Hello! I'm relatively new to the fandom, and although I haven't played the game yet ($60 is a lot of money on a teacherās salary), I've nevertheless become obsessed with this ridiculous vampire, so here we are.
This blog is for a) my writing; b) Astarion; and c) my writing about Astarion. (If you see other things on here it's because I misclicked.) I will likely eventually post non-bg3 writing on here, but right now I'm caught in the Astarion brainrot.
My Tav, or at least the one I'm currently writing about, is a female human paladin named Xia.
Xia x Astarion fics:
First Feeding
Midnight Conversation
Dancing In the Firelight
Time Travel (this one is not "canon")
(the names are terrible and I welcome suggestions for renaming them, lol.)
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Astarion has a plan. Of course he has a plan. Only an idiot would say those words without some notion of what comes after.
Heās justā¦working on it. As he goes.
He catches Eleanor off guard, he can see that. She rather looks like he shot her in the chest, but is trying to hide it. How relatable. Thatās one of her charms, isnāt it? Being relatable.
Heās botching this.
āAre you okay?ā she says slowly. Trying to soothe. Him or her, heās not certain and itās likely both.
āOh yes, of course,ā he says on instinct. Flippant, even. Habit. Admitting otherwise could never end in anything but pain and humiliation.
But she sounds frightened. (For good reason.)
āI just,ā he says. He was a magister. Heās talked his way into the trousers of thousands of people, and now he stands in front of one foreign woman, and each word tumbles clumsily out of his mouth, tearing at his tongue and smacking into his teeth on the way out. āI feel. Awful.ā
Everything in him screams. This is a terrible idea. The worst heās had, and that record is long and distinguished. Doing this is stupid. Dangerous. Leads to pain and itās not safe.
But this. This is Eleanor. Those dark eyes watch him so carefully. If anyone couldā¦surelyā¦
More words tumble out. Faster and faster as he goes. āLook. I had a planāa nice, simple plan: seduce you, sleep with you, manipulate your feelings so youād never turn on me.ā
Heās laying it on too flippantly, now. Her shoulders hunch up. The subtle flash of wide eyes and hurt before she slams on her own mask.
āIt was easy,ā he says. āInstinctive. Itās what Iāve done for two-hundred years. All you had to do was fall for it.ā
She trusts him. Let him closer to her than sheās ever let anyone because she thought he cared. That he was interested in her. Sheās so wary of that. And he used it against her.
He canāt look at her anymore. Gaze shifts to her hands, where she pinches and tears at the skin of her cuticles. It makes his chest tight.
āAnd all I had to do,ā he says. His mouth is so hideously dry. More than the usual thirst, more even than that tomb, somehow. His swallow sticks in his throat. āWas not fall for you. Which is where my nice, simple plan. Fell apart.ā
He risks a glance. Just one. Has to see, has to know.
Eleanor. Were he a living man, her expression would have stilled his heart in his chest and killed him on the spot.
Thereās nothing on her. An eerie blankness, almost placid. But he knows masks and he knows her. Sheās shuttered herself. Cut herself off from him completely.
Ice water seems to fill him.
āWhy,ā she says. āWhy startā¦all this.ā
āI needed protection,ā he says. It comes out too forcefully. He needs to walk it back. Paint on a smileānot a threat, darling, he must always be amiable. He doesnāt want to spook her. āPeople donāt trust vampires, perhaps understandably. I needed someone on my side. And seducing youā¦was not easy, to be honest. Iām not used to a challenge like that. So, imagine how stupid I felt when I started to, ah, genuinely feel something. For you.ā
The nights outside her tent, sitting over her and counting her breaths as she slept in those damp, dark caves. Keeping an eye on her during their various scuffles. Trying his best to get a laugh out of her just because the sound is so warm.
Realizing thatās what heās doing.
The way she watches him, listens to him. No one does that. Not like her. He wants, gods damn him. Aches. A ragged hole of a wound long-infected, finally lanced and starting to drain and opening something raw and tender and savaged inside him. Something heād gotten so used to ignoring, he forgot it was even there.
Sheās a flicker of gold in the night. A snipped of a familiar song on the air. A warm hand in his and soft breath on his neck not grasping, not demanding, not taking anything.
Gods, he wants.
Her mask holds firm, though. Heās losing something. Losing her. No, no.
āI,ā he says. He has to explain. Has to find her again. āI spent two-hundred years using my body, climbing onto my back so I could lure pretty things back to him. What I wanted, how I felt about it, it never mattered. It shouldnāt matter. But you. Youāreā¦different, somehow. I canātā¦you deserve better.ā
Deserves more than him.
Her jaw clenches. She blinks a few times, and when she speaks, it comes out in a near monotone. āYou. Seduced me so you could feel safe.ā
Yes! She understands. Of course she would, clever, practical darling!
āExactly,ā he says, feeling a weight start to slide off his shoulders.
But she doesnāt look any more relieved. Instead, she blinks fast. Because her eyes areā¦wet. Because sheās trying not to cry.
The air squeezes out of him.
āAnd, uh,ā she says. Has to clear her throat. āWhen you were, were with me. That was just, habit?ā
āBeing with anyone was a performance. Iām used to that. But itās different now.ā
She inhales deeply. Through her nose. Looks up and, sheās biting the inside of her cheek hard by the looks of it. He longs to reach for her. Touch her. Get her to stop because that hurts, heās hurting her and that thought fills his head with screaming.
āI,ā he says. Gods, he needs air. Heās dead and doesnāt have to breathe and he still needs air. āThatās why you agreed, that first time. I saw it in your memories; you told me.ā
She nods, even as her lips tremble. āI know. Thatās what makes thisā¦did you, at all, want to sleep with me?ā
Of course he did. Heād planned it, hadnāt he? He needed her on his side. But when he tells her that, she closes her eyes.
