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Obi-Wan is a prime example of how self-hatred is still fundamentally a self-centered endeavor. He is intensely self-critical and believes he’s in the wrong by default and guess what? It doesn’t help him improve as a person or help the people he loves. It does the exact opposite, in fact, because each time he loses something or someone important he makes the loss about himself. I have known Obi-Wans in real life (and I’ve definitely been one myself at times) and they are incredibly frustrating to be around because any criticism you have for them gets thrown back as “yes true I am actually ontologically evil” and then the problem doesn’t get solved. Worse still, Obi-Wan’s instincts are generally good! He just habitually does the opposite of what his instincts tell him because he’s too afraid of himself and I just need this man to stop wallowing in self-pity and go be a good person instead.
#Obi-Wan knows he has a problem or does something bad. But then he only doubles down on it #Both out of pride and self hatred. Is a form of auto-sabotaging ppl aren't used to. At least not in fandom spaces #Because is less sexy. #Because is less useful in fanfic. #Because this can't be cured by “I love you”s. #Obi-Wan knows there are people who care for him and love him. That's not his problem #His problem is that he doesn't want to be loved nor want to love. He wants to be perfect and dutiful and follow the code. #He wants to be stoic and selfless. He wants to let go of Anakin. He wants to be be a average Jedi. He doesnt want to be Anakin's brotherda #He wants to forget Qui-Gon Jinn he wants to feel guilty. He doesn't want to mourn. He wants to blame himself for Anakin's fall #He doesn't want to admit Anakin is alive and he left him to suffer. #Obi-Wan is a man full of contradictions. #Because the Jedi doctrine is Simply wrong. #And almost every Jedi fails at it one way or another. Because every Jedi has someone they cared for. Someone they love and they shouldn't #It doesn't matter if is platonic or filial or just love for life. It really doesn't matter. #And that's why Obi-Wan is ironically the perfect Jedi. He encompasses everything what's wrong with them and everything that makes them good
Quick, Obikin/Obi-wan fan daughter or Projedi son
Uhmm, definitely Obikin daughter
The boy is beyond salvation, girl is just very annoying but at least can be talked to still, even if the conversation will be kinda boring
People in Star Wars fandom will say stuff like "I support women's wrongs!" And "We need more complex women!" And then on the same sentence hate Ahsoka for being Annoying, hate Satine because she was mean to Obi-Wan once, and hate Padmé for being Padmé.
I'll never get people who hate Satine, like What did she do. With Ahsoka you can argue that she's Filoni's babygirl and might be getting too much attention recently (I still think she's fine in TCW), and people have weird issues around Padme just because they want to hate Anakin But what did Satine do??? 😭
less obi-wan needed in general
"no literally tho, we don't need him so much" (c) @just-an-awkward-rat

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"vader didn't actually bond with luke and only saved him because luke reminded him of padme," wdym, they're literally the only characters in the entirety of star wars that can communicate and read each other's minds through the force because of how strong their familial bond is.
lmao the way i ALWAYS expect that nice vader | anakin fanartists are obik*ns so i just like (and save the fanarts) and scroll right past, it's a bit of a difficult fandom to exist in :')
For real thooooooooo It's kinda crazy how widespread obikin as a ship is, that it's almost low-key expected of you to like it? Hell, before I really got into Star Wars and watched all the movies properly I thought I will be a fan of this ship Then I watched PT and Obi-Wan as a character kinda put me off, and his behavior in RotS was just unacceptable to me, and then I watched OT and it became worse, somehow It's wild that just based on fanart and the way people talked about Obi-Wan and Obikin I expected to like the character and the ship, and then while watching the movie I felt like I was somehow falsely advertised to Wasn't a massive disappointment since I got into the fandom just for Vader initially, but it's weird it happened at all??? Like, it's both widespread and somehow unanimously misrepresents the characters, a lot And you're almost expected to agree and like it, by the majority of fandom on specifically tumblr at the very least Really is difficult at times.....................
Shaking in my boots why is that every time i see a cool ass fan art of Anakin or Vader they're allways an Obikin shipper STOPPPP
As much as I love Luke, people really flanderize his character into pure goodness and pure perfection and a 100% flawless moral compass, like he isn't a little freak who's literally Anakin 2.0 but with better chances of a good life because of the environment and values he grew up with
In fandom content Vader is less obsessed with Luke then he should be.
