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Also YES I view movie Vanessa as another decomposite of Michael, just like how the Schmidt kids have elements from the Emily children in the novel trilogy and movie Michael has elements that can be tied to all three Afton children. If that bothers you... well, it bothers you. I'm not going to discuss it.
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Can you guys stop reframing what happened with Henry in the novels to make him seem worse than he is
This is going to be a rant about the way people in this fandom talk about Henry from the novel trilogy. (None of this has anything to do with my opinions on his character in the games or movies and is just about what's in the books.)
In an attempt to explain how Henry was not a perfect father (I'm assuming in response to people who portray him as one since he's better than William), I see so many people describe what happened to Henry in the novels as "He ditched his wife and kid for a robot and then instead of going back to his family after he realized he was wrong his just killed himself lmao what a terrible father." This irks me for multiple reasons -
While Henry and his wife did split up due to Charlotte's death and likely Henry's mental breakdown following it, none of these people acknowledge the fact that the reason Henry chooses not to go back to his family despite his sister telling him he should is because he delusionally believes Charliebot is the real Charlotte. Going back to his wife and son means abandoning Charlie who he considers his real daughter because they would likely not accept her. I feel people simply try to portray him as a deadbeat dad who didn't care about his family at all without acknowledging the mental struggles and delusions he was dealing with. It is also mentioned he convinced himself everyone else around him was crazy at that time and shut them out for that reason.
The reason Henry kills himself is because he believes he has permanently damaged his mind with his illusions and will never truly be able to live in reality again. It's also probably partially due to the fact that William killed a bunch of children in his restaurant, since Charlie claims the guilt of his restaurant and creations being used for the murders is what lead him to kill himself. I think implying that committing suicide is selfish is generally a shitty thing to do including in this scenario. If he believes that he has ruined his own life/mind, why would he believe his wife and son who he hasn't seen in years need him enough for that to stop him from killing himself??
I also think the claim that Henry always loved Charlotte more than Sammy/he never cared about Sammy and that's the reason why he didn't care to go back to his family doesn't really have much to back it up. He was clearly obsessing over Charlotte because...she's the one who died.
I see people say sometimes that "Henry told Charlie that Sammy was the one who died instead" and I think that is a bit of a misrepresentation because in The Silver Eyes it says that after "Sammy" (actually Charlotte) died and Mrs. Emily left, Henry never talked about Sammy to Charlie again. At most, he could have given Charlie fake memories of Sammy going missing, which I do think would be messed up. However I feel like it's somewhat hard to distinguish what parts of Charlie's memories were purposefully altered memories, Henry's memories that she shared, or memories unintentionally influenced by Henry's own delusions or emotions. The thing we know for sure is that Henry didn't ever mention Sammy around Charlie, but I don't think that indicates he never cared about Sammy before the murder.
Another thing I want to address is the idea that Henry was intentionally abusive toward the Charliebots. The main examples of this I see thrown around are the panel from the graphic novel where he is making Elizabeth (the 4th Charliebot) that is often misinterpreted as him destroying her, and the scene where he tears apart the frog toy he made for Charlie and doesn't comfort her.
The panel from the graphic novel where Henry is using a hammer on Elizbeth while looking angry is meant to represent her being built, not her being destroyed. This is because he was angry while he was making her, and that rage ended up being the thing that brought her to life, causing him to abandon her when he realized he couldn't fix her rage. I don't think Henry should have left Elizabeth on in the corner all the time and don't fully know what the reason for that was, and I believe Elizabeth is completely valid for feeling as if Henry abandoned her. But I do think it's important to note that the only reason Elizabeth processes her feelings from that time in a human way is because she was later possessed by the soul of Elizabeth Afton. At the time she was just an agony possessed robot who could not comprehend emotions, and so I feel like treating what Henry did to her the same as if he'd done that to a human (or even to Charlie who had the ella doll) isn't really fair. (This was also at the time he began to realize the Charliebots were not actually Charlotte and he was lying to himself.)
