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"...fascinatingly intelligent and high-spirited..." "...the only one of Henryās six wives whose marriage to the king was regularly called her āreignā by contemporaries...Ā a major player in the early English Reformation, the beginning of a Reformation unique in Europe in having two women among its leading architects..." "...a devout, intelligent, and determined woman..." "...undoubtedly intelligent, attractive, spirited..." "ā¦an educated and opinionated woman who attracted supporters and detractors in equal measureā¦"
i notice also that AB specifically seems to be spoken of so emotively for (in)actions that seem more like they're politically motivated...she 'tortured' wolsey, well...did she? she certainly seemed to have taken advantaged of, and benefited from, his fall in power. is that the same?
and then another part of me is back to the 'so what?' to the theory cavendish seems to suggest, that she had a direct hand in choosing henry percy to be the man assigned to serve wolsey his arrest warrant (this tends to be the backburner plot of most tudor dramas, btw, including-- more accurately--wolf hall, and tudors-- including the 'silly girl' remark absent the full historical context and technically misdating it also)...
but if the narrative requires a credulity of cavendish, then it requires an acceptance of his portrayal of wolsey's aggrandizement, asw. it requires the acceptance of the "foolish girl" remark...the insult to her family, the insult to percy, in his choice of her, so the insult to her. if it was true, it was a slow burn, and she gave as good as she got.
whatever, i'm putting this badly. tl; dr on it is that in the emphasis of AB's supposed vindictiveness, there tends to be a weirdly unacknowledged aspect (ie, is her vindictiveness reactive or proactive?)
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I'm all for Catherine Parr talking about her experiences as Henry's wife but not at the dinner table, c'mon. That should have been a private scene with just Elizabeth. And did she have to be disparaging to Anne and Catherine? Given she found herself in the same peril as them, wouldn't that inspire some sympathy or compassion for them? And surely a woman as intelligent as Catherine won't believe Anne was really guilty. And even if she did, did she have to rub it in Elizabeth's face like that? In front of everyone? Catherine can say she loves Elizabeth until she's blue in the face but I don't believe her.
Honestly it's a miracle any of these courtier characters survived Henry VIII because they all have ZERO SOCIAL SKILLS
HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS IT TO NOT HUMILIATE A PRINCESS AT THE GODDAMN DINNER TABLE
Lemmings. These shows are about LEMMINGS.
Anya Reiss: i wanted to write a drama DIFFERENT than any other tudor dramas out there bcus i never liked those.
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Alicia von RittbergĀ in Becoming Elizabeth (1.04) asĀ Elizabeth Tudor
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What do you mean with Anne boleyn was the only wife who only wife who had a masculine side to her relationship with Henry?, I dont doubt you im just curious esp since I know that at least some of the other wifes did also from my pov lean into a more masculine side now and then.
I want to preface this with I am not diminishing Anne's femininity, she was very feminine but knew how to use her masculine side too.
In the list of Henry's ministers and their influence, we clearly include Anne in between Wolsey and Cromwell with some coinciding of More, and this is for a large period of time. Anne clearly was able to occupy the masculine sphere and act independently with the same freedoms as one of Henry's male chief ministers would. Even when Wolsey was in his final glory days and in his descendency Anne was privy to conversations between the King and his then chief minister while slowly becoming his successor.
When I said that initial comment, Anne was the only wife Henry initially had no qualms about occupying and allowed and fostered this masculine side of Anne to be present until the full ascendence of Cromwell where the traditional norm went back in place of Henry's wife and minister being two separate roles.
After all, there is also a lot of masculine iconography and objects that are associated with how Henry treated Anne in her rise as Queen Consort, she was created a peeress in her own right with a title related to his paternal line not his maternal line (and we can see both the feminine and masculine versions of the title were used), she was crowned with St Edwards Crown and St Edwards Chair something only King Regnants were allowed to use.
Yes, other wives may have occupied a masculine side but as you said now and then, and arguably when either Henry was away with the wife at the time acting as regent or when they were in Henry's very very good books. None as long as Anne was and not as successfully without outer influences, part of this was she was able to balance Henry's feminine side as well while still making him feel like a man (an awful sentence I know I apologise).
Now, his most favourite wives arguably from my POV were Jane after her death and Kathryn Howard before her downfall who wholly occupied the more feminine spheres of the era one being the perpetual mother and the other being his jewel of womanhood. Henry only wanted his wives after Anne to occupy the feminine.
I have a collection in these theme, sort of...
[...] the next morning, on 29 June, the woman who had given the Tudor dynasty its claim to the throne and steered it safely through the tempests of civil war died at the age of sixty-six. [...] For Henry VIII, one of the most important authority figures of his life was now gone. The day after his eighteenth birthday he found himself a king and husband, responsible for his own family and the entire kingdom, with no parents or grandparents to guide him. A young man who had been 'kept secluded like a girl' for much of his childhood now had to lead an entire country. For all the celebratory verses of scholars like Skelton, More, and Mountjoy, it was a heavy burden [...]
Johnson, L. (2016). So great a prince: England and the accession of Henry VIII

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