I reread the older berserk chapters around 36, and guts did have feelings for casca. He kept them to himself because casca was obsessed with Griffith and he thought he wasnāt good enough, and he also prioritized his own dreams. Even if Gutsca feels toxic to some, the manga shows their feelings were real and complicated. Rereading the chapters proves it didnāt come out of nowhere. Antis had me convinced at first because I hadnāt read the whole manga, but now itās clear itās just their agenda since they prefer the other ships so they purposely misinterpreted it.
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Something that always kinda bothered me in Berserk is the sort of fridging of Casca
Both her and Guts went through the traumatizing experience of The Eclipse and granted Casca did have it worse due to what Griffith did to her but why is it she mentally regresses and Guts becomes a mentally broken wanderer? Why does Guts get to wander around and slay demons and shit but Casca basically mentally becomes a child and has to be taken care of? Why can't Casca become a badass demon slayer too? Why can't she be mad and try to process what happened like Guts did? And then when Casca finally gets out of her mental regression, she gets kidnapped by Griffith
Like why are the writers so obsessed with making Casca this mentally regressed damsel that needs Guts to save her? Did they forget who she was in the golden age? I understand being betrayed and hurt in unspeakable ways by the man who gave you hope and watching all your friends be violently murdered by unholy abominations has to fuck you up something severe but why does she have to mentally regress? Why can't she be allowed to go through similar character development like Guts did? Why does Guts get to go on this journey and go through all these arcs when Casca doesn't go through any? It's like Miura didn't see Casca as something beyond a mentally regressed damsel for Guts to protect and take care of after The Eclipse and the writers who picked up where Miura left off are trying to keep this idea of Casca being a damsel which I know Miura had a weird history with how he drew and wrote Casca
Idk man, Casca feels like wasted potential, I feel she could've been so much more instead of that
As a Gutsca shipper, I must say that I donāt agree with people who defend Gutsā action on Casca. I mean, I know that it wasnāt entirely his fault, but his feelings for sexual comfort had to be there already in order for the Beast to manipulate his feelings. Under normal circumstances, partners longing for intimate contact shouldnāt be a bad thing⦠but since this isĀ Berserk,Ā of course it can turn bad. So thatās that. (But that flat out āLeave Guts alone he hasnāt had any in whileā argument is just plain stupid and insensitive.)
Anyway, I think in the grander scheme of things, this all falls under the category of people who rip on present day Cascaās character, which I donāt know why people continue to do so. As if we havenāt gone over the fact that Casca isnāt being chickified, but is going through the brutal aftermath that is rape trauma syndrome, but I still donāt think people understand the full extent of Cascaās insanity.Ā
I mean no disrespect to Casca, but the trauma that she went through didnāt reduce her to the state of a child: she was reduced to somethingĀ less than a child.Ā Children grow, develop, and learn, and advance at a surprising speed in the course of 2-3 years (given that they have normal health). Itās been 2-3 years since the Eclipse, and Casca is just, static.Ā She aside from physical appearance, she hasnāt changed much psychologically. She basically has not logical drive; I donāt like saying it much, but Casca is on the level of a wild animal.
That said, she reacts the same way that animals do when theyāre in danger: if something poses a clear and present threat to her, her first reaction is to flee or fight. Casca, though she has wielded a sword in her insane state, doesnāt fight with logic. She fights with her instinct in order to protect herself.
