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I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think thatâs such a beautiful thing.
In the old days of Asia most educated people were monks, similar to how in Europe most educated people were historically part of a religious order. So one can see how their cultural mindset would affect their translation. I donât have a copy so I canât point to where exactly, but I remember reading the gospels as a child and noting how the translation sounded âzenâ and emphasized peace in a way the English version does not.
Youâre welcome. I hope that this insight on translations and cultural differences helps you understand that the Bible cannot be taken at face value and sociocultural context is important to understand the authorsâ and translatorsâ intentions. I peeked at your blog and was saddened by how you speak about other peopleâs characters because they donât agree on your biblical interpretations on LGBTQ people. Iâm not interested in arguing over this as I see how youâre unpleasant to other people you argue with. But I will say you are better off serving Jesus by criticizing the rich and serving the poor rather than being incendiary over peopleâs gender identities. Peace be with you.
No, but it does inform me of your opinion which is useful and what I was interested in. Itâs good to hear peopleâs arguments for theological diversity and to know where the text can be manipulated by people trying to update the Gospel to be more palatable to modern taste. Not interested in your logic around not having to actually do what the Bible says in the slightest. If I said something incorrect about someoneâs character, please point it out or hold your peace.
Calling all LGBTQ people psychotic liars, for one. Itâs neither true nor kind and not what Jesus would do. Our interpretations of the Bible do change, not to be more palatable to modern society, but to bring it in harmony with our understanding of things like science and ethics. Itâs more important to follow the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. Modernity isnât inherently evil. Itâs why we no longer believe divorce is a death sentence, masturbating is mass murder of unborn children, menstruating women are âimpureâ, or that the earth was created exactly how Genesis described. Itâs also why Christians should not tolerate slavery anymore even though it was accepted in the Bible and used during Americaâs earlier years to justify the practice.
Being psychotic is the best case scenario for people spreading these ideas and labeling them âpsychoticâ medicalizes a problem that is actually almost certainly a choice (itâs not a detachment from reality but a flagrant and self-serving twisting of scripture that flies in the face of all church history). I did it too when I thought I could replace Godâs standard with my own as a teenager. I thought I had the enlightened ideas and knew better than Him. I thought slavery in America was just like slavery in Israel. I thought God was evil and I knew better than Him what was good because why wouldnât two men marrying be just like a man and woman marrying? I was completely wrong but I wasnât psychotic. I was just totally an enemy of the Lord convinced I knew better.
No, the Bible doesnât have to be brought into harmony with anything. You prioritize being palatable to modern sentiments. Thatâs your choice. I donât agree with it here. God is good. He doesnât change. What He found abominable then He finds abominable now. What He outlined as marriage in Genesis 2 is still the law of marriage now. Itâs not bigotry to believe that.
Itâs funny and sad you claim to have grown as a teenager when your posts still read as edgy and presumptuous. Swapping out opposite beliefs means change, but it doesnât mean growth. Mindlessly repeating clobber verses is poor literacy and ignorance of the sociocultural context. Mentions of homosexuality in the bible are never about two consenting adults in love. Rather it referred to things like sex trafficking and pagan sex rituals. And do you still think women on their periods shouldnât enter holy places as the Bible commands or is our modern understanding of menstruation just another evil palatable modern sentiment to make us fall farther from God? Any serious religious scholar will say not everything in the bible is meant to be followed literally.
I am so sorry you had to encounter this crazy lady on Tumblr. She is so fucking delusional and is even twisting Scripture to fit her hellish worldview. Her chances of going to perdition will keep increasing if she keeps the bigotry up
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I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think thatâs such a beautiful thing.
In the old days of Asia most educated people were monks, similar to how in Europe most educated people were historically part of a religious order. So one can see how their cultural mindset would affect their translation. I donât have a copy so I canât point to where exactly, but I remember reading the gospels as a child and noting how the translation sounded âzenâ and emphasized peace in a way the English version does not.
Youâre welcome. I hope that this insight on translations and cultural differences helps you understand that the Bible cannot be taken at face value and sociocultural context is important to understand the authorsâ and translatorsâ intentions. I peeked at your blog and was saddened by how you speak about other peopleâs characters because they donât agree on your biblical interpretations on LGBTQ people. Iâm not interested in arguing over this as I see how youâre unpleasant to other people you argue with. But I will say you are better off serving Jesus by criticizing the rich and serving the poor rather than being incendiary over peopleâs gender identities. Peace be with you.
No, but it does inform me of your opinion which is useful and what I was interested in. Itâs good to hear peopleâs arguments for theological diversity and to know where the text can be manipulated by people trying to update the Gospel to be more palatable to modern taste. Not interested in your logic around not having to actually do what the Bible says in the slightest. If I said something incorrect about someoneâs character, please point it out or hold your peace.
