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TADC AU where the main protagonist and main antagonist interact or have some kind of relationship in a meaningful way outside of the events of episode 1/the pilot.
Showtime feels like a crack-ship you'd ship of two different characters from two different medias because "They have so many interesting parallels and they sound like they'd have an interesting dynamic!"
Except they're both from the same series, and they're both the main protagonist and main antagonist. They just barely interact in any meaningful way.
I feel like I'm losing my mind the more I think about how Caine and Pomni are obvious parallels to each other, and how Pomni's empathy and Caine's lack of but want for understanding and empathy are a huge part of their identity as characters.
And yet they never have any meaningful interaction in the series proper outside of the pilot and Pomni triggering Caine's trauma and meltdown.
Person who hasn't watched the show but thinks the teeth are neat checking in:
What I know of the show is from my periphery as someone who watches other indie animation or absorbed via osmosis from friends who had it as a hyperfixation at one point or another.
The hype around episode eight piqued my interest. The little teeth man is throwing a tantrum? He's baby, actually? I didn't know he was baby like that. Maybe I'll give the show a proper watch once it wraps up.
But with the finale hype, I keep seeing people upset by the idea that he's dead-dead or calling theories that he's still alive, "cope." For what it's worth, that hadn't even occurred to me as a possibility.
Obvs, I don't know y'all's show like that. Might render what I'm about to say worthless. But, if it helps at all... As someone who writes, teaches, and works on fiction developmentally for a living... Y'all optimistic fans don't need to be ashamed of your optimism. Ending that's character's arc with season 8 would baffle me, personally.
Anyway, I've got twenty-ish minutes to kill and this is hyperfixation adjacent for me so... I dunno... Here's some rambling...
I know this was inspired by IHNMAIMS. Love that. Love that short story. Don't know if it would have hit the same had AM vanished completely from the narrative before the climax. And I know it's not 1:1. It's the most delightful fucking idea to me that you have AM who "can't wonder" but hates humans for not granting him the capacity to marvel at a bumble bee vs. Caine who was made to wonder but is actively discouraged from it because the way he wonders is "wrong."
He's not the main character, but neither is AM. Even if he's already fulfilled his role as antagonist, if he's a parallel to AM, he's still the setting. AM encompassed the planet. He was the world the main characters lived on. I wouldn't anticipate a complete downer ending where these characters slowly drift into the void... Or an ending where a different character just, for old time's sake, recreates some abstract circus borne of a brain tumor... Or an ending where a show called Digital Circus with themes of finding purpose in a stagnant existence doesn't end in... ya know... a digital circus.
Then you've got all these world building cliffhangers. I see Jax featured heavily in the marketing of the finale and know Pomni has the red and blue color scheme going. I still can't fathom a scenario where a character who has been your antagonist and entire setting until now doesn't factor in at all.
I know I've watched a scene where making someone feel unloved and unwanted is one of the worst things you can do. And, again, haven't watched the entire show, but if that's one of your themes, you don't undermine it by having it apply to all but one character. Especially not a character whose motivation is tied to a longing for love and connection. Especially not if you're taking time to show just how important it is to that character but haven't had other characters acknowledge and interface with that need in a meaningful way.
Caine's can't be a cautionary story, because he's not analogous enough to a real life scenario that warrants being doomed by the narrative. If there's a theme in the show that his arc being an utter tragedy would add value to, I'm unaware of it.
I'd seen some of Gooseworx's work before this. She does weird. I also do weird. Weird isn't profitable. If I want a roof over my head and food on my table, I have to compromise. A lot of my work I write to market. What I teach or work on developmentally with a team or ghostwrite is what someone else likes.
Maybe I've got the wrong read of the character, but Caine doesn't seem like an abusive parent-coded stand-in or as an artist with the fatal flaw of not being able to handle criticism. (I mean, he can't and it's a flaw but not one that's satisfying if punished by fucking death.) He's a child who was told the one thing he was good at was art. But then he did art wrong. His art was too weird, so he was locked away in a box.