Now, I want nothing more than my ship to be all happy and stuff. Alas, Iām not one to just glance over stuff like this, because as much as we want to hug Guts over his crap lifeĀ justifiably so though, if I was in Cascaās position (God help me if I was), IāD BE DOING THE SAME THING.Ā
On another note, while I do want Guts and Casca to find happiness soon, itās not as though I havenāt thought of several alternative thing that could happen: most of them being bad (lol) and at least one of them being bittersweet (for Guts anyway). Like, maybe Casca sees that by giving her life for the dreams of two men that she loved, she never really realized whatĀ she wantedĀ for herself. What are her hopes and dreams? With that, she departs from Guts, and starts her own journeyā¦
I know that there are arguments against this scheme, from Cascaās strength against the supernatural dangers of the world, to the fact that perhaps Miura just doesnāt have the time to focus on Cascaās character as much as he does with Guts or Griffith. But, I think it would be an interesting direction to take upon Cascaās recovery.Ā
Iām going to talk about the Power of Friendship in Berserk . These days itās used as a derisive term thanks to popular shonen like Naruto and Fairy Tail , the latter infamously known for main characters defeating final bosses after staring longingly at their injured friends and getting literal p
Great article about Gutsā dynamics with his companions
Judeau is such an under appreciated character. He was in love with Casca but never forced his feelings on her or made it known. Instead he encouraged someone else to be with her cause he knew they would be good together & wanted Guts to take her away with him because he saw how she was suffering & unhappy in the band of Hawk. Heās so observant & selfless, I wish Casca knew how much he cared for herā¦.
Judeau is so fucking fascinating and I WISH we got more of him. He really casts himself as the āobserverā, doesnāt he? Look at what he says in Morning Departure:
Judeau said to himself, I canāt be best at anything, so Iāll stand behind who I think is the best. He became this person who watched on and studied others and supported them, offering his support in terms of combat skills as well as emotional and social intelligence. He casts himself as a side character, but he also became an actor anyway, who nudged the storyālike when he nudged Guts toward Casca (twice) and when he and Pippin saved Casca at the eclipse, because they knew the Band of the Hawk would live on only through her (and that, imo, is still true! Itās Casca that brings the BotHās last remaining members together at The Hill of Swords, and sheās the one who prompts Guts to begin accepting new companions). Judeau is so very intuitive. He really understands people. And itās interestingāIāve never thought of it this wayābut right after this conversation⦠he proceeds to stand behind Guts rather than Griffith as the best person for Casca. He goes into all the reasons that Griffith and Casca wonāt workāincluding that what Casca feels for Griffith is beyond romantic loveāitās worship. He also doesnāt push Guts hereāonly nudgesābut heās right about them and heās also right about Guts having actually found a place he could have belonged. We donāt get a real look at what dream Judeau might have wanted (besides his affection for Casca, and maybe thatās all he meant!) I donāt think confessing those feelings would have to be forcing themābut he sensed it was unrequited, and he was so objective in all things that he took stock of himself and said, āNahāneither I nor Griffith is what Casca really wants or needs to be happy.ā That is a real selfless kind of love, isnāt it?
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Nothing will ever beat the time someone on Reddit said to me, āDonāt tell me that if Griffith was standing right in front of him Guts would choose Casca over revengeā and I just replied with this
So Iām reading Berserk and Iām at the part where Casca is feeling jealous of the princess and she explains this to Guts and instead of comforting her heās mad & it states that he canāt stand when she ābroodsā over Griffith. But Casca has confided in Guts numerous times abt Griffith and how she wants to be his sword, stay at his side etc etc this is how they got close in the first place and he never was mad but now itās a problem???
ANON SO SORRY IT TOOK ME SO LONG TO CIRCLE BACK TO THIS.
The shortest possible answer to this is that theyāve had sex.Ā
It wasnāt an issue before when they kept their friendship just a friendship.Ā Itās natural, however, to feel jealousy over a romantic partner expressing feelings for someone elseāespecially when youāre 19 years old and this isĀ your first ever romantic and sexual partner (neither of them have EVER had consensual sex)Ā who you have been trying to avoid thinking about romantically for a year only to finally strip away the thing thatās been holding you back, admit your feelings/desire for one another, and share a night of incredibly emotional, raw, and passionate lovemaking that only deepened the feelings you have for one another.Ā Guts straight up asked Casca to run away with him. Casca explicitly chose Guts over Griffith and was even enraged when he said something that reminded her of Griffith.Ā
Casca has framed her romantic feelings for Guts as a positive and good thing, and her romantic feelings for Griffith as a negative thing she no longer wants to feel. The desire to be Griffithās sword is something she calledĀ ābluffingā and aĀ ālieā, something that was never going to satisfy her and that she needed and wanted to let go of, and Guts knows that.
