Summa Blasphemia

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Who the fuck are you people to decide whether or not something serious had an impact on somebody?

I see you over there whining about "internet hate culture :(" Avalon Rose. Avalon "Sagutoyas was walking around on eggshells" Rose.

Take notes on this situation and understand that these mindsets are exactly the kind of shit Predators exploit to get away with heinous behavior with a capital H.

"There was no proof", you literally have a document with nothing but screenshots, and testimony, from the victim showing that Sagutoyas did in fact prey on him and multiple other minors as young as eleven. The real final nail in the coffin was Sagutoyas ADMITTING that this happened as GlitchedSol described it.

GlitchedSol dropped out of art school because of this. He was assaulted by his father because of this.

You don't get to cry about "oh the internet is so mean :C you folks are evil when you think it's justified" when YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIMS HERE. You inserted yourselves into a situation that you were unneeded in because you wanted an animator for the stupid magic cat story so bad.

You fucktards were the first people to roll out the welcome mat for Sagutoyas, so I hope that fact is used against you for a very, very, long time.

As for GlitchedSol, I genuinely only hope for the best for this guy because he deserves better than this and he should live a happy life.

EDIT: He doesn't go by this username anymore and I don't think I want to share what the new one is because he deserves to move forward from this. He's not just "Sagutoyas' Victim", he's a person with a life and goals and feelings. So I'm not going to share. He doesn't deserve to be constantly looked over with the lens of being Sagutoyas' victim.

I do not care for Modern Warfare 4.

Genuinely. Mark my words there's gonna be no improvement in anything from the previous entries, and the writing will either be mid or complete ass.

I don't think a company that routinely abuses its workers and engages in anti-consumer practices deserves any kind of support. You're gonna get shit games from shitty work practices. Stop supporting this bullshit.

Imagine being so resilient against torture that the literal only way for people to break you is to use literal mind control and an identity replacement method. But. Not even that works.

The real Bell, under all that, in the subconscious, rebels and keeps fighting so they never get the biggest piece of information behind the red door. Even with MkUltra destroying their body, Bell still fights back; regardless of their understanding that that's what they're doing now.

And it's only when Bell gets a literal brain injection with painful chemicals, and almost dies, that they finally see the truth. All the power is placed into Bell's hands right there, this is literally a historical moment that Bell is responsible for.

It was a choice. Adler had no control over what Bell chose to do, and I think that is why they had to die. You can't fully control a fighter, you can only kill them. If they had perfect control over Bell right down to their identity and personality traits, they definitely would've kept Bell around because that's something that is nothing but useful even if Perseus might be gone. A soldier you have full control over and has very useful skills, AND they're very intelligent? Of course, they would keep Bell, despite all this tearing at their body. You think they care?

This does not determine if Bell is a good or bad person. While saving the world is an absolutely heroic thing that someone deserves their flowers for, Bell can still end up returning to being a terrorist or an international criminal if they want to. After all, you can't benefit from your criminal acts if there is no market for them because you killed your clientele.

That's why Bell has such a conflicting role in the series. For Bell to be a good person, they have to own whatever evil things they were an accessory to (because trust me, an organization like Perseus with members willing to torture people would certainly have evil things going on behind the scenes) and work against them to repair the damage as best they can.

Putting them through MkUltra was not holding them accountable or making them into a better person. No one was holding Bell accountable for any bad things they may have done, assisted in, or was silent about despite being a witness. Torture is not accountability.

I can't believe I have to say that, but unfortunately, "what Adler did was justified because Bell wasn't cooperating, and they were a terrorist" is an actual serious take I have seen (one that got a lot of support in that comment section mind you). I hate to be political right now but "Terrorists deserve to be tortured" is literally how we end up with torture camps that accomplish nothing but horrific human rights abuses. There is no scientific basis for torture accomplishing anything in the long term.

I want to be really clear when I say this, I do not support terrorism and the harm of innocent people. Intelligence work is absolutely necessary for these organizations to be stopped. In theory, we need organizations like the CIA and the FBI for the safety of the population. But I do not support torture. I will never support torture whether it be from the CIA or some other terrorist organization. I do not support literally kidnapping people and imprisoning them without trial because that's how we ended up with Guantánamo Bay. (Oh and I don't support my country purposefully getting dictators into power so that they can ruin their countries for generations to come, which then leads to lives being lost or ruined.)

Sorry for that diatribe. Just a reminder, Adler is not a good person there is canonical basis for this take, and he is not the hero in this situation. That honor goes to Bell, and in the next game, Case is the hero.

When I was playing through, it honestly felt like a “lesser than two evils” but both evils just felt insanely terrible! Taking identity, dehumanizing, turning a fellow human (though Bell is a terrorist it doesn’t justify Adler’s actions) is just pure evil. Same with trying to “cleanse” the world with nuclear weapons, to fit your ideology.

But before I get too off track, in the games Bell’s literally a code breaker. So the odds were stacked against them from the beginning. Having a deeply inquisitive mind combined with mental fortitude, makes Bell’s personality/brain patterns an issue from the start.