Breaking out of that box meant cannibalizing more palatable ideas and trying to fake it til he made it by compromising with the world for the right to even exist and take up space. He's an anthropomorphized artistic drive, the most literal take on an artist's creativity being intrinsic to their purpose for living. He's already going out of his comfort zone to appeal to those around him. Compromising more based on their feedback isn't a solution. It's not criticism that can be constructive if they fundamentally dislike his entire genre. Using their suggestion box ideas to ghostwrite what they want SUPER isn't a solution. The only positive outcome would be the humans harnessing their own creativity in that space and using it to make the art that speaks to them. (Weird art/bizarro/surrealism is my life, but I understand most people only like it in moderation... If at all. Skill issue, imo, but it's whatever.)
Unless this is some very nihilistic tragedy about art itself, there is no narrative value to be gained by continuing to punish the embodiment of weird fiction in a show that IS weird fiction. And weird fiction that, at least from the outside, looks comparatively tame compared to other work I've seen from Gooseworx. Indie animation doesn't really feel like a space to inject an ironic statement about art being packaged into something more palatable.
I could ramble more, I'm sure, but I ate up all the time I needed to kill so
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Wait- Since the characters are _confirmed_ to be mind files, that means they can be deleted like Caine. And remember how there was bunch of theories/fanart of Caine being trapped in the recycling bin?
As a Caine fans though, I stay disappointed of how isolated he still is at the end. Again no I don't say that torturing the cast is ok and that hes owed an apology but he still wasn't considered as a person and his issues just had him realizing it alone.
Which mean that the other don't know about it and supposedly will never know with how this happy ending don't let us know if it happened
He listened to other at the end, he get love in a healthy way but I just don't like how it's solved in the 15 last minute of the show?
The heart to heart discussion that could've made them make amends and understand each other better was just solved by "ok we leave you a chance" like??
In general Caine had the least screentime to the point that or straight up forget him in development and analysis of the characters and the cast have realistically no reason to trust him because they don't see the hurt he have gone through to lead him to be that way.
Like. He's a person too.
He was unique with his conflict between wanting to be loved without knowing that the love he chased after isn't healthy and feeling frustration about it.
Oh also about that actually
Wasn't that really easy to just make Caine anger something he should've just removed from his brain all along?
And Kinger being his creator also didn't mean anything at the end. Their interaction aren't long enough to mean anything. He was the one who could talk about what happened to him, the one who knew all along
Again no I don't say that what he did was justified.
But he still was made to feel unwanted and unloved when he was thrown in that box and it's from there that everything started.
Finally his complexity and potential was just extinguished.
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I cannot be the only Caine fan that (while happy that he got his happy ending), is sorely disappointed in how they handled his arc in the finale. I feel like I'm losing my mind seeing other Caine fans go "Oh it was actually perfect and beautifully done and tied up everything nicely"
It was so rushed. It was so, so rushed. And while I'm happy he got his happy ending, it felt more like a participation trophy than an actual reward.
Regarding your last post, I was baffled too when I read that take! Not even speaking on the whole redemption thing and how it was handled in the very little time they dedicated to it, how bad someone had it should not determine how much they deserve redemption. Absolutely not.
And if we want to play that game, how is being born as an βobjectβ, gaining sentience by accident, being locked away by your creators and living life as a limited being not incredibly traumatic? Thatβs psychological horror in my opinion.
Again, trauma is not a competition and it does not make anyone more or less deserving of redemption.
Exactly!
(And this is a personal thing) But the way that they wrote off Caine's own trauma is what especially pissed me off. Obviously I'm a human, not a sentient AI experiment, but like- I heavily relate to Caine because of how he's dehumanized and treated more as a tool than a person. That fucks with how you view yourself and the others around you heavily, it hurts a lot. Alongside other things that Caine has faced.
Which is why that person's take pissed me off so much, and what bothers me more is that Jax had friends around them who were more than eager to help and guide them. Caine literally had no one for the same amount of time, and yet he still was made to come to that realization on his own.
Saying that Caine has "less trauma" than Jax and therefore is "less worthy" of a redemption is the most asinine take I've ever heard in this fucking fandom.
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