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can this aimless tumblruser perhaps strongly encourage you to not give up on your desire to translate mdzs for yourself (and for, perhaps, other parties who may be interested in tasting the fruits of such an endeavor)
I honestly probably should get back to that, since Iâve kinda been slacking more than I should on my language learning (and besides, I kinda want to reread the story anyways). Though, Iâm not sure if it would be something I can actually post for others to read, because potential copyright strike shenanigans that I have to be worried about (also, I donât even know where I would post it). I may or may not be able to get around it due to the fact that what Iâm doing is Translating for the Sake of Translating, which is drastically different from Translating for the Sake of Reading, but I dunno.
Actually, I could always just post sections with translation notes about culturally specific words or words with additional connotations that couldnât carry over because there wasnât an exact English equivalent. Iâve pretty much been doing that already anyways.
What the heck is going on with all these spam/bot posts? Iâve been reporting and blocking like crazy just to get them off the pageâŚ
Rather sad to think about how Wei Wuxian lost his home about four times over.
Random 4 AM question: What exactly is the poem that the Jin clan uses to name every successive generation? I tried looking on the Mo Dao Zu Shi wiki and got nothing. Then I put the parts we do know (ĺ guÄng, ĺ zi, ĺŚ rĂš) into Google Translate and got the translation of "photon-like" (which confuses me a little because I didn't know they had a concept of photons in ancient China?) Finally, I did a web search but only got results for ĺ ĺ, and ĺŚ was dropped entirely. I've wasted all the energy I have at this early hour of the morning on this question, so if anyone has any ideas, can you kindly let me know.
Generation poems are typically composed by the elders of the family lineage, so each generation poem would be unique to each clan. Which is to say, since the clan is fictional, and by extension its generation poem is fictional, unless MXTX deigns to write the Jin Clan generational poem in full, it kinda just⌠doesnât exist.

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One dozen possible reasons/scenarios for why Madam Lan couldâve killed Qingheng-junâs teacher that do not, in fact, involve self-defense from sexual assault.
They happened to work together on a night-hunt, but at the end of it, the teacher tried to discredit her to get all the glory for themself or they made some sort of mistake and tried to shift the blame onto her, and she then killed them.
They happened to work together on a night-hunt, but the teacher got possessed by a wrathful spirit that tried to kill her, so she ended up killing the teacher in self-defense.
In a similar vein, there was a night-hunt that involved illusions and hallucinations that made people confuse friend and foe, and she killed the teacher by accident, thinking they were an enemy.
She couldâve had a morally dubious relative, perhaps one of her parents, who was doing harm to others, and the teacher killed them. Then she killed the teacher in revenge.
Again, in a similar vein, her loved one died and came back as a resentful ghost, and the teacher destroyed their spirit before it could harm anyone, but barely even trying to see if their spirit could be liberated. Then she killed the teacher in revenge.
There was an incident where a group of people were doing crimes, and the teacher wanted to punish everyone involved, even if they were blackmailed into doing it, or were children of the ones complicit, and she killed the teacher to protect them.
The Lan Clan laid claim to a spiritual artifact that was dangerous, whether recently or generations ago, but it was a family heirloom to her, and there was a lethal altercation when she tried to reclaim it.
She had a relative or friend whose life was in danger, whether by illness or curse or whatever, and the Lan Clan had an artifact that could save their life. So she went to go steal it, leading to the lethal altercation.
The teacher prioritized someone who was more affluent, but less threatened, over the immediate danger of someone elseâs life (ie: standing as bodyguard for a rich patron, who is already has some minor protection from talismans and arrays, while someone outside of those protections is actively getting chewed up by a yao, or similarly, two people were cursed, but the teacher prioritized lifting the curse from the rich patron, who was afflicted only recently, over someone of lower rank, whose curse had already progressed much farther), resulting in the death of a loved one of the Not-Yet-Madam Lan. She then killed them in revenge.
