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Cringe culture might be dead, but its cousin, purity culture, is still not. We need to fix that
restating my point: if youre a proshipper kill yourself rn
Are you done talking? Get better material
Kill me yourself you lazy coward

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This is probably an unpopular opinion, but age gaps shouldnât really count as problematic. Like, yeah, you got the really large age gaps and stuff that involves ages under 18, and those count, but two years? Or even four? Thatâs not super problematic, assuming both characters in the ship are adults at least (in terms of the 4 year example, but 2 years between teenagers isnât huge).
I guess my point really is that even though it can be, age gap ships arenât inherently problematic and it all really depends on the gap itself.
I seriously donât understand whatâs up with antis and not following their own DNI. Like...that person clearly has proship in their URL/blog header why would you interact and not just block? Did you just somehow not notice?? Also most of the time youâre in pro shippers DNI too so how about respect other peopleâs DNI if you want yours respected regardless of whether or not you agree with them?
KInd of an add on to one of my previous posts but it needs to be said:
Being a victim isnât an excuse to harass others either. Iâm sorry you went through what you had to go through but you cannot use it to justify being an asshole.
Dead ass idk how anyone expects people to âconsume media criticallyâ when no one gives a single definition of what that means?? It could literally mean anything from âhave an understanding that this is bad irlâ (which is a reasonable request) to âyou canât like this at all and every time the media is so much as mentioned you have to go into a tirade or mention what is bad in it and whyâ (which is fucking absurd)
Being a minor is not a valid excuse for harassing others. No matter how old you are you are responsible for the actions you take online. No exceptions.

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Antis totally arenât a cult guys
So AntiTakesV2 on twitter posted some screenshots from an antiâs thread trying to explain that itâs us proship folk that are a cult. The url and pfp are censored for privacy but hoo lawdy I wanna debunk this. Letâs pop on our double-bullshit-seeing glasses and take a squiz at this, shall we?
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Hot take but thereâs no such thing as âirredeemable mediaâÂ
Why?Â
Because watching media with problematic themes doesnât mean you condone it irl duhÂ
ship and let ship
whatever you like in media does not reflect on your morals as a person. your ships do not necessarily mean you enjoy said trope irl. âyou can ship whatever except-â that is not a thing that should exist. who cares if the ship is toxic or abusive; someone saying they like that ship does not mean âi like this irlâ. toxic and abusive relationships in media are up there with the umbrella term of âtaboo mediaâ and sometimes we like media under that umbrella because it is intense and different, or we are using it to cope with our problems and trauma. there is no shame in shipping two fictional people. âbut the artist really really hates that ship, is it allowed to be shipped?â there are literally no rules to shipping. when a creator puts their work into the public eye they must accept that their work will be interpreted in ways they do not agree with, and so it is unfair to coddle the creator by adhering to only THEIR views on their work. it is limiting what art truly is and can be (defining it to only one interpretation). there is no ârightâ interpretation of a work of fiction. there doesnât need to be âevidenceâ for a valid interpretation. despite this though, we shouldnât completely discard the authorâs intentions; when shipping something that goes against their intentions or wishes, we should keep in mind that this was NOT what the author intended and it never was. a problem arises only when people a) enforce their own, differing interpretation onto the author and demand for it to be canon b) claim that this starkly different interpretation is what the author intended. otherwise, do whatever with your ships. you wanna ship two people who were in a toxic, non-romantic relationship? go for it. you wanna ship a wholesome relationship that wasnât exactly canon? go for it. nothing is stopping you except yourself. it is art, and it is infinite. so go ship those two toxic assholes or go make a wholesome ship toxic if you like to do such. itâs your fictional experience, and the only rules there are are yours.
anti: proship freaks are pedophiles who should kill themselves get therapy
anti, tagging their post as #proship, #proship safe, #proship please interact, #proshippers please interact, #pro ship, #pro shipping, #anti anti, #anti anti safe:
proshipper: my therapist says this is fine, actually
anti: ew read my dni you fucking freak donât fucking talk to me kill yourself your therapist is wrong
proshippers have their own tags for a reason? if you come over to a group, enter their spaces, and kick dirt all over them, intentionally provoke them - you canât get mad when they respond. by tagging your shit with #proship safe and #proshippers please interact thatâs saying that you want them to interact.
