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I just keep seeing praises to him all over, including things like this
And when I was going to watch this show, I expected him to be a lovable decent guy the fandom obviously loves
But I guess every character made in Obi-Wan's image is destined to share his woobification, because he's the worst character of this show and I just do not get how people warp him into some nice and caring father figure
He didn't even learn to see things in the force to help Ezra - he literally abandoned Ezra the moment he went blind, didn't even speak to him, to the point that Ezra felt so lost on how to actually get better that he started asking advice from a sith holocrone just because it was actually teaching him stuff
He didn't try to restore his vision himself or find any way to somehow see, because I guess jedi are ableist and hate prosthetics (see: Anakin being "not a human anymore" because he has prosthetics, according to the jedi) and his religion literally is against that, and adapting is for wusses, we would rather sit and sulk, and ignore our "wife" and adoptive "son" to the point that Hera needs to tell him to just tell Ezra he doesn't blame Ezra for what happened
He stumbled into his vision restoration by accident when an ugly digimon decided to show up like a piano from the bushes and teach him, and after that he was bitching at Ezra for a couple more episodes before they went back to doing pretty much nothing to actually make Ezra into a jedi, like they did before
Is that seriously your perfect father figure, people???
I do not get it, I'm sorry, I think I don't have enough wishful thinking and good faith for this
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Awwwww, that's so sweet, thank you!!!
I guess this calls for a little spoiler so there's a spoiler of my favorite part, hope I get myself together and finish it soon
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Legit can someone please explain to me what people mean by saying Ahsoka was abandoned by her master and grandmaster?
Obi-Wan I guess I kinda get it, except not really because Jedi culture doesn't show anything that would make us believe that padawans expect some sort of familiarity or care from the master of their masters- So, I don't think Ahsoka would have any sort of expectations for Obi-Wan besides "that's the adult that hangs a lot with my master and clearly has something dysfunctional and obnoxious going on with"
But Anakin????? How exactly did Anakin abandon Ahsoka???? Unless by this you mean Anakin dropping the Order for her, but Anakin was around doing detective work and trying hard to prove her innocence. Unless you mean this as Ahsoka herself not understanding or being ignorant of this, I legit have no idea how was Ahsoka abandoned, she left because of the council. Not Anakin?
I would ignore this if this has been only one time, but I have seen this several times, seriously how was Ahsoka abandoned by her master, objectively how.
Anakin literally wanting her back as a padawan after going against every single person he knew in the order just to to protect her (and succeeding), and then Ahsoka saying "m, no, I don't need you, actually" doesn't illustrate enough that it was Anakin who needed her and Ahsoka who left, I guess
And while Anakin wanted Ahsoka to stay, he understood and sympathize with why she needed to leave.
And he doesn't guilt her or play on her emotions or loyalties in order to get her to stay.
He lets her go and later welcomes her back with open arms and gives her back her lightsabers and improved them for her.
Compared that to how Obi Wan deflects and excuses her expulsion and potential execution as 'mistakes were made' and it was her 'choice'.
Or how Mace tried to bride Ahsoka with a knighthood and it was a test of the Force rather the Council's moral cowardice and insults her later on calling her a 'civilan' as if she wasn't a soldier they made and left out to dry to pick up some political points.
On a slight side note, just something interesting to observe: the whole point of this "exercise" with Ahsoka was to make Anakin more comfortable with people eventually leaving, and everyone constantly shamed him all the way through for being "too attached"
But when he acts like a mature person and respects her choice to walk away and leave behind not just him but the order and her entire life - it's seen as a failure on his side, like he "wasn't good enough" and "abandoned her in the time of need"
No matter what Anakin does and how he reacts - he simply can't win neither with the jedi nor with general audiences, because both groups already developed a negative bias against him and any action is interpreted in incredibly bad faith
And there is a huge gulf between abandoning Ahsoka to her potential death (the kidnapping Jedi younglings arc or Temple bombing) and letting her find her own way.