A similar incident to what happened with Lan Qiren, Cangse Sanren, Wei Changze, and Jiang Fengmian couldâve occurred, where the teacher was so caught up in making sure that things went according to procedure that they ended up endangering the lives of others. Except this time tempers flared, leading to a lethal altercation.
Taking a page out of TGCF, the Not-Yet-Madam Lan, or maybe even both of them, were cursed, and the only way to break the curse was through bloodshed. The teacher may have offered to sacrifice themself, or maybe she just killed them to save herself.
Either the Not-Yet-Madam Lan or a loved one of hers was cursed or simply afflicted with a mundane malady. So she sought help through a dubious source, like a resentful yao or demon or a malevolent god (a la the dancing stone Heavenly Maiden) to have her wish granted. The teacher learned of this on a night hunt, and they came to cross blades, either because they tried to destroy the dubious âhelperâ (for lack of a better word) before her wish could be granted, or they attacked her directly for fraternizing with evil beings.
And a bonus scenario to bring it up to a nice bakerâs dozen rather than a regular olâ dozen: Sparring match gone wrong.
It couldâve been as simple as getting a little too overzealous in a sparring match that ended in a fatal accident.
Iâm not saying that the common headcanon isnât a possibility, but itâs just that. A possibility. Thereâs a myriad of different reasons for why someone would kill someone else, and we donât know anywhere near enough about the circumstances to say âThis is definitely, for sure, what happened.â
I love the part in mdzs so much where wwx is like "hehe jiang cheng hates being unfavourably compared so bad I bet I can make him mad a cut sleeve doesn't want him" and you're like that's ridiculous nobody is that insecure and then it WORKS
Anyone else think about how Wei Wuxian was powerful enough to tear down his enemies, but not quite powerful enough to protect anyone, not even himself?
Something I feel like is a little bit important to keep in mind in regards to Jiang Yanli, she doesnât live in a âWow, you were so brave for speaking out against your parents,â society. She lives in a âtalking smack about your parents gets you fired from your job, because not honoring your parents is a moral failing, and we donât want you ruining our own reputation by extension by being associated with you,â society.
I know thereâs the common headcanon that the cultivation clans make their income by doing night hunts, which makes sense, how the hell else would they make their money? Except, thereâs more than one reference to clans not taking any payment at all for night hunts.
In the fourth chapter, when Madam Mo was telling off the Lan juniors for not doing enough to save her son, Wei Wuxian tells her off in turn for being unfairly disrespectful to them, one of his points being that the juniors were doing that night hunt for free. And again in the Lotus Pod extra, It was mentioned that Yunmeng Jiang exorcises the households of the area of their water ghouls free of compensation.
Which raises the question⌠How in Laoziâs eight trigram crucible are these clans making their income???
My best guess is that they do charge for night hunts most of the time, but the former was supposed to be an easy night hunt for juniors (rounding up walking corpses), probably as a form of training to get their feet a bit wet. So they didnât charge in that instance. Then in the latter, Yunmeng Jiang didnât charge simply because it was basically their home turf, so it would be beneficial for them anyways to cleanse the area of ghouls.

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This is just my read on the character, but I donât think Yu Ziyuan actually thinks that Jiang Fengmian ever had a extramarital affair with Cangse Sanren. Sheâs pretty clear that she believes Wei Wuxianâs place is as a servant, and he canât both be the son of a servant and the bastard son of a clan leader.
I get the sense that Yu Ziyuanâs beef with the infidelity rumors is that she canât stand the thought that she was seen as second pickings. That the only reason Jiang Fengmian married her at all was because his first choice was no longer an option when she married someone else, so he just settled. And that the rumors exist at all means that everyone else believes she was only ever a second option, if even that. Yu Ziyuan ire with Jiang Fengmian isnât that she thinks heâs disloyal, but that she believes that he thinks she wasnât worth considering as a first option (or more likely, that he didnât consider her a option at all, given that he was opposed to the marriage with her from the get-go, but was pressured into it by both the Yu Clan and the previous Jiang head). So I donât think Yu Ziyuan believes that Wei Wuxian is Jiang Fengmianâs bastard son
Now, do I think that Yu Ziyuan thinks that Wei Wuxian is the son Jiang Fengmian wished he had? Oh yeah, 100% absolutely. And that just absolutely rankles at her pride, because choosing her son second to the son of the woman who appeared to be his first choice, by extension, means choosing Yu Ziyuan second to Cangse Sanren once again.
