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Bnha's pseudo-cop copaganda is quite basic: Miruko kicks to kill, Gran Torino refers to criminals as 'its' and Eraserhead interrogates with torture. The likeable heroes protect the likeable villains from Endeavor but never report the man himself and the schools teach violence first and safety second.
However beneath the obvious, there's a second, less obvious layer.
Now, I believe that the premise of one group having more rights to enact violence than others is fundamentally rotten. But, I've seen irl police violence and it feels contrived to compare Aizawa breaking Dabi's arm after he tries to kill him and admits to the Vanguard Action Squad targeting the students to peaceful protestors being beaten and pepper sprayed, officers shooting unarmed civillians and escalating conflict into needless violence.
To achieve this effect, Horikoshi decided to have every major activist or group vying for societal change escalate to violence first.
Stain sends his message by murdering and disabling the heroes he considers fake. The League was genuinely wronged by society but try to bring a new world order through raw destruction and fear. The MLA's leaders are quirk supremacists who kill and torture to reach their goals and eventually ally with the League.
Even small time goons feel no remorse trying to kill 15 year olds and white collar criminals like robbers possess black market high-tech or are inhuman blobs who kill children bodysnatcher style.
The notable exception from this pattern, Jin's death, goes out of its way to frame the responsible hero as downright villainous.
Bnha presents a world in which the cops are in the right most of the time and called out when they aren't. We're not only told to tolerate police violence, we're shown over and over again that it's necessary, because the [insert marginalized group/political opponents] are out out to kill you. It literally reflects irl police training methods.
Vigilantes, while still flawed, paints a more realistic picture: The heroes' violence is frequently portrayed as unjust, excessive and frightening. Fatgum beats up a man for making him drop his food and well. Endeavour is a monster with zero regard for human life and often 'villains', either victims or genuine small time criminals, don't instigate but instead react to the heroes' violence.
In the shie hassaikai arc, I remember fatgum sayimg this to kirishima:
"When you're fighting a villain, they win by killing you, beating you into the ground, or running away. But the only way we win is by taking them in with no casualties"
The mha team up spin off that almost properly addressed
You know, after reading through the mha spin off series team uo missions, there was one that almost succeeded in properly representing mhas messages.
This one has izuku (whose interning for mirko with nakugo and uraraka) encounter a "villain" by the name of takeshi bushijima.
This young man has a quirk that allows to release poison gas from his body, and it builds up inside him and hurts him if he doesn't release it.
What I liked:
Takeshi isn't portrayed as an agent of chaos that needs to be stopped, he actaully tries his best to keep the gas away from people.
Izuku actually stops to reason things out and stops the two knuckleheads mirko and bakugo from just punching their way through everything.
What I disliked
The solution is to have the gas be expelled above the city and then destoryed by bakugo's explosions, but this only temporaily solves the problem as the gas will build back up again over time, so the solution is once again just a band aid solution isntead of actaully fixing the problem.
The message boils down to "just trust the heroes" when that clearly wasn't working until he accidently expeelled the gas in public, and even then izuku was the only one who actually tried to find a solution, mirko and bakugo just wanted to beat down the poor guy.
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It's noteworthy that Toga gets the first quirk awakening in BNHA (excluding OFA shenanigans).
When Toga wished to become a trusted person to others like Ochako, she gained access to Ochako's individuality through her blood. Toga up until this point avoided putting herself in harm's way. But in this fight she put everything on the line covered in her own blood for what she believed in, like Izuku. When Toga realized she could use Ochako's quirk, she was thrilled because she had a new opportunity to become more like those she loved.
However, it's clear in this moment how large the gulf was between Toga and Ochako. She lost half of Ochako's face soon after activating her quirk, symbolizing these choices are nothing like Ochako's choices. But this mimicry based on admiration without a good understanding of what they were imitating is actually what makes Toga similar to Ochako in this moment.
