primarily comes from Episode 22. As Asuka is having her psyche assaulted by an Angel, Shinji appears in her mind, implying he holds a place in her affections. This causes her to scream: “Why are you there, dammit!? You won’t do anything! You never help me! You won’t even hold me!” as images of her attempts for romantic attention from Shinji are shown to leave her feeling upset and defeated:

Long story short: Asuka wanted Shinji to express affection for her, but when he misunderstood her intentions and did not, she was greatly distraught, covering it up by pretending to be disgusted so Shinji would not know that he had the power to hurt her.

“Shinji ends up strangling her in End of Eva.”

Again, this is technically true. But, again, this is Evangelion, so it’s really not so simple.

Shinji strangles Asuka twice over the course of the film. The first time is during his internal contemplation over the fate of humanity. Shinji begs Asuka to help him and let him stay with her. After Asuka callously and violently rejects him, Shinji snaps and strangles her, initiating Third Impact and the extinction of mankind. This scene is rather hotly debated, as there’s a lot of oddities about it. Asuka is dead at this point in the story, her rejection of him is…excessively brutal, though mostly repeating things Shinji has stated that he believes about himself, and she shows little to no reaction to his strangling, just continuing to glare at him.

Personally, I tend to see the most likely interpretation of this scene as being symbolic of Shinji’s psyche and not based in reality, as most of the scenes preceding it where. It’s an expression of Shinji’s frustration over his inability to reach out to her, and of his disgust with himself over the infamous opening scene. This seems to fit with the story, as he’s spent most of the movie up to this point angsting over just that anyway.

The second time, while unambiguously occurring in reality, is perhaps even more intensely debated. As Shinji has rejected instrumentality and awakes on a beach, he suddenly notices Asuka, alive and lying beside him. Appearing deranged, he begins to strangle her, but stops when she affectionately caresses his face, breaking down in tears on her chest as the movie and the series end for good.

Again, no one can say unambiguously what this scene actually means. Like most of the film, it’s incredibly cryptic mind-screwing. That said, we do have one official-ish comment on this scene, from a trading card series approved by Gainax around the time End of Evangelion was released:

“Shinji renounced the world where all hearts had melted into one and accepted each other unconditionally. His desire… to live with ‘others’ – other hearts that would sometimes reject him, even deny him. That is why the first thing he did after coming to his senses was to place his hands around Asuka’s neck. To feel the existence of an 'other’. To confirm (make sure of) rejection and denial.”

(As a side note, another card states that Shinji had specifically hoped to see Asuka again). While I wouldn’t put this as the sole interpretation of the scene, it’s the closest thing to Word of God statement we have, and thus the closest to canon.

So, did Shinji strangle Asuka? Yes, but probably not out of any malicious desire, at least as far as the scene based in canon goes.

In conclusion, Asuka and Shinji’s relationship is one of my favorite elements of Evangelion. It’s complex, empathetic, humorous, and just tragic enough, not unlike the show itself. The two of them have so much potential to help each other, if they can just learn to open up and stand on their own feet first. I really wish Tumblr would appreciate their dynamic for what it is rather then spreading blind hate. As I said earlier, I don’t really expect many people to be with me on this (I’m probably going to be crucified for whatever nonsense) but I hope I’ve at least explained well enough.

#Couple Defense #neon genesis evangelion #Shinji Ikari #Asuka Langley Soryu #submission

I knew there would be a death note ship on here some day (mattxmello defense)

“Too popular”, “default yaoi ship”, people ignore other Mello and Matt ships (especially Mello/Takada)

If you dont like a ship because its everywhere and its one you dont like, thats fine! Thats your opinion.

makes the characters OOC, too many fanfic cliches

I’m not gonna lie, DN doesnt have the proudest fanfic record. The show tends to skew young, and a lot of writers tend to be less experienced. But of course, theres always the 10% worth dying for.

most of Matt’s character is fanon because his appearance in the manga is so brief

I honestly love it when a fandom falls in love with a minor character. I love seeing all the different interpretations and backstories people can come up with for a character. Thats just my opinion though, and I can see how there being no consistancy can be annoying.

#couple defense #mattxmello #death note #submission

To The Defense of ChromxAvatar

Oh no, as usual someone complaining about an optional pairing in FE:A. Let me break this down.