Most Unhinged Act of Devotion in MDZS
Wei Wuxian giving his golden core to Jiang Cheng
Xiao Xingchen giving his eyes to Song Lan
Lan Wangji fighting 33 Lan elders + getting lashed for Wei Wuxian
Lan Xichen being willing to die with Jin Guangyao
Wen Ning + Wen Qing sacrificing themselves for the other Wen Remnants & WWX
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Wei Wuxian would be the strict ass dad who is clicking the lamp on and spinning around when their kid comes home after curfew and Lan Wangji is like listen as long as youâre with friends and being safe itâs ok
Wei âTaking notes is fine and all, but itâs better to keep the knowledge in your head. Canât go flipping through your notes in the middle of a fight,â Wuxian, whoâs more than painfully aware that sometimes a person might find themselves in a situation where no one can help them but themself, and if themself isnât good enough, theyâre as good as dead.
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Lan âDo you best, but donât push yourself,â Wangji, who spent 13 years regretting that he didnât fully commit himself to stand by the side of the man he loved as that man shouldered more than he could possibly carry, take on the world, and ultimately ended up dying about it.
For who would being an only child be the worst
Lan Xichen
Lan Wangji
Nie Mingjue
Nie Huaisang
Jiang Yanli
Jiang Cheng
Wei Wuxian*
Wen Ning
Wen Qing
âOnly childâ here means they never had a sibling at all, not that they lost their sibling
*I guess you can argue that WWX was an only child but he wasnât raised as such
Hm, this is interesting to speculate about. I think the only objectively incorrect choice here is Lan Xichen, and maybe probably Wen Qing for a similar reason. Not really because their lives improve if they never had a sibling, but because everyone elseâs would change very drastically and likely for the worse.
The really one major reason it would suck for Lan Wangji is that the whole Wangxian romance is predicated on the fact that Lan Wangji is a second son, and thus, has significantly less moral and political obligation to marry for the sake of producing an heir. If Lan Wangji was an only child, heâd be obligated to have a child, because heaven forbid that he forsake his ancestors by letting the bloodline end with him. The result is that if he wants Wei Wuxian, then Wei Wuxian can only ever be a side piece while he must take a legal wife.
Nie Mingjue would be in a similar spot without Nie Huaisang, where heâd be forced to take a bride since he no longer has a brother as his backup heir. And unlike Lan Wangji, heâs under a time crunch to do so, what with his mortality more imminently present than anyone else on this list.
Nie Huaisangâs childhood would probably get considerably unhappier, as heâd be raised as the heir from the get-go. Heâd never have the space to be the feckless young master who can idly wile away his days painting, collecting art, and watching birds.
Jiang Yanli is interesting. Her mother is already not exactly the kindest to her, hard to say whether or not Yu Ziyuan would hold any bitterness towards her for not being born male. Maybe she might pressure Jiang Yanli to be as strong as her as sheâd have to be the one to inherit the clan. Which thereâs no way that turns out well, given Jiang Yanliâs disposition and below average aptitude for cultivation. Her married life certainly got a whole lot more complicated. Sheâd have to have a ruzhui marriage, which muddies up the hierarchy a bit. Jiang Yanli is a woman, and one with weak cultivation at that, so an already uphill battle to command respect and authority within her clan just got steeper. Sheâd need to have a very harmonious marriage with whoever her husband would be (which wouldnât be Jin Zixuan in this scenario, because obviously the Jin canât be marrying out their heir), as her husband could either end up wresting authority from her, simply for being a guy, and potentially one with a higher cultivation than her, or would get no respect whatsoever for, not only not being of Jiang bloodline, but also for being a man who had to marry into the womanâs family, rather than being able to establish his own household. (A potentially interesting consequence of this is that, because of Yu Ziyuanâs and Madam Jinâs standing promise of making their own children either sworn siblings or a wedded couple, Madam Jin might feel compelled to produce a second child to fulfill that promise. Not sure how that would hash out, given that Jin Zixuan was pretty likely to already be a couple years younger than Jiang Yanli.)
