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The experiment you know of is performing well, but a new opportunity has revealed itself. Let us shuffle the values of this world slightly to the left. A simple change of protagonist can be enough to rewrite the entire narrative. That young doe... Yes. She will do nicely.
This is my original Deltarune AU that follows Noelle as the one possessed and explores how things change from there.
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A short lesson in deductive reasoning, using a Deltarune puzzle.
The answer is "the lake." Everyone knows that - the game told us. What fewer people have done is prove it from the structure of the wrong answers, and the proof is more interesting than the solution, because the apparatus accidentally teaches a complete course in formal deduction. Every rejected answer is a true statement about the world, written in the negative. Read correctly, the 1,229 wrong answers draw you a map.
Three principles before we start, because they're the actual lesson:
Define your universe of discourse before you eliminate. You cannot cross answers off a list until you know what set you're choosing from. Most reasoning fails here.
A partition must be exhaustive. If your categories don't tile the whole space, an answer can hide in the gap.
Sort your evidence by what it constrains. Not every "no" narrows the location. Some narrow the referent, some the type, some the intent, some reveal only the speaker. Treating every rejection as equivalent is the most common error in informal reasoning.
Full post under the Read More.
Step 0: The subject is not who you assume
Rounds 1 and 2 asked: "How long did it take her to smile?" The accepted durations top out at 16 years, glossed as "the first time she ever smiled in her life." A count up, bounded by a lifetime - so the subject is sixteen. That is Noelle, not Dess (who is Asriel's age, college-aged). The smile is Noelle's.
Round 3 changed the question to "Where will it take place next?" - and the apparatus explicitly severs the new "it" from the smile: "Upon her face" → "Didn't mean her smile." So whatever "it" is, it is not the smiling, it is a different event. And "next" (textual, from the email subject line "Re: Where will it take place next?") presupposes a previous occurrence: "it" recurs.
One more pin: the new "her" is also not Noelle. The reply to a pizza answer narrates "Noelle cooked some dough, and they're sitting together" - holding Noelle at third-person arm's length. You don't refer to the subject of your sentence as "they". The whole puzzle runs on the reader importing "Noelle" and "smile" from Round 2 into a Round 3 that means neither.
Step 1: Establish the universe of discourse
Before eliminating where it happens, find the set of places that exist. The apparatus defines it for us, in two replies that bound the world from outside and inside:
"DELTARUNE" → "But of course." Naming the entire world is vacuously correct. It is the "where on Earth?" / "Earth" move: true with probability 1, resolving nothing. This reply declares the domain - the set every valid answer must belong to.
"Beyond the setting sun," "the highest peak one can dream of" → "Couldn't you choose someplace a little more… local?" These are not rejected as false. They are rejected as out of bounds - they name coordinates the world does not contain.
Together these establish something formal logic demands and most theories skip: the world is bounded, and the boundary is real. Off-map answers are rejected not as wrong but as nonexistent.
Assertion: Hometown is not a remnant of a larger world - it is the extent of the world. There is no "outside" to disambiguate against, the way a dream has no offstage, and contains solely itself (or a video game, but I am not claiming Hometown is Literally A Video Game). That is why the puzzle is solvable: the domain is small, closed, and complete.
Step 2: Eliminate inward, by shell
"Couldn't you choose someplace more local?" - beyond the setting sun; the highest peak one can dream of
Off-map. Outside what exists. Rejected not as false but as nonexistent.
"But of course." - DELTARUNE
The whole world. Vacuously true; names the domain, resolves nothing.
"You have to be more specific than that." - hometown; where the sun sets; where she belongs
A region. Correct neighborhood, no address.
"There are trees, sure. But that could be anywhere." - the forest
A non-unique feature. True of the target and its surroundings - fails to pick out the point.
Ding ding ding. - The Lake / The Shore / beneath the lake
The coordinate.
The fourth row is the subtle one and the best teaching case: the answer "the forest" is not false - the lake is wooded. It's rejected for non-uniqueness. Describing a point by a property it shares with everything around it fails to pick it out. This is the difference between a true statement and an identifying one - the heart of what "be specific" means in logic.