As for the frog toy scene, a lot of people misinterpret what exactly is happening there. Henry's workshop is the main place we know he set up a camera to record memories for Charlie, and Elizabeth directly says that while she was in the corner watching Henry make toys for the younger Charlie, Charlie was not there and Henry was just recording everything on a camera for her. Even before this reveal there are moments in the books where Charlie recalls memories of being in her father's workshop and noting that it was like he couldn't see or hear her (because she was a camera). The frog scene is one of these moments, where it says Charlie felt like she physically could not speak when she was trying to talk to Henry. (because she was a camera.) This is not a scene of Henry actually neglecting Charlie when she's crying and yelling at him, because she was not actually doing that in the first place. I find it kind of pointless to debate over whether or not Henry intentionally made her memory this way afterwards because we have no way of knowing, but considering a moment before this Henry apologized for "startling" Charlie with the frog and that's the reason why he took it apart I'm not sure why he would purposefully make her upset.
I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to say Charlie shouldn't have felt upset about this memory, because it was real to her. The point I'm trying to make is that there isn't any example in the books of Henry purposefully trying to hurt the Charliebots.
It is true that Henry wasn't exactly a good father in these books, but the important distinction to make is that it was not because he was a terrible person or did not care about his family, it was because of his mental instability and refusal to let go of his delusions. While Charlie should move on from her father's death in the normal way we all should after loved ones die, I think the idea that she should completely forget about him because he was a terrible father is ridiculous. I'm sure she had some complicated feelings about realizing some of her memories were fake or embellished, and I do think the concept of realizing that her father wasn't exactly who she thought when she was little is an important part of the story. However I don't see why any of the things she learned about him would make her want to forget him entirely. It seemed to me that while Henry was imperfect as a person and Elizabeth felt genuinely hurt by how he treated her, he was also supposed to be a sympathetic character.
I get that it's easy to forget the smaller details of these books but I really wish people wouldn't leave out so many details of his story when discussing him. Sometimes it truly does feel like people are just trying to make his actions out to be worse for the sake of proving he's "morally gray" or not the complete opposite of William when it comes to parenting. Which is kind of funny to me, because while he is not the opposite in the sense of being a wonderful normal parent, it seemed pretty clear to me that The Fourth Closet purposefully draws attention to the way Henry and William are on opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to their children- when Henry loses his daughter he misses her so much he tries to recreate her and manages to bring his creation to life with his grief, while William doesn't care when the daughter he abused dies and continues to use her and put her down after her death which is fundamentally the reason why William would never be able to replicate what Henry did with Charlie.
That being said, the portrayals of Henry where he becomes Michael's replacement dad instead of William are still stupid. I don't think he would do that.
I'm going to put screenshots of parts of the books I referenced for this. under the cut.
^Henry's delusions about Charlie being the actual Charlotte
^Parts of Henry's suicide note
^Why Charlie thought Henry killed himself
^note that the littlest Charlie was created from Henry's grief over losing Charlotte and this is also probably a reflection of him not wanting to acknowledge what happened to her. But I think it could also show that Henry was upset about being separated from Sammy as well
^Charlie's memory of being in Henry's workshop for the first time
^when he started taking apart the frog
^Charlie wasn't there in the workshop
^Reason why Henry abandoned Elizabeth
^on Elizabeth gaining emotional consciousness
^the panel of Henry making Elizabeth not destroying her
wish there was more discussion of Henry and mike in FFPS where Mike DOESN'T know the plan.. because canonically he doesn't. Henry lied to him. And I just think that's very interesting. We know that Mike is a "brave volunteer" who apparently stumbled onto this job on accident, but when did Henry realize who it was? if it was before the last day, why didn't he feel like he should tell Mike what the deal was? Did Henry not trust him? Did he feel guilty for leading him on this long? Did he just assume Michael would be cool with it the same way he assumes Michael is ok dying? Because that's another thing!! even if he was right and mike was ready to die, this was NOT Henry's call to make and he made it anyway. Michael was just another loose end to tie up. he doesn't even say Michael's NAME. he won't address him even to his face. How must that feel? I wonder...