Iâm pretty sure that Jiang Chengâs life just automatically gets way worse without Jiang Yanli to act as a buffer and a balm from his overbearing tiger of a mother. (Eldest daughter syndrome indeed.)
I think it would be hard to vote for Wei Wuxian, because thereâs too much ambiguity in this scenario. What does being raised as an only child look like for Wei Wuxian? Does that mean that Jiang Yanli, the only person who ever truly acknowledged Wei Wuxian as her own younger brother, no longer recognizes him as such, or does she just not exist altogether? Does it mean that Jiang Fengmian has no children at all when he takes in Wei Wuxian as his ward? Does it mean that Jiang Fengmian never took in Wei Wuxian at all? Is Wei Wuxian still out on the streets, or did someone else who doesnât have children take him in? Thereâs so much uncertainty that it canât be definitively said whether it would be better or worse for him to be raised as an only child.
Hard to say what Wen Ningâs alternate life would turn out. He no longer has a strong-willed older sister to shield him, so he could potentially end up even meeker and beaten down as heâd probably be an even easier target for the bullies in his clan. However, maybe the circumstances might force him to find himself sooner. For all that it was noted that Wen Ning was always following either Wen Qing or Wei Wuxian around, Wen Ning has his willful moments (ie: sheltering Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng from Wen Chao against his sisterâs wishes; spilling the beans about the golden core transfer against Wei Wuxianâs wishes). Without his sister to take the lead, he could end up finding himself tapping into that willfulness more often.
All that being said, I think itâs a toss-up between Nie Huaisang and Jiang Cheng for who would be worse off as an only child.
How would a female Jiang Cheng be in your opinion, how would she perceived in her world, or by fandom?
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Jiang Cheng is already a controversial character, with most people loving him or hating him to the extreme. Add that to a woman and it becomes worse.
First off, its no secret how strong willed 'morally grey' female characters often get lots of backlash or dragged in fandom, especially when they present a particular threat or obstacle to the main protagonist.
Most people in fandom (the ones who don't view jc&wwx as siblings) see Jiang Cheng as a threat to wangxian because he is the other man in the 'love triangle'. (Wen Ning could also be included in that potential partner list but this isn't about him.)
that being said
Had Jiang Cheng been a women, I think most people would still see her as a rival to wangxian. I don't know how else to explain it, but Jiang Cheng would be turned into the manifestation of heteronormativity and therefore vilified even more. It would come off as " why do you ship a man and a woman in a queer story, when that man is gay and the woman is awful, you are so homophobic blah blah blah"
And remember most of the gentry believed there was something going on between Jiang Yanli and Wei Wuxian, it got so bad Jiang Yanli had to speak out during the crowd hunt at Lanling and publicly state that Wei Wuxian was like a little brother to her.
Now imagine more rumors circling that Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian. Every bit of favor or lenience that Jiang Cheng would show to Wei Wuxian would make everyone see her as a lovesick girl. They would all believe that Wei Wuxian would be manipulating her somehow. It could even ruin her future marriage prospects and potential be seen as a 'used woman' because no one would believe that they were not not lovers.
Or better yet, if Jiang Fengmian and Madam Yu didn't try for a male heir and then brought in Wei Wuxian, everyone would be even more sure that Wei Wuxian was Jiang Fengmian's bastard brought in because his wife was unable to bear him a son. It would make questions on Jiang Cheng's credibility as heir.
The rivalry between the two would also become worse. Jiang Cheng's inability to beat Wei Wuxian in skill and strength would probably put a giant strain on their relationship. It would only further her parent's and the cultivation's dislike of her and belief that she is not a good enough heir and cultivator.