āLast night.ā Oh gods, her voice breaks, and that snaps something delicate inside him. He needs to run. Needs to stab something, bite something. āLast night, Astarion. Did you actually want to do any of that or were you justā¦you asked if I wanted to, but you never said if you. That you wanted.ā
āI said I needed a distraction.ā He thinks he did, anyway. It was something along those lines, a final push to get her where he needed her.
āWhy sex?ā she says.
Heā¦liked giving her pleasure. Thrilled at her hand, her mouth on him. When she gaggedā¦he hasnāt laughed like that in ages.
But he also watched the door. And he sat, sick and sour, on the floor as she slept.
āI,ā he says. āI donātā¦know.ā
This is what twists her lips into some nightmare visage of a smile. Itās a crumpled, wrinkled thing that hurts him in a way heās not sure heās felt before. Not within the last few decades. Tears finally spill over her lids and she wipes at her face. Nods silently.
Oh shit. Heād done this all wrong. He never should have hoped. Never should have thought for one moment that this would end in anything but dust and ashes, because his life is pure shit. Why should that change now?
(She could have changed it.)
But heās ruined that. Ruined her. Ruined them.
Stupid, useless boy.
āI, I get why you did it,ā she says, voice thick. āI do. I aināt mad about that, Astarion. But. But Iām sad. You shouldnāt have to do that. Not with me and not with nobody. But I didnāt see it. Fucking virgin. I couldnāt tell and I, Iā¦used you.ā
Well, yes, but everyone does.
āCenturies playing the rake,ā he says. āAll the promiscuous jibes paint a picture of someone who would relish the deed. You couldnāt have really known.ā
She shakes her head. āIām too new at this. I donātā¦I donāt thinkā¦ā
Sheās ending it. Itās over. They. Whatever they could have been, is dead. His fault. He can only stand there, all but stripped bare, and wait for his sentence. For his exile. His punishment.
āIf I said that this all felt real shitty but make-up sex would help, would you do it?ā
Itās so unexpected he physically startles. The sick twist in him is nearly violent; he almost stops the flinch. But he searches her gaze. Is that what she needs? Carrying on with the both of them knowing now, would that make it different?
āWould it?ā he says.
Itās the wrong thing to say. Hits her like he used a fist. She takes a step back and all but drops onto the rock sheād been leaning on earlier.
Her mask shatters.
Their capable leader, his darling, is all pain and misery. Teeth bared. She runs both her hands through her hair and grabs and he canāt tell if sheās pulling at her scalp or clawing into it, but he lifts a hand as if to stop her, try toā¦to comfort her.
Stops himself. Because he did that to her.
To think heād fantasized about this very moment a time or two, early on. Cracking her with the truth just to watch her break so he could gloat about it.
Itās horrible. He hates it.
(Hates him.)
āThat,ā she says. Has to swallow. āThatās why. We canāt.ā
Because he hesitated? Fuck, he knows better. He should have pushed through that as always. Stupid boy. Pathetic nothing.
āWe, could work it out?ā His voice is feeble, even to his own ears. Weak. Simpering. All but groveling again (longs for the leash).
But she shakes her head again. Takes a shuddering breath. Looks at him, her eyes wide and wild and hurting. āNo. No I donāt think we could.ā
There it is. The words he knew were coming. The words heās always known were coming. He was an idiot to think it could end any other way. Heās rotten. A moving corpse, feeding off the living. A could touch. A decaying thing. All he can bring is pain and suffering. He can make her, Eleanor, cry. He knows she hates that.
āI canāt really blame you,ā he says. Gods below, itās been ages since the corners of his eyes prickled. Heās stolen enough life from her that heās now capable of it again. How fitting. āWeāve enough to worry about, eh? Midnight chimes and all.ā
He needs to leave. Get away. For her best interest and his own.
She frowns a second, before she stands. Approaches.
He doesnāt think sheāll strike him. She never has, even when he truly deserved it. That doesnāt mean he can stop himself from tensing and leaning away. The moment he does, she stops. Looks at him with such pity he nearly gags.
āAstarion,ā she says. āI care about you. A lot. If you still want it, Iāll do whatever I can to help you. With the brainworms, and with that fuckface vampire I mean to help you kill.ā
But. He can tell thereās a ābut.ā
Onlyā¦it doesnāt. She looks at him. Seems to be waiting for something, though heās not sure what and so stands there, unsure of what to do with his arms.
She takes a breath. Says, āIf. If we wanna start over, as friends. Iād, if you donāt mind, Iād like that.ā
ā¦friends. A glimmer of light in the tunnel heās fallen down.
āThat, um,ā he says. Eloquently. āThat almost sounds like a challenge.ā
āGood or bad?ā she says. Because sheās practical and direct when sheās not deliberately misleading something and she just asks things like that. Like thatās something normal people do.
Not abandoning him. Not throwing him to the side now that sheāll no longer let him provide for her. Sheāllā¦keep him. Without sex. Just as a, a person.
āGood,ā he says. āI think.ā
Sheāll still be here. Perhaps not with him. But he doesnāt even know how to be with someone. Not really. Not an exchange that ends with a victimāheās always imaginedāscreaming and thrashing and dying in the clutches of an insane monster.
Astarion is, above all things, an idiot. But heās a selfish one. And if she extends her hand to him in this, heāll take it.
āIāve had a thousand lovers or more,ā he says. āBut, em. Never a friend. I. I think Iād like that.ā
Be with her in a way heās never been with anyone. Be genuinely with a friend. No manipulation, no lies, no disgust to shove through.
Heāll take it.
She smiles at him, still shaking. Touches the back of his hand. So he takes her warm, living hand in his own and holds it a moment.
Eleanor. His darling. His very first friend.
Heās not sure what he feels. Isnāt sure how any of this works. But heās willing to find out. With her.
I was thinking about how when we meet Astarion he is all about survival ā performing and hiding behind a mask to keep himself safe.
He is being flirty and friendly, often even when you disagree with him.
And I am thinking ā logically, shouldnāt he also try to appear good-aligned to you?
He doesnāt know who these people in the camp are, if he can trust them, or what theyāll do if they learn heās a vampire. One wrong move, and he could end up dead.