Meanwhile, I get weird metaphorical looks when I suggest that Henry deciding not to let Mike know and not letting him out is a crime and also MORALLY reprehensible. Or that Michael may not have wanted to die, or that even if he did, that was his choice to make, or that Henry, in his desire to end it all and set things right, did to Michael the exact same thing William did to him, deny him control of his own life.
BECAUSE LETS TALK ABOUT IT. Henry has a repeated track record of railroading other people's lives for what HE believes is the right thing to do! Just look at Charlie in the books, how he designed her BODY. he decided what she would look like and denied her the chance to choose that for herself. he tried to destroy the oldest body and trapped Charlie as a teenager forever. he let her believe that her brother was DEAD. He takes Michael's agency, he denies Charlotte her freedom by trapping her in Lefte, this is a pattern with him! even if he means well every time, it doesnt absolve him of the hurt he causes! Killing someone because you think they want it when said person has no way to object even if they wanted to is NOT A GOOD THING TO DO.
EXACTLY! I love him as a character, and his mistakes and flaws are why he's so good of a character. Henry is a flawed man, he takes choice away in both of his appearances outside of the movie, and people in this fandom have a problem with either letting intention wash away all harm, or ignoring intention and demonizing characters that have the best intentions but are flawed and intentionally human. I see it so much with the kids, Michael, and Vanessa, but one I don't get to talk about much is Henry and how much people just plow over any harm he's caused because 'oh he's a good guy'.
I get why people don't look further into it; it's a fitting end, thematically, and it seems like such a good thing in the moment. But that doesn't change that Henry keeps removing choice from characters we KNOW to have enough cognition to decide their own fates, and that what he did to Michael could easily count as murder.
It's a pet peeve of mine that I just don't talk about often, because trying to talk about it is often exhausting when the other party is dead set on excusing Henry's wrongdoing. It's not like this is the Bite, where both sides have good points and the perpetrator is an abused, likely mentally unstable and/or ill teenager. Henry's a fully grown man who, yes, is definitely not of his best mind, but should know better than to murder a man that he probably hasn't seen or heard from in decades.
For all he knows, William could have done more wrong, for all he knows, Michael has people he's staying behind for. That's the thing, whether those things could be true or not, Henry DOESN'T KNOW. Michael could be content, for all he knows, with how he's existing. But because Henry is in constant pain and suffering over what happened and over being alive, when he realizes his volunteer is someone who has it 'worse' than him, that person can't possibly be okay with living, they must want to die!
Henry can be a foil to William and still do some of the same things as William, much like Michael. And in my opinion, that is EXACTLY the case in canon.
omg yes I'm SO GLAD you also get it. Henry can't fathom that anyone would want to live when he doesn't. And what's ironic is that this is the same game where he ADMITS that he should have known better (the snake and kitten story) only to continue down his path because his purposeful ignorance is only HALF the problem. Henry and William are absolutely foils to each other but not "good and bad" as many seem to flatten them into..
I love these three so much for the way they play off of each other... I just wish they'd stop getting boiled down. William... I can kind of excuse, he is genuinely evil, but I hate when people make it surface level. And with Mike and Henry... god, people ignore so much about them, to the point I can't say which has it worse.
Henry is shown as being nearly as hypocritical as William, multiple times throughout the franchise. Hell, in some instances, it's WILLIAM following HENRY's lead, as in the novels, where Henry first removes his created daughter's right to self-determination, and then William steals part of her and does it all over again. People treat Henry as this base-opposite of William, but they're so much more alike than people think, to the point that Henry could have been like William under certain conditions, if definitely DIFFERENT about it. Henry is much more like William than people want to admit. He just has a good heart, and that's what people are latching onto to the point that they ignore everything else about him.