Calling all LGBTQ people psychotic liars, for one. Itâs neither true nor kind and not what Jesus would do. Our interpretations of the Bible do change, not to be more palatable to modern society, but to bring it in harmony with our understanding of things like science and ethics. Itâs more important to follow the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. Modernity isnât inherently evil. Itâs why we no longer believe divorce is a death sentence, masturbating is mass murder of unborn children, menstruating women are âimpureâ, or that the earth was created exactly how Genesis described. Itâs also why Christians should not tolerate slavery anymore even though it was accepted in the Bible and used during Americaâs earlier years to justify the practice.
Being psychotic is the best case scenario for people spreading these ideas and labeling them âpsychoticâ medicalizes a problem that is actually almost certainly a choice (itâs not a detachment from reality but a flagrant and self-serving twisting of scripture that flies in the face of all church history). I did it too when I thought I could replace Godâs standard with my own as a teenager. I thought I had the enlightened ideas and knew better than Him. I thought slavery in America was just like slavery in Israel. I thought God was evil and I knew better than Him what was good because why wouldnât two men marrying be just like a man and woman marrying? I was completely wrong but I wasnât psychotic. I was just totally an enemy of the Lord convinced I knew better.
No, the Bible doesnât have to be brought into harmony with anything. You prioritize being palatable to modern sentiments. Thatâs your choice. I donât agree with it here. God is good. He doesnât change. What He found abominable then He finds abominable now. What He outlined as marriage in Genesis 2 is still the law of marriage now. Itâs not bigotry to believe that.
Itâs funny and sad you claim to have grown as a teenager when your posts still read as edgy and presumptuous. Swapping out opposite beliefs means change, but it doesnât mean growth. Mindlessly repeating clobber verses is poor literacy and ignorance of the sociocultural context. Mentions of homosexuality in the bible are never about two consenting adults in love. Rather it referred to things like sex trafficking and pagan sex rituals. And do you still think women on their periods shouldnât enter holy places as the Bible commands or is our modern understanding of menstruation just another evil palatable modern sentiment to make us fall farther from God? Any serious religious scholar will say not everything in the bible is meant to be followed literally.
happy to be ignorant of whatever context allows inversion of plain meaning. no, ×ִ׊ְ××Ö°Öź×ÖľÖŁ× ×ִ׊ָ֟×Ö× does not refer to pagan sex rituals or sex trafficking. I think if you sent an unclean person into the tabernacle because you felt God's laws were incorrect/unjust, you would find out very quickly where the actual problem was located like Korah and Cosbi did. God doesn't change. No serious religious scholar existed before 1900 who agreed with you. It's entirely a modern invention to pretend there is a gay version of marriage that is just as holy and valid as the sacrament God created in Genesis 2.
I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think thatâs such a beautiful thing.
In the old days of Asia most educated people were monks, similar to how in Europe most educated people were historically part of a religious order. So one can see how their cultural mindset would affect their translation. I donât have a copy so I canât point to where exactly, but I remember reading the gospels as a child and noting how the translation sounded âzenâ and emphasized peace in a way the English version does not.
Youâre welcome. I hope that this insight on translations and cultural differences helps you understand that the Bible cannot be taken at face value and sociocultural context is important to understand the authorsâ and translatorsâ intentions. I peeked at your blog and was saddened by how you speak about other peopleâs characters because they donât agree on your biblical interpretations on LGBTQ people. Iâm not interested in arguing over this as I see how youâre unpleasant to other people you argue with. But I will say you are better off serving Jesus by criticizing the rich and serving the poor rather than being incendiary over peopleâs gender identities. Peace be with you.
No, but it does inform me of your opinion which is useful and what I was interested in. Itâs good to hear peopleâs arguments for theological diversity and to know where the text can be manipulated by people trying to update the Gospel to be more palatable to modern taste. Not interested in your logic around not having to actually do what the Bible says in the slightest. If I said something incorrect about someoneâs character, please point it out or hold your peace.
Calling all LGBTQ people psychotic liars, for one. Itâs neither true nor kind and not what Jesus would do. Our interpretations of the Bible do change, not to be more palatable to modern society, but to bring it in harmony with our understanding of things like science and ethics. Itâs more important to follow the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. Modernity isnât inherently evil. Itâs why we no longer believe divorce is a death sentence, masturbating is mass murder of unborn children, menstruating women are âimpureâ, or that the earth was created exactly how Genesis described. Itâs also why Christians should not tolerate slavery anymore even though it was accepted in the Bible and used during Americaâs earlier years to justify the practice.