Meanwhile Astarion openly and proudly throws around all those cold, sometimes cruel, opinions about using, abandoning or killing others.
I suppose with evil Tav it would be fine, but if he doesnāt know how youāll react, why risk showing that side? Wouldnāt it be safer to pretend kind?
Of course, Astarion wants to look strong, so no one would think to mess with him, and this is how he believes strong people should think like.
But in this group, heās not the leader ā he needs to win the leader over. Someone to protect him, not cast him out. So is he assuming Tav also thinks like that, since they are strong? That theyāll respect the same kind of ruthless survival he does?
And yes, there are other companions with strong opinions that they donāt hold back, like Laeāzel and Shadowheart, for example.
But in case of Laeāzel, she isnāt trying to prove anything to anyone, and she believes sheās strong enough to shut up anyone who has a problem with her. Shadowheart is also masking, but itās not about survival, itās about belonging ā trying to be a good Sharran.
Astarionās approach, on the other hand, can seem almost counterproductive.
Unless⦠When he states things like that, it almost sounds challenging. So what if he is? Challenging you.
Come on, disagree with me, try to argue. You can say all those pretty words about being kind and helping others, but we both know, thatās how this world really works, isnāt it?
And what if, deep inside, he wants to be proven wrong?
What if, by voicing the worst assumptions about the world heās daring you to disagree? To show him a different way. Because otherwise youāll prove what he believes ā what Cazador made him believe ā is true.
So maybe thereās a secret hope behind his cruel remarks and cold pragmatism ā not that youāll nod and agree, but that youāll look him in the eyes and say: āNo. It doesnāt have to be that way.ā
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Lately Iāve been thinking a lot about how Astarion would handle such new things as tenderness and care.
(Also sorry, since I'm exploring EA, I deleted all my previous playthroughs and can't make new screenshots to illustrate this post; So I'll use old screenshots/gifs + the datamined dialogues)
Itās clear to me that in act 1 and for most of act 2, itās not part of who he is.
He doesnāt even pretend to care for anyone, except for himself. Yet, there are only a very few instances which indicate that something is moving inside him and that there is a growing sense of concern and eventually affection (for you and your companions). The first that comes to mind is when you refuse to sleep with him the second times he asks.
Or when you learn about Mystra asking Gale to sacrifice himself; Astarion seems to genuinely care, even though he immediately deflates it with irony.
(the last one is from Origin Gale)
Or even in the creche, if you use the zaith'isk.
There are probably a few other instances showing that he begins to care about you and your companions, but heās still his own prioprity and you canāt really blame him for that; It actually makes a lot of sense, since we all know that no one had ever cared about him before.
Besides when he dared to care about someone else (the sweet boy he tried to save from Cazador, for instance), he was terribly punished for it.
So yes, in Act 1, he doesnāt want to be a hero, and he won't sacrifice himself for others. And he seems to associate being kind and showing sympathy as a form of danger/weakness. His bias make him believe that being kind would probably make him look "too precious", a vulnerability which was mocked/punished by Cazador and probably his siblings (I talked about it at the beginning of this post)
And whatās interesting is that the selfless, uncaring aspects of his personality already coexist with a genuine will to connect with people; Heās not pushing you or your companions away (unless you treat him like shit, of course) ā he shows interest in you, in them, but he doesnāt want to get too much involved. Which again, makes perfect sense to me. He's self-centred but he doesnāt want to be alone, he reaches out, but he doesnāt want to get too close either, because
that would be too dangerous (trust issues included)
2. he wants to remain in control of you, of his own feelings
3. he doesnāt really expect anything from anyone.
Astarion doesnāt pretend to be selfless, and he doesnāt pretend to be caring. Heās used to violence and he himself is rough around the edges because of the violent environment in which heās been evolving for so long. Which can make him difficult to like when you meet him for the first time. He's not gentle. And I like it, it's very good writing, spitting in the face of the 'perfect victim trope'.
Gentleness and tenderness are alien concepts to Astarion. Even if we consider the few gentle target-lovers - like Sebastian - he might have met during those 200 years, I donāt think that would be enough for him to give into gentle love-making.
Dissociation is easier, with mechanical responses to his 'lovers' - be they violent or not, especially since he knew they were doomed anyway. And if most of them were rascals so, better get used to violence and reproduce it to better protect himself.
I canāt imagine the first nights with Astarion in act 1 being particularly tender, and if they were, Iād tend to imagine that Astarion was performing. After all, thereās no cuddle in the morning, he wonāt give into that kind of gentleness because he associates it to 'vulnerability', and it makes sense.
I can imagine a few cuddling nights in act 2, but I think it would be quite exceptional, and would never last long if only because Astarion isnāt used to that kind of intimacy and might quickly feel quite uncomfortable with it.
Still, it could happen. And he probably starts to enjoy it at this point. But he needs time. He needs more assurance.
As for support and care, he's capable of it in Act 2 - it shows in the Durge scene for instance, when he explicitly says "you will get through it. I'll be there to make sure you do."
On the other hand, he's still his old harsh self too in Act 2, sometimes cruel, accepting the darkest choices the PC can make.
Also, the way he talks to you if you donāt get the confession scene by the beginning of act 3 is revealing in terms of how harshĀ he can be even with people he trust(ed).
But with the confession scene, something entirely new and genuinely softer emerges, not just in his words, but also in his body language; the way he holds your hand is most explicit.
But if you choose the hug, it's even clearer.
Obviously, this episode doesnāt instantly change him and turn him into the sweetest partner ever. His kisses are gentle yes, but it's no peak of tenderness. Not only because heās not ready for being 100% soft and vulnerable, but also because he doesnāt know how to. Tenderness is uncharted territory, and intimacy is way too appalling for him to give into that kind of open fondness (yet).
Things begin to change a little in act 3, but again, it takes time. He's capable of showing care, support and affection. He can be vulnerable with you when you show your trust. He wants to be there for you, to be real with you.
...but that's not the main aspect of his personality. He hasn't completely changed overnight.