There is so much more I could say but I already erased most of what I could without compromising my thoughts.
But yeah! Thank you anon for the question it was fun to write out my thoughts <333
Also, consider this: You said bringing in Wei Wuxian would raise questions about Jiang Chengâs credibility as heir, but the thing is, would she still be the heir? The reason why Jiang Cheng is the heir in canon, is because heâs the eldest male heir. Jiang Cheng no longer being male means that, consequently, Jiang Cheng is not the eldest heir. Jiang Yanli is.
With Jiang Yanli now the heir, that probably means her parents will have to try to arrange a ruzhui marriage for her, where the husband will have to marry into the family. Obviously, Jin Zixuan canât marry in, because heâs the heir to his own clan, but that doesnât make the promise between Madam Yu and Madam Jin to either make their children sworn siblings if theyâre the same sex or husband and wife if they were opposite genders stop existing. Which meansâŚ
Rather than Jiang Yanli and Jin Zixuan being arranged to marry, it would be Jiang Cheng and Jin Zixuan who are betrothed to each other.

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Because this video:
Lives rent-free in my head and pops up in my mind every couple months, it really got me thinking how Jin Ling is the ideal heir Jin Guangyao could have, given his whole circumstances.
So Jin Guangyao needs an heir, because we know there are other clan members who would love to seize the position of clan head. We know this because the epilogues outright said that Jiang Cheng had to barge into the Jinlingtai, whip crackling, to solidify Jin Lingâs position and protect him from those clan members. Without the legitimately-blooded Jin Ling, born to the equally legitimate Jin Zixuan, another clan member could waltz up going, âI can be clan leader. Look at me! Iâm hale, hearty, and have legitimate heirs of my own. And unlike that other guy, Iâm not a bastard born to a prostitute.â
Obviously Jin Guangyao canât be having heirs of his own, because of⌠All That. Taking a concubine would be tricky, because whatever excuse he gave to Qin Su for Never Laying With Her Again, At All, Ever, would no doubt be hard to explain away. Why is he okay with sleeping with his concubine, but never his legal wife? Besides, unlike his father, itâs safe to say that Jin Guangyao doesnât want to cause Qin Su unnecessary pain (or at least, what he views to be unnecessary pain). Having Jin Ling as his heir sidesteps that issue and more.
He couldâve given Qin Su the excuse of something along the lines of how he doesnât want to jeopardize Jin Lingâs legitimacy with a son of his own. Not only does Jin Lingâs direct lineage bypass the issue of Jin Guangyaoâs own socially shaky bloodline, it also has the bonus of good PR, making him look more noble than he really is, because âLook at how unselfish he is! Heâs only looking out for the rightful heir and will pass the mantle back to the main family line when the time comes.â
And best of all, Jin Lingâs parents are dead. If Jin Guangyao tried to adopt from a branch family, heâd no doubt have to contend with the parents that child was born to trying to exert their own pressure and influences. However, once Madam Jin was dead, Jin Ling no longer had any other authority figures Jin Guangyao would have to compete with for influence. (No, Jiang Cheng doesnât count, because before Jin Ling became Clan Leader, he had minimal, if not zero, say on how the Jin Clan was run.)
Jin Ling is the best heir Jin Guangyao could hope for.
The only drawback (and I say that very lightly) of WangXian being such well written characters is that when people write them in fics without OOC warnings, my brain doesn't want to accept it. Like, I would love to just enjoy the fics like I do with other fandoms but sometimes my brain is just like this isn't what I was expecting. It's the same feeling I get when I eat something well liked but they changed an ingredient, it's not bad but the difference is so jarring to my brain I can't enjoy what I'm given.
Yeeeaaaah, also not helping matters is how âOOCâ can be pretty relative, on account of how the characters are characterized differently between the novel (the source material), and The Untamed (wildly popular show that was the introduction to the series for a non-insignificant portion of the fandom).