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This goes even more so for people who talk about abuse and explain it in psychiatric terms. Psychiatry's explanations of abuse as rooted in mental and psychological disorders is downright harmful for understanding the issue. It is actually offensive, especially since psychiatry is an institution full of abuse. It's the abuser's own explanation of abuse.

For that reason, I can't take anyone who talks unironically about "pedophiles" for example. People who do so generally are the most stupid and dangerous voices in any discussion on the subject of child sex abuse. In reality, child sex abuse happens because of how our society works. It happens because of how children are disempowered and isolated in our society, especially by the institution of the family. It doesn't happen because the perpetrators have a mental disorder called pedophilia that makes them attracted to children.

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Something I notice is, when men discuss the manosphere, they either centre the reason boys fall down that pipeline on some inner weakness or defectiveness of the boy, ie. "they're just autistic weirdos who want rules for women because they can't get their dick wet," or they centre the reason on women, "feminism had made women too woke, mean and impossible to socialise with."

What I noticed while working is that every single little Tate goblin I had to work with had conservative parents, and I have never once seen that aspect of all this discussed. Boys will reflect the social norms they are raised in within their household. The biggest preventative for manosphere bullshit I saw in the boys I worked with was a dad who isn't a fuckwit and a household that isn't LARPing the 1960s.