“Avatar is a canon Mary Sue”

Oh, let me guess what’s the reasons for this one: “Sort of a bland personality with being damn near omnipotent?” Try to keep in mind that the avatar was made to not have many defining personality traits- they were made for us to envision ourselves in their position. That is why canoncially, we never see their facial features or hair or hear their voice in cutscenes. It will make them more of their own character, less you. Them being an OP unit, well that’s all on you. You can chose to use them or you can chose to bench them. As for the whole Grima thing, they can’t use/abuse Grima’s power for themselves as they don’t accept it, so I don’t see that trait exactly as being Sue-ish. Mary Sue is an over used term that isn’t even used correctly any more for all that matter.

Despite breaking this down, I don’t even see what that even has to do with ChromxAvatar. Okay, you can hate avatar as a standalone character, but to use that as a reason to hate a pair…? Makes no sense.

“Avatar is a bitch to Chrom in their supports and she gets away with it”

Wow, get a load of this. C Support, he said something hurtful to her. He didn’t mean it, but in fact he was the one being an ass. Rather than just apologize and leave it be, he further shoves his foot into his mouth and unknowningly insults her further. Despite her threatening him with a sharp blow to the head, was she honestly going to do that? No. Many average people do in casual conversations with friends/family, hell sometimes give lines like that to strangers when they go out of bounds. In no way was she being a bitch.

B Support, she does yell at him. Which comes at no surprise. Why? Because he just walked in on her naked and bathing after she asked him to wait outside. Granted, he misheard it, but she didn’t lay a hand on him, just asked him to get out and said he was doing exactly what he was- staring like a fool as he didn’t quite understand why she was naked despite her obviously bathing. She took it in stride, calmed down quickly and answered his question along with forgiving his slip. Much calmer than the average woman, probably.

A Support, most likely the one everyone calls her bitch for. Now she walks in on him. And she starts throwing things. Is that bitch worthy? No. It was a knee-jerk reaction to seeing him naked, like trying to shoo him off to a spot where she can’t see him. She immediately apologizes for her behavior which Chrom forgives. The one thing she did wrong, hit him without thinking things through, she apologized for. There is absolutely nothing that could be mistaken bitchy in the S support so I’m not even going to touch on that.

“The plot pushes the pairing on the players even after Chrom marries someone else”

Uh, no? Only two supports mildly hint at it. And those two are Lucina with the Avatar and Lucina with Morgan. Otherwise, the plot handles them as exactly what they are- best friends. Not only are they best friends, but they also work together closely as an advisor would do for someone. There’s this thing, you know, where two people can love each other platonically? Yeah, that’s the thing they do when they’re not actually married to each other. I’d like to see someone happily offer their friend as sacrifice or not get angry at their daughter for trying to kill their closest friend. Not everything has to be read as ship material and if you’re reading it that way, that’s your own problem.

“better as friends”

That is purely an opinion, but just in case it is followed up by this logic, I’m going to bring it up. ROMANCE IS NOT HEALTHY WITHOUT FRIENDSHIP. Honestly, if people think “Oh no, they’re friends they can’t have a romance”, seriously?. That should bar any kind of relationship instead of ones of hate or one night stands. Sometimes friends would not make a good couple, sure, but sometimes they do and those tend to be the healthiest. They love each other and want to keep each other safe and treat each other well, there is 100% trust (as Avatar is the only wife option to not get jealous of Lucina in chapter 13) and they are completely relaxed around one another, those are solid grounds for a relationship should they chose to seek it.

“the Chrom x Avatar fans are so insecure in the “the Chrom x Avatar fans are so insecure in their ‘OTP’ that they can’t ship it without bashing Sumia and accusing her of ‘stealing Chrom away’”

These last two reasons are completely irrelevant and biased and focusing on a vocal minority, but I’m going to touch on them anyway.

Sure there are some that bash on Sumia, which is ridiculous, but it’s just as ridiculous to assume everyone does. Same way how some people bash on other ships. That is absolutely a thing within this fandom in general and it’s tiring, like a bunch of children whining over how bad a toy is when they don’t even have it nor even want it. To focus on one sole ship being problematic is just to give fuel to further hate and complain about something.

Also, I doubt anyone is insecure over it the way you assume in this point, especially that it’s one of the most popular ships and the game is literally completely for you to decide.

“the Chrom x Avatar fans self-project into her to insane degrees and think of him as a ‘prize dick’ for their Mary Sue-fied version of her — often while reducing Avatar’s worth as a woman to whether she becomes Chrom’s wife or not”

Once again, generalizing fans of something by a vocal minority. People who ship this don’t even want to be associated with the people who do this. Many think of Chrom as an interesting character and defend him when people bash on him in a thoughtful manner, pointing out the qualities that make him stand out among other characters from the the Franchise’s earlier games. The ones who do as you state sometimes even fight each other. Who honestly wants to be lumped in with people fighting each other over the same ship?