Being psychotic is the best case scenario for people spreading these ideas and labeling them âpsychoticâ medicalizes a problem that is actually almost certainly a choice (itâs not a detachment from reality but a flagrant and self-serving twisting of scripture that flies in the face of all church history). I did it too when I thought I could replace Godâs standard with my own as a teenager. I thought I had the enlightened ideas and knew better than Him. I thought slavery in America was just like slavery in Israel. I thought God was evil and I knew better than Him what was good because why wouldnât two men marrying be just like a man and woman marrying? I was completely wrong but I wasnât psychotic. I was just totally an enemy of the Lord convinced I knew better.
No, the Bible doesnât have to be brought into harmony with anything. You prioritize being palatable to modern sentiments. Thatâs your choice. I donât agree with it here. God is good. He doesnât change. What He found abominable then He finds abominable now. What He outlined as marriage in Genesis 2 is still the law of marriage now. Itâs not bigotry to believe that.
Itâs funny and sad you claim to have grown as a teenager when your posts still read as edgy and presumptuous. Swapping out opposite beliefs means change, but it doesnât mean growth. Mindlessly repeating clobber verses is poor literacy and ignorance of the sociocultural context. Mentions of homosexuality in the bible are never about two consenting adults in love. Rather it referred to things like sex trafficking and pagan sex rituals. And do you still think women on their periods shouldnât enter holy places as the Bible commands or is our modern understanding of menstruation just another evil palatable modern sentiment to make us fall farther from God? Any serious religious scholar will say not everything in the bible is meant to be followed literally.
happy to be ignorant of whatever context allows inversion of plain meaning. no, ×ִ׊ְ××Ö°Öź×ÖľÖŁ× ×ִ׊ָ֟×Ö× does not refer to pagan sex rituals or sex trafficking. I think if you sent an unclean person into the tabernacle because you felt God's laws were incorrect/unjust, you would find out very quickly where the actual problem was located like Korah and Cosbi did. God doesn't change. No serious religious scholar existed before 1900 who agreed with you. It's entirely a modern invention to pretend there is a gay version of marriage that is just as holy and valid as the sacrament God created in Genesis 2.
You realize you can't blame everything on modern inventions. The Bible doesn't condemn gay marriage or LGBTQ in general at all, but you're too delusional to realize that and are using mistranslated Scripture to justify your claims
People like you are worshipping a God who doesn't exist. And you can't just twist Scripture to fit with your delusional worldview (and undermine people like the Virgin Mary either)
I keep telling you this, the chances of you going to perdition will increase if you keep being hateful and spreading delusional lies
1. No scripture is being contradicted (literally, you're following the clobber verses, which are mistranslations and should not be followed unless you're following the correct translations)
2. God is all loving, so he would not be angry with the anon
3. Again, no scripture is being contradicted
4. Keep up the bigotry and hate (which btw is a sin) towards the LGBTQ+ and even other Christians like Roman Catholics (as well as literally any other group in general), you'll be the one on the road to perdition (literally, you undermined the literal mother of God, how could you not be on the road to perdition after that)
5. Your behavior on this site in general is similar to that of a pharisee
You can call them clobber verses all you'd like, they're still Biblical verses. You can translate them a million different ways, anyone who studies Greek and Hebrew can see what it meant in the original sense. I don't really see the point in arguing with someone who thinks there is no wrath of God. If there isn't, what was the point of Christ's sacrifice? Why would I care about being considered wrong here when you can't even get the basics of the faith correct?
They're not the correct versions of those verses though. Also clearly you can't see what they really mean because you let your bigotry overpower your compassion. Also not you talking about wrath when you yourself were being wrathful (which is a SIN) towards the LGBTQ. Also God is only wrathful towards evil. Also I do know the basics of the faith, but you don't :)
I think it's pretty obvious that's not true. It is interesting watching people appeal to expertise over and over again only to wind up at the "arsen" doesn't mean male and "koitai" doesn't mean bed over and over.
Most of these experts are stubborn and refuse to admit they're wrong. Also, words like arsenokotai actually don't mean homosexuality if you actually look at the contexts on how that word was used in other verses, clearly something you haven't done and will never do
Do you think gay people like getting disowned and abused by their Christian families? Is that a choice? Could you choose to be celibate forever if your sexuality was forbidden by God?
If straight sex was forbidden by God then yes, I would have to chose that. Â
Human beings, gay or straight, are more than their sexual appetites. Humans can live full and vibrant lives without sex. Sexual desire is a small part of what makes a person, not the sum total of it. God is more important than sex, more important than literally anything. Any person who genuinely loves God should be willing to abandon anything that threatens their relationship with Him; and if theyâre willing, God will give them grace to do so.
We live in a sex-saturated culture where it is literally the be-all, end-all of human existence. People think that sex is a right; that they can no more live without it than they can oxygen. And they think the way they do because they fully believe that this life is all there is.Â
But followers of Christ are called to be different:
âTherefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
Thatâs a lot of pious gibberish to distract from the point.