Plus not to mention, like you stated, there is no solid evidence that torture works to get accurate information. Of course Bell wasn’t cooperating. How much of their mind and body had taken abuse?

Now, honestly, neither sides felt super justified to myself. I hate terrorism and I hate torture. They are sickening to me.

Adler never was a hero. Consistently not a hero.

Same with Parks.

Same with Hudson.

Same with Sims.

Bell isn’t the most mortally sound person. Especially, because of the torture. That shatters someone in a way, thankfully and hopefully, many of us will never ever understand.

Anyways this is grim gun game. In my head, it brought up the issue of, “When does the cost of war stop being justified”, “when is it no longer about the war of defeating the ‘enemy’ and more about causing pain”, “where’s the line?”.

My anti torture stance also comes from actual military personnel admitting that the torture wasn't really for any kind of benefit, it was for satisfaction. That's really all there is to "enhanced interrogation techniques" which is just euphemism for torture. The most successful interrogators are actually usually the ones who are the nicest to who they're interrogating.

Anyone who argues that Call of Duty needs torture to be serious, gritty, and "realistic" are people who don't know what they're talking about. I've seen the "Adler was justified because Bell wasn't cooperating" take from a call of duty youtube comment section. And normally, I'd ignore it because I know CoD's audience, but then I saw a similar take with the scenes of Hudson torturing someone.

And that made me think "huh, it appears as though this game is unironically teaching ignorant people that torture is fine when you want information", which, ignoring how you will never magically know if someone has information you need (again, this is another factor in how Guantanamo Bay happened because none of those people had trials or investigations launched to see if they were actually associated with terrorists or not), as I said there are not a lot of reasons to torture somebody besides wanting your own satisfaction.

First of all get political babes because this game IS political.

Second of all, I wanna clarify I neither agree or disagree, I just think key fact is missing in this conversation about Bell's morality, Bell's choice and whether torture is useful tool or not in regards to this game and Call of Duty in its entirety.

Now, to propaganda. Brace yourself because lengthy rant about colonialism, terrorism etc etc. I'm no specialist keep in mind, buuuuut I have enough knowledge (that you are always free to correct).

But I think I need to clarify a lot of things because I may have failed to communicate them. I did call the CIA a terrorist organization because that's what it is. "I will never support torture whether it be from the CIA or some other terrorist organization." is from my add-on reblog. Another thing I said in that reblog was "Oh and I don't support my country purposefully getting dictators into power so that they can ruin their countries for generations to come, which then leads to lives being lost or ruined."

Yeah, I think it's perfectly A okay to call the CIA a terrorist organization, and I'd go as far as to compare the United States to Russia, a terrorist state. Propaganda filled Media like Call of Duty is dedicated mainly to hiding this simple, historically proven, fact with lies. The CIA is responsible for the current shitty state of a lot of countries including Iran. So, the idea that the United States is "defending the free world" is just stupidly wrong and a lie because if the US had never gotten involved, Iran would not have become the absolute nightmare authoritarian state it is today. Thousands of people who died in that country could've still been alive today, if it weren't for the CIA and the UK causing a coup for easier cheap oil.

All of my posts about Bell, and this one in particular were made with the fact that the entire CoD franchise is pro-CIA, pro-torture, pro western military intervention, pro western hegemony propaganda in mind. That's why I included the section about why torture is wrong in my add-on reblog because if you click on the embed text link, it'll take you to a Wikipedia article about the Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA torturing people and its conclusions on the practice being ineffective.

You are right about Bell's morally grey position in the story being that way because they need plausible deniability for the Americans and other Western agents in the story. Cuz "the Americans kidnapped someone tortured them and then brainwashed them into forgetting who they were, and this person was not guilty of any kind of terrorism" would make the Department of Defense very angry because it sponsors all CoD games. [Whoops that was a little too close to what the US government does in real life!] You can actually see them pussy out of making the characters morally grey in Black Ops 6 because this is a propaganda game and if you are questioning it because of what it's in its own story, it has failed at its job. (As you said, adding in some truths is a strategy for propagandists and bad faith politicians because it makes accepting the lie easier.)

Call of Duty being a platform for some genuinely evil ideas is not lost on me. The entire section about torture is in response to a disturbing mindset CoD fans seem to have about it in these video games. And that mindset is that torture "needs" to be included in these games otherwise it's unrealistic and spineless, and of course the classic, in certain situations torture is okay. This mindset is a direct result of CoD's propaganda, and also other media like it that employs the same thing. Like. This is a clear peak into what uncritical consumption of not only CoD, but Western military media, can do to a person; which is what I was trying to criticize. Because again, as you said, it's not just "the bad guys" (aka US adversaries) who torture for the fun of it, it's also Americans and their allies; there is a lot of documentation proving this. Punitive Torture is not limited to Russians, Middle Easterners, Cartels, and what not-- that was what I was trying to say. All torture is punitive. And 9 times out of 10 US-led torture happens because of imperialist ideals that drive people to see Middle Easterners, Latin Americans, and many more people who are victims of the US as less than human to justify the act. (Also, it's usually racist.)