i understand where you were coming from with your skintones post, but as someone who has the "jaundiced" skin color, it was really disheartening to see it treated as a difficulty or an anomaly rather than a "legitimate" asian skin tone. i get that the tutorial was meant to be simple. this does not change the fact that there was a better way to get across the message that yellowish skin can be considered racist without outright dismissing people that have that skintone or scaring non-asian artists away from drawing olive skinned asians. you took multiple sentences to explain red/brown undertones with the other examples. you took the care to say "most asians" are this way or not this way, so that people understood that there could be exceptions to this and also how drawing someone with these skin tones could be perceived. but there was none of that consideration or explanation for olive undertones because you wanted a snappy, witty one liner to end your tutorial.
yellowface/yellow peril and the historical implications of being colored sallow or yellower than the average person in art does not exist solely based in color and honestly Never has. it has always been the slanted eyes. the flat face. the buckteeth. the rice hats and cues. it may be the origin of the name, but skintone is the least important thing about these caricatures. it is a combination of skin tone + facial features + choice of clothing / physical shape that usually determines whether a portrayal of an asian character is racist in that way, but just drawing an asian character using that skintone if all of those other aspects are given due consideration, that isn't racist. that's a real skintone that exists and should be treated with the same care as you gave red/brown undertone skin. overall i think it is a net positive that asians are advocating for how they'd like to be drawn but respectfully i think this one was a miss
1) As I said towards other people that I do appreciate people pointing out the "jaundice one" bcos my screen color can skew things. That's bad on my part and I always clarify. I do want to add that if you use ONLY my "bad example" it would also break if an asian characters is shaded properly.
(Disclaimer: I tried finding olive skinned examples in general for the far left, and the ones next to it are asian olive skin colors I tried to find that is similar to my "bad jaundice" drawing. There are others that I tried to find as refs but they all look more brown or orange and I want to be very fair).
I tried researching olive skin color and even tried to match it with my "bad example". Yes some of the models have very similar hues but notice that what makes them shaded differently than the "jaundice" are the other supporting colors which are warmer. Because our blood is red, and the parts where there is more blood would make it appear more brown or orange. These combination of colors are what differs the left one with the examples of Asians with actual jaundice.
You can even see some of the lighter shades in the jaundice one may overlap with the light/base colors of the "normal" olive skinned examples. But what sets them apart is the warm orange and brown that accompanies it. Which was my original point and I'm sorry if I don't specify this further on that post.
There are even examples closer to my "jaundice" doodle guy but, again, they still have other warm and brown undertones to not make it look like actual jaundice. Meanwhile my doodle guy barely had its blush change and the hue only gets slightly darker. Someone who doesn't have a niche for color theory may make the mistake of coloring it green, as darker yellow on the canvas would look similar to it.
My original post tries to inform a quick tip that most Asian blush or shading falls to WARMER or ORANGE/BROWNER shade because that's the general distinction we have that sets us apart from the PINKISH hue of WHITE people. One example of discourse right now, is drawing Markiplier, a visibly Half Korean man, and whitewashing the guy as if he has the same tone as Ryan Gosling. They both look like they have light skin but Mark has brown or warm undertones accompanying his overall skin color.
2) For your explanation on what makes something a racist caricature feels off. Dismissing skin as one of the most important parts of a racial caricature kinda defeats the whole point of what a caricature is because it's used to target every single aspect of racial minority. Racists don't care if skin with olive or yellow color exists, they're using it to generalize and demonise it.
By your logic the "donut lips" that anime tend to use in the past (and even now sometimes) for black characters isn't "racist caricature" just because other racist traits aren't included. Or the greedy banker stereotype for Jewish caricature isn't racist without the exaggerated nose.
Skin color in particular has always been used against people all the time, and saying that's not a part of it feels wrong.