After the meeting with Petras and Dal he returns to his old patterns of manipulation and pretended indifference. I says "pretended" because it's easier for him to think he doesn't care - it's coping mechanism. One could even say that he's gaslighting himself into believing that he doesn't give a fuck about his siblings as long as he can ensure his own safety.
Desperate situations call for drastic remedies, right? But is it what he really wants? (I'm not saying that he secretly adore his siblings, but I still believe that he's capable of feeling some empathy for them - he feels 'pity' for them, and it's made clearer later.)
His issues with his siblings is that it reminds too much of who he used to be, and the risks of being like them again:; controlled by Cazador. So he plays indifference and bitterness, to keep all those feelings away.
Likewise, when the spawns attack your camp, heās distant again ā a defence mechanism triggered by the presence of his siblings.
(My two cents on this line here)
And yet, we can already see a few changes in his behaviour after you reached Baldur's Gate; he's much more prompt to openly show genuine concern and support to you, when you consider taking Arajās potion, for instance.
Or the way he worries about you if you accept Haarlepās deal:
But that's because it's you. And in spite of this, the selfish and cruel parts of him still exist, because it's his personality and that won't disappear. Funny what he says here of you have low approval by the way:
If you're not close friends, he doesn't actually care, but still warns you. Interesting.
Anyway, if you're his partner, he can explicitly show in public how much he cares about you. And to a lesser extent, he also cares about your companions, especially when he can relate to what happens to them.
The first signs of a growing empathy for others. It's not just about himself anymore.
As for tenderness, itās also growing little by little. First, through words...
...but probably in gestures too. Of course, this point relies on headcanons because the game doesnāt give us much before the graveyard scene. But I tend to believe that Astarion is progressively learning tenderness (in private settings) throughout the third act. I like to imagine both my Durge and Astarion learning about gentle gestures together; holding hands, a kiss that lasts a little longer than usual, a look that leads to a quiet hug, restinig in each otherās arms, etc.
Just like in Act 2, I donāt think they would cuddle every night. I believe that kind of intimacy would progressively take place in their relationship. But before Cazadorās death, I canāt imagine them being constantly et overly tender together (but that's a headcanon).
Now the graveyard scene marks a shift. Again, heās not overly sweet or dripping with tenderness during the discussion. Heās tranquil. Heās at peace. He doesnāt need to perform any grand declaration. But the gentle way he takes your hands, the way he tells you he wants you, he loves you.... TheĀ gentle lovemaking. All of this seems to indicate a slow shift; heās still learning, still discovering affection and gentleness, it's a reappropriation of his own intimacy, and he can do it freely now that Cazador is gone.
Baby steps.
Of course, even then, itās not always easy to express that soft side in public ā itās all so new, there still must be a part of him that feels quite vulnerable about it. So he jokes, it's easier, safer.
And yet, he can do it, he can publicly show his attraction and love for his partner.
And he can even admit how good it feels to love and be loved - but again, he can't help jesting a little, just to look less vulnerable.
It takes time to get used to it, to learn how to enjoy gentleness and care, to learn how to show gentleness and care. It can be terrifying, destabilizing, and confusing. But I want to believe that Astarion and his partner will find their own love language through gestures and words. Maybe there will always be some kind of reserve in public, understandably. But by the epilogue, with that sweet hug, it's clear that heās comfortable showing genuine affection in public.
And inĀ the epilogue he feels bad for your companions who arenāt as free as you are, even if he doesnāt feel like talking to them.
Likewise, heās genuinely happy for them and for the both of you if everything turned out well for everyone.
I could mention many other instances from the non-romanced epilogue that show how much Radiant Astarion cares about the companions.
And yet, as he says himself, darkness is part of him, and violence is still part of his life. He has not become an innocent puppy, he can still be cruel and violent, and he enjoys it.
And I tend to believe that Astarion is not the romantic type like Wyll or Gale, and that his demonstration of love and affection remain quite simple, quiet, even more meaningful in their temperance. Radiant Astarion, although capable of gentleness, remains someone who can also be harsh, with sharp remarks, sometimes hiding his vulnerabilities behind blunt irony. He has discarded the mask of the suave and charming lover and allowed himself to be true to his own personality, and I don't think the latter is the romantic, super kind type. I like my radiant Astarion caustic, sly and feral, while still being able to love and be loved by the few persons he trusts.
And thatās what I love about this character! The nuances, the subtleties of his narrative arc and of his personality, the way he learns and discovers himself and the gentle beauty of genuine love and affection without becoming an entirely different person. Even if he learns to care about others, he will still choose his own safety and sanity over others, he will not sacrifice himself. He's not that kind of hero.
But if you tell him how much he means to you, how much you care, he will support you and show his love and trust in you.
Of course, healing isnāt linear. There will be days during which being empathetic and caring and gentle might seem impossible to him. Some days he might be distant, and maybe even harsh. And itās normal, not just because heās healing but also because there is something selfish and violent in him. Thatās the darkness which is part of him and which he has accepted.
Ā And I think the game manages to show it pretty well in act 3 ā this nuanced and ambivalent mindset, between his affection for his partner or his friends, his genuine will to be tender and vulnerable with the person he loves, and the darkness, the violence, which are parts of his temperament.
This ambivalence is precisely why I love him so much. The unpredictability of his reactions, and the fragility of the healing process, but also, mostly, the way Radiant Astarion is at peace with his own ambivalence.Ā
Why I love the Spawn ending and why it's not "lesser"
Up until now, I've been lucky to stay on the Spawn-supportive side of the fandom, but yesterday, I stumbled upon some Ascendant-supportive interpretations, some of which surprised or even upset me. I want to make clear that my intention is not to point fingers here - I just want to work through my emotions and put the feeling into words, because, honestly, I felt a lot yesterday. Also, I think it's a great opportunity to share my own view: why I love his Spawn ending and think it is beautiful.