Anakin doesn't have a problem 'letting people go', he has a problem letting people go to their miserable and preventable deaths.
The past murder of his mother and future death his wife and unborn child are preventable.
If he left as soon as he started having dreams the first time, his mother would still be alive.
In RotS, he desires the title of master because he wants access to the Jedi archives and find a way to help save his wife's life.
He goes to Yoda for help and gets none.
The entire reason why Palpatine's gambit works is because he baits Anakin with the potential to save Padme's life and even then, he does turn the truth over to Mace Windu.
But the final act where he tries to stop Mace from killing the Chancellor and Mace gets thrown out the window, Anakin loses all his options.
This is what a lot of people don't really get about Anakin, I think
Because obviously I think he does struggle with abandonment issues and "letting go" (it's a common side-effect of being removed from a mother at the age of 9 - in a very vulnerable age when a child still needs a parent a lot, not to mention she was the only source of support and comfort in his life) but also his self esteem is so low that he doesn't think he "deserves" to have people, and backs down very easily if told "no"
Because, as a slave and later a "servant of the force" he learned to suppress himself and his own needs to the highest degree - other people and their wellbeing are always a priority in his eyes because he's not even a person, just an instrument meant to submit to the wills of others
He sees it as his mission to "save people", this was his self-imposed purpose that later turned into a burden that he picked up way before he even became a jedi with his "I need to free all the slaves"
Anakin is attached to people because he saw a lot of death already as a young child, a lot of needless, unjust death, and he values sentient life above basically anything else in the universe
It doesn't go just for people he cares about - he saves countless clones, soldiers and civilians during the war, he even can't really let go of that habit as Vader
He doesn't want to possess people and control them, he just wants them to exist and live their lives, whatever it takes
This makes him killing all those people to save Padme more impactful - he knows what he's doing and how wrong it is
But he's personally responsible for this woman and their baby, and this responsibility for a moment overshadows anything else in the universe
It's a beautifully dubious moment, because it's a gruesome slaughter, but also this is him sacrificing himself and his own moral convictions to save this one woman he thinks deserves to lives more than anyone else in the universe, because she's the only one (in his eyes) who is worth all those deaths because she's that important not just to him but to this galaxy
Legit can someone please explain to me what people mean by saying Ahsoka was abandoned by her master and grandmaster?
Obi-Wan I guess I kinda get it, except not really because Jedi culture doesn't show anything that would make us believe that padawans expect some sort of familiarity or care from the master of their masters- So, I don't think Ahsoka would have any sort of expectations for Obi-Wan besides "that's the adult that hangs a lot with my master and clearly has something dysfunctional and obnoxious going on with"
But Anakin????? How exactly did Anakin abandon Ahsoka???? Unless by this you mean Anakin dropping the Order for her, but Anakin was around doing detective work and trying hard to prove her innocence. Unless you mean this as Ahsoka herself not understanding or being ignorant of this, I legit have no idea how was Ahsoka abandoned, she left because of the council. Not Anakin?
I would ignore this if this has been only one time, but I have seen this several times, seriously how was Ahsoka abandoned by her master, objectively how.
Anakin literally wanting her back as a padawan after going against every single person he knew in the order just to to protect her (and succeeding), and then Ahsoka saying "m, no, I don't need you, actually" doesn't illustrate enough that it was Anakin who needed her and Ahsoka who left, I guess
And while Anakin wanted Ahsoka to stay, he understood and sympathize with why she needed to leave.
And he doesn't guilt her or play on her emotions or loyalties in order to get her to stay.
He lets her go and later welcomes her back with open arms and gives her back her lightsabers and improved them for her.
Compared that to how Obi Wan deflects and excuses her expulsion and potential execution as 'mistakes were made' and it was her 'choice'.
Or how Mace tried to bride Ahsoka with a knighthood and it was a test of the Force rather the Council's moral cowardice and insults her later on calling her a 'civilan' as if she wasn't a soldier they made and left out to dry to pick up some political points.
