it's incredibly validating to see all these transmascs attesting and agreeing to the thoughts I had in response to the stealthing discussion ^^
for real đ
like I didn't think I could become an even stauncher transfeminist but wow it's happening
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it's incredibly validating to see all these transmascs attesting and agreeing to the thoughts I had in response to the stealthing discussion ^^
for real đ
like I didn't think I could become an even stauncher transfeminist but wow it's happening

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i am a transmasc person with very long hair and a beard. I wear lots of jewelry and my favorite color is pink, Iâm not particular about only wearing âmenâs clothingâ I just kind of wear whatever I want on any given day. And I STILL mostly get read as a cis man particularly after having had top surgery, and often these days when I do experience transphobia from a stranger itâs actually more likely to be from someone mistaking me for a transfeminine person and reacting accordingly. There have been times in which people have used masculine terms for me with a sort of air of aggression that makes it really clear they think theyâre misgendering me. Which makes me furious, not so much for my own sake but on behalf of whatever actual transfem this person is going to run into who will be actually hurt by that! I hate the ease with which I see other guys whoâve had similar experiences go âhaha, itâs gender affirming!â Itâs not, really, I donât experience euphoria at the suffering of trans women. Itâs really, really frustrating to me to see other transmascs act like we donât have access to male privilege. Iâve been out for a really long time now and have been through a lot of different stages of presentation and passing. And Iâve been keenly aware every step of the way what a different experience Iâve been having as compared to my transfem friends. It doesnât erase the horrific and traumatizing experiences Iâve had with transphobia as well. Iâm just not experiencing transmisogyny on top of that, and that matters immensely. Itâs palpable.
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idk exactly how to put this because quite obviously nobody ever has to want to have sex with anybody, and you donât really even have to explain or justify that. sure, totally. but idk! I did once have this idea of myself as a lesbian who would never at any point interact sexually with anyone with a penis. and then, like. I learned more about who can be a woman and the types of bodies women might have. I learned more about all the types of different sex people can have, regardless of the types of genitals they might have. I found myself attracted to trans women, regardless of the types of genitals they might have. I got in the habit of thinking of my sexual partners as individual people with their own unique bodies and preferences rather than as sets of physical attributes and associated actions!!! And I just kind ofâŚâŚ got over it? Sometimes I feel crazy because I just donât think itâs that big of a deal like at all! Again, again, always, nobody ever has to have sex with anybody they donât want to! Trans women donât have to have sex with ME!! I just do think itâs worthwhile to like⌠examine how your preferences work and if theyâre actually in line with your principles (not talking to you, of course, but to the weirdos whoâve come into your inbox declaring theyâll only fuck people of a certain AGAB). For me, I found an immense cognitive dissonance between calling myself a lover of all women vs what I was doing and saying in practice, so I examined that. And I feel my life is richer and better for it. I wish more people were at least open to the idea that maybe they have a limited view of bodies and sex and sexuality and that maybe they could be having a better time if they examined that instead of doubling down.
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the anon about feeling validated by support from tmes has me returning to thoughts ive been wondering for a while: i am tme, and i want to support trans women more, but am afraid of falling into an unintentionally harmful mentality. kind of like the way men act as 'white knights' towards women, or the whole 'white savior' mentality. i dont know what the equivalent would be towards trans women. ive been trying to listen, learn, and share online, but i struggle to make friends thus do not participate in local queer communities (if there even is one by me?) and, ive been rather oblivious to the extent of transmysoginy until recently. do you or any of your followers have thoughts on what tmes can do to uplift trans women, and where any lines might be in terms of letting our privileges get in the way? is there any idea on what is the healthiest way to support trans women online and in-person, without creating unhealthy dynamics due to tme privilege? especially since i want to be a participant in-person local communities and activism later. personally, am going to start online and get a grasp of whats best, and prioritize/trust the voices of trans women. im sorry if any of this is confusing or ignorant, either way my current priority is listening, learning, and uplifting my sisters however i can, and however they all need and want.
I don't have anything to say about this off the dome, but I will think about it
what I do want to say right now, however, is that we don't exactly have a lot of genuine allies in general right now, and at the risk of saying some words I'll eat, I'd rather have loads of clumsy allies who are genuinely trying (albeit ones who are open to feedback and criticism!!!!) than a small few perfect ones who are afraid to act lest they misstep
the truth is our numbers are small. we need allies willing to guard dog for us
we both know you can't be rehabilated.