The move Toga used to kill Curious was reminiscent of the final move Ochako used in her Sports Festival fight against Bakugou. It seems to be an intentional parallel given Curious' explosion adjacent quirk and that Bakugou was a frequent opponent of both the people she loved at this moment. Except unlike Ochako's final move, Toga succeeded in defeating her opponent. Some of that came down to the element of surprise that Ochako ruined before implementing her plan. Act One Ochako viewed heroism as a performance while Toga knew her every day was a matter of life and death.
And that lightheartedness from early Ochako also led to this moment. Ochako never seriously considered how her quirk could kill or maim others. She had a conventionally heroic quirk and she probably received frequent praise for it. Toga's revelation of this scene in the first war arc ripped off that bandage. The only hand covered in blood as Toga released the quirk here is the hand that corresponds with Ochako's face.
Curious was married to her job to her last moment. The one thing she and Toga have in common is they both died in exactly the roles they wanted. Curious died in the hot pursuit of a killer story while Toga died saving the only person who reciprocated her love and treated her like a normal girl.
This dialogue from Curious clears up the final catalyst for why Toga broke down. Confessing to a crush at graduation is a stereotypical shoujo trope. Toga couldn't express her feelings at the normal time for a confession, and she snapped and drank Saito's blood. Due to her lack of control from the years of suppression, it ended up killing him.
This chapter is titled "Interview with a Vampire". I'm not going to support Anne Rice, so I read the wiki pages for the novel and movie to see what inspiration was taken by Horikoshi here. The method of storytelling is similar. Interview with the Vampire tells its story through a conversation between a journalist and a vampire. The interviewers in both cases still didn't understand their subjects after the interview and were attacked by them as a result.
The vampire spent years suppressing his desire for human blood and drank from animals, like Toga and the bird. The vampire protagonist Louis was someone from a wealthy family who fell into vampirism as a result of many things that included love and desire. Toga was from an upper middle class family and began to hunt people after drinking the blood of her crush. Both Louis and Toga are implied bisexual, which isn't surprising as that comes hand in hand with vampires. Based on how often buildings seem to be burned down in that novel, it makes sense why Toga's childhood home was burned to the ground.
There is something about the disillusionment in Louis' story in Interview with the Vampire that also rings true with Toga's arc. He becomes disillusioned by the people he once loved over time. Someone who was part of his found family was killed and he sought revenge. Someone from the faction that killed his found family member offered Louis a place by his side and he refused. It has a lot of similarities with Toga's story where she finds corruption in love and desire and falls to villainy after the death of Twice. She loses faith and rejects those she once loved in Izuku and Ochako when they didn't meet her expectations and because of their alliance with Twice's killer.
The juxtaposition between Toga's parents' dialogue and their actions is striking. They say they claim full responsibility, but they refused to speak on panel. Their admission of responsibility occurred through a doorbell far away from Toga or anyone coming to their home to seek answers. Their admission comes across as insincere as they immediately followed it up by calling their child a demon. Reading between the lines, her parents' position is that Himiko was inherently evil and they did everything they could to prevent her evil from manifesting. They are apologizing for not suppressing their child more. They don't actually want to make up for anything. They acted to minimize the costs to themselves. Kicking out Himiko/making no attempt to bring her back only exposed society to further harm from their daughter.
In retrospect, Toga's family was set up as a contrast for Endeavor's admission of responsibility for Touya after the first war arc. Toga and Touya were both eldest children with quirks incompatible with their social roles who fell into villainy. Unlike Toga's parents, the Todorokis did not attempt to cut off Touya, and Endeavor admitted to wrongdoing in person at a press conference without denying any allegations. All of the Todorokis arrived to stop Touya while there wasn't a single familial connection willing to reach out to Himiko.
Behold the beautiful smile of the cutest girl in the world
All jokes aside, there is something mundane about her choice to stab Saito with a box cutter. It could have been an impulse while she was helping her classmates prepare for the graduation ceremony. It's also interesting that the mask doesn't break until after she kills Saito and drinks his blood. It demonstrates a lack of premeditation. She was planning on keeping her normal girl mask on until she lost it and took the blood she needed by force. Then she couldn't go back to how things were before. The mask was broken beyond repair and she had already gotten a taste of what she was missing. Her fate was sealed when she started to associate the relief of sating her quirk that relies on the combination of blood and admiration with harming others in that moment.
