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It really upsets me that people don't realize how terrible the situation of the Plants in the manga is.

Their position is worse than slavery, they are literally livestock to be consumed. Everyone thinks that on Earth and the other colonies the burden on the Plants must be less because people there aren't fighting for survival. But that's the problem with humanity, we take more than we need to survive, and humanity in TriMax is quite realistic in that sense. Even on No Man's Land, there are rich people who enjoy luxuries simply because they can, not because they will die without them. And where life is better, there are only more such people. Also technologically advanced civilizations consume more energy, so no, it's unlikely that on Earth the load on the Plants is less, it's just that there's an option to replace those who died with new ones.

There's also the argument that "Plants want to be energy sources themselves". But I don't think that's true. They are artificially produced, they have no choice what to do with their life. Yes, the