Letās go through some points Iāve seen brought up:
"Unascended" Astarion
Iām not sure if this is a unified term for Spawn Astarion, but Iāve seen several posts refer to him as āUnascended.ā That phrasing alone feels invalidating - as if heās lesser or incomplete because he didnāt take the power offered. In a way, it echoes how Ascended Astarion refers to his former self, calling him pathetic.
But the Spawn ending isnāt about not ascending - itās about reclaiming himself. This Astarion isnāt āless than.ā Heās the same man they say they fell for, but now heās free to grow, reflect, and choose who he wants to become.
"Miserable" Astarion
The moment when Astarion breaks down in tears after killing Cazador and then says he feels numb is mentioned a lot.
Thereās a claim that it shows heās miserable and regrets not ascending - in contrast to the Ascended version who laughs and says he feels alive.
But this interpretation completely misreads the moment. That breakdown isnāt weakness. It isnāt regret at having missed an opportunity. Itās emotional, cathartic release.
He just faced the man who controlled and tortured him for centuries, resisted over ultimate temptation with power, and chose to break the vicious cycle. He is finally free - not just to live to but grieve too.
Killing Cazador didn't erase or undo everything that happened, but it gave him space to feel it.
Up until now, survival was taking all the space, but now that the overpowering shadow of his former master is finally lifted, he feels empty, numb.
With that cry, Astarion releases the pain he was carrying for so long, mourning everything that was stolen from him, and feeling the weight of finally being free.
And there is this huge relief that it is finally over.
So he cries - and this is a perfectly natural and deeply human reaction. Crying isn't bad - it's a way to deal with strong emotions.
Meanwhile, the Ascended version laughs, high on power and control, - a very different kind of reaction.
āDepressedā Astarion
Some say that Astarion seems miserable or depressed in the Spawn ending. But what I see is the opposite: heās calmer, more grounded, and more honest. They are concerned because he doesnāt constantly joke or flirt like before. But that version of Astarion - the flamboyant, seductive, constantly smirking version - was his mask. A performance he relied on over centuries to survive.
In the Spawn path, he still uses it from time to time - old habits die hard. But now, with Tav, he doesnāt need it. Heās safe enough to be real - to show vulnerability, to ask for connection, to speak softly and show doubt. Yes, his tone changes. Heās more serious, but thatās not sadness - itās growth that shows in calm self-reflection.
That some interpret as a āloss of charmā is actually him finally lowering his defenses. He speaks softly, shows doubt, asks for real connection and allows himself to be seen. Thatās vulnerability and real strength.
Well, of course, he can feel sad too. He needs time to process. And that's how the healing starts. It can't be a 100% nice and pleasant experience - it will be painful, ugly, even - but in a necessary, honest way, with shaking and tears. But you need to get through the thorns to reach the stars.
"Rejecting" Astarion
Thereās a moment in the Spawn ending where Tav can offer to protect him now that heās still a vampire spawn, and Astarion gently declines. I saw someone interpret this as a sign of distrust - that Astarion canāt forgive Tav for denying him the chance to walk in the sun, and that heās pushing them away to protect himself.
Yes, Tavās wording may come off a bit awkward - āIāll protect youā - but I believe it is said out of love: a sincere attempt to comfort and reassure.
And Astarionās reply is a gentle refusal. He accepts their care, but sets a new boundary. He doesn't seek to rely on someone strong anymore - he wants to be his own protector, because now he believes he is enough.
Thatās the new strength he found in rejecting the stolen power promised by the Rite.
"Strong" Astarion
Thereās an idea that the Ascended path gives Astarion power and confidence, while the Spawn path leaves him weak and miserable.
But that confidence? Try asking Ascended Astarion about his past - about Cazador. He snaps. He doesnāt want to talk. He lashes out.
Spawn Astarion, by contrast, can talk about it. He faces it, even when it hurts.
Ascended Astarion might have new powers, but inside, he is weaker than ever.
He might look invincible, might say all the pretty words about being in control, but heās emotionally cut off. Heās angry, reactive, guarded. He doesnāt want his past mentioned because it still owns him. Why? Because he became its embodiment, continuing the wicked cycle of power-seeking and domination.
The powers gave him control, but cost him everything else: his softness, his openness, his ability to grow. He becomes what he used to hate, and thatās not freedom - thatās entrapment by another name.
I think the tragedy is that Ascended Astarion no longer believes in love or trust - only in power, and the illusion of safety it brings.
In contrast, Spawn Astarion chooses trust: in himself, in Tav, in friendship, in this world. He chooses life, with all its mess and uncertainty.
Yes, he has limitations as a spawn. But don't we all have them, one way or another? These limitations don't make us less valuable. And yes, he mourns them, mourns the sunlight and everything else that was stolen from him. And that's human. But it doesn't mean he regrets his choice. He embraces what he can have: love, freedom, real connection, the chance to shape his own path.
And it is very brave to learn to face your shadows and work through them, so they won't hold you back or make you feel bad about yourself. It can make one stronger and more compassionate toward other people's weaknesses. It reminds me of this quote that stuck with me when I saw it:
"Do you understand the violence it took to become this gentle?" (Nitya Prakash)
Astarion isnāt āperfectā in the Spawn ending. Heās still learning, still healing, still growing. But for the first time in his life, heās doing it on his own terms. He is not rid of his wounds and uncertainty. The Ascended path is covering the scars with glamor and denial. But these scars donāt make Astarion someone less, they make him real. And his choice - to remain himself rather than become someone he used to hate - is strength, not loss.
The Ascended path closes its eyes on the inconvenient moments, unable to handle them. Believing that version of him is happy and content is doing the same - painting castles in the sky instead of looking at the radiant in its messiness truth.
"Humbled" Astarion
Another criticism I saw was that Astarion thanks Tav for being patient with him. And trusting him "when it was objectively stupid."
The argument was that he shouldnāt feel grateful for being ātolerated,ā that this shows low self-worth and implies an unhealthy dynamic where love is conditional.