On a slight side note, just something interesting to observe: the whole point of this "exercise" with Ahsoka was to make Anakin more comfortable with people eventually leaving, and everyone constantly shamed him all the way through for being "too attached"
But when he acts like a mature person and respects her choice to walk away and leave behind not just him but the order and her entire life - it's seen as a failure on his side, like he "wasn't good enough" and "abandoned her in the time of need"
No matter what Anakin does and how he reacts - he simply can't win neither with the jedi nor with general audiences, because both groups already developed a negative bias against him and any action is interpreted in incredibly bad faith
And for the jedi their literal paranoia over people experiencing fear (or any negative emotions ever (has anyone ever talked about how jedi forced themselves into a variation of toxic positivity mindset due to Yoda's fear of the dark side? Cuz we really should)) just led them to believe that Anakin will eventually fail no matter what they do and what he does and how anything goes
Anakin has already failed them the moment they saw him, and then it was confirmation bias telling them that basically any action Anakin took was somehow "troubling" and "disturbing"
Little of it had to do with anything Anakin did, and more with the fact that they already decided that Anakin was trouble based on their own (again, mainly Yoda's) paranoia
Legit can someone please explain to me what people mean by saying Ahsoka was abandoned by her master and grandmaster?
Obi-Wan I guess I kinda get it, except not really because Jedi culture doesn't show anything that would make us believe that padawans expect some sort of familiarity or care from the master of their masters- So, I don't think Ahsoka would have any sort of expectations for Obi-Wan besides "that's the adult that hangs a lot with my master and clearly has something dysfunctional and obnoxious going on with"
But Anakin????? How exactly did Anakin abandon Ahsoka???? Unless by this you mean Anakin dropping the Order for her, but Anakin was around doing detective work and trying hard to prove her innocence. Unless you mean this as Ahsoka herself not understanding or being ignorant of this, I legit have no idea how was Ahsoka abandoned, she left because of the council. Not Anakin?
I would ignore this if this has been only one time, but I have seen this several times, seriously how was Ahsoka abandoned by her master, objectively how.
Anakin literally wanting her back as a padawan after going against every single person he knew in the order just to to protect her (and succeeding), and then Ahsoka saying "m, no, I don't need you, actually" doesn't illustrate enough that it was Anakin who needed her and Ahsoka who left, I guess
And while Anakin wanted Ahsoka to stay, he understood and sympathize with why she needed to leave.
And he doesn't guilt her or play on her emotions or loyalties in order to get her to stay.
He lets her go and later welcomes her back with open arms and gives her back her lightsabers and improved them for her.
Compared that to how Obi Wan deflects and excuses her expulsion and potential execution as 'mistakes were made' and it was her 'choice'.
Or how Mace tried to bride Ahsoka with a knighthood and it was a test of the Force rather the Council's moral cowardice and insults her later on calling her a 'civilan' as if she wasn't a soldier they made and left out to dry to pick up some political points.