The five rows form a complete partition of a bounded set: off-map → whole-map → region → non-unique-feature → point. Nothing falls in the gaps. That is why the proof closes rather than merely suggests.
Additional replies based on location:
"Is that really what you're hoping?" - The Shelter / The Depths
The location is not at the Shelter, but you might think it is. Hold that thought for later.
"That's what you want, isn't it? Candy apples, square dancing… That's what all of this was for! … Well, it was always going to be this way. The only people that walk this path… are those who have their face so close to the road they can't even see where they're going! … But, well. If we're lucky, maybe there's a chance you'll still get lost along the way…" - The Festival
The location is not at the Festival. "The only people who walk this path" - i.e, the only people who go to the Festival - are those who stay close to the road. This is not accessible on the normal route (we'll get back to this, too).
"I get it. She feels a little under the weather and the whole thing is called off. … maybe not." - The Hospital
The location is not the Hospital, and "it" is something that might want to be called off for some reason.
"Wouldn’t you want it to be someplace different?" - Her House / The Holiday Manor
"It" is not at the Holiday house, and you would want "it" to not be there, too.
Step 3: The replies that constrain the answer's nature, not its location
A second axis. These don't move you across the map; they tell you what kind of thing you're locating:
Time answers ("at the end," "tomorrow," "1434 minutes") → "It's where, not when." The event is a place, not a moment. Any reading that treats it as a point in time is refused at the door.
Other chapters' dark worlds (Ice Palace, The Roaring, Cyber City) → "Not at all." Flat denial. It is categorically none of these.
Chapter 5's own dark world (Flower King, Field of Pink and Gold, the fountain, "the dark") → "I have some bad news for you… you'll figure it out yourself." Note the softer register - wrong, but adjacent. Hold that thought.
Internal/metaphysical answers ("in her heart," "inside her SOUL") → "Would they really fit in there?" The event is physical; the body has a definite size. No "she lives on inside us" reading survives.
"Nowhere" → "That's not what the question is about." The event is not optional. It has occurred at some point.
Step 4: The replies graded on time, which order the recurrence
Two answers are judged not on correctness but on when - and they give the recurrence its sequence:
"With Susie" → "Too late!" On the normal route, Noelle goes to the lake with Susie and stays on the shore. "It" is foreclosed. Crucially: the shore-visit does not trip the event (the only time Noelle is at the lake with Susie is in the normal route, which is "Too late!", and Dess is never with Susie to our knowledge) - so "it" is not proximity to the water. Otherwise, Susie would not be too late. The event cannot occur on the normal route.
"The place where it snowed" → "You know that isn't until later." A real future instance - not this one. The event will occur again at a later date. (Possible reference to Snowdin in Undertale? but that's severely speculative).
Step 5: The reply that reveals the speaker, not the answer
For completeness - and to model the discipline of recognizing evidence that constrains nothing about the location: romantic-possessive answers ("by my side," "when she forgets Kris was even a person before Me," "at the wedding") → "Gross." Communal answers ("with her friends," "happy town") → "Aww." These locate nothing. They characterize the grader: warm toward Noelle's friendships, revolted by her possession. A disciplined reasoner notes this and sets it aside from the location proof. Knowing which evidence is irrelevant is itself a deductive skill.
The Solution
Assemble what survived every filter. "It" is:
physical (must fit a body) -
at a specific, named, in-world point (not off-map, not the whole map, not a region, not a non-unique feature) -
in the light world (more local than the cosmic answers) -
that is not the smile, not a moment in time, not any dark world, not internal, and not optional -
that recurs, with a foreclosed past instance and a scheduled future one -
and the confirmed site is beneath the lake, verified by the only post-release reply: "beneath the lake" → "So, what did you think?", sent ~2 hours after Chapter 5 dropped, i.e. after the player could have watched it.
"You only need to see her once. And you'll move on."