Antis, weâll stay out of your space, but you better stay the fuck out of ours tooÂ
Honestly these arguments about "anti's" and "ship and let ship" are so bullshit when held up to the light. Oh, you like the idea of this child and this adult in a relationship together? Cool! Now tell your boss about it. Tell your mom. Tell your neighbor who has kids. Tell anyone outside of this anonymous environment.
Because you fucking won't. You know it's wrong and fucked up to want a child to have a relationship with an adult. YOU KNOW that any sane real world person would think you're a disgusting piece of shit if you told them. So you stay in your little online community :) where you can bully others online with no consequences. Because no one would want to be around you if you told them this shit in real life.
Except you know what this is really about.
THINGS I HAVE PERSONALLY READ OR WRITTEN THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE TOLD ME ARE PEDOPHILIA:
âa relationship between an 18-year-old and a 20-year-old whoâve known each other since they were both in single digits. Apparently the fact that they lived in the same orphanage also makes this incest. The fact that the 20-year-old did not actually know his own age, and thought he was himself barely 19, did not matter.
âtwo 17-year-olds dating. Not having sex, mind you. Just dating.
âa story with a four-year-old in it who is mentioned as taking a bath. The bath itself is not described particularly, except that itâs commented that itâs the first warm bath sheâs ever had and she is DELIGHTED. Acknowledging that children bathe makes me a pedophile, I guess.
âAn anecdote about my own real actual life in which I revealed my aunt and uncle got married when she was 34 and he was 51, a year after they met for the first time. Iâm just saying, one of them committed real actual child abuse and stole three kids, and it wasnât the older one.
âa postcanon story with two people IN THEIR THIRTIES, because one of them is âchild-coded.â I should note here that the âcodingâ in question is that the character is very short, and canonically gets deeply angry when people assume heâs in elementary school instead of high school.
âa story where a three-thousand-year-old ghost who is mentally still 17 dates a 17-year-old.
And now, the proof that all of this is about shipping wank:
âI have seen someone say Usagi/Mamoru (14/16) is not pedophilia, but Usagi/Haruka (15/16) IS. BY THE SAME PERSON.
Learn what pedophilia actually is. It isnât a word for any ship you dislike, and its definition involves REAL ACTUAL HARM AGAINST REAL ACTUAL CHILDREN. NOT CARTOONS.
Until you can do that, shut the fuck up.
Love,
A survivor of ACTUAL pedophilia, as in a man in his thirties got off with my three-year-old body, who is fucking LIVID at people like you pretending thatâs the same as somebodyâs super-niche slash fic.
Now I know this mf did not just completely misinterpret OPs point cuz theyre not talking abt irrelevant age gaps or complete non-issues but rather people shipping a MINOR with an ADULT (12/18, 15/19, etc.), aging UP a minor because they want their omegaverse fetish fanfic to "not actually be bad" (news flash: Its always been bad), shipping an adult character that is PURPOSEFULLY made to look like a child with an adult character that does actually look like another adult character because "technically its legal" (but the fact u see a child-esque as fuckable anyway is fucking nasty), and other fucked up situations. Shout that you're a trauma survivor all you want, but there are other trauma survivors that don't want more of the aforementioned nasty shit to be continuously spread because its not actually empowering to them and they agree that it does MORE harm than good. Get a fucking grip
Bitch, I never said I thought a child was fuckable. If you canât make a point without straight-up lying and gaslighting, then go get some fucking psychological help for yourself. Same if you canât TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LITERAL FICTION AND REALITY. Because that isnât my problem, itâs yours. Fuck you.
Tell people you read Game of Thrones. Tell your parents, your boss, your coworkers. You think theyâre going to go âoh my gosh, youâre a fucking pedo rapistâ just because Game of Thrones includes rape, incest, and underage sex?
Of fucking course not.