My hot take: it wouldnt be fatphobic to declare that you dont want to sleep with fat women bc sex is not political activism and bodies are not public resources
no this kind of thinking lets so much bigotry fly because people don't just declare things out loud for no reason, even if they happen to be true. like if you really just don't want to sleep with a particular minority group then what is your motivation for declaring this out loud? your reason is obviously not just "I have a fact about myself to share for no reason at all"
you may have noticed that even if someone is flirting with you, they have not actually handed you a form to fill out to provide feedback on everything you think is unfuckable about them. you can literally just turn them down and spare them your bullshit
anonâs explanationâ that âsex is not political activism and bodies are not public resourcesââ doesnât match the claim. itâs the answer to the claim of âwhy its not fatphobic to simply not fuck fat women or not want to fuck fat women.â which is true.
but thats not what they said. they said: âitâs not fatphobic to declare that you dont want to sleep with fat women.â which is a different thing altogether. a wrong thing, might i add.
publicly declaring that you dont want to fuck fat people, making a point to say that to fat peopleâs faces, being all loud-n-proud about itâ that absolutely is fatphobic! thatâs not just wanting or feeling or choosing whom you want to pursue etc, thatâs quite literally making a statement. and like mousidy said, people dont just make statements apropos of nothing for no reason.
cis women really don't want to accept that the reason men treat them the way they do is because they are systemically and socially empowered to do so, because that means there is no real difference between them and a man when they treat trannies exactly how men treat them
there's no inherent magic to men that makes them uniquely capable of oppressive violence. it's the social and systemic class they inhabit. it's the systems that enable them to perform said acts
you don't have an inherent special magic to you either. you also inhabit social and systemic classes that enable and encourage you to enact violence on trannies. you're not different
"I'm only attracted to afab people" is just shorthand for "I don't know what a neopussy is, and if I ever knew that id seen one I would look for something 'wrong' with it."
It's shorthand for "I'm a transphobe but I've learned if I say the quiet part out loud I loose my social standing"
It's shorthand for "I learned progressive language but Ive never even considered meaningfully changing my worldview in any way, that sounds hard"
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if I may I'd like to soapbox in here for a minute
I'm a trans man, and being told I'm oppressed because of my 'femaleness' or that my gender isn't the same as a cis man's or that lesbians are attracted to my agab or WHATEVER is the most aggressed upon and violated I have ever felt.
cis people have NEVER made me feel so misused and vulnerable as my own community telling me I am weak and sexualized and cannot be a 'real (cis) man' because I'm afab. YES I experience misogyny. NO I don't want a stranger to keep fucking rubbing my nose in it because they think I'm not woeful enough about it because I know I can perpetuate misogyny too
and this isn't nearly as fucked up as the way they're (we're) abusing trans women and transfeminine nb people. but for the record, this isn't benefiting anyone, not even the people it's meant to benefit.
I'm a man, with all that entails, including the responsibility to respect and show up for women in my community, to atone for what other men have done and continue to do. I'm a fucking man. if TMRAs don't see me as one, that's their personal business
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"Ableism tag on Tumblr be like: 80% Radical Disability Advocates complaining about anyone who isn't disabled". "Transphobia tag on Tumblr be like: 80% Radical Trans Liberationists complaining about anyone who isn't trans."
Do you seriously not realize how you sound? In what way is this not transmisogynist?
[seeing a cis woman upset after a cis man called her a hysterical bitch] omg why are cis people always infighting?? gender norms oppress all of them, they should be fighting together :3 cis women need to stop making such a fuss and be kind to their brothers
"Why are they fighting when they could be kissing instead!"
i support trans people but im only into cis women and maybe afab nonbinary people. i donât know why thatâs a big deal. if you go on dating apps thereâs also trans women saying they only want to date cis women.
not everyone is pan
me: "I don't give a shit who you're attracted to but you don't have to go up to minorities and announce that you find them unfuckable"
anon: "this gives me an idea"
being as i am an idiot, and having been one my whole life, i just wanna say that i find it very easy to do nothing, and go nowhere. i eat chocolate late at night in the dark. i stand in the garden also. and iâm often waiting for something to happen. and iâm stupid.

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I genuinely donât understand the cishet obsession with justifying not wanting to fuck people. I have plenty of friends who have hit on me and I turned them down because I found them unattractive. I didnât however explain why I turned them down I just said no and everyone was fine with it because saying no is a completely reasonable response to someone trying to initiate a sexual or romantic relationship. Why do cis people have to go âwell I donât fuck tranniesâ every time they have to turn down a transfem.
EXACTLY
transmisogyny is misogyny exhibit #74728277383: everyone loves to announce how unfuckable they find us
Sorry but Iâm exclusively attracted to afab people. I wasnât sent to conversion therapy twice as a teenager only to have people on the internet guilt me into trying to like people assigned male just like the Mormon counselors wanted. I will always advocate for trans rights but this kind of rhetoric will only hurt you. You cannot guilt or coerce people into sleeping with you or rather, you can, but you shouldât.
I've been wanting to unpack this particular terf argument for a while but I'm not even sure what I wrote that you could be responding to here. yes it's bioessentialist to see trans women as our assigned sex before what we actually are, but that fact alone does not obligate you to sleep with anyone
it would be fatphobic to announce that you don't want to sleep with fat women, and someone simply calling that out alone would not constitute pressuring you to sleep with anyone you didn't want to
it's not carte blanche to announce all the minorities you don't want to sleep with and aren't attracted to
also I promise you there are quite a lot of trans men who do not want to be told how attracted to their "afabness" you are. your obsession with people's government sex assignments is gross. spare us your essentialism and just don't fuck people you don't want to fuck it's that simple
the fact that some trans men call themselves lesbians is not a blank check for you to reduce them all to their agabs. it's disgusting. stop