But loving someone āas they areā doesnāt mean you resist their growth. You can see someoneās potential and want this for them, but still cherish them in every stage of becoming. Patience in love isnāt about wanting to fix your loved one - itās holding space for them while they are looking for their way to their better selves. It's about seeing someone with all their flaws and wounds and staying beside them anyway. Not closing your eyes and pretending everything is fine.
When Astarion says āthank you for being patient,ā itās not self-deprecation, it's recognition. Itās him saying: "I know I was difficult. And Iām so grateful you stayed."
Astarion was still discovering who he was. He believed in a cruel system, and it took time, trust, and care to step outside it. Itās a deeply vulnerable moment of acknowledging that he was in the process of relearning who he truly was, beyond what Cazador told him to be, shaking off centuries of trauma and manipulation. And it takes immense courage to face it.
So Tavās patience is a form of love. A love that doesnāt rush him. That looks beyond a mask or performance. A love that quietly waits beside him until heās ready. When Astarion says next that he feels āsafe and seenā, it's everything. Heās not being humbled in the sense of being diminished or broken - heās grounding himself.
Astarion gains a deeper understanding of himself - the freedom to feel everything fully and still keep going. Thatās not being less. Thatās becoming whole.
And yes - this humility is strength. A strength that the Ascended Astarion refused. He cannot grow, he's entraped, frozen in a performance of power, unable to confront or heal from the pain that shaped him into what he chose to become.
But Spawn Astarion can move forward. Thatās why his āthank you for being patientā means something. Because he finally knows himself. Or at least starting to get to know himself. And he chooses to be loved as that man.
Conclusion
The tragedy of the Ascended path is that Astarion loses the one thing he fought so hard for: himself.
He doesn't believe in love anymore, only in power and control. He inherited the world that Cazador painted for him.
But the Spawn path is about choosing to live. To feel. To love.
Astarion chooses to leave the past behind and start again. To face uncertainty and shadows as himself, not as a vampire lord.
And hearing someone rob him of this, invalidate and pity for this choice... honestly? It hurts. And yes, I do feel angry about it.
I do try not to blame or disrespect people who see this so differently, but it doesn't mean I can't have emotions about this. So I needed to vent in the most civilized way possible.
Still, no one can take that from him, our Radiant Hopeful.
I've reached that point in my replay where, after facing the Emperor, you can suggest to your companions to use the Astral-Touched tadpole.
And when talking to Astarion about it, I couldnāt shake the feeling that this moment in a way mirrors another fateful choice he is going to face very soon ā the ritual.
Astarion: That was before I knew the cost. Before I knew it meant transforming into some grotesque beast.
Astarion: I remember how it hurt when I turned to a vampire. My body writhed and warped while I was utterly helpless, the grip of death owned my heart as it beat its last.
Astarion: I- I donāt want to turn into anything else. I canāt do that again. I canāt watch my body be taken over.
Even earlier, after killing Ketheric Thorm, I took a screenshot of his reaction, because I had the same thought: heās disturbed by how power, no matter how great or formidable, can change what you are.
āThe transformation Ketheric underwent was⦠horrifying. So powerful, but so grotesque. There was barely anything of the man left, even before we finished him.ā
Of course, both in that scene and in the tadpole conversation, he speaks mostly in terms of his body. But I think there is something deeper than that ā Astarion doesnāt want to lose himself again.
Just think of it: if he is so afraid of losing his body, how much more devastating would it be to lose his inner self?
Being turned into a vampire doesnāt just alter your body: it changes your mind, your instincts, your very way of seeing the world. Vampires are undead hunters who prey on others, drink their blood and live in pursuit of power and control. That can't be your daily routine without the transformation reshaping you into someone different.
Even in the game, we hear that from Astarion himself, and while he speaks of true vampires with clear disdain, we can still see those desires reflected in him, too.
After his transformation and 200 years of slavery under Cazador, he can barely remember who he used to be. That bite didnāt just make him a vampire ā it stole his identity.
Now that heās finally beginning to rediscover himself, the idea of losing it all again ā of becoming something else ā is terrifying.
So yes, I believe these moments subtly guide us toward understanding Astarionās feelings when heās faced with that final choice between power and freedom. He doesn't yet know that the ritual will transform him again ā we don't know it, not the first time we play.
dksksks sorry i just saw the on-fire szarr palace art from you in the for you feed and i just wanted to share the way ive killed cazador in all of my runs because.
step 1 collect every barrel you can find
atep 2 spend half an hour making a pile
step 3 give astarion a smokepowder arrow and tell him happy birthday
step 4 it will be raining chunks of cazador for the next three business days
The "happy birthday" is such a nice finishing touch ā¤
I admire your dedication to get rid of the bastard like it's new year's eve - with a bang and fireworks. It's raining man, motherfucker!!
Astarion needs a bath. A rather an entire barrel of blood. Preferably in that order, though at this point, heās not picky. His body still throbs with phantom pain, the memory of that woman tearing him apart from the inside.
Heās going to kill her. Slowly. Take her apart piece by screaming piece.
There is something wrong with his foolish, naive leader, however. Likely the crushing guilt of letting those goblins go and winning Astarion a gruesome death.
His head still feels odd, now that he thinks about it. Which isnāt too bad, as far as coming back from the deceased could be. At least this time he awoke on his back under a supernatural haze with the faces of his team of idiots staring down at him, rather than inside a box, buried under six feet of dirt. He got to sit up and complain and didnāt even have to grovel at the feet ofā¦well. It was better, this time.
He trails his oddly silent leader up the stairs. Her face was horribly blank last he looked. Not even in her usual way, when sheās thinking or bored or plotting a murder. There was a tightness about her eyes, and thereās a slow stiffness to her limbs as she climbs. But her pulse remains normal, so she canāt be too out of sorts.
He wonders if heāll be able to guilt her into something for him.
Then they reach the roomāhow very kind of the cleric to give him some privacy to get himself cleaned up (again). His dreadful, devoted dunce goes in first, leaving him to close the door behind himself.
She takes a few steps into the room. Stops. Stands there, with her back to him.