And Luke isn't obsessed with Vader basically at all, we should be fixing this yesterday

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Vader slowly corrupting and literally seducing his morally idealistic and pure-intentioned son is cool and hot, but
Also consider Luke, who knows exactly what he wants, making his father, who only loves him in a familial fatherly way and simply wants what's best for his son, cross one of the few moral boundaries he has left
Consider that Vader is only bold and decisive when it comes to matters he's competent with, and he's still awkward and almost shy when it comes to personal matters
Consider Luke going around with the biggest scary dog privilege because Vader acts so timid and subservient when it comes to his son
And Luke's mentality being just flexible enough to justify breaking Vader's moral compass just a little more, after all it's all just to make father feel loved again
Mixing things up with some good, sort of personal news: I was accepted into a small local zine dedicated to Star Wars, and I'm excited to actually draw something other people will see printed out (as well as having a book with my drawing in it, yay! and even some merch and other people's amazing drawings too) I will, of course, be drawing Luke and Anakin, which is doubly exciting because I feel guilty for not drawing them more together, and now I have the motivation to do so (nothing shippy, but I'm happy to just draw them on the same picture) Whole two pictures with them potentially, oh my And also one with Luke because I love Luke. I'm also contemplating making a separate page just for my art, since a lot of people seem to subscribe just for that, and I don't want y'all to endure everything else going on here just for that The only downside is me being able to post only the backlog of my older arts now, since I don't draw as much as used to (or as I'd like) But, well, maybe it'll still be better for a lot of yous to not have to endure my rambling
"Luke can love his father without being attached", when I tell you one of my neurons outright shortcircuited
Luke can also ignite a fire without flame, and have a cake without eating it
Attachment isn't love. Attachment refers to the possessive feelings or acts someone has over another person. Like an object or how the person themselves feel about the matter. Luke love is altruistic in nature, he wants what's the best for others and his father, that's why he wants him to leave the dark side.
Luke is making a huge sacrifice, he's giving up his own safety for the sake of others. He's willing to die. That's not an attachment.
Says the guy who supposedly ships them, while also denying they have any ounce of care for each other in canon Bruh, figure yourself out first before entering discussions about characters
luke does not have to be attached to love vader.Is Vader who's possessive and greedy in his love.
Literally don't even dare to tag this as vaderluke, dude.
One thing that self-proclaimed pro-jedi people consistently fail to realize is that love is impossible without attachment, and this is exactly why jedi think it's bad Because jedi are a religious order shaped after real life religions with no reflection on them, and they're therefore susceptible to same pitfalls of reasoning The fact that jedi prohibit love, since they view it strictly as danger, exposes them as people who, at their core, are not good with self-control, emotional regulation and communication, and cannot navigate such relationships safely without risking to "fall to the dark side" They are afraid of love because it's unstable, because it makes you prioritize some people over others, and they see it as "unjust", because it compromises their "neutrality to all matters" and their position as "humble servants" (reminder that jedi actually forbid use of the force for trivial matters since it's disrespectful, according to their religion) Their solution to this complex feeling is to avoid it, so it never clouds their ideas of what is right and wrong But this is unpleasant to think about for an average pro-jedi person, since it goes against their view of jedi as this perfect religious order who has collectively reached spiritual enlightenment and therefore is exceptional at those things (as if highly religious monastic orders were ever paragons of healthy relationships in real life, but I digress) This requires them to rethink meanings of words and invent explanations as to why some love is good and some love is bad, and how you can actually love someone without really caring about them at all At this point there's a need to "sterilize" love, distill it from strong emotion, make it "safe" and "palatable", make it adhere to the jedi views, and demonize "possessive love" that jedi "actually prohibit", and by "possessive love" they mean person's need to prevent other person's death, since it is a manner of control, if you think about it, it is after all selfish to want your loved ones to be alive This is a deeply unhealthy mindset to have, since it's an extremely self-negative outlook on basic human need to care for other humans and to be connected to other humans, but you'll never see pro-jedi people admit to that They will argue that actually love is welcomed, but only when you aren't affected by actions of other people, as long as you cannot be impacted in a negative way by them (or positive way, since it tips your impartial view of the world and makes this person more important) - you're good to go It's somewhat disturbing, really Watch someone argue so vehemently that this is the correct and morally good way to approach relationships with other humans, when it casts doubt on any motivation of yours to do good for others, since it's based in your selfish want to see other people happy It also requires you to emotionally isolate yourself in order to not be affected by other people's actions towards you What a lonely way to live, surrounded by people who won't even care if you simply disappear one day Never seizes to amaze me, the mental gymnastics people go to to justify this line of thought only because jedi are a religion, and religion can't possibly be wrong or have strange opinions on human nature No religion would ever prohibit something inherently human that's actually good and healthy No religion ever would force you to experience guilt over something as simple as function of your brain and body Right?