It doesnât really matter if you can survive without sex, without wine or without lawn gnomes, because the question is by what moral logic and by what authority do you presume to have the right to condemn something.
And the ultimate answer to that is that you have no authority, so you try squeeze your preconceived ideas out of whatever authority you can find; whether that be the moral authority of the Bible or whichever hack science which appears to agree with you conclusion at the moment.
I have no authority at all. Iâm not making rules, and certainly not enforcing any. Iâm just a messenger. I believe the Bible is divine revelation. It is explicitly clear on the issue of homosexuality; all Iâm doing is reporting what the Bible says. You and everyone else can do with the message whatever you like.
I want as many people as possible to be saved and escape the coming Judgement. I want to bring as many as I can with me into eternal life. That requires that I share the Gospel and warn about sin. Iâm not going to stop any time soon.
âI have no authority at all. Iâm not making rules, and certainly not enforcing any. Iâm just a messenger.â
Always the messenger, never mind that youâre also a promoter.
âIt is explicitly clear on the issue of homosexuality;â
Oh itâs explicit and clear, well that certainly changes things.
The Bible never even mentions homosexuality, and if it were really so explicit and clear then people wouldnât be disagreeing.
âall Iâm doing is reporting what the Bible says.â
No, no.
Youâre actively promoting your own personal interpretation of the Bible.
You are not divorced from the process of interpretation or the active promotion of yours.
âYou and everyone else can do with the message whatever you like.â
Well I can tell you that youâre wrong, and I can tell you that itâs dishonest to pretend as if youâre completely impartial.
âI want as many people as possible to be saved and escape the coming Judgement. I want to bring as many as I can with me into eternal life.â
Well then why are you promoting the heresy of works by telling people that faithfulness is dependent on their conformity and that they are required to change?
âThat requires that I share the Gospel and warn about sin. Iâm not going to stop any time soon.â
Love is not a sin, the very idea is verging on blasphemy.
Coffeeman covered this pretty substantially, but it was a wall of text, so Iâm going to try to be more succinct.
The Bible does explicitly mention homosexuality, not just in the Old Testament but in the New. Paul makes it very clear in multiple places, Romans 1 being perhaps the most explicit, but also echoing the book of Leviticus in 1 Corinthians 6. (And before you say that arsenokoitai refers to pederasty there, it very much does not - the word refers to âmen who bed other menâ, using the same words as found in the Greek translation of Leviticus to refer to homosexuality.)
And itâs not the heresy of works to desire that people be changed by the transforming work of the Holy Spirit - in fact, thatâs the call of every Christian, to allow themselves to be sanctified and made closer to the image of Christ.
The difference is between the idea that we have to do good works to earn any sort of salvation - all of us fail every single one of the Ten Commandments - and the idea that we allow Jesus to change us from the inside out, crucifying the desires of the flesh and allowing Him to change us from the inside out.
As for love being a sin, I suggest you look into the difference between agape, the self-sacrificing, unconditional love of God which is the greatest commandment, and eros, love thatâs strictly romantic or sexual, a more carnal, physical type of love. English sort of muddies the waters by using one word for âloveâ where the Greeks had four.
The Bible doesnât explicitly mention homosexuality if you do the proper research. Also the Leviticus verses have been mistranslated (it in fact does refer to pederasty). Also you have to look at the contexts of which arsenokotai was used in other verses, and if you look at it clearly, it doesnât mean homosexuality as we know it today.
Using your religion to justify your homophobia is just utterly disgusting. And if you use those two Leviticus verses for your homophobic beliefs, then I expect you to follow ALL of Levitical Law
my beloved followers, this man does not know the difference between the moral and ceremonial law and also saw fit to reblog a post of mine that is almost three years old.
just for your future awareness if youâre ever caught in an argument like this one and someone tries to gotcha with âyou shouldnât be wearing mixed fabrics!â:
the Levitical law is split into two different kinds of laws. these are:
moral law, regarding things you should not do because they are morally wrong. this includes the Ten Commandments, and laws on sexuality, murder, and so forth. these laws are still binding on Christians because they reflect the character of God and God does not change. (specifically, the prohibition against homosexuality is placed alongside prohibitions against bestiality and incest, which should be evidence enough on what God thinks about it)
the ceremonial law, which dictated cleanliness and uncleanliness, ritual sacrifices, Israelite festivals, dietary restrictions, etc. These, Christians do not have to follow because Jesus fulfilled the Law in becoming a sacrifice for us, and therefore we are forever ritually clean, covered by Christâs righteousness, and our sins are paid for. as Christians, we are free to eat bacon-wrapped shrimp and wear mixed fabrics.
also, followers: âarsenokoitaiâ was a word invented by Paul that doesnât come up anywhere else in the New Testament, but is derived from the Greek used in Leviticus, a compound word of the Greek for âmanâ and âbedâ, literally meaning âmen who sleep with other menâ.
