I can very easily imagine Markus meeting Kamski and being very unimpressed
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I can very easily imagine Markus meeting Kamski and being very unimpressed

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Connor sticking his tongue inside Markus totally just to his forensics test thing "h - how long does this take, usually?" "a few minutes for optimum results" <- blatantly lying
Thinking that I prefer post game Connor to still love and miss Amanda even though he knows he shouldn't. Like when he thinks of her he feels bitter and resentful and angry but also sad and betrayed and he wishes that things could have been different
When you should be doing uni stuff and instead watch a lp from Detroit become Human (sadly canβt afford a PS4 atm but once I get one, and get it running which will be a challenge... I will get two friends to play it for the first time!).
Now I want to play again lol... mostly for Hank and Connor and Chloe. Like most people I bet.
And ignore the biggest thing that makes no sense:
Markus: *to freshly freed Androids, that havenβt even known Humans so far* We are finally free, we are no longer slaves! No longer will we suffer in silence and be abused!
Android, freshly stolen from CyberLife: what
Like Markus Revolution in general: every android he turns deviant wants to just instantly join him (minus the one that took care of Carl... talking about Carl: I know his real son was an asshole but maybe tell him that he is finally starting to get his shit together? Maybe? So that Carl dies, knowing his two sons are doing well).
David Cage's impeccable writing strikes again.
Markus and all other androids that deviate 'fresh' androids, do so by sharing their own experiences, delivering an 'emotional shock' so that the new androids can break free of their programming, without having to experience the abuse of humans first hand themselves.
Markus himself most likely shows his own deviation, his experience in the junkyard, and all the broken androids in Jericho. He's especially good at 'deviating' androids because he's empathetic and charismatic, able to get his point across the most effectively. The androids want to join the cause, because they realise he's their best shot at freedom.
Of course this could have been shown this at the start of the game, when Markus deviates John, maybe even with a series of flashbacks (you know, the very same storytelling device he utilises later with John again, to remind the player that he exists) but because David Cage doesn't actually give a fuck about Markus' story, he didn't bother.
Simon is the embodiment of failure.
I learnt very quickly to not side with Simon, like at all. I can't recall a time when a good thing happened when you went with his idea. If you side with him and Josh in Spare Parts, you only get a limited supply of biocomponents compared to when you side with North, or siding with him and North when deciding on what to do with John leads to the group being chased out of the warehouse, and later if Markus goes pacifist, his own death. Simon doesn't make many calls in the Stratford Tower except 2 if you go pacifist, telling Markus to leave him behind to die and asking Markus to not shoot him. In Freedom March his solution is by far the worst: turning on their heels and running away. And in Cross Paths he tells Markus that North is a lost cause and to leave her to die. These are all his choices that he suggests (from what I can remember), and they all have horrible turnouts.
Simon has good intentions, all he wants is for him and his people to be free, and he's surprisingly reckless with his own life to do so. Despite being careless with his own life, when others are in trouble, he has a hard time taking risks even if it will better his people's life quality. He values the life of his people above all, if an act will cause harm to them, he is hesitant to do it, this prevents him from doing the things he may or may not want to do.
Simon starts out a cautious person, him being in Jericho for 2 years not leaving or making it any better proves that enough (there's literally dismantled corpses piled up on one another in the main room, if they needed to dispose of them all they had to do was dump them off into the ocean, I think most of them were too scared to even go outside). That skittishness did a lot more harm against Jericho than good. His decisions, no matter how good-willed, are what kept Jericho back. His opinion, due to his age, was respected amongst Jericho. While I don't know if he was the leader (idk where that came from tbh) or if Jericho even had a leader but it's clear people respect Simon enough to go along with what he thought was right. Evidently he often isn't. He tries his best with what he's given, dissembling his friends to serve another's or his own needs, but it isn't enough, and Jericho without Markus is destined to rust and fall apart.
Simon is stupidly selfless, I think that held him back from a lot because he couldn't make sacrifices and we see that he is able to with the Cross Paths with North scene but he hates to. If someone shut down naturally, he'd feel less guilty compared to if he made an active decision that would put them in jeopardy. Although I do think his beliefs stem from a place of empathy rather than guilt. He is the one character in the game that isn't an antagonist that, if you mainly listen to, does more harm than good, and that reflects a lot on what Jericho was like before Markus: people doing the best they can but ultimately failing.
Simon is neutral in the way that he doesn't mind violence or care that much about humans, but he has his own opinion outside of pacifism or violence, he wants as many of his people to survive as possible. He understands that it won't gain their freedom but isn't willing to pay the price of their blood. Honestly, I think his indecisiveness on what path to go is from a place of insecurity. I don't think Simon trusts himself at all with big decisions, and he doesn't want blood to be on his hands if (when) his plans fail. So, he grows dependent on Markus to make decisions.
He believes whatever Markus decides will lead them to victory, he is the key to lock that he's been hopelessly picking at for years. If Markus dies in Freedom March, he'll say, βMarkus would know what to doβ in the meeting during Cross Roads. He really thinks that Markus has the answers to the questions that's he's been banging his head against. I think it's because of that little push in Spare Parts. We see how happy he is when they accomplish their mission, jogging ahead of the group to announce the news, or if they fail to get enough parts, his mouth is agape as he listens to Markusβ speech despite Markus' failure. He has so little hope that even a slight glimmer of light makes him desperately believe it'll glow bright, and he's going to do everything he can to help it glow. Since, nothing he's ever done has even come close to creating that spark because Simon is meant to symbolise the mass, he is a follower pretending to be a leader.
I didn't have anywhere to put this:
Simon learns to take risks over the course of the story, each mission being one of them, but the thing he gets careless with the most is his own life, he can die 13 different ways throughout the game, 10 because of player consequences and 3 sacrifices (technically they're all player consequences, but oh well). Most of them are different variations of each other, but nearly all of them are because Simon was reckless.