Starting a collection of people coming into the comments of this post to present me exact arguments I'm analyzing, as if dismissing my (admittedly very surface-level and opinionated) analysis and repeating me same things ad-nauseum, while addressing none of what I actually said should somehow add to the conversation
It's almost fascinating how they recite them without batting an eye on me trying to analyze why they're making those exact claims, and sort of proving my point that they're compelled to do so mostly due to reasons I listed
"Luke can love his father without being attached", when I tell you one of my neurons outright shortcircuited
Luke can also ignite a fire without flame, and have a cake without eating it
Attachment isn't love. Attachment refers to the possessive feelings or acts someone has over another person. Like an object or how the person themselves feel about the matter. Luke love is altruistic in nature, he wants what's the best for others and his father, that's why he wants him to leave the dark side.
Luke is making a huge sacrifice, he's giving up his own safety for the sake of others. He's willing to die. That's not an attachment.
Says the guy who supposedly ships them, while also denying they have any ounce of care for each other in canon Bruh, figure yourself out first before entering discussions about characters

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first base: psychosexual obsession
second base: torture
third base: holding hands
you know, probably the most incomprehensible thing for me regarding fanon's obi-wan is not even his eternal woobification, but the fact that he is always made so extraordinary in everything, as if the very fact that he is not the main character offends people
obi-wan has suffered more than anyone in the world, obi-wan is the kindest and most heroic person in the galaxy, obi-wan is a space jesus, obi-wan is the most important person in anakin's life, and in everyone's lives, and the force itself loves him more than anyone, really — for me, all of this makes little sense because in his setting obi-wan is really such an average guy
i don't see the point in giving him a tragic backstory or heroic deeds in the supplementary materials, because his story is simply not about that. in the main story (g-lucas' movies), he is one of a thousand jedi raised in the same environment, with the same customs and values, in the safety and privilege of the temple on coruscant; he doesn't have any unique personal code or worldview. obi-wan is called the ideal jedi, but the truth is that being an ideal jedi means being a perfect cog in the system and following the code without question — and watching the movies, i can easily imagine that there are probably hundreds more such obi-wans behind the scenes; and this is not me being mean to obi-wan btw, it's just that he's the token jedi, he shares his flaws and shortcomings with the rest of the order
i also can’t say that obi-wan suffered in any special way or suffered more than anyone else: he shares his trauma of losing the jedi order equally with yoda and with the hundreds of the jedi who survived order66. his trauma of losing a master or losing an apprentice to the dark side is also nothing unique within the franchise: the vast majority of characters lost a parental figure in sw, yoda's apprentice turned to the dark side. and i don't think raising anakin was traumatic for obi-wan; no matter how much people insist that he was left with the most troublesome, problem child, that's far from the truth, and the experience was more traumatic for anakin, really
obi-wan is also not the hero of the story; he is the archetypal failed or wise mentor, depending on the trilogy. in the prequels, obi-wan is just an ordinary jedi, even though his abilities are far above average, but his lifestyle, beliefs and worldview are, again, quite ordinary. after the loss of the order, he took on a new mission and spent 20 years training in the force and observing luke skywalker; but he did not try to rebuild the order himself, did not help the rebellion or the surviving jedi in any way, and did not try to personally kill vader or sidious. his role in the story is to train and fail anakin, to train and lie to luke, because these two are the main characters of the saga, not obi-wan; and there is nothing offensive to obi-wan himself in this, each character has their own role in the story and that's okay
and this actually makes sense when you remember that obi-wan is the han solo of the prequel trio, as anakin is parallel to luke, and padme is parallel to leia… which is why i believe if you start your analysis of obi-wan with "he's the most/only [thing] in the galaxy," you're already super wrong about obi-wan as a character, alas
The biggest tragedy of Obi-Wan Kenobi is everyone else insisting he's unique and special, when he's just A guy