For Toga, drinking blood was how she expressed love. This was normal to her. But in practice, harming those she loved also became her normal because she internalized that no one she liked would give their blood willingly.
Toga was right to recoil at how Curious was trying to pick her apart like she was an inhuman creature. And drinking blood shouldn't have been an abnormality that outcasted her. She should have been able to be a normal girl. But on some level, Toga didn't see herself as normal after her upbringing. If she truly saw drinking blood as normal, she would have asked the people she liked for their blood outright. Instead, she attacked those she loved because on some level she internalized the belief she was deviant or that everyone around her will automatically view her as abnormal.
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…I have so little patience for the endgame's appalling over-use of the imagery of Shigaraki, Dabi, and Toga as young children. “If only they could have been saved at this age!” the story seems to say. “Then maybe it wouldn’t have had to turn out like this!” And the story just wants you to turn your brain off, exactly like those uncritical six-year-olds, and not ask any inconvenient questions like, “How exactly would a grade-school-aged Ochaco have been able to help Toga with her abusive parent situation?” or “How does a child Izuku ‘accepting’ Tenko and his awful, destructive quirk address Tenko’s anger about how all the adults around him willfully looked away from his suffering?”
…I think it’s very clear that Deku never respected or wanted to understand Shigaraki Tomura the person, the adult, only that phantom child in his heart…
…what really gets me is that, in the end, Deku doesn’t even really save the five-year-old, if “saving the five-year-old” can be understood to mean “stop the five-year-old from having to grow up to be a Villain.” The remnant Tenko in Shigaraki’s heart smiles and kindly rejects Deku’s save in favor of turning back into Shigaraki because he can’t and won’t abandon his friends, all those outcasts who no one else cared about or tried to save. And then Shigaraki gets eaten by All For One again and Deku just…gives up and kills them both?
The society in BNHA is basically a dystopian police state, even though that obviously wasn’t Horikoshi’s intention (seeing as he perceives the system as “good” but “imperfect”)
I won’t even touch on the capitalism aspect of it, and how ingrained it must be, considering that those fantasy cops are considered celebrities that do commercials and have merch. Like, I’m sorry, this sounds like such a fascist hellhole.
Not saying that Stain is right buut if you are not a child and have even minimal knowledge of leftist theory (or can just equate fictional to real life scenarios), it gets real difficult to condemn him.
The issue is that canon took Stain's stance but stripped it of nuance.
He doesn't actually have any criteria other than self serving ones of what makes a "true hero."
So all the guy is doing is running around killing people for not being All Might.
The narrative wasn't willing to actually let Stain's victims be blatantly corrupt. We never have a reason to think anyone he cut down was actually doing anything other than the typical hero stuff everyone else does.
What would have been great if Tensei Iida was doing tax fraud or embezzling funds. Then we actually have a reason for this guy to do what he does. We learn absolutely nothing about Native at all, not even his quirk. He's a prop the boys can fight Stain over. And then the guy gets eaten by nomu in the war arc.
I can only assume his quirk was Cultural Appropriation but it wasn't of any use against strong opponents.
The story could have been so much more powerful if Stain was killing heroes who were, objectively, bad people. Imagine if his first victim was a hero known for using excessive force on petty criminals, or one exposed for taking bribes from corporations. This would create a genuine moral dilemma for the audience and for characters like Midoriya: "This guy's methods are monstrous, but... is he entirely wrong about the problem?"
It makes Stain's copycats equally as empty. Spinner says he's here to enforce Stain's will. And his only action aligning with Stain's will is to stop Magne from killing Izuku. An action that later cost him absolutely everything lol.
I talked about the failings of hero society in this post.
https://www.tumblr.com/lacunammmm/793227125744418816/examining-the-premise-of-hero-society-can-you
Stain's answer would be that society needs heroes who don't get paid, and who do it with a sort of religious zeal entirely for ideals.
He's basically talking about Spider-Man type guys. Traditional superheros.