Additionally, theyāre both trying to cast off feeling bound to Griffith or underneath him/owned by him/his tool, and Guts gets upset not just because heās a jealous boyfriend but also because he too is trying to stop feelingĀ āboundā to Griffith.Ā
Gutsā desire to stand equal to Griffith was not just about having Griffithās respect and friendship, butĀ also about being good enough for the Band of the Hawk and good enough for Casca. Prior to developing romantic feelings for Casca, her being dedicated to Griffith is something Guts accepts and even admires. He says in āCampfire of Dreamsā that itās greatābut that he doesnāt have a dream like she does or anyone else in the Band, which means he canāt truly be a part of the fire and is really just an outsider warming himself. Heās expressing feelings of inadequacy andĀ āothernessā within the Band. This is what sparks Gutsā desire to leave.Ā When Guts first realizes his romantic feelings for Casca (via Judeauās question, right before Gutsā departure from the Band of the Hawk), he still is very aware of Cascaās dedication to Griffith, and he still accepts that, but he also sees it as the reason thereās no point in dwelling on those feelings.Ā
Griffith is everything and Guts sees himself as nothing. A man without a purpose or a dream like himĀ could never draw Cascaās attention away from someone as brilliant and ambitious as Griffith. I wouldnāt necessarily say that Guts is even jealous of Griffith at that point (though maybe) but he feels highly inadequate in comparisonālike he could never measure up.
However, even at the point that Guts says this to Judeau, it actually is no longer true for Casca. Quite pointedly, Casca will say (in āWounds (1)ā)Ā of the day Guts left,Ā āI finally realized that day that more than Griffith brought to his knees from his first defeat, I couldnāt tear my eyes away from him [Guts] as he left without ever looking back.ā Guts had already drawn her eye from Griffith. Guts doesnāt know that though. He thinks he needs to leave to find or earn relationships that already exist or have that potential. He doesnāt yet know that he will regret leaving to begin withāthat what he wanted all along was already right in front of him (a communityāthe whole Band of the Hawk, including Casca and Griffith and all of his companions).Ā When Guts returns after his year away, itās with a newfound confidenceāa sort of swagger. Heās determined never to be anything less than Griffithās equal. He is not content to sit below him. Casca, someone he had previously chosen not to think about romantically too much, because he knew she was enamored with Griffith, actually tells him inĀ āConfessionā that her desire to be Griffithās sword was a lie. She too is no longer content to sit below Griffith, and wants more for herself.
Casca not wanting to be Griffithās sword anymoreārealizing that she craves more than to exist as a tool for someone else to use, without the things she wants in return, isĀ very important (and it parallels her to Guts!). Itās important for Casca, in recognizing that she is settling for something that ultimately cannot and never will satisfy her. Itās important for Guts, in realizing that Casca is not as enamored with Griffith as he thoughtāthat she actually doesnāt want to beāthat she too wants more from a relationship than he is willing to give, she wants to be seen as an equal, not an object or a tool or a belonging. Whatās more, she has feelings for Guts as well, and those feelings arenāt lesser than her feelings for Griffith. They are different, and Casca regards that as a good thing. She sees her attraction to Guts as a positive, and her attraction to Griffith as a negativeāsomething that has hurt her and that she does not want to feel anymore. This is why, inĀ āSparks from a Sword Tipā, she blows up at Guts for acting like Griffith. She doesnāt want a Griffith replacement. She wants someone better, who will consider her feelings and treat her like an equal, someone who isnāt fixated on themselves but cares about othersācares about her.Ā
When Casca later brings up in the dungeon, that she is jealous of Charlotte, it is with frustration, because these romantic feelings are decidedly, feelings she does not want to have anymore. She is trying to cast them off, and move on, into a relationship that can actually satisfy her (āIt still bothers me. Iām still jealous! I donāt want to feel this way!ā- Casca, āInfiltrating Windham (2)ā). Guts, likewise, is jealous that her feelings remain. Heās jealous both because he and Casca are now romantically involved, and the start of that was choosing himānot Griffith (āI want to be Griffithās swordā no longer applies). Guts also indicates frustration over Cascaās feelings because heās also thinking about himself.Ā Heās come back with his new swagger, determined never to be anything less than Griffithās equal, never content to be below himāhis belongingāever again, but heās still dealing with feeling like he is below Griffith. It isnāt just romantic jealousy, but Guts lashing out at Casca because theyāre parallels. They both were enamored with Griffith. They both realized that he could not give them what they really needed, and that being under him or feeling bound to him is no good for them and they deserve better. But theyāre both still dealing with those feelings of admiration and inadequacy anywayāthe inability to measure up, and lashing out at Casca is also Guts lashing out at himself.