On the other hand, try telling people what kind of - totally vanilla - porn you enjoy. Your parents, your boss, your coworkers. Theyâre probably going to think youâre inappropriate and a freak because explicitly discussing sexual content with people like that is considered inappropriate.
See, most people in the world, if you said âI read a novel that included incest or pedophilia, and I thought it was a good novelâ wouldnât immediately think that you were a horrible person who wanted to engage in those things, theyâd think âwow that was probably a heavy readâ
But even so, you know how many ânormalâ people watch professionally produced pornography that includes incest, pseudo-incest, or ârapeâ? Because I used to sell porn. A LOT of people enjoy or get off to things they wouldnât in a million years engage in iRL.
Just because thereâs a smattering of people who were ALREADY going to hurt people using fiction as an excuse doesnât make it the fault of the creators of that fiction.
So, frankly, fuck right off with this bullshit âpurity panicâ crap. You just want to condemn and harass people you donât like, and you want the world to conform to your narrow and highly variable idea of morality. Just like every abusive religious zealot Iâve ever fucking met.
Absolutely everything that they said ^ people in REAL WORLD SPACES are able to tell the difference between fiction and reality ^ internal thoughts are not moral indicators; actions are (watching/getting off to fucked up porn or enjoying complex, but potentially damaging, themes do not mean people condone those actions. Going out and doing/hurting other people is what makes someone (a bad person))
But also like
First things first, aging up characters??? Is literally fucking saying "Oh haha you're a child, and that's weird..." /I don't want to see a child in this situation, so I'll make you an adult, instead/
'Hey, a sixteen year old shouldn't be drinking alcohol. Think about that when you're an adult.' isn't "pushing alcohol onto minors." It's saying that alcohol is not for minors, while still acknowledging that kids will grow up some day.
'I'm not comfortable thinking about a teenager having sex, so let's imagine that they're old enough to /not be a child/ and mature enough to understand the weight of their decisions" ((ultimately, the issue with pedophilia is that children cannot consent, as they are not mentally mature enough to)) The author is literally acknowledging that the idea of minors having sex makes them uncomfortable, but no they're a pedophile- someone who is /attracted to minors (in a sexual manor)/
Not to mention:
EVERYONE HEALS DIFFERENTLY.
A trauma survivor who suffers from nightmares might want to write out what happened to them in order to vent- even if they can't bring themselves to read anything like that.
Some trauma survivors want to imagine a world where what they went through was worse to calm their fears.
Some trauma survivors want to imagine a scenario where what they went through was what they thought it was- they want to imagine it as if it was fluffy and happy and loving.
Some trauma survivors want to see themselves overcoming their pasts.
Some want to feel like they're not alone, missing all of the red flags up around them.
Some want to imagine a world where they DID see the red flags and got out.
All of those people are valid. There isn't a right way to cope! "It does more harm than help," is absolute bullshit. Some of the people that do write/draw/create such content are literally victims. Some of the people are victims that can't create for themselves.
No one is FORCING you to click on the ten k smut oneshot of a character lusting after their teacher. (A consent that is VERY popular in mainstream porn, but rooted in the oh so scary age gaps and power imbalances that make such content "problematic")
Some adult that remembers being that kid might want to click on it to have a laugh at their past self.
A hormonal teen with a huge crush on their teacher might click on that.
Someone who was exploited by their teacher might click on that to imagine a world where it wasn't that bad.
Someone who was exploited by their teacher might break out, sweating and shaking at the mere THOUGHT of clicking on that. So you know what they do? They scroll past. Next time, they filter those responses out.
And you know what? Maybe a week later, that same person has a nightmare and needs to imagine a different outcome where they weren't as badly damaged.
One size does NOT fit all, so fuck off with your "some trauma survivors" guilt trip.
Also, the point wasn't (these age gaps aren't that bad), it was: some people have called those "pedophilic" for no reason other than they don't like them.
Well how do you know that other people who advocate for "proshipping" aren't pedophiles and creeps and rapists! Well you know what? You don't, unless they mention in their little bio that they wish they could get away with that in real life or if they post an actual child and call it sexy or something.
But see also!