He's actually right that pro heroes are in no way heroes. When you're sanctioned by the government, you are a tool of the government. Tools of the government don't go against the system that empowers them. You are a weapon to be directed at enemies of the system, and not at the corruption of the people within the system.
These are civil servants. Mind the PRO part of pro hero. The entire premise of Vigilantes is based on this idea.
My argument would actually be that pro heroes, as they're presented in the series, should not exist.
There's no reason to have two separate branches of police, one of which has no right to arrest but has the right to kill. The idea is ridiculous.
Make heroes special forces. Make heroes cops. That's it. Stain wouldn't have lasted a week if heroes patrolled in groups and had officers with guns at their backs. His method of hunting becomes completely impossible if he cannot isolate and pick off his targets.
The fact that heroes are these lone guns who try to face villains alone because it'll raise their hero ranking to get sole credit for the capture is the single biggest point of failure and the reason many of the villains remain at large.
If they got a standard government salary for services rendered then you could blanket the country in hero cops and ensure even coverage. What happened at Shoji's village wouldn't happen, unless everyone there also hated mutants and the cops/heroes were corrupt.
It in no way fixes the broken hero system since punitive justice doesn't actually solve crime, just shifts it around, but the lack of any sort of hero ranking or immense financial incentives to be a hero means we simply wouldn't have guys like Endeavor decide to be heroes.
There, of course, would be abusers, as there always are in any sort of environment like this, but that's a pervasive issue. 40% of cops being the victims of or the perpetrators of domestic abuse is a well known statistic.
Because every time I see a Pro Hero 'What if' of Shigaraki, Touya or Toga
I can't help but feel they'd be the exact same as Class 1A in dealing with Villains, as well as seeing problematic Heroes in a positive light (Or turn a blind eye to them)
The grievances of Twice, Spinner & others would be ignored to maintain a Status Quo that Pro Heroes are taught to put their lives on the line for
It's bittersweet in a way
Despite being Villains they saw the flaws of Society due to suffering from injustices from it
And experiencing those injustices set them on a path that led them to joining a group consisting of outcasts
Outcasts who related to their pain, and eventually develop a friendship with
I don't see UA Students Tenko, Toga & Touya developing a bond as strong as their Villain selves
Anyway...
That was just me rambling over imagining the LOV trio becoming Status Quo Enforcers if they grew up to become UA students
It really rubs me the wrong way cause it really enforces that binary the show perpetuates that if you have a strong quirk you either become a hero (a symbol of goodness) or an evil villain who must be defeated. They can’t look beyond that if they became ‘good’ and try to make a meaningful change because its not as easy or simple than just ‘Toga could’ve become a support hero if she met Ochaco earlier 😔’ or ‘if only Shigaraki hadn’t met AFO 😢’
I hardly doubt this was done on purpose (like pretty much anything Horikoshi wrote) but it looks so disturbing to me how the same government that can afford to fund multiple Hero schools that seem to have infinite resources (including simulations that destroy whole fake cities at least once a week and providing free housing and food with full privacy and commodities) is the same that let orphaned kids like Jin to their own devices at the age of 15.
For UA if I remember right a lot of the money was Nedzu’s own investments, but still. Can we talk about how privileged UA and Hero students in general are?
Oh, the kids at U.A. High are absolutely privileged and the manga once seemed to want to address it.
In Chap 79 Mustard points out more than once how Tetsutetsu and Kendou in a privileged position because they get to go to U.A. high.
MUSTARD ‘Kōka to wa ie tosshin toka saa, kanbenshite yo! Meimonkō desho? Kōgakureki desho? Kangaete kunnai?’