On top of this, you can’t act as if other people don’t do the same for other characters. They perhaps do it differently, like some of the TharjaxAvatar shippers, but it’s present.

#chrome #avatar #couple defense #submission

Couple: Emma Swan and Killian Jones/Captain Hook (Captain Swan)

Fandom: Once Upon a Time

Reason For being Hated:

For this couple to have legitimacy; Snowing’s entire story arc was completely altered, Neal/Baelfire was killed off which was confirmed by Jennifer in an interview last summer, caused Outlaw Queen to become an adulterous mess because Emma needed a justification in being a hero after refusing to save Neal’s life, destroyed Rumbelle because Hook was given a 180 characterization so Rumpelstiltskin needed to be turned into a cartoonish villain because his redemption in the form of his son was killed off with his true love being portrayed as a concenlation prize. As a couple they are incredibly boring to watch because Hook just follows Emma around praising her for the accomplishments of others, very little chemistry, Hook is a misogynistic drunk who gets portrayed as a hero only because Colin is handsome. Even the writers have admitted the S3 finale was their personal CaptainSwan fanfiction leading many fans to suspect the show was altered after the Neverland arc to cater towards the pirate.

#couple submission #Once Upon A Time #Captain Swan #Emma Swan #Killian Jones #Captain Hook

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Couple: Artie Abrams/Kitty Wilde (Wildebrams)

Fandom: Glee

Reasons for Being Hated: Irrelevant, Kitty made several offensive comments in her first few appearances as per her initial HBIC nature, Artie made a comment in approval of sexual assault when in the same episode Kitty turned out to be a victim of such an assault.

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Pairing: Korrasami (Korra/Asami Sato)

Fandom: The Legend of Korra

Reasons for being hated: Rushed, little/no romantic development, fan-service, both dated the same guy, became endgame instead of Makorra, completely came out of the blue