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dbh fans will write a crack fic about Connor seeing ghosts and it will be the most racist, condescending bullshit you've ever read
But you know, Markus is a 'privileged' android that has absolutely no reason to want better for himself and all other androids π€·π»ββοΈ
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How I wish he had actually deactivated his skin during the speech in the game itself. It just hits so much better this way.
Thinking about how Markus never really stops and processes what happened to him. Could be why he was so freaked out by Lucy, that she was able to see the things he doesn't want to face. She was like "hell lives in you" and Markus was just like "yeah I'm trying to ignore that mess in the corner of my mind, no thanks". And then he has so much responsibility that he can't afford to think about it at all, because there are so many people relying on him and thinking about the junkyard too hard will reduce him into a mess. Not to mention there not many people he will let see him vulnerable like that. He has an image to maintain.
The thing about trauma like that though is that one day it will suddenly smack you in the face with no warning, no matter how hard you try to bury it, usually at the most inconvenient time.
It will never not piss me off that Josh can't survive the revolution path. It would be like North dying every time you chose the pacifist path.
What do you mean Markus can save Simon and North on this path but not Josh???
Fuck you Cage.

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reason #93483 for why i just cant go through with the pacifist demonstration ever again: the cries and pleas of the captured androids as theyre in line for the recycling machine literally hoping against hope for Markus to save them
(for context: this clip is taken during the liberation ending. i dont know if its different if Markus instead chooses demonstration bc ive never played captured!Kara on a demonstration run, but i dont imagine it straying too far from whatβs heard here)
Words cannot describe how much I hate the 'Kamski made Markus specifically to lead the revolution' theory.
It takes so much agency away from Markus and undermines everything he went through to achieve freedom, however tenuous it seems, for his people and some are going to say it was all Kamski's doing?
Markus' origins are largely unknown, besides the fact that at some stage Kamski gifted Markus to Carl, but it's a bit gross that people automatically think that means that Kamski made him as some kind of pawn. It's sus for sure, I'm not denying that, but there's so many more interesting (and less insulting) theories you could come up with with that information.
And yes, I know about the cut Kamski scene where he says he'll lead the revolution next time, but that more seems to insinuate that he thinks the first revolution failed because he wasn't involved.
I don't know, the whole thing just reeks of white saviour bullshit and I hate how it minimises Markus' struggles because that was 'supposed to happen all along'.
i HATE watching an edit of my glorious king markus just for the comments to be talking about connor IDGAF ABOUT YOUR COP BOYFRIEND
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Thinking a little bit about how Cage killing Josh almost seems to indicate that he sees the revolution as the 'death of peace,' and in so doing, implies that revolution is a choice that destroys the chance of a peaceful coexistence instead of the act of self defense taken by someone fighting to free their people to prevent a massacre on a genocidal scale
Yeah, that's why he's shit.

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I am so so interested in the way Carlos's android and Markus parallel each other