マスタード「硬化とはいえ突進とかさぁ！勘弁してよ！名門校でしょ？高学歴でしょ？考えてくんない？」
MUSTARD “Even though you can harden yourself, you’re charging straight in! Give me a break! You're from a prestigious school, right? You're highly educated, right? Can't you think anything about it?” [Chap. 79]
MUSTARD ‘2 tai 1 de hitori wa mi o kakushite fuiuchi nerai ne! ? Asatsu, assa iyo soko ga! Kono GAS wa saA, boku kara dete boku ga ayatsutteru. Kimi-ra no ugoki ga yuragi to shite chokusetsu boku ni tsutawarunda yo! Tsumari tsutsunukenan date!! Nande sō iu no kangae ran nai kanā, o U.A. sei desho? Yumemi sasete yo... Soredakara konna shūgeki yurushi chaunda yo…’
マスタード「2対1で一人は身を隠して不意打ち狙いね！？浅っ、あっさいよ底が！このガスはさァ、僕から出て僕が操ってる。君らの動きが揺らぎとして直接僕に伝わるんだよ！つまり筒抜けなんだって！！何でそういうの考えらんないかなぁ、雄英生でしょ？夢見させてよ…それだからこんな襲撃許しちゃうんだよ…」
MUSTARD “Two against one, one hiding and aiming for a surprise attack?! It's so shallow, so shallow! This gas comes from me and I control it. Your movements are transmitted directly to me as fluctuations! In other words, we can hear everything! I wonder why you can't think of something like that, you're a student at U.A., right? Let me dream... That's why you allow attacks like this...” [Chap. 79]
MUSTARD ‘Nē… kimi-ra wa shōrai HERO ni narun daro? Boku okashī to omounda yo ne… kimi mitaina tansaibō ga saA! Gakureki dake de! Chiyahoya sa reru yononakatte!! Tadashikunai yo nē!!
マスタード「ねえ…君らは将来ヒーローになるんだろ？僕おかしいと思うんだよね…君みたいな単細胞がさァ！学歴だけで！チヤホヤされる世の中って！！正しくないよねえ！！」
MUSTARD "Hey... you guys are going to be heroes in the future, right? I think it's strange... a simple-minded person like you! Due to your academic background! We live in a world where you get fawned over just because of it! It's not right!" [Chap. 79]
But then the story goes and beat Mustard with Tetsutetsu claiming it was him who was being a fool because since he has a gun this proves he has no confidence in a fight (because, no, using weapons it’s not right unless they’re a part of your Quirk/made with your Quirk, otherwise your only option is you HAVE TO BE A BRAWLER) and the fact he uses a mark proves he also can’t breath his own Quirk so he’s the simple minded.
I mean, it’s not like U.A. high gave them teaching Mustard didn’t have and that helped them to beat him, it’s just they’ve somehow grown to the point they could figure all this and he hasn’t. The fact they went to U.A. High doesn’t matter, it’s not what makes them great, it’s just them. The fact that people who went at U.A. High became great Heroes is a coincidence. They were all awesome people who happened to go there and if Mustard had been an awesome person he would have been as good as them even without going to U.A. High.
I’m being bitter but all this is based on the Japanese belief that if YOU put in enough effort you can overcome any obstacle that seems nice and encouraging but, on the other side places ON YOU the blame if you can’t overcome an obstacle. The result is that being privileged doesn’t matter, the story even shows how Shouto, a clearly privileged kid, actually has troubles, Shouto even said he remained behind his class for a long time and it was hard for him to reach them, because in this mindset being advantaged MEANS NOTHING.
It’s all UP TO YOU.
So of course the fact that people like Jin end up to their own devices is due to them. They’ve the blame. Japan after all believes that homeless are responsible for their own condition and shouldn’t bother other but be ignored. If only Jin had just put up more effort he could have easily overcome his own disadvantage.
The problem with this mindsetting that’s pretty spread in Japan and that the manga conveniently report is that it clashes with the idea that people need a helping hand which is another of the themes of the manga.
Either helping hand isn’t necessary, it’s just a nice little extra, a privilege, as everyone could have overcome such problems on their own, or the helping hand is NECESSARY otherwise people left to their own devices can/will fail NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY.
The story doesn’t quite take a stance on this because while it wants to praise Midoriya for how he wants to offer a helping hand and remarks how important it is, it also wants to condemn all those who failed because they didn’t get one, broke down and became Villains.
Some are inborn Heroes with a story of heroism and some are inborn Villains with a story of villainism.