#couple submission #legend of Korra #Korrasami #Korra #Asami Sato

In defense of Fosterson/Jane and Thor

’Boring’: Well, if you think loving, caring, gentle and mutual are ‘boring’ then fine. That’s your bag, but in my opinion- it’s so rare to see such a cautious approach to a relationship, especially when there is SO much at stake for both of them. How often to you see a hero like Thor- the quintessential warrior- get to be portrayed as a starry-eyed romantic, who gently touches and strokes and smiles? Very rarely. I am SO glad they didn’t go down the Conan the Barbarian route, this portrayal is so much better and part of the reason I love Thor as a character so much. No chemistry: Subjective much? Both actors (Hemsworth and Portman) are talented actors- we know this and they have a great rapport in interviews. No, they aren’t all over each other, but since when has that stopped people shipping two people together? LOTS of people ship Hawkeye and Coulson, despite the fact they converse ONCE and they aren’t even on screen together! Steve and Tony are in two movies (counting AoU) and they constantly bicker and fight- doesn’t stop Stony being popular. Some people like that sort of thing. Me personally? I don’t think anger and disagreement is a good basis for a relationship (angry sex yes, but a long term loving twosome? Nah mate), but I’m boring. So there you go. Jane and Thor’s chemistry is that of two people who are thrown together and are sure there’s something there, but neither wants to rush in- if their story called for lots of snogging, then it would. Again, they are cautious and well aware of what they stand to lose, but the end of the TDW they are free to pursue the relationship and share a super passionate kiss (they’ve clocked up the most kisses so far BTW). Now I know what you’re about to say- that post-credit scene wasn’t Natalie Portman, that was Elsa Pataky (Chris Hemsworth’s wife) as Jane Foster, so yes the kiss was more passionate because they are being played by a married couple. Different actress, but it’s still the same character. If the problem is with Natalie Portman, I could understand, but I would bet a million dollars that no matter WHO played Jane, fandom would have a problem with it. Proof? THEY DID SHARE A PASSIONATE KISS IN THE TRAILER FOR TDW THAT WAS CUT FROM THE FINAL MOVIE. For reasons that remain a mystery (due to a rather suspicious rumour about them breaking up in an ‘original ending’- a rumour so stupid that even Latino Review won’t touch it. Funny that.). I doubt people would start magically start shipping them if they recast her. Happens way too fast/haven’t known each other long enough: You’re willing to buy magical space Vikings, hammers made in the heart of a sun, a metal suit powered by an arc reactor and Steve Rogers becoming super strong after being baked in a science microwave but… your suspension of disbelief stops at an astrophysicist falling for a god-like alien with access to technology thousands of years beyond Earth (and an interstellar bridge) after a few days? THAT’S where you draw the line? Okay. Right-o. Why does Thor fall so fast? Perhaps he loves Jane’s passion, kindness, brilliance, beauty and fascination with his world in a way he never stopped to appreciate? Again, my opinion. Kenneth Brannagh, in the director’s commentary for Thor said they aren’t in love, but they develop a mutual crush that they both want to explore but can’t. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Gets in the way of Thorki: Hate to break it to you- Thorki will never. Ever. Ever. Happen. Except in fandom- so why throw Jane under a bus to make it happen? Is the studio (owned by DISNEY) who run a multi-million dollar franchise likely to turn round and go ‘You know what’ll make this franchise really popular? Two men raised as brothers dicking each other. Genius.’ Thor is better off with Sif: Depends how you define ‘Better off’. Yeah, they’ll have longer together, have shared experience- but… Thor doesn’t feel that way about her. At least not yet. He has no obligation to reciprocate her feelings. It might happen one day, who knows, but for now he clearly loves Jane and wants to give them a chance. But what about Norse mythology?! I hear you cry- well, what about it? Since when has the MCU cared about being true to the the Poetic Edda? I’ve read it (I would recommend it!) and Thor has three children- only one of them is by Sif. Two are by a Jotun and an unknown woman. Also, Sif has a son (Ullr) by another man who is also not known. Loki is not Thor’s adopted brother- nor has there been any horse-related shenanigans. If Sif is the ‘endgame’ for the MCU, fine, but give Thor and Jane a chance to have a healthy end to their relationship and not treat Sif as a potential rebound. Gross. But in the comics…: Which ones? 616? Currently, he’s not with Sif any more, he’s (SPOILERS) probably with a human SHIELD agent (and environmental scientist) named Roz Solomon. I’ve seen him in relationships with random tavern wenches, a dark elf, Amora, Lorelei and… Jane Foster. And that’s just 616- what about Lord of Asgard when he’s with Amora and has a son with her? Or the Ultimates when his one night stand with Hela results in Modi (it’s a spoiler, but I’ve just saved you having to read that piece of shit so consider yourself lucky). And at one point he’s with Jane Foster in The Ultimates to. And in Thor the Mighty Avenger he’s also with Jane Foster. She’s a different Jane Foster in the various continuities- a nurse, a doctor, a historian- so why can’t you accept her as an astrophysicist? Could it be you don’t buy Jane as a scientist because a conventionally attractive female scientist is ‘unrealistic? Despite the fact that Natalie Portman herself has a science degree and has researched several chemistry papers- yet magic hammers are still more credible? If you can buy space-vikings, but you can’t buy pretty female scientists- you’re probably as sexist as hell. Sorry. Jane’s too whiney/not badass enough/etc: Whiney? Are you HIGH? It’s a super problematic term anyway. She only ‘whines’ when her stuff is stolen by SHIELD. When she is possessed by an Infinity Stone, she is so brave- she faints to the ground and when Thor calls for her she tells him she’s okay- weakly, but bravely. It’s implied she is broken hearted by Thor’s disappearance, but wouldn’t you be? In the span of two movies she drives into a tornado (laughing like a maniac), rescues Thor from a SHIELD facility, helps evacuate a town, builds her own equipment from scratch, in a lab set up in an old garage, bodily defends Thor, holds an Infinity Stone in her body without dying (even Loki seems impressed with how well she’s surviving) slaps two gods in the face, sasses Odin and defeats Malakeith armed with stuff she has put together with duct tape. Nope. No bad-assery there. No sir. To quote Thor: ‘She is strong in ways you can’t imagine.’ She’s no warrior- she’s a scientist. Why is that good enough for Leo Fitz and not Jane Foster? Why is it okay for Tony Stark to be a credible hero using his technological know how and not Jane? Why is Loki given SO much sympathy for being being a magic user instead of a warrior, yet Jane is dismissed for the same thing? Hint- probably sexism. Lifespan difference/Mayfly December: Depressing thing- we will all be separated from our loved ones one day- by death or circumstance. For some it’s sooner than others. Jane and Thor may not have long together, but they clearly want to try. Both of them. It’s implied that Thor would have made Jane his Queen if he wanted to take the throne- but he wanted the chance at a normal life. She would have been part of his life regardless. Will it break his heart to see her die so soon? Absolutely- but he’s doing it anyway. Jane studies stars- she’s used to being a mayfly compared to the rest of the universe, why would her romantic entanglements be any different?