I donāt think people realize thisā¦but Guts has no obligation to take care of Casca. Itās not like shes his wife, they arenāt married nor did he promise her anything. They dated for like, two weeks then the eclipse happened and tragically Casca became disabled. I know it sounds shitty, but I donāt see how people expected Gutās to spend his life caring for her, making her a priority when he could be working on his own mental healthā¦.
Hey Anon!
No offense, but I donāt think you realize that Guts and Casca loved each other way before they even ādatedā, as you said. xD
I mean, he offered her to come along with him and leave the Band of the Falcon right after they realized they were deeply attracted to each other. Rather than calling that dating, Iād say it sounds more like a proposal of sorts. Anyway, Berserkās world has nothing to do with ours so the social constructions just arenāt the same.
My point being, nothing really binds Guts to Casca, he has no obligation as you say, which is why he went on his own as the Black Swordsman for two years. So the reason he chose to make her a priority when he came back is very easy to understand...
Itās because he loves her a lot.
Yes, itās that simple. :3 However if youāre one of these fans who think they just slept together once with no deep feeling behind, then I think you should reread the story because youāre missing a lot on the main dynamic which is theirs, with Griffith.
Additionally, itās because he loves her and makes her his priority, that Guts himself will eventually be able to heal.
TL;DR there is no depth that love cannot pull you back from. Thatās what Berserk is about.
šššš Him protecting her literally improved his mental health and they've been friends for 3 years before falling in love with each other.............
Oof. Still can't believe Berserk fans totally misconstrue Guts' character like this but who was I kidding for thinking otherwise? It seems like certain fans desperately want Guts to be that jerk "alpha male" personality when he simply isn't. š
The fact that Guts has āno obligationā to care for Casca but does so relentlessly anyways, is part of what makes Berserk an amazing story. Itās selfless dedication based entirely on unconditional love. The only reason he was able to leave for two years w/o worry is cause he thought she was safe & sound. He was very upset when he found out she got lostā¦
Iām a new berserk fan and Iāve recently got to the part where Guts swears never to loose Casca again. But, I find it odd that he abandoned her for Two years straight and essentially forgot about her for years almost like he was avoiding her now that sheās āinsaneā It just seems out of character imo. If you love someone you stick by them no matter what right?
I think that when you watch all of your friends (basically family) be ripped to pieces and eaten in front of you, are betrayed by someone you loved and respected, and watch the woman you love be raped in front of you while you desperately scream and cut off your own arm trying to reach her and stop it, and see the life sucked out of her by what happened and your baby that you didn't even know had been conceived be miscarried and corrupted by demonic energy, you become traumatized in a way that you and I are probably entirely incapable of grasping and that trauma alters who you are, at least temporarily if not permanently. It becomes a part of you even if you donāt want it to, and it warps how you see the world and yourself and the people you care about who remain in it.