It's part of why I love the Aftons and Emilys as duos and a whole group that parallels each other. The fathers are foils, the children can be foils to both the other children and the fathers, it's just so good and most people don't want to acknowledge the deeper parts of what we do get on them.
wish there was more discussion of Henry and mike in FFPS where Mike DOESN'T know the plan.. because canonically he doesn't. Henry lied to him. And I just think that's very interesting. We know that Mike is a "brave volunteer" who apparently stumbled onto this job on accident, but when did Henry realize who it was? if it was before the last day, why didn't he feel like he should tell Mike what the deal was? Did Henry not trust him? Did he feel guilty for leading him on this long? Did he just assume Michael would be cool with it the same way he assumes Michael is ok dying? Because that's another thing!! even if he was right and mike was ready to die, this was NOT Henry's call to make and he made it anyway. Michael was just another loose end to tie up. he doesn't even say Michael's NAME. he won't address him even to his face. How must that feel? I wonder...
Meanwhile, I get weird metaphorical looks when I suggest that Henry deciding not to let Mike know and not letting him out is a crime and also MORALLY reprehensible. Or that Michael may not have wanted to die, or that even if he did, that was his choice to make, or that Henry, in his desire to end it all and set things right, did to Michael the exact same thing William did to him, deny him control of his own life.
BECAUSE LETS TALK ABOUT IT. Henry has a repeated track record of railroading other people's lives for what HE believes is the right thing to do! Just look at Charlie in the books, how he designed her BODY. he decided what she would look like and denied her the chance to choose that for herself. he tried to destroy the oldest body and trapped Charlie as a teenager forever. he let her believe that her brother was DEAD. He takes Michael's agency, he denies Charlotte her freedom by trapping her in Lefte, this is a pattern with him! even if he means well every time, it doesnt absolve him of the hurt he causes! Killing someone because you think they want it when said person has no way to object even if they wanted to is NOT A GOOD THING TO DO.
EXACTLY! I love him as a character, and his mistakes and flaws are why he's so good of a character. Henry is a flawed man, he takes choice away in both of his appearances outside of the movie, and people in this fandom have a problem with either letting intention wash away all harm, or ignoring intention and demonizing characters that have the best intentions but are flawed and intentionally human. I see it so much with the kids, Michael, and Vanessa, but one I don't get to talk about much is Henry and how much people just plow over any harm he's caused because 'oh he's a good guy'.
I get why people don't look further into it; it's a fitting end, thematically, and it seems like such a good thing in the moment. But that doesn't change that Henry keeps removing choice from characters we KNOW to have enough cognition to decide their own fates, and that what he did to Michael could easily count as murder.
It's a pet peeve of mine that I just don't talk about often, because trying to talk about it is often exhausting when the other party is dead set on excusing Henry's wrongdoing. It's not like this is the Bite, where both sides have good points and the perpetrator is an abused, likely mentally unstable and/or ill teenager. Henry's a fully grown man who, yes, is definitely not of his best mind, but should know better than to murder a man that he probably hasn't seen or heard from in decades.
For all he knows, William could have done more wrong, for all he knows, Michael has people he's staying behind for. That's the thing, whether those things could be true or not, Henry DOESN'T KNOW. Michael could be content, for all he knows, with how he's existing. But because Henry is in constant pain and suffering over what happened and over being alive, when he realizes his volunteer is someone who has it 'worse' than him, that person can't possibly be okay with living, they must want to die!
Henry can be a foil to William and still do some of the same things as William, much like Michael. And in my opinion, that is EXACTLY the case in canon.
I'm going to ramble about my ideas for Michael Afton if dsaf now
So i was thinking he could be dave's son to a random vegas hooker or something and neither know of each other. I think it would be fun (taking from ucft) if after Bear burns down, he builds the pizzaplex over it, getting the idea to start a business after purchasing some tapes with a purple man in them. Yeah I did say they would have no knowledge of each other but I think it would be neat if mike found those tapes and his father only after dave is dead so those mad ramblings are all he has of his dad. Bro would definitely wonder who tf jack is and why his dad was going all crazy finding him. Idk if security breach things would happen but it would be funny if that place also burned down like the place is just cursed.
I need to finish my fic so bad bc i have so many spinoff ideas for it, michael showing up being one of them.