He regards her for a moment. Then crosses his arms, sighs, and says, āSo, what have we learned?ā
He only intends to bully her a bit. That beast of an orc killed him and heās entitled to some retribution.
But she doesnāt answer. Her breathing stutters, as if sheās been kicked in the gut, a sort of ga-ga-gasp. She follows that with the tiniest sound. And promptly turns to face the closest wall, all but shoves her face against it, and chokes.
Itās not a loud sound. Itās actually very short. He might not have paid any attention to it were she not shoved against the wall like an imbecile.
āDearest,ā he drawls. Itās no fun if she doesnāt engage.
Her shoulders hunch in. As if sheāsā¦making herself smaller. Which, given that sheās not a small woman, should be funny.
Exceptā¦except thereās something wrong about it. A wounded animal movement that draws his attention like, well. Like a vampire to an easy meal.
It nearly reminds him of how heād try to curl in, chained on the floor of the kennels, because a dead part of him remembered the urge to shield his vulnerable middle.
āDarling?ā he tries. He starts to reach for her when a new tremor shudders along the lines of her shoulders. She pants. Hiccups. Gasps again and goes quiet. Sheās trying to hold her breath, but her lungs keep hitching. And sheās got her hands cupped around the sides of her face so he canāt see her expression at all.
But the tendons in her neck stand out as if she were lifting something heavy. Or if she wereā¦screaming. Silently.
Because making noise attracts nasty things. She knows this. He knows this.
āLover?ā That one should get a reaction out of her. If only embarrassed hand flaps and a blush. But it doesnāt.
She tries to breathe a few times, stuttering both in and out. Manages a rough, āāMfine.ā
She. Isnāt fine. Is she. Sheās not fine at all.
āAre, were you injured?ā he says. He smells no blood. She didnāt have a limp and the cleric said nothing, but he was dead. Who knows what happened after that foul beast murdered him.
His leader makes another sound. Itās awful. Like it tears out of her, spilling through clenched teeth, high and tight and hurting.
Oh. Oh yes, he knows what this is. Has witnessed it in his siblings. Has done it.
It makes himā¦feel. It shouldnāt make him feel. But it does. His plan, his successful seduction, the way his chest tightens when he looks at her. If he doesnāt acknowledge that, then it canāt exist. Canāt be real.
Thereās no reason (he will name) for her pain to affect him. He ought to wish her well and grab a set of clothing and head off to the bath to clean himself up. A month ago, he would have.
A month ago, he was barely away from that bastard, hadnāt tasted the blood of a thinking creature (hers, given freely, so practically). Hadnāt saved her or, fine, been (disgustingly) saved by her. Hadnāt seen her chew through the throat of a gur hunter who had all but captured him. Hadnāt watched her turn down a burgeoning god of seduction (melting the thing in the process). Hadnāt found her in the stumbling dark of a magical blindness and trekked halfway through the Underdark with her stories filling the horrid silence around them.
He hadnāt kissed her (and rather liked it). Hadnāt held her (soft and warm and too afraid to touch him back). Hadnāt sat next to her, fully clothed in the first bed theyād found since the ship crashed, and done nothing but read a book to her. About a plague.
He does not leave her to her own misery. He doesnāt even laugh at her. He justā¦stands there. His skin itches on the inside. His muscles twitch with some nameless need to do something. Heās not even sure what. He looks to the door. Tries to will himself to take a step. Just one.
But his treacherous feet stay bolted to the floor (like a command, like an order and that is why he canāt do this, canāt be this, canāt feel this).
She gasps again. The tiniest scrap of a sob on her voice as she thumps her head against the wall.
Shit. Shit bloody hells.
āEleanor?ā he says so softly heās sure her mortal ears wonāt catch it. But he mistimes itāof course he doesāand it lands right in the middle of her holding her breath again.
She flinches as if he struck her. And he canāt let himself examine the feelings that thought dredges out of the muck of his soul.
āDarling,ā (yes, much safer), āperhaps youād be more comfortable moving away from there, hmm? Since we do have a bed?ā
She doesnāt answer. Unless one counts āa barely controlled collapse to oneās knees while hiding oneās faceā as an answer.
His palms tingle. He has that thought again, of doing something. That isnāt stealing her pack while sheās distracted. He doesnāt like her like this. She should be, well, sheās usually quiet. But in a judgmental kind of way. A silent watchfulness. The furrow between her brow and the slight arch when someone is being an idiot and sheās trying not to say so.
Notā¦this.
Damn all the hells. He has no idea what to do. His bodyāusually so lithe and maneuverableāencases him in dead muscle and rotting bones. Itās an awkward thing, suddenly. Unwieldy.
He thinks of kneeling beside her and patting her shoulder and saying, āThere, there.ā As they do in mummeries or copper novels.
He searches his tattered memories for something better. Finds nothing suitable. Ends up kneeling beside her and patting her shoulder and saying, āThere, there?ā
She does not lift her face, wet with the pretty kind of tears maidens in mummeries do. She does not throw herself upon him to weep delicately over his bloodied armor (itās coagulating and starting to dry off into large, disgusting flakes).
What she does do is make a sort of bleating sound. A laugh, he realizes after a moment.
And then. She lifts her face, finally. Turns to him.
No, sheās decidedly not a pretty crier. Her face is swollen and mottled, her wet eyes bloodshot. She swipes at the spit on her lips and gives a broken, painful looking smile.
Says, āI know, right?ā
Which, what in the hells is he supposed to do with that? So he does nothing (looks again to the closed door). But she catches it, this time. Her face crumples even as she nods.
āYou go on,ā she says, voice thick and lungs still stuttering. āProbably needs to be warmed up, but I gave all my money to the Walking Dead.ā
It takes several moments for that to mean anything. Withers.
He doesnāt quite remember being dead? Not in any detail. Remembers only dark and silence. And an ancient voice thrumming through him, āBy doom and dusk, I strike thy name from the archives. Rise.ā
Then breathing. Clawing. His body jerking to (un)life for the second time and the churning, screaming panic as he searched for those polished, leather boots, for the awful, crushing vice on his mind of the master.