How do YOU know that the other people who advocate as "antis" aren't just using that as an excuse to harass innocent writers and artists for moral superiority? How do you know that they're not getting their kicks to sending people with "minors don't interact" or people with ages under eighteen death threats and SUICIDE baits?
Is the blog being called out ACTUALLY a pedophile? Or did they just disagree with o/p in 2010.
^ THAT ^ is GENUINELY harmful to both survivors and non survivors.
Innocent creators being labeled as "pedophiles" because they said "you can write fucked up shit, just tag it so I dont accidentally click on it," is not only completely harmful to that person, but also to people who are trying to create safe spaces for themselves, for everyone who ACTUALLY wants to run pedophiles off of their spaces.
The word "pedophile" has been DRASTICALLY watered down. Why? Spoiler alert: it's not because of the people properly tagging their fucked up fanfiction.
The witch trials burned a lot more innocents than they did witches, and you know what happened to that word after? No one took it seriously.
The only difference? Pedophiles are genuine threats.
Shippers aren't the ones "helping" pedophiles.
It's the people who throw around heavy words without taking two minutes to think about the real world consequences of those actions.
Not to mention anti spaces are actually a breeding ground for real legitimate pedophiles. Screaming at cartoons and fan fiction is an excellent diversion tactic to ensure people donât notice the real kids being abused.
There was a literal CSEM ring on Twitter that consisted almost entirely of antis. Most antis also defend shit like Cuties which had actual children abused to make it.
Also another question to ask is... if these people truly hated gross content... why would they keep on engaging with it instead of blocking the artists? Why do they keep sharing explicit porn amongst themselves if they think itâs gross?
Almost like they actually are fans of that gross content and donât want to admit it... and will do anything, even abuse real people, to convince others theyâre pure.

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Next time antis are being, well, antis, show them this:
So a child came to you with concerns and criticism, and rather than ignoring said criticism because it wasnât relevant to the fan work (taking your word for this), you decided to belittle them and imply their parents should be monitoring their internet use.
Cool. Cool thing you did there. Cool way for an adult to treat a child.
I wonder how theyâre going to respond the next time they see something fucked up in fandom, or worse, experience it. Like the rampant sexual harassment and assault at conventions. Do you think theyâre going to talk to an adult? Or do you think theyâre going to internalise it as just part of the fandom and their fault for showing up?
But hey, you sure showed that middle-schooler.
If a child came to OP with concerns and criticism about adult content they shouldnât be viewing, then their parents should be monitoring their internet usage because they arenât obeying rating based restrictions.
If a 12 year old snuck into see Deadpool or It and then complained to the threats about it, the theater would probably call their parents and report them for sneaking into an R rated movie.
Ratings are their for a reason.
Also, âtalk to your parents/other trusted adultâ if something upsets you is good advice. OP is telling them they need to talk to an adult, their parents, not a stranger on the internet.
If an adult has a problem with a childâs behavior offline, a light warning and speaking to the parents is how it goes, nothing odd about that. But online, as much as we would like to have an adult conversation about how little Timmy needs to stop peeking in neighborâs windows because heâs not ready to understand swinging and pony play yet and besides heâs breaking the law, we have to interact with the children themselves in a more direct fashion. We have to rely on them to ask their parents to step up and parent, and thatâs more responsibility than some of them want to handle.
What I do find ironic about this entire situation is that the children donât hesitate to demand that the adult fans treat them like the children they are, but when we do, theyâre upset. They donât want, âThe sign means âstay outâ Timmy,â or âIâm going to have to talk to your mother, Timmy,â but âPour the booze down the toilet, babyproof the house and turn the whole world into a Zero Tolerance zone because Timmy exists.â For a group thatâs so staunchly anti-kink, theyâre very into ageplay and topping from the bottom.
ââŚthe children donât hesitate to demand that the adult fans treat them like the children they are, but when we do, theyâre upset.â
T H A T is the fucking truth right there. I get sick of hearing âIâm a minor, itâs your responsibility as an adult to protect me from seeing bad things!!â and then when my response is âstay away from my blog, stay away from my AO3, and if you arenât old enough to be seeing occasional porn then tumblr isnât a good place for you because itâs a poorly designed website and youâre gonna stumble on that shitâ, then Iâm still not doing my job.
what the fuck do you expect me to do? I really wanna know. other than tagging and slapping big, obvious warning labels on anything I post, I want to know what Iâm expected to do to protect minors with internet access.
