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tlirsgender

We need more women characters who are Male Protagonists. You know. Slightly haggard. She's splashing cold water on her face and gripping the edge of the sink staring in the mirror for a minute. She's coping badly with her deadwife

tlirsgender

Ok listen I get that people tagging posts with men is a rule of physics on this hellsite but it's kind of bizarre how badly some of you have failed the assignment on this one. A generic male protagonist archetype who is a man is nothing. That's just the normal cliche I'm talking about subverting. What?

tlirsgender

Like if you are For Serious headcanoning your blorbo as a trans woman I am kissing you on the head. But I KNOW most of you are not doing that. Come on. For one dollar name a fictional woman. No being a loser does not make him a woman try again

#me doing this to barbara gordon #hehe

three-semicolons

Okay so, I know everyone and their mother has seen this panel. And it is very funny.

BUT. Now that I’ve just come off the original Teen Titans run, they all seemed quite progressive (for the time), Wally included.

This could be gleaned from:

Opposition to war during the Vietnam war era

Opposition to anti-immigrant rhetoric

Aiding the reclaiming of stolen land from native peoples

And even the less plot-relevant but still pervasive themes of tolerance and acceptance, both of then-modern culture and the hippie movement. Silly, I know, but genuinely contentious.

So I’m not quite sure why it was established that Wally was some hard conservative. Maybe this was always a thing? While I’ve read a lot of Wally in the context of team books, in Titans and later in the 90s JLA run, I’ve never read much in the way of his solos. It just doesn’t strike me as consistent.

iconuk01

There had been a bit of friction between Kid Flash and Red Star in his only previous appearance. Kid Flash made it clear he didn't trust a Communist "superhero".

So I think they're just amping that up a bit, to add a little depth to Wally, who had never really had that much done to develop his character in the past. (NTT #21 is the first time I think any Titans discuss their religious beliefs. When asked if he's religious, Wally replies "I guess so. I don't go all the time, but I believe." and Dick says that "I haven't thought about it much")

His conservative phase didn't last long but then, it was something like 1982 and Reagan was on the ascendant, so perhaps Wolfman felt a less liberal POV was an interesting way to go?

grazztthedark

The only other time I can remember Wally's conservative characterization coming up is to contrast with the liberal Pied Piper in his solo book. Especially when the latter came out of the closet, right while Wally was in the middle of a homophobic diatribe.

iconuk01

I'm not quite sure I'd call it particularly homophobic, especially for 1988, and the first actual coming out as gay said out loud in a Big Two mainstream comic We'd had subtext and hints all over the place of course (Byrne with Maggie Sawyer, Claremont with... well.. everyone) , but even Marvel's Northstar wouldn't publicly describe himself as gay until 1992 in a far more laboured and tortuous story than this one.

So Wally is being a bit of an asshole definitely, but more out of outdated assumptions, than actual ingrained homophobia (at least the way I read it, YMMV of course)

Wally's discombobulated reaction is hilarious (and one I think many people who come out get from at least one person), and it's clear Piper knows that Wally isn't being homophobic,, juts a little surprised and he'll get over it, but that doesn't mean Piper didn't LOVE being able to blow Wally's mind like that.

grazztthedark

Oh yeah, for its time it isn't that bad. They were going to include the f-slur in children's movies for the next few years, so Wally's little bit about gay supervillains isn't really going that far.

That said, I think it's still fair to call it homophobic. Even by the standards of the time: Wally clearly realizes the things he's said are pretty insulting to his friend, which is most of the reason why he's so eager to get out of there. So even Wally, at this moment, understands that he's crossed a line. Hartley, for his part, has probably dealt with worse.

Honestly, the word I regret using is "diatribe". A diatribe is more of a monologue, and Wally is clearly trying to include Hartley in his little "Which supervillains are gay?" game. The fact that he doesn't take the hint that Hartley doesn't want to play this particular game is part of what makes the whole scene so fun when Hartley decides to change the script on him.

iconuk01

Those are eminently fair points :)

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vintagerobin

Wally really wasn't characterized as particularly conservative prior to Wolfman's writing of him. Like, within his first few appearances in The Flash '59 there are such plot threads as "you shouldn't judge someone based on cultural practices that are unfamiliar to you" and "disabled people can be capable and reliable friends", though this is at the very beginning of the 60's so 1) most of these stories while well meaning are very clunky and awkward about it and 2) there's Red Scare propaganda as was very common in comics at the time.

In Post Crisis Flash writers very quickly start undoing that aspect of Wolfman's characterization, until eventually you get such things as Wally pointing out to his dad when he says something fascist. However Barry is fairly consistently characterized as conservative, and Wally wouldn't necessarily openly disagree with him out of respect.

#tbh having characters with opposing viewpoints is interesting #its kind of boring if Everyone in your universe completley agrees wit the author.#also; THE JOKER GAY spotted in the wild! wahoo!!

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prokopetz

You know, when I've remarked that a lot of the responses to my posts feel like people are just plucking out keywords they think they recognise based on the shape of them and replying to what they imagine the post says based on that, the possibility never occurred to me that this is actually how many American schools are currently teaching kids to read.

prokopetz

Like, my assumption this whole time has been that when folks go "I misunderstood this post that says [thing] as saying [unrelated thing] because I mistook [word] for [completely different word that happens to start with the same letter]", that was a bit. What do you mean they're teaching kids a reading method that's tailored to produce this exact error?

buggyhuman

Three cueing. Once you learn about it, a whole lot of very frustrating online discourse with US Americans makes so much sense 😭

For decades, schools have taught children the strategies of struggling readers, using a theory about reading that cognitive scientists have

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If you were taught to read with the three cueing method, and now struggle to read fluently, you can still learn to read properly!

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If you're a teenager, you can still use this resource.

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secondarysimp

I Worshipped You.

akagicyrusl0vr69

This is canon btw I'm the cake

voidvanityfair

Who stole his jet

prokopetz

"Toxic yuri" is a very context-dependent term because half the people using it are clearly picturing some sort of subtle psychological warfare and the other half seem to be describing the girl version of whatever is going on between Batman and the Joker.

fallout-lou-begas

if you'll consult the graph

#the girl version of batjokes #so toxic yuri #anyway #yes

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grocki

sci fi is all about getting so scared and ripping tubes out of yourself. people miss this

grocki

sci fi is all about desperately trying to reclaim your violated bodily autonomy. it’s all about asserting that you are a being with agency, and you can choose what happens to your own person, even if that’s ripping tubes out of yourself. and also sometimes an alien is there

butch-king-frankenstein

unfortunately this comment a TERF made on one of my posts is genuinely hysterical

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sugar-petals

hot take in a roundabout way i think that's also why so many of us opt out of becoming parents ourselves

advanced-passenger-train

Does anybody know how to fix it

rosslynpaladin

Start disappointing people and not backing out of it when they are upset, reject feeling ashamed of everything including of yourself, start saying No to things you do not want to do not just things you're scared of, do more of those things you're scared of but wish you could do, make your own plans and execute them, decide to do or not do something without basing it on who will Dislike it.

Free Will takes practice, and the chance of making someone somewhere Slightly or even Very Disappointed In You. But you're an adult and you can't be made to stand in a corner anymore.

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