The cleric had mentioned his leader had given the desiccated corpse all her gold to revive him. As she should, seeing as it was her foolish decision that got him killed.
Theyād gotten that gold from the tollhouse, after the wizard exploded that awful creature. She had a ring, near the beginning of their little fiasco. A childās toy, with a childās cantrip on it. Sheād said it was the first jewelry sheād ever owned. In her entire life. And she gave it up to the wizardās consuming orb.
She has nothing but the clothes on her back and some potions, doesnāt she? She gives away everything else. Sometimes to vagabond children, but the rest of the timeā¦
āGo ahead,ā she says. Turns her face away and scrubs at it with her sleeves. āIām good. Iāll get my shit together while you get cleaned up.ā
Dismissing him. Heās free to march over to that door and not come back until she re-secures her own mask.
She would know better than anyone her own state. Her capabilities. And thereās no reason for him to stay (there isnāt, and that traitorous voice inside him will kindly shut up if it knows whatās good for it).
But.
Butā¦
Damn it all. Sheās not good. He knows she hides her emotions. He even knows why. Itās a perfectly sensible reaction, amongst people who would take advantage of such a weakness.
Yet the thought of him being someone she needs to hide that from (no). It, it prickles (no). He doesnāt care for the notion (he mustnāt dare, itās not real, itās not).
That bastard is leagues and leagues away. Astarion has an illithid tadpole nibbling at his brain, but it also keeps that brain free of any crushing orders. He can make his own decisions. He can choose to stay here, if thatās what he wants to do. No one can stop him.
āPlease go,ā she says. Gods, she sounds hollow. Pained. āI got you killed. You don't gotta s-stay here.ā The stutter worsens. āD-donāt gotta coddle my st-tupid ass. You fucking d-died.ā
āYes, I did. And Iād rather not go through that a third time, if you please.ā
He means it to be a joke. He can make her laugh sometimes (what a marvel).
This time he misses entirely. She crumples again. Sinks down to her knees, shoulder against the wall, and tucks her chin in. She so badly tries to hide her face from him. āIām so, so s-sorry.ā
Heā¦
Astarion has been hurt by others. All the time, really. Almost everyone, the rest of them being dupes or fools. Heās laid on his narrow bunk in the dormitory, or curled on his side, naked in the kennels, and dreamed of hurting people back. Grabbing them by the throat as their eyes bulged. Ripping their throat out with his teeth, their hot blood a phantom dream, as they gurgled and begged for mercy which he would deny them.
But she. Eleanor. She apologizes to him. Not even this time, but others. Even when he (fine) might have technically been the one at fault. She just hands them out like sweets at a festival. Like it costs her nothing.
Like he deserves them.
It upsets her when heās hurt. Not because it denies her anything, but becauseā¦becauseā¦
She cares. For him.
She truly cares for him, doesnāt she? More than a target of lust, more than a convenient dagger or a set of lock-picking tools or even a good fuck.
She asks him to read to her, by the hells. She laughs at even his bad jokes. She listens to him. Values his opinion. Gives him her blood while refusing sex (until recently) (and even then, she didnāt even find him attractive until she said she knew him) (he canāt let his mind go there).
Sheās upset like this at herself. Because she got him hurt.
Sheās this distressed for him.
āIā¦I donāt know how to be here,ā she says. Wipes furiously at her eyes and he knows that will only make it worse. āEverythingās soā¦so fucked. I donāt know what to do.ā
She hurts for him. Hurts so badly she canāt even breathe right. She gave all her money for him (which, yes, is only fair, but still). Sheās cracked apart like this and trying to hide it for his sake. To spare him.
How does she exist?
(why couldnāt this have happened centuries ago)
āTo be quite honest,ā he says, his mouth moving of its own accord because he certainly didnāt plan this, even now panics as he sucks in another breath to continue. āNeither do I.ā
She sniffles. Poor thing desperately needs a handkerchief. But a quick glance around the room reveals nothing of the sort. And he suspects whoever is left to maintain this place will be cross should he take a knife to the bedding to fashion one.
āAre you okay?ā his darling leader says. On her knees on the floor, blood vessels burst in her eyes from holding in her own agony, and she still seeks his well-being.
It warms him even as he fights himself not to recoil.
āAside from being covered in my own blood and rather hungry,ā he says. Means it, again, to be light-hearted. But her gaze sharpens.
āYou need blood?ā she says. Looks to her snotty sleeve. To the arm beneath, with the faint marks of his teeth still lingering on her wrist.
She's going to give up her blood. Even after all this. Her first thought, what she seizes upon is something to help him.
Gods, his plan has worked spectacularly.
Gods, he feels ill.
Yet blood is blood, and his gaze locks on the proffered arm. On the blood he knows pulses beneath that warm skin of hers. His mouth waters as his fangs ache.
āIf youāre offering?ā he says. Because he canāt help himself. Can do nothing about the hunger clawing apart his insides even as he wants to vomit.
She sniffs again. āOnly seems fair. Sinceā¦ā
She seems to want to finish that sentence. But it gets caught up. Starts the tears again and she seems so determined to avoid that. She instead clears her throat and attempts a smile. āWanna let me clean off my face? And you can take a bath?ā
To dine like civilized people.
(Take advantage.)
āIf thatās what you prefer,ā he says.
(Another target.)
She nods. Searches around, he suspects, for something like a handkerchief.
(Another victim.)
āI can forgo warming the bath water, if you can,ā he says. āSpare the coin and all.ā Only her shoulders slump in some fresh misery.
(Naive.)
āMaybe theyāll take an I owe you,ā she says. Reaches for her bag. āMaybe I can pawn off something. Thereās that merchant lady out front somewhere.ā
(Foolish.)
She barely owns anything at all. Yet sheāll give up more? For him?
(Idiot.)
(Soft-hearted.)
(Gullible.)
(wonderful)
Heās not even sure at this point which of them is the bigger idiot.
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