The eclipse was a horrifically traumatic event truly beyond words, and both Guts and Casca checked out after it happened, in their own different ways. Casca's mind retreated, and Guts' did too, but in a way that still left him able to walk and talk. I would still not at all refer to him as sane after the eclipse. Pre-eclipse Guts and the Guts we find in the opening pages of the manga are very different people, right? The latter Guts does not feel like himself. He's practically deranged, he laughs manically in situations that are very much not funny, heās basically trying to commit suicide by apostle,Ā he has sex with a demon just to get a kill, he has violent outbursts whenever he's confronted with the demon baby due to the desperate terror and dread its presence makes him feel, he's regressed back into being afraid of touch from even a tiny little elf, he keeps people at arm's length. He is in the worst mental state of his entire life. It's so bad that after The Lost Children chapter, his rage and trauma manifests into a being that is separate and yet a part himself called The Beast of Darkness. That being, whether real or imagined (perhaps both at different pointsāmade real still only by Gutsā psyche and his existence in the interstice... and thus something we could probably interpret as schizophrenia with a magic boost) is a manifestation of Gutsā trauma and the darkness inside him that was formed from the eclipse. It is a part of him and yet separate from him at the same time, in a truly fascinating way that allows the exploration of how trauma alters the psyche. How much of that dark and ugly mass inside you that scares you is simply the new you? How much of that is something separate from the true you and possessing you against you will? Do you feed it? Do you ignore it? Do you try to purge it or starve it out? Can it be purged or starved out or will it be with you, looming over your back forever?Ā
When something traumatic happens, rarely, if ever, can someone instantly look at it and immediately begin to deal with it/process it. But looking at Casca (stripped of who she was, like a ghost of the woman he knew and admired, her mental state a constant reminder of what happened) is looking at that trauma before Guts really even has the capacity to face it. Avoiding her is avoiding confronting that trauma.Ā
Godo puts it very well:
You were right beside those irreplaceable things... yet you couldn't bear to immerse yourself together in sorrow with them. So instead, you ran away so that your own malice could burn inside you.
Godo also refers to Guts' ever declining mental state:Ā
Youāre like a sword drawn on the battlefield. One with countless nicks, soaked in blood and rusting... with a lethal crack in it. A sword thatās begun to break.Ā
Guts running away is also about lack of hope. He was so caught up in grief and rage and trauma that he couldnāt see that there were pieces left of the life he thought he had lost completely. Casca and Rickert were still there, but Guts, blinding by everything that had happened, could not see it. To him, it was as if everything had been lost. There was nothing left to fight for, nothing left to salvage. The only course was revenge. It was the only way he understood how to keep moving. And part of that, is because even vowing to destroy the apostles, and hating Griffith... Guts is still operating under Griffithās philosophy until "A Feeble Flameā (I have a very lengthy post about life philosophies Guts cycles through here).Ā Griffithās philosophy dictated that if anyone trampled on your Dream, you should oppose that personĀ ābody and soulā, and Guts tries to do exactly that, before realizing that Griffithās philosophy is brokenāthat his own dream is no self-focused ambition, but the peopleāthe community he has around him, and Griffithās philosophy is antithetical to that andĀ has only caused him to cast previous things from the palm of his hand twice now. He couldnāt see the irreplaceable things that were right in front of him because he was so consumed by revenge. He couldnāt see Cascaāthe truth and hope of her, the possibility of rebuilding and healing. Not until Godo put it right there in front of him.Ā
Volume 17ā²sĀ āCracks in the Bladeā andĀ āA Feeble Flameā are both incredible defining chapters for Guts (two of my absolute favorites in the entire manga)Ā and well worth pouring over to understand where he had been stuck and how he figures out how to pull himself out of it. They pull in so much of the previous things Guts had said and felt. The line,Ā āThe campfire from those days still burns in my chestā gets me every time. I can feel Gutsā renewed, feeble, but desperate hope spilling out when I readĀ āA Feeble Flameā. Itās one of the best pieces of reading Iāve ever had the pleasure to consuming... the hope in the midst of incredible despair and suffering that before seemed insurmountable... which is why Berserk is ultimately a hopeful story.Ā
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So a while back, I finished reading your wonderful fic, Parenthood (beautiful job, btw. I adore it!) and I gotta ask: did you have any inspiration for Gutsā goofy behavior in chapter 8? Like the fact that he was getting on Cascaās nerves and him actually picking his nose absolutely SLAYED me and I gotta know what made you come up with that lol
*Goes and looks up my own fic to remember what chapter 8 was* lol
Gosh I assume it was some of Guts' more goofy faces and behaviors in the manga and his tendency to tease Casca.