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wish there was more discussion of Henry and mike in FFPS where Mike DOESN'T know the plan.. because canonically he doesn't. Henry lied to him. And I just think that's very interesting. We know that Mike is a "brave volunteer" who apparently stumbled onto this job on accident, but when did Henry realize who it was? if it was before the last day, why didn't he feel like he should tell Mike what the deal was? Did Henry not trust him? Did he feel guilty for leading him on this long? Did he just assume Michael would be cool with it the same way he assumes Michael is ok dying? Because that's another thing!! even if he was right and mike was ready to die, this was NOT Henry's call to make and he made it anyway. Michael was just another loose end to tie up. he doesn't even say Michael's NAME. he won't address him even to his face. How must that feel? I wonder...
Meanwhile, I get weird metaphorical looks when I suggest that Henry deciding not to let Mike know and not letting him out is a crime and also MORALLY reprehensible. Or that Michael may not have wanted to die, or that even if he did, that was his choice to make, or that Henry, in his desire to end it all and set things right, did to Michael the exact same thing William did to him, deny him control of his own life.
In-universe FNaF can actually be super interesting to make headcanons and stuff about and I think more people should talk about it.
Someone shows an interest in the old Freddys locations or Fredbears, or says they like the fictional media, and some people do NOT take it well.
True crime people that don't take the crime seriously WHEN THEY SHOULD obsessing over the murders and making videos about them.
Fazbear Entertainment fighting off people who wanna investigate what happened at their establishments (and as such making thr games to try to convince them nothing happened).
People in universe cosplaying the characters. WORK WITH ME HERE imagine someone cosplaying like William Afton or something. And Williams ghost is just walking around them and pointing out every flaw in their cosplay because hes a hater.
MY FAVORITE HEADCANON the Logbook we have is an in-universe product, but there's (hypothetically) a REAL Logbook in-universe. Michael just accidentally got the one Fazbear Entertainment made for the public lmao.
Another favorite headcanon of mine, some characters have inconsistent appearances or little/no appearances because some of those appearances are their appearances in in-universe media (ex. Whatever the fuck is going on with Cassidy, Susie in the games vs Susie in Fazbears Frights, Jeremys 0 confirmed apeparancea and 1 unconfirmed appearances, etc.).
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michael was never told what happened to elizabeth. she just disappeared, ran away maybe. and of course, it was michael’s fault. he was supposed to be watching her. but he couldn’t even do that properly.
his father didn’t bother with a search, said she’d turn up eventually and left it at that. michael was the one that had to put up the missing posters, michael was the one who had to ask neighbours if they had seen her, michael was the one who had to put up with the rumours and the gossip and the accusations. he'd already killed one sibling, was it really a huge surprise that he'd kill the other?
Getting Springlocked entails being pierced from all angles with many, many sharp bits of metal, bleeding out, your eyes popping out of their sockets, having your vocal cords severed, and drowning in your own blood. And due to the laws of reality by which the FNaF universe abides, the unbridled agony of the experience will force you to either A) live through the entire process and stay alive within your new metal shell and tomb, or B) possess the suit in which you died and therefore unwillingly occupy and puppet around a container for your own corpse. Nothing could possibly be worse.
But to all my fucked up AU makers out there, I know a way to make it just that tiny bit worse: Digitigrade Legs. It adds shattering your bones to the list of horrible aspects of the Springlocking process, and adds a bit more agony to your resulting immortallity.
No need to thank me for this horrible little idea👍
Hi, child of an abusive father here. Vanessa's nightmare sequence from the 2nd FNaF Movie is so horrifically accurate to how having an abusive father impacts you, it hurts. Especially so for me, since Movie Wiliam very clearly only cares about his kids as far as what they can do for him, but doesn't actually care about them legitimately, exactly like my own father. William is a lot more directly abusive in the sequence than my dad is, but being a Nightmare sequence, I wouldn't be surprised if Vanessa is just remembering things as worse than they were, due to trauma (like I do).
Y'know what's weird? Every FNaF World AU thing, or really any depiction of a god for the FNaF universe, is always Animdude. And like I get why, that's Scott, but uh... Scott didn't make your AU. YOU did. YOU should be the weird meta god thing. YOU are the final boss of your FNaF World AU.
Make an Anim-sona for your FNaF World AU to fill in for Animdude. I'm dead serious, do it.
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