#Couple Defense #Thor #Fosteron #Jane Foster

Pairing: Jane Foster/Thor Fandom/Series: Marvel Cinematic Universe Reasons why it’s hated: ’Boring’ No chemistry, Happens way too fast/haven’t known each other long enough, Gets in the way of Thorki, Thor is better off with Sif But in the comics…, Jane’s too whiney/not badass enough/etc, Lifespan difference/Mayfly December

#couple submission #thor #jane foster #natalie portman #chris hemsworth

Why do people hate Amourshipping?

I have no idea, this is a ship I am not familiar with.

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What about Shinichi and Ran from Detective Conan?

What about it?

#detective conan #shinichi #ran

so surprised Oswink/pinkwald hasn't been submitted yet, but also happy because I love them, can't help feeling its a matter of time though

Between you and me the less Doctor Who is here the better. I wasn't a huge fan of Oswink for what it was it was fine. The worse they had was little communication. Maybe that it got the way of 12/Clara doesn't seem like a good reason.

#doctor who #Clara Oswald #Danny Pink #Oswink #Pinkwald

Couple: Mallory Pike/Jessi Ramsey

Fandom: Babysitters Club

Reasons Why It’s Hated: "They're both straight"/"Mallory dated Ben Hobart so she's straight", "too young" to date (even though Mal's canon boyfriend is the same age as her), cliche and overused pairing, "why does every fanfic have to have lesbians in it?", "Why can't they just be friends?"

#Couple Submission #Babysitters Club #Mallory Pike #Jessi Ramsey

Have you ever post ships about Detective Conan? Link pls. :)

No we never got one. I didn't know there were Conan couples

#Case Closed #Dectective Conan

Pairing: Mary Crawley/Charles Blake

Series/Fandom: Downton Abbey

Reasons Why They're Hated: Cliche love/hate dynamic, too similar to Matthew and Mary's romance, Mary shouldn't love anyone again after Matthew, Gillingham or Napier would be better for Mary, Mary has too many suitors, Blake lied to see if Mary could love him for himself instead of his money.

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PAIRING: Medic/Miss Pauling,

FANDOM: Team Fortress 2

REASON WHY THEY'RE HATED: "it'll never be canon", gets in the way of Scout/Ms Pauling and/or Heavy/Medic, "they've never interacted with each other"

#Couple Submission #team fortress 2 #Medic #Miss Pauling

Defense for Lion X Cinder

OK I don’t ship it because it felt a bit random to me but the reasons listed were dumb so I will defend it.

"Cinderheart is a ‘Mary Sue.’ Maybe, I don’t really know. If she is, well that’s a dumb reason to dislike a ship.

"Lionblaze belongs with Icecloud/Heathertail/other she-cats." When Lionblaze became friends with Icecloud, he still liked Heathetail. Icecloud’s crush, which by the way faded after the Po3 arc, was one sided. They didn’t even interact in the OotS arc. I’m sorry, but it was a crack ship from the beginning.

As for Lion X Heather, it was cute but never meant to be. Lionblaze and Heathertail are from different clans and I’m confident that they would never leave their clans for each other. And the Erins killed the ship in Eclipse when Lionblaze accused Heathertail of telling Onestar about the tunnels. Not only did it permanently end their relationship, but the lack of trust on Lionblaze’s side shows that he wasn’t truly in love with Heathertail and Lion x Heather would never work.

"Cinderheart’s existence as Cinderpelt’s reincarnation goes against the rules set down for StarClan in canon." Cinderpelt was reincarnated so that she could become a warrior. It was never her destiny to be medicine cat. So no, it doesn’t break the warrior code and even if it did, I don’t see why this is a problem. So many popular ships break the warrior code (Oak x Blue, Crow x Leaf, Tiger x Dove etc.). I don’t see why the warrior code applies to this ship and not the others.

"Cinderheart is whiny and bitchy" no.

"Cinderheart is a ‘creator’s pet’ Don’t know what that means but I guess it’s similar to ‘mary sue.’ Again, that’s a dumb reason to hate a ship.

It seems as if this ship only gets hate because of Cinderheart herself, and not for legit reasons like, “forced” or “not developed well” or any good reason to dislike a ship.

#couple submission #cinderheart #lionblaze #lion x cinder #submission

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