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You ever think the bat kids get pissed off and frame Bruce for a crime? Like a small one so he goes to prison for a week or something like that. Long enough to make him mad but not enough to do real damage.
If Oliver Queen decided not to be Green Arrow but still adopted his kids can you imagine the things they say. Like when they have to leave a meeting and everyone thinks it’s an excuse
Like Roy at a JL meeting saying “sorry I have to go, my dad just punched the mayor” or “sorry I have to go, my dad started a fight with Deathstroke”
Completely serious too. They don’t even know his secret identity until he tells them then they look him up and articles of shit Olivier’s done comes up.
They realize he was completely serious and his dad is insane.
That time he was fighting with Deathstroke? It wasn’t physical. Oliver was yelling at him for being a pedophile and Slade was too stunned at the audacity of this random civilian to do anything
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can we have ma , pa kent and the rest or the super fam's reaction to timkon baby . its just been so stuck in my mind little baby
Pa, holding the baby: So this is our great-grandson?
Clark: No, Pa, not-
Pa, glaring at Clark: This is our great-grandson, Clark. Our great-grandboy.
Clark: He has Conner's DNA and Tim's, he's like Conner was, not really-
Pa, adamantly: I'm a farmer, Clark. I know all about DNA and genes and I got to say, he's got my nose. Like you did.
Clark: Sure, pop.
Ma, holding her great-grandson: You remind me so much of your grandpa. But you won't chew on my vacuum cleaner, won't you? No, you won't, because your mommy is so clever, isn't he? Tim, dear, have another cookie.
Tim, full to bursting: Mrs Kent-
Ma: You know full well that it's Ma. And you need your strength. Now, once you're done your cookies, you go have a lie down, you hear?
Lois, eyeing Clark pushing a pram: Did you fuck Bruce Wayne again?
Clark: Oh my god Lois, Dick is not my biological son, put away the red string, you didn't connect the dots.
I know that it’s a common mischaracterization that Cass can’t speak. But how scary would it be if she didn’t speak as batgirl.
Like, in the beginning, she never really spoke because she felt too insecure about her pronunciation and everything to actually be intimidating. But as she learned, she just kinda kept it.
Because even Batman will speak. Sure it’s short and blunt, but he will give you an opportunity to stand down. But Batgirl will make you surrender. No questions asked, you either give up immediately, or you’re getting your ass handed to you.
There’s one singular time she spoke to someone. It was a random goon that was just handcuffed. She asked him; “do you think it will rain?” He didn’t know how to respond and just shrugged. Batgirl just nodded and disappeared into the night.
Everyone thought the guy was concussed and hallucinating.
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The saddest part about Cass being neglected in adaptations and ESPECIALLY video games is that she has one of the coolest fucking outfits of all time, like bruh she's tailor-made for concept artists to make cool ass redesigns.
situationship stephcass where they could never really date because cass will always prioritise the mission and bruce and always side with bruce even though hes been so awful to steph
Crack idea where non batfam heroes come to Gotham expecting the criminals to be most scared of Batman but Gothams criminals are much more scared of Batgirl (Cass.
Bonus points if the heroes don’t know about Cass’ existence
Goon: I'm afraid
Hero from another town: Batman won't hurt you
Goon: Batman? Fuck Batman. It's the smaller one - she, she - SHE'S RIGHT ABOVE US
Hero: There's nobody- WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT
your post about Batgirl vs. Orphan was beautiful! I'm so curious now what you think about BlackBat?
Thank you!!! This is an interesting question because I see Orphan & Batgirl as two sides of the same coin, but Black Bat imo has to be reckoned with separately. This is mainly due to Black Bat having really only 5 significant issues to discuss. While Batgirl and Orphan has a lot to work with, we have to fill in a lot of Black Bat's gaps, which is why Black Bat is imo the most divisive/variably interpreted of Cass' mantles. So my interpretation here is just my own!!
As I said in that post, Batgirl is a legacy from Cass' mother and Orphan is a legacy from Cass' father. But Black Bat is not a legacy at all. Black Bat is a complete departure for Cass' character because to me it symbolises disillusionment with legacy. The events leading up to Black Bat are: Cass 'kills' Shiva; Cass refutes David as her father, accepting Bruce's adoption; Bruce dies; Cass leaves Gotham and Barbara behind. She has cut herself off, or has been cut off, from all of her parents. In many ways Black Bat!Cass is more an orphan than Orphan ever was.
Cass kind of says this to Tim when he hands her the Black Bat costume in RR#17. Tim invites her back to the family, but Cass evades and states Steph is already Batgirl. Cass essentially rejects both Batgirl and her family - she accepts the suit, but she says "family is not always home..."