(also note this person going âyou have to look at the context of when arsenokoitai was used in other versesâ when it (and its dative form, arsenokoites) is literally used twice ever in Scripture - 1 Cor. 6:9, translated in the NASB both times as âhomosexualsâ and similarly in every other mainstream English Bible translation.)š
and even if we didnât have Paul, Jesus Himself lays out Godâs strict sexual ethic in clear view:
Matthew 19:4-6 states âAnd He answered and said, âHave you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, âFor this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one fleshâ? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.ââ
so we see here that the institution of marriage is expected to be heterosexual, exclusive, and permanent. and since fornication (sex outside of marriage) is considered detestable by God, it then follows that any God-honoring sex has to happen within a marriage that conforms to those three parameters.
š one would think, given the plethora of Bible translations and spectrum of translation philosophies out there, that at least one mainstream English Bible translation would deviate from this and soften the language. but no, pretty much every English Bible worth paying any attention to translates it âhomosexualsâ or âmen who have sex with menâ or something similar. the closest we get is the KJVâs early modern English rendering it as âabusers of themselves with mankindâ.
Fyi, Moral, ceremonial and civil law isn't even in the Bible, the text does NOT naturally make that division nor would it make sense to the minds of the Ancient Israelites. So no, you cannot use it as a gotcha to justify your bigotry. And there is no prohibition against homosexuality in Leviticus cuz those two verses you bigoted Christians just love to use don't mean Homosexuality as we know it today, it meant pederasty. Also yes, the Leviticus clobber verses do have both arsenos and koites in it, but a bunch of other verses also had those two words together. So your argument of him coining arsenokotai from Leviticus isn't as certain as you think it is, arsenos and koites are NOT Leviticus exclusive words yk. Also, just because something is the widespread and mainstream translation/interpretation, doesn't mean it's the correct one. Remember that
Bigots like you are spreading lies and slander by Satan to make people feel bad and question their faith. In fact, it's bigots like you that are why most people are put off by Christianity.
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Hi! As an LGBTQ+ Christian, I'm genuinely really curious how you reconcile non-celibate homosexuality with Bible verses like Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26-28? While I know alternative interpretations/translations are offered, taking into account context, I really struggle with why God would allow the more commonly accepted interpretations to be so widespread if they were wrong, so I'm super interested in your view on this (if you're okay to share?). <3
Of course! First of all let me start by acknowledging I am not a biblical scholar and am only human, so I encourage you to do your own research. Also, if any of my dating or analysis is factually wrong (like my manuscript analysis), I will be happy to address that if pointed out.
Allow me to take this step by step. This post ended up being super long so Iâm going to break it up into three separate posts. Part I is Leviticus 18:22, part II will be on Romans 1:26-28 and part III will be on why I believe the widely held interpretations are so widespread if they are wrong, and why widespread theology and belief doesnât necessarily mean correctness or truth. Iâll @ you and cross link these posts for access as I go.
Edit: Part II is now up
Part I: Leviticus 18:22
First off, external context:
The following text is from The New Catholic Bible: St Joseph Compact Size Edition (2019)
Modern critics agree that during the Babylonian Exile some priests (of the tribe of Levi) collected and made part of their final text the liturgical books that had taken shape in the course of time: a ritual for sacrifices, another for the investiture of priests, a set of norms for distinguishing clean from unclean; at some later point, they added the "Law of Holiness" (chs. 17-26). It is this body of material that makes up the Book of Leviticus. The various components are not all from the same period: some prescriptions date from the time of Moses and even earlier; in other instances the editors adapt ancient rites to their own present religious concerns. The Law of Holiness, which probably dates from the last years of the monarchy (end of the seventh century) reflects the viewpoints of the Jerusalem priesthood and stands in contrast to the viewpoints found in Deuteronomy, which was published during the same period.
All the laws systematized in Leviticus are regarded as expressing God's will. They impose on the chosen people a common religious behavior by which this people will show themselves to be the people of the Sinai covenant. The Lord has delivered his own from the land of Egypt and he now expects them to acknowledge his presence and render him the worship due to him.
Sacrifice, which takes numerous forms, is the essential act of worship. It signifies that the children of Israel hand over themselves and their possessions to him who is their supreme protector. It unites them to their God and, by winning his forgiveness, restores this union when sin has broken it. In short, through sacrifice God saves and sanctifies his people. Israel is a priestly people; the priests in their actions symbolize the worship of an entire people.