See, what I think is happening is that they REALLY want to not have to see the age-inappropriate things they PERSONALLY donât like, without having to put in any effort to avoid said things. If their parents start monitoring their computer stuff, they wonât be able to see the age-inappropriate stuff they DO want to see. After all, if NSFW stuff is properly tagged, they shouldnât have been able to see it in the first place unless they were already looking for NSFW things, right?
This.
Warnings are posted for a reason. As a content creator, the extent of my responsibility is to appropriately rate and tag things that have potentially upsetting content. Avoiding those things is the responsibility of the consumer, not the creator.
If I forget to tag something, by all means, let me know! But donât complain to me when something tagged with tw: gore contains graphic violence.
Once again: this is a kid walking into the front bar of a pub, and being shocked, shocked, I tell you, that alcoholic beverages are on sale. (Oh, and how dare the bartender tell them theyâre going to have to present ID in order to be served!)
If you choose, of your own accord, to go into the adult place marked with the sign saying âadults onlyâ and to click âyes, Iâm an adultâ on the warning that pops up before you get to see anything, then yes, the site owners are within their rights to presume you are capable of dealing with whatever shows up as a result.Â
What I do find ironic about this entire situation is that the children donât hesitate to demand that the adult fans treat them like the children they are, but when we do, theyâre upset. They donât want, âThe sign means âstay outâ Timmy,â or âIâm going to have to talk to your mother, Timmy,â but âPour the booze down the toilet, babyproof the house and turn the whole world into a Zero Tolerance zone because Timmy exists.â For a group thatâs so staunchly anti-kink, theyâre very into ageplay and topping from the bottom.
EXACTLY.Â
UPDATED: Antis, letâs talk about child predators, pedophiles, CP, grooming, and everything in between; Because either you really donât understand the significance of these terms or youâre conflating them with other terms and misappropriating the definitions
I am here to discredit the myth that Problematic Ships are commonly used for grooming, or Lolicon and Shotacon. I am making this to help shippers feel secure in the fact they are not creating pedophiles or child molesters, or that the shipping makes them pedophiles or child molesters or abusers. Â
This is also for educational purposes, for giving the factual and scientific definitions and understandings of what Antis typically love to misuse and falsely accuse others of.
***In no way is this to discredit those who were victims of grooming that did use ships or anime genres that were not meant for children to begin with; your trauma is valid, what you went through is valid, and you deserve to feel how you feel towards something after itâs been misuse and abused by a monster.***
What is Pedophilia?
Profile of Child Predators [Pedophile vs. Child Molesters]
What is Grooming?Â
Grooming tactics
What is Online Grooming? [IRL grooming vs. Online grooming]
What is CP? [What makes it legally Child Porn]
What are Obscenity Laws? [Laws which Antis typically support and cite]
SIM CP Laws of America
SIM CP Laws of other countries
Critique of banning and heavily censoring genres like anime, manga, sexual violence, lolicon/shotacon, and the issue with supporting governmental and large corporation censorship
What is Lolicon/Shotacon? And why it is not child porn
Normalization and Desensitization regarding Fiction
Fiction used to cope and heal
The dangers and harm misusing serious terms like pedophilia/pedophile cause
Antis use of Slippery Slope and radical zealot/far-right conservative rhetoricÂ
Why there is no real Moral Responsibility in fiction / Why Antis show an unhealthy amount of Moral Purity and Disgust Sensitivity, or Imaginative Resistance to fiction.
If youâd like, you can read the entire research paper in full here.
Not only is this to debunk and absolutely crush every Antis argumentative claim and accusation, but this post is also for educational purposes and for pro-shipper, Anti-antis, survivors and victims to use in their own debates/arguments, especially since I know a majority of Antis will not take the time to read my research, and so I give this out to the public for use.