On a slight side note, just something interesting to observe: the whole point of this "exercise" with Ahsoka was to make Anakin more comfortable with people eventually leaving, and everyone constantly shamed him all the way through for being "too attached"
But when he acts like a mature person and respects her choice to walk away and leave behind not just him but the order and her entire life - it's seen as a failure on his side, like he "wasn't good enough" and "abandoned her in the time of need"
No matter what Anakin does and how he reacts - he simply can't win neither with the jedi nor with general audiences, because both groups already developed a negative bias against him and any action is interpreted in incredibly bad faith
the command structure of the GAR suffers so badly from âwe havenât had a standing galactic army for 1000 years, we had to invent all of this yesterdayâ syndrome it is so fucking funny. the jedi high council had no idea what they were doing and were like, okay, the jedi are all generals now. what general do you answer to if two generals give you conflicting orders? the general. which of the generals is in charge? the general. which of the generals is the general over all the other generals? also the general. anakin is both the general of just the 501st and also the commander of gold squadron, apparently, how does he manage to be so annoying that heâs in a position of command in two separate branches of service? i cannot emphasize enough that the idea of rex explaining that their general is locked in a dogfight with separatist ships, so they have to hold off on such things as âordersâ is just a thing that does not happen to people, ever. this makes absolutely no sense but given that the republic handed a military to the local superpowered wizard monk order that coordinates battles at most in small groups, i guess thatâs kind of a fair way to take it. you win this round, rave baloney
anakin gets way more annoying, also i really think common characterization of him should deviate from âdevil-may-care himboâ to âwildly neurotic workaholic engineering nut with no time for friendsâ because in the gambit duology apparently anakin personally redesigned the programming in republic cruiser commlinks. i cannot emphasize to you enough that knowing how to build a droid probably does not prepare you at all for the prospect of programming a ship the size of a city. i cannot emphasize to you enough how ridiculous of a job redesigning the programming of a line of capital warships while you are both a general and an air commander (how is this a thing) would be. also, how much obscure engineering bullshit did he have to read from ages 9-20 to be able to make the leap from âcan build a podracerâ to âknows how massive warships work enough to be able to work on themâ because, like, a guy who is good with cars is not automatically prepared to design jumbo jets. when in the entire fuck. how in the goddamn. how did he even have time to be motherfucking crazy. how did he have time to be married. he had engineering books to go read
anakin, seven days deep without sleep, downing the fifth space redbull of the hour and drawing a draft of a spaceship by moving a pencil with the force, because the caffeine makes his hands shake too bad to hold it: i know the color yellow is threatening so i reinvented hyperspace
rex, nodding his head: classic general skywalker
dave the new guy who had no idea what he was walking into: CLASSIC?
in any possible obikin scenario i think Obi-Wan would be jealous of Luke
like Luke would fight with Obi-Wan for Anakin's attention and Obi-Wan, known also as "i had a beef with a 9yo because of my Master" would, absolutely, follow suit and throw hands with Luke, who just wants to play with dad.
Anakin always will prioritize his children, so Obi-Wan is always destined to lose and be weird over it (in silence, forever).
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Luke Skywalker doesnât dress like the traditional Jedi.
He doesnât wear whites, tans, and browns. He wears greys, black, and leather. The same type of attire Anakin wore in ROTS before his fall. And yet, Luke hasnât fallen.
I always loved that about Star Wars. Not only does it seem to present like an homage to his father whom he brought back to the light, but it is also a sign of how Luke redefines balance in The Force and signals a new wave of Jedi and Force Users.
A new wave of Jedi who donât need to fight, but can defend themselves. Jedi who are never too young or too old to be accepted into the community. Jedi who never have to fear being too evil to be redeemed.
A generation of Jedi that Anakin Skywalker would have fought desperately to achieve.
The way some of yâall are a little too comfortable taking Anakinâs anger issues and very obvious BPD behavioural patterns as âsigns of darth vader always being thereâ fucking pisses me off. Not only is that ableist but it demeans the complexity of human emotion and experiences. God forbid someone showcase anger when theyâre angry. Fucking hell man đđđ
People will take a very obviously traumatized ex child slave who shows signs of some sort of neurodiversity to boot and go "yeah, this kid/teen/poorly adjusted adult man is just inherently evil and should be punished and tortured, I'm glad he died, wish he would suffer more than he did"
And see nothing wrong with that sentence or the mindset around it
And also then try to pretend that they're "woke" and care about mental health issues
whenever I see a "pro jedi" post that acts like jedi are a real religious minority to be defended and not 80% george lucas messing around in fantasyland orientalismstyle my eyes turn yellow and I get the urge to sithpost just to fuck with them. Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory, my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. Now gtfo my feed and go to church or something
It's worse when they start comparing Order 66 to Holocaust - a real fucking event that happened to real fucking people
Order 66 was in large part a result of a religious order, who was openly in power and controlled majority of the galaxy's spiritual beliefs, overlooking a threat that was growing right under their noses due to their ignorance, based on their blind faith in their own invulnerability (see: "gone the sith are, never come back they will, because said so I" (c) Yoda)
Holocaust was a targeted eradication of a minority group that they had no control over or impact on, based purely on conspiracies, hate, and need to create a scapegoat.
