Hello :DDDD

YES I HAVE ACTUALLY!!!!!!! you guys ever think about how joyce didn’t believe david was being a surveillance creep until max said something about it AFTER chloe? she doesn’t even need any evidence, just max’s word was enough to convince. it takes Max, after 5 years, to come back to arcadia bay and tell joyce that david is an asshole for joyce to start believing her. and even then joyce tells chloe to shut up after she gets one snide comment at him, as if she hasn’t been through years worse.

joyce says she moved on from the past, but i think she idealizes it just as much as chloe does, she just copes differently.

when joyce talks about max, it’s “beautiful young woman” but when it comes to chloe it’s “speak of the devil” that’s your daughter??? sometimes joyce makes it hard for me to believe she even Likes chloe.

joyce just. so soso clearly puts herself before her daughter. and max, infuriatingly, never once questions joyce for that.

max is the suck-up, people pleaser when it comes to adults, and chloe is the brash, rebel. and that is perfectly shown in their dynamics with joyce.

neither is inherently wrong but i am Very Surprised that chloe never holds joyce’s high pedestal of max against either of them. it’s actually pretty telling of her character. uhhh something self hatred something also puts people on pedestals ex: max.

i’ve been saying max was joyce’s golden child for ages… but i never quite considered chloe as a scapegoat specifically, but i think you’re right.

everything wrong with chloe is chloe’s fault, and everything wrong with max is often chloe’s fault— and also max’s fault for not Fixing chloe.

"I just don't think anybody is good enough for you... besides me."

not only does it suggest that he Knows the dark room has sexual elements, (even if jefferson may say otherwise) but it also shows that it So deeply ingrained in nathan’s head that he can and should control women.

his motivations are all about control, we know this: doing whatever he can to gain more and more of it to compensate for his horrible mental health and insecurity.

so of course he would jump at the opportunity to control what all of american society tells him is easy to be and should be controlled by him: women. especially women who fight his control (rachel, chloe, max, and arguably even kate). women who stand out from the crowd that piss him off for one reason or another. usually because of his insecurity.

that’s also why!!! he likes victoria!!!! she doesn’t push against him. she supports his ideas of complete control and domination of everyone. she is the tradwife to his redpill. Joking. kinda