For Cass, for whom family has ALWAYS meant home - from growing up with David to living with Babs to fighting in Bruce's Gotham - this marks a striking turning point in her mindset. This is influenced by the evil Cass era ofc, but also by Bruce's death. The evil Cass era destroyed her redemption; Bruce's death tore out a fundamental part of her (both because she gave up Batgirl and because Cass has always seen herself in Bruce. I cannot overstate how much I think his death broke her up... the man who represented life, the man who said with her 'nobody dies tonight', the man who said "you'll always have a family as long as I'm around"... the man who is her... for him to die... OUGDHLKD).
In a similar way to Orphan this is Cass at her lowest, but kinda even lower because while Orphan had Bruce, pre-Black Bat Cass had no one. She didn't even have Gotham. But Black Bat (unlike Orphan) does not represent the isolation itself, it represents Cass' attempt to come to terms with it, not through reconnecting with Bruce or Babs or Steph but purely by herself. Black Bat symbolises her attempt to understand who she is without legacy or family.
(I HAVE discussed my hc before that Black Bat comes from Tai'Darshan's nickname for her which I believe deeply, but that also shows her disillusionment with her previous life. Taking a nickname from Tai - someone who never knew her real name - is basically Cass starting from a blank slate. Tai's death is also the thing that snowballs into Bruce firing Cass as Batgirl in BG 2000. There is so much grief involved in the name Black Bat - grief for Tai, for Batgirl, for her relationship with Bruce, and for who Cass used to be.)
This comes to a head in Gates of Gotham #4 and #5:
Black Bat's presence in Gates of Gotham is soooo interesting. If Black Bat is Cass' attempt to define herself outside her family and Gotham, what happens when she comes back to the family, to the city? In #4, Cass comes to a realisation: "It's about how you choose to see the world". This is PURE conjecture btw but I think Bruce's death + her brainwashing made Cass doubt not only legacy, but agency. Her life has been built on a deep belief in choices/responsibility, but having her no-kill code violated, her family destroyed, and be helpless to stop it? Becoming Black Bat (not Batgirl or Batman) + her exile to Hong Kong could be seen as her 'giving up' on the power of her own choices, accepting she will never truly belong in the Batfam or Gotham.
But in Gates of Gotham Cass realises that giving up on agency is not a solution. That just as she could choose to come back, she can also choose to stay - everything else is "just an excuse". Regardless of whether Cass exiled herself to HK or Bruce asked her to go to HK, either way her journey to HK was not really a choice for Cass but a necessity, just to get away from it all (which we've seen her do before after Steph's death). But now she knows that some things - her family, her city - are worth fighting for, are worth choosing, even if they can be taken away. And so she chooses to stay.
That's the arc of Black Bat for me and why it operates a bit differently from Batgirl & Orphan!!! If Batgirl is who she is at her best and Orphan is who she is at her worst, then Black Bat is a transitional state - it's Cass stripped of any identity at all. Black Bat is a legacy-less identity that leads back to Cass' belief in legacy; it isn't a permanent identity for me either because it was forged under highly specific circumstances, and works best as a temporary (if highly important) journey. I think if New 52 hadn't happened, Cass would still have ended up outgrowing the need for Black Bat and becoming Batgirl with Steph. But anyway that's my word vomit askldjgbkdgs I hope that made sense!!!
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Would Cassandra ever have kids of her own under any circumstances? Hahahahaha. No.
Do I want Cassandra to be constantly stuck being responsible for other people's kids as much as possible for reasons of comedy? So much so you have no idea.
It's a common question asked by children all over the world with varying answers from the stork or finding babies under a cabbage leaf but in Gotham, parents came up with the much more local version. Where do babies come from? Batman brings them, obviously. The Robins? Children that couldn't find their parents in time so Batman kept them. And bad children? Where do you think all the Bats in Gotham come from?
So I imagine Bruce being on a rooftop one time and a little kid gets the drop on him, tugging his cape and Bruce is all like, "can I help you little guy? Also, why are you awake?" and the kid is all "look, don't turn me into a bat but I want a brother, so cough up?". And Bruce is just confused as fuck until the kid explains calmly, that his mom told him that Batman brings babies and he wants a brother, not a sister and yes, he's technically breaking his mom's rule about getting out of bed but he's brought some fruit so don't turn him into a bat, please and thank you? Bruce just nods and insists on bring the kid home and for years after he's completely confused by the exchange until Tim, freshly Robin, breaks it to him. "I left you chicken bones and a can of Coors Light for a month straight because wanted a sibling," gesturing to Dick, "It kind of worked?"
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