I believe that Berserk as a story is about maturing as a person and learning to deal with oneās emotions. Therapy, essentially, but in the form of an action manga. Throughout the story we see our main character Guts struggling with maintaining his humanity in the face of turning into a literal rage monster. This is paralleled with Griffithās transformation into a demonĀ
But what does the demon transformation actually mean? Who lets this happen to them? I think this represents the easy solution to the struggle of life, which is learning to understand and process oneās emotions. In a difficult situation, too painful to handle, the sacrifice presents itself as the solution.Ā
Griffithās journey as a character is presented as the antithesis to Gutsā. Throughout the story we see Griffith repressing his emotions or trying to ignore them. This manifests itself as self harming or trying to feel dominant by having sex with women (classis toxic masculinity). Griffithās transformation into Femto comes with this scene
The second image was all I could find but basically it is revealed that the behelits are actually tears. It is the pain of the person that summons the demons, and the sacrificeās promise is that they will never again shed another tear. It is interesting to me that the first thing Griffith does after turning into femto is performatively severing his ties with Guts by raping Casca. Itās meant to insult him and make sure that Guts has no power over him. Guts was the only person Griffith ever loved, and therefore the only one who had power over him.
Now letās look at Guts as a character. Unlike Griffith, he gradually opens up to people and learns to see himself as the sum of his experiences with other people. The cracks in the blade represent all of his interactions that have changed him as a person. The life long trauma of being raped by Gambino is finally processed when he reveals it to Casca and she accepts him. She had previously done the same when she opened up to him about her past
In a way this relationship is the most satisfying in this story because both of them find someone who accepts them for who they are. Casca is loved by Guts, she doesnāt have to be content with serving him with all her skill and strength like with Griffith, while getting no affection in return. She gets to be loved and appreciated by someone she is genuinely attracted to. And so does Guts.
Also, Guts sees Casca as a person and not an object to be used and then thrown away like Griffith does. The only time when he does see her like that, is when he is on the verge of becoming a monster himself.
So here we have a story in which big manly man dude matures and grows as a person and actually manages to be happy for once by opening up to someone he loves and respects and showing vulnerability. And that theme repeats itself. Right when he is on the verge of losing his humanity, opening up to people and forming relationships with them restores a certain amount of peace for him. Thatās why he smiles again for the first time in like, a million chapters when he acquires his new companions
But the most significant thing about this story for me has to do with something Godo said to Guts.
āThe thing about hatred is, itās the place where people who canāt look sorrow in the eye without wavering run off too.ā
So what is revenge, or the demonic sacrifice? Itās cowardice. Itsās fear. Fear of mourning, of grieving, of understanding and processing your pain. THAT is the temptation of the beast of darkness. Giving in to weakness. Guts wandered off for three years on murderman revenge quest because he wasnāt strong enough to deal with his grief, and it almost turned him into a monster. He hasnāt even fully processed what happened to him, or Griffith and his transformation. In fact, he seems to be avoiding to reconcile the demon that raped Casca in front of him and the man who was his best friend and truly loved and admired. He seems to have mentally separated the two, compartmentalized Griffith so he could process him. He wants to kill the monster but doesnāt know quite how to feel about the friend. Thatās why when Griffith regains his human form, GutsĀ āforgetsā to kill him.
So in the end, Guts is the struggler, not because he fights day and night with abominations and horrors but because he chooses the path of maintaining his ability to feel and constantly trying to make the right choices moving forward, reexamining his priorities and dealing with his traumas. The story is telling us that the real manly man is the one who learns how to deal with his feelings. The struggle, is exactly that. And the other side is the side of cowardice, represented by those who sacrifice their humanity to the demons or let themselves become consumed by their dark side.Ā
So this story about muscle man big sword swoosh swoosh entrails flying everywhere is actually as story about feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings masquerading as a hypermasculine power fantasy. A girlsā manga disguised as a boyās manga, as Kentauro Miura kinda implied in an interview. And this is why I fuckin love it. Berserk said go learn how to be a functional individual. So long strugglers. See you in therapy.
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Guts reaction to hearing skull knight say the demon infant was his child is truely heartbreaking. When he has been through the worst, it actually got even more worse.