This at Shouto and Touya and how Horikoshi added a scene in which 5 years old Shouto tried to protect Rei, while 8 years old Touya tried to attack Shouto.
Shouto worried not much chapters before he could have ended up like his brother hadn’t Midoriya reached out to him, but the story is here to tell us that no, he wouldn’t have done it, because deep down Shouto has Hero spirit and would attack someone to protect someone else, while Touya can’t become a Hero because he attacked someone innocent because he was hurt so their future was more or less ‘decided’. Touya just didn’t have what it takes to become a Hero while Shouto did. Touya though did have what it takes to become a Villain. And guess what they become?
And we see the same also with Himiko and Uraraka, Himiko couldn’t contain her instincts while Uraraka just can. Oh, it’s sad Himiko was mistreated and pressured so much but she should have just resisted because Uraraka could and the same goes for Shuuichi, who should have resisted and decided to become a Hero like Shouji did.
It’s their failure, not society’s. When they blame society they’re just searching for excuses which is a BIG NO in Japan.
So, coming from a different culture in which we acknowledge that society’s failures can cause people to fall, that sometimes no amount of effort will help you overcome an obstacle we can’t appreciate what the story tells us. It’s just too far from our mindset, it goes backward instead than forward something that’s made even more marked by how in some matter the BNHA society is worse than real Japan or it’s behind what currently real Japan is.
BNHA was recently finished but it feel like an older story.
So as you said Horikoshi likely didn’t realize he painted a society where they could easily overcome a lot of social problem (because they’ve plenty of money to create and then destroy things) but just decided against it, because he didn’t really see solving those problems as a responsibility society should have.
It’s a society that lacks compassion and that it wants to improve itself solely because this will cause less troubles of itself. The story doesn’t want to help Villains, it wants to stop Villains from being born so that society won’t have to deal with them.
Nothing is done to help Villains, the story have Hawks say he wants Heroes to have more free time.
I’m not criticizing Hawks here, or the kid Heroes, just how the message that comes to pass, which could be nice because OF COURSE THINGS WOULD BE BETTER IF PEOPLE WEREN’T FORCED TO BECOME VILLAINS, seems presented solely as self serving to society.
It’s not out of compassion, it’s to get a better society. Even if some characters feel bad because the Villains died, Horikoshi thought they had to die, that they couldn’t be also physically saved, reformed. He didn’t even think their grievance to society had a real point.
There’s this moment in which Midoriya says he can’t forgive Shigaraki (for hurting a person he cared about, Gran Torino) and Shigaraki shoot back he can’t forgive them (for hurting him), but the story handles these two things like Midoriya is right and Shigaraki is wrong. It’s okay for Midoriya to kill Shigaraki, all the world appreciates it but it wasn’t acceptable for Shigaraki to attack the society who hurt him (I’m saying attack and not kill because this started BEFORE Shigaraki managed to have an official kill tied to his name).
And mind you, I’m not saying it’s okay to go around killing people because you were hurt, but the story just shrug off the responsibilities of who hurt the people who became Villains and only focused on the responsibilities of Villains, as if hurting those who’ll become Villains didn’t matter at all.
So to go back to your point… yes, likely it wasn’t done on purpose but it still tells us something about the story, a story that instead than creating Quirk erasing handcuffs or something like that, preferred to completely tie and close their Villains in inhuman contraptions and violate their human right even harder than real Japanese prisons do without the slightest regret and that rambles a lot about how a kid TURNED HIS BACK ON DECENT SOCIETY only because the MOST POWERFUL BAD GUY IN THE STORY threatened to KILL HIM AND HIS FAMILY if he didn’t comply, basically telling us he should have chosen to sacrifice himself and his family for a society that would have been delighted to bully the life out of him had it discovered he was born Quirkless.
And honestly, that something that’s being said is not a really uplifting message as least as far as I’m involved.
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Some Au I had in mind. I like the idea of a character falling inlove with an outlaw which then points out all the ways in which they themselves are very different from the system they were raised in, and are trying to uphold.
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