In addition to moral and liturgical precepts, Leviticus lists various, sometimes quite detailed regulations meant to decide which objects and things hinder a person from drawing near to what is sacred, even though no moral fault might be involved; it was thought that these objects had a baleful power. Like the neighboring peoples, the children of Israel had their prohibitions, but even through these taboos, which were standard in this ancient civilization, they came to know the holiness of God, which is so strongly asserted throughout this book and which came to pervade their entire existence.
Letâs do some close reading here. First of all, Leviticus as we have it was compiled and written during the Babylonian Exile, likely combining oral tradition, Jewish practice and written documents. This means that the text carries with it a long history of existing laws and reflection on customs and law/the priesthood. This isnât to say that the text isnât divinely inspired (a doctrine I personally affirm though you donât have to), but because it was written through mortal men we can assume the limitations of humanity apply such as bias, cultural understanding (such as the way an Americanâs understanding of the date 9/11 is coded by the 2001 plane attacks as a modern day citizen), and imperfect dialectic and rhetoric skills. Once again, this doesnât denigrate the text as much as just humbly acknowledge that as humans we are limited, and we must approach Scripture with that knowledge lest our arrogance overtake us into the sin of pride (which is similar to the issue a lot of Catholics take with Protestants defending strict sola scriptura). This means that we must approach the text with the understanding that Leviticus 18:22 was written after the law was given, traveling in the desert, the establishment of Israel as a kingdom and the Babylonian captivity and exile. ThatâsâŚa lot of time for potential interference between the law given by God and the text in our hands. Itâs like playing a really long game of telephone: weâre probably really close, but there can be gaps and we should acknowledge that potential. So I can acknowledge that the verse was written by fallible men, with human limitations, quite some time and distance culturally and geographically from the original handing of the law at Sinai. Once again, this doesnât denigrate Scripture and its worthiness, but is a necessary acknowledgement for humility and understanding within the textâs proper context.
Second of all, the above quote tells us that the laws are there to show that the Sinai people are different and set apart (more on this later). This gives us the motivation and intention of the text and the laws within them. Now, while we may certainly argue that the truths expressed in the law have worthiness in being continued (one of my favorite parts of Leviticus is the house code of Leviticus 14 which tells the priesthood how to deal with mold infections in a house and when itâs salvageable and when it needs to be destroyed/how to avoid getting sick from it with the means available to them in the desert and later on when they could actually build houses) itâs important to recognize that the law was given to the Jewish people in order to keep them alive in the desert and to separate them from Egypt and the Canaanites (Leviticus 18:3). Thus everything contained in the law is for one or both purposes, and should be evaluated in this way. The question becomes: what was the behavior being addressed in 18:22, and how did that keep them alive in the desert and/or separate them from the people around them? Iâll come back to this question later.
Notably, the point of being separated from people around them was twofold: the purpose was either to avoid being judged and looked down upon by other nations (by doing something theyâd see as shameful or dishonorable) OR it was to set apart Jewish religion from other religious practices around (remember Leviticus is primarily aimed at priests and framed within a religious law (rather than secular) context). So 18:22 must be referring to behavior either condemned by other nations OR religious behavior normalized within other nations (a good comparison is the prohibitions of scarification and tattoos, as these were regularly performed by surrounding religious groups for ritual purposes. Notably, we no longer uphold such prohibitions as we are not Ancient Israel.)
As a quick side note the detail on describing houses of stone also emphasizes my above point about the text being written post Sinai and the desert exile (when they were more nomadic and largely in tent encampments).
Another aspect of note is when the quote above talks about âthe various components are not all from the same period: some prescriptions date from the time of Moses and even earlier; in other instances the editors adapt ancient rites to their own present religious concerns.â This also affects our approach to the applicability of the text in our lives, and we must acknowledge that we donât have the law dictated by God at Sinai (dated roughly 1313 BC), we have an inspired account by men written during the exile (dated roughly 425 BC to 328 BC). Thatâs a thousand year separation. Remember that game of telephone? So we have Godâs dictated law, filtered through Godâs inspired scripture a thousand years later by a divinely inspired yet still fallible and limited human being. And thatâs just the original copy. The earliest manuscript of Leviticus we have, 4QExod-Lev of 4Q17, is a Dead Sea scroll that dates to 250 BC (so at least 78 years since the original), and that manuscript doesnât even have 18:22. For that verse we have to go to 4Q23 which is dated sometime between 140 and 37 BC. So now we have our divinely dictated word of law being written by divinely inspired humans, then (since we only assert that the originals are divinely inspired, not copies or translations) being copied and translated into a not divinely inspired manuscript written approximately 1,173-1,276 years after the original law was dictated at Sinai, all by fallible humans. Thatâs a lot going on in our game of telephone before we even touch the question of translation, preservation, and the biblical canon.