The correct answer's own line is doubly syntaxed, like the question that preceded it: "You only need to see her once. And you'll move on." See her once - you cannot replay the Weird Route in that save file after this; the witnessing is single-use, one look and the door shuts behind it. Move on - not only "get over it," but move on as in physical passage, the body carried forward through the cut. Both readings are live, and the puzzle means both: you see her once, and you go.
After a while, the screen cuts to black, and an old television screen opens up, with text instructing the player to "Insert Chapter 7 Side B". The game then exits back to the file select screen. A unique completion file is subsequently generated, appending "_b" on the end, which does not fulfill the completion star on the Chapter Select screen. No SAVE points are accessible during this Chapter.
- the wiki
"It" - the event - is crossing the lake, and, more specifically in my theory, wrong warping out of the world via drowning in the lake (this is an assertion that I will explain in future essays). On the Weird Route, Noelle does just this - and the game cuts, with VHS glitch-VFX, past the rest of Chapter 5 and all of Chapter 6. This is why the Chapter 5 flower-world answers got the soft "bad news" and not the flat "not at all": the event occupies the seam where that dark world should be. It is Chapter-5-adjacent because it replaces Chapter 5. And it recurs because Noelle is retracing a path already walked - far shore, under the water, gone from Hometown.
Why the pronoun jape? Because Dess also did "it", you know, something you might want to call off if you get cold feet. Trying to cross a lake on your own is pretty hard! No shame in trying to go to the hospital instead. And we'd like "it" to happen in the shelter because that goes downward, not sideways (again, more on this later). I'll be totally honest the Dess/Noelle distinction is slippery here. Probably on purpose!
Where does this go? To Chapter 7, Side B (this is just true).
Assertion: Your viewport in the DEVICE is a physical view of your soul, it is what you, the player, are looking at in terms of a real location inside Hometown. Therefore, we have to assume that drowning in the lake, or going to the bottom of the lake, takes you to Chapter 7, Side B. Which sure is odd, because that seems like a time, and not a location.
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The more I think about it, Alphys being relatively new to Hometown is kind of an odd detail. There are other newcomers, but with them there's this palpable weight or significance to their presence that isn't present in Alphys (...yet?)
Susie's status as an outsider and agent of change is crucial to her character.
The exact nature or significance of Sans and Papyrus' presence is still unknown, but it being implicitly unnatural is obviously important.
But with Alphys, at most it seems like it's meant to contextualize her status as Gerson's replacement? Like she showed up in town and was immediately saddled with the job—or something like that. Which isn't illogical, but feels unnecessary, especially since there was little to no emphasis on her moving for the Royal Scientist position in Undertale. Plus, comparatively, "Outside of Hometown" is obviously a much more narratively and thematically significant place to be from than like...a different part of Hotland?
THEORY/HEADCANON: Alphys moved to Hometown to work with the Forgotten Man but after the rewrite(? idk what else to call it) happened she was left going "why the hell did I move here" and hesitantly accepted Toriel's offer of a teaching job
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Honestly Berdly is probably the funniest Deltatune character as a whole because of how he effects all of the other characters. just the image of you forcing Kris to say they want Berdley as their partner for the festival in Chapter 3 and them responding by shouting BERDLY!?!?!!?! BERDLY!?!?!?!?! BERDLY??!?!?! at the top of their lungs is extremely amusing
Chapter 6 Berdly comes with you to the Dark World and before Ralsei can reveal she started HRT, berdly has to butt in and reveal that she started it before her, so literally every main character has a reason to be fucking pissed at her
Do you guys think that Noelle has an old Tomodachi Life copy that she plays when it's late at night and she feels like hell, only to hear her sister's Mii call her Elly again?
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So Toby Fox is two for two on games where a butch lesbian with big hair and a hero complex romances a goofy orange nerd whose performatively upbeat disposition hides pretty serious suicidal ideation, huh?
Imagine spending the past couple of years of your life seriously considering drowning yourself in the nearest lake, and then your new crush randomly picks you up and bridal-carries you into the shallows of that exact lake to watch the sunset. Yeah, I bet that got her heart rate up!