You need to be willfully ignorant to reality to compare those two, and also have not a single bone of sensitivity in your goddamn body.
I guess I'm not a fan of the simplification of "Anakin is a dragon so he safekeeps selfishly people like a treasure" because, well, is so simplistic is boring lol
But also because is not quite fitting , what a giant treasure you Anakin greedy bastard, an absurd sum of,,,,,-checks notes-,,,,Three persons?
Reminds me of how there was this kinda study we read ages ago in Animal Production Behavior class, that, in summary, theorized cows could only count up to around 40, because they apparently only cared for 40 individuals in their herd and if one outside these 40 is gone they don't mind. This really dubious, btw, don't trust it.
Either way, cows are more dragon like that Anakin if we're talking just about greed.
When the subject of "Anakin wants to have control, and control those who cares for" surfaces, I think is easy to get blindsided by the very end of ROTS and how Vader carries his dutiea for the empire.
The way Anakin wants control (regarding people) is not in a "I want to control what you do, where you are, what you think, who you associate yourself with", this man wants to control reality itself in a way so his loved ones don't die. There's a big difference here, he wants to control variables around them.
This develops slowly, because when we talk about Shmi, her death was absolutely, and totally avoidable. If you want to add Qui-Gon's death into something that affected/impacted him, it was also, avoidable.
We know that as a child he saw all kinds of horrors slaves were subjected to because he's 9 and he's still able to talk about others' heads exploding.
Is interesting that the movies never posed the question, how does Anakin react to a natural, non violet death? To an accidental death? Well, we don't quite know, at least within the prequels, because all the death he's exposed to is always quite violent.
We know this doesn't work, but his gradual obsession with control is quite easy to pinpoint, he's someone who fundamentally was born without any rights, was vulnerable and never felt like he had any sort of control over himself or his life. Everything he does is follow orders and wait for someone else to suggest him what to do.
And when he does have power, he wants to control the environment and variables, rather than the person's themselves I think.
And I don't say this to say 'errr so you're saying he's not evil!', I say this because a guy that is legitimately the chosen one, created by a divine magic power itself, and then turns into an evil wizard warrior nun/monk, feeling so vulnerable and lacking agency despite being apparently able to hold back an entire ocean, is very fun.
When it comes to Luke, he does kidnapp and torture his friends, and has a bounty hunter on him, so the line definitely blurries here lolol
But I think a case can be made, he still attempts to genuinely connect and give him a choice, under the belief that if Luke doesn't join him or subjects himself to Ol' Sheev, he will die, which is the ultimate thing he wants to prevent.And his attempts suck, mostly, but he's still trying to control the environment and circumstances, rather than Luke himself. Beating around the bush, so to speak.
To summarize: Vaderkin is such a interesting bug I love to poke. He's like an elephant tied to a chain that he can easily break, but doesn't realize so because of how much he was beaten down when little.
Or even better, an abused dog, still returns to their abusive home. Over and over.
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Love how majority of SW fandom be like "Everyone, absolutely everyone, every single creature in the universe deeply cares about Padme and has a profound connection with her. Except that one weird guy who was her husband, he actually hated her, glad he died, they never were close anyway"
This!!!
Anakin constantly thinking he's responsible for everything and everyone ever is like, almost a defining characteristic of his, over-stretching himself to insane degrees of "I have to control everything ever or they will literally die"
With Padme it would be extra-strong since he already lost two people close to him (Shmi died and Ahsoka left + possibly Qui-Gon dying could've had an effect + that one thing with Obi-Wan faking his death.)
And it's pretty clear he doesn't care about people superficially like that, he must see them as important and have a connection with them to care that much, which he definitely did with his own wife, lol
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