Thatâs made even more complicated by the fact that 18:22 is part of the Law of Holiness, which âprobably dates from the last years of the monarchy (end of the seventh century) [and] reflects the viewpoints of the Jerusalem priesthood [of the time] and stands in contrast to the viewpoints found in Deuteronomy, which was published during the same period.â Telephone game and human limitations.
Finally, for external context, we have the following part of the quote: âLeviticus lists various, sometimes quite detailed regulations meant to decide which objects and things hinder a person from drawing near to what is sacred, even though no moral fault might be involved; it was thought that these objects had a baleful power. Like the neighboring peoples, the children of Israel had their prohibitions, but even through these taboos, which were standard in this ancient civilization, they came to know the holiness of Godâ I want you to keep this in mind as we move into the next part of our verse analysis
Internal context:
Leviticus 18 is part of the Law of Holiness (or Holiness Code), which is unique for regarding all of Israel as holy (not just the priests or sacrifices) and mainly is the bit where God says that the Canaanites were doing certain practices and Israel needs to not do them. So we know 18:22 refers to something the Canaanites were doing, which satisfies the earlier question about the verse needing to help Israel survive in the desert and/or set them apart from other peoples. 18:3 specifies this by saying âyou shall not do what is done in the land of Egypt where you lived, nor are you to do what is done in the land of Canaan where I am bringing you; you shall not walk in their statutes.â
Remember the earlier definition of âset apartâ? Letâs come back to that. Option 1 is to avoid shame. Option 2 is to avoid religious practices to set Judaism apart. The word used in 18:22 is the infamous toâevah. Abomination. What does toâevah mean in its original context? Letâs look at other verses. In Genesis 43:32, itâs used to describe the way Egyptians believed it was a toâevah to eat bread with the Hebrews. In Genesis 46:34, itâs used to describe how Egyptians saw shepherds as toâevah. In Exodus 8:26, it talks about how the Egyptians saw certain Hebrew sacrifices as toâevah and thatâs why Moses asked pharaoh to let them go out of Egypt to make sacrifices. In all these cases, option 1 (behavior detested by other nations) seems to be the best case. Itâs notable that none of these things are morally bad in of themselves (the Bible itself discusses how shepherds, Egyptians and jews eating bread together, Jewish sacrifices are all fine) but instead are cultural taboos.
So letâs look at behaviors that were prohibited by surrounding nations:
First off the Hittites had laws against a father having intercourse with his son (I donât know for sure if this means consensual or not because the term I came across is âviolatesâ which could mean rape or it could mean defilement). It is accompanied by other anti incest laws similar to the rest of Leviticus 18. The scholar Harry Hoffner Jr notes that the Hittite law was because the partner was the manâs son, not because they were of the same sex. The following quote is by scholar Brian Gerig:
Table A, paragraph 20 deals with a physical act done, not just a rumor: âIf a seignior [an Assyrian man] lay with his neighbor [another citizen], when they have prosecuted him (and) convicted him [the first citizen], they shall lie with him (and) turn him into a eunuch.â14 This describes a situation where a man has forced sex upon a local resident or business partner, who then has the option of bringing a charge against him. Noticeably, the perpetrator is punished while the victim is not; so the crime here is rape. Homosexuality itself is not condemned, nor looked upon as immoral or disordered. Anyone could visit a prostitute or lay with another male, as long as false rumors or forced sex were not involved with another Assyrian male. Still, both of these laws suggest that for a male to take the submissive womanâs role in same-sex intercourse was looked down upon as shameful and despised.
Iâll come back to the idea of a man in a submissive womanâs roles being looked down upon later. But for now, Brian Gerig continues on:
Pictorial and literary references in ancient Mesopotamia show acceptance of some forms of homosexuality, but wariness toward others. Anal intercourse was freely pictured in figurative art in the ancient cities of Uruk, Assur, Babylon, and Susa from the 3rd millennium B.C. on â and images show that it was practiced as part of religious ritual. Both Zimri-lin (king of Mari) and Hammurabi (king of Babylon) had male lovers, which the queen of Zimri-lin mentions matter-of-factly in a letter. The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman, of a woman for a man, and of a man for man.16 (Lesbian love is not mentioned, probably because of the low status of women in ancient times, when women were basically considered property, and adultery was considered a trespass against the husbandâs property. A husband was free to fornicate, but a wife could be put to death for the same thing.17) The Summa alu, a manual used to predict the future, sought to do this in some cases on the basis of sexual acts, five of which are homosexual:
âIf a man copulates with his equal from the rear, he becomes the leader among his peers and brothers.
If a man yearns to express his manhood while in prison and thus, like a male cult-prostitute, mating with men becomes his desire, he will experience evil.
If a man copulates with an assinnu [a male cult-prostitute], trouble will leave him
If a man copulates with a gerseqqu [a male courtier, or royal attendant], worry will possess him for a whole year but will then leave him.
If a man copulates with a house-born slave, a hard destiny will befall him.â18
The fact that different kinds of homoerotic pairing will occur is taken for granted. What mattered was the role and the status of a partner, especially the passive partner â and the anticipated ramifications in each case. To penetrate a male who was of equal status or a cult prostitute was thought to bring good fortune; but copulation with a royal attendant, a fellow prisoner, or a household slave was thought to probably spell trouble.19
Needless to say, none of these are about being queer as we understand that now. The closest one is the act of anal sex between men, used as a power and social dynamic: they are equals until anal penetration occurs, after which the penetrator is superior and a leader, and the nature of each case of homosexuality comes down to power dynamics and social class between men. This isnât an act of a romantic and sexual relationship such as the gays have now. Notably, 18:22 reinforces this distinction by the addition âas one lies with a woman.â The prohibition isnât against lying with another man, but against lying with him in a specific way. This separates 18:22 from the other verses in ch 18, in which incest is just flat out prohibited in all forms such as 18:7 (you shall not uncover the nakedness of your father or mother), onto 18:20. Similarly, 18:23 (beastiality) is a flat out prohibition rather than a specific font of an action. Only 18:22 stands out with the qualifier âas with a woman.â I would argue this is because of the above power and social dynamics of anal sex in the Ancient Near East. The woman was submissive and penetrated, for a man to receive anal penetration was for him to become a woman and thus degrade himself and be judged for it. Thatâs why Sodom and Gomorrah ought to be read as gang rape in an attempt to humiliate a foreigner (which is the interpretation that better aligns with Ezekiel 49-50: âBehold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it.â [Emphasis added]).
This is further emphasized by the fact that Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome both had similar views of anal sex, in which the bottom participant was seen as holding the role of a woman and/or an inferior (and thus denigrated) while the top was accepted (and in some cases seen as asserting his manliness and power in having anal intercourse as the penetrator). More on Romeâs views later.
So to summarize: toâevah suggests practices that are cultural taboos rather than inherently immoral acts. This lends itself to an interpretation of âbeing set apart from Canaanitesâ as avoiding behavior that would shame Israel in the eyes of the nations around it. Historical evidence does not suggest that queer relationships were an issue. Instead, the judged behavior was either actions that arenât queer relationships OR an act based around power dynamics and social class hierarchy and humiliation that led to the social shame of one of the participants as âless of a manâ and as an inferior. Obviously, that last one is not the case for modern queer relationships, which are not about power and social class dynamics in that way AND our society does not look down upon men who practice anal sex the same way the Ancient Near East did because we no longer have the same views of men and women and their sexual and social roles (excluding of course modern homophobia which is fueled by verse interpretations and thus out of the question here).
But letâs say I lost you with my interpretation of toâevah as social taboo. Maybe 18:22 was a matter of Israel avoiding behavior that surrounding nations allowed or celebrated religiously or socially (option 2 of being set apart). Letâs examine it again from that lens then:
Brian Gerig and many other Near East religious and cultural scholars highlight laws and cultural norms around homosexuality as taking two main forms outside of the ones already addressed above: pedastry and temple prostitution/religious erotic practices.
Pedastry is, of course, pedophilia. I think we can all agree that pedophilia is evil and also NOT WHAT QUEER RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN TWO CONSENTING ADULTS IS.
As for temple prostitution (of which Canaanite cultures did have quite a few instances of men and women who engaged in sex with worshipers as an act of religious devotion) and religious erotic practices (in which priests and priestesses engaged in erotic and sexual activities as offerings or devotion to their gods and spirits), this aligns more with the idea of âbeing set apartâ = ânot doing religious practices of surrounding nationsâ (remember the scarification example?). Once again, this is situationally limited (we as Christians no longer prohibit tattoos because we donât do them religiously and are not Jewish so as to be set apart like Ancient Israel) and more importantly IS ALSO NOT WHAT MODERN QUEER RELATIONSHIPS AND SEX ARE ABOUT. A gay couple isnât having sex as an offering to an ancient Mesopotamian deity or as a temple act with worshipers and parishioners for religious reasons (most of the time at least, idk what everyone does with their time but weâre not talking about that here).
I have one final nail in the coffin for Leviticus 18:22, and thatâs about exegesis and application:
Supersessionism is bad and antisemetic. Weâre not replacing Jewish people in the covenant and in being set apart from other nations by YHWH. Thus, we are not under the same category of having to be set apart from Egypt and Canaan like the Ancient Israelites were. You could argue the Holiness Code does not apply to modern day people as a result.
Part 2: Romans 1:26-28 and Part 3: Why the commonly held interpretations are widely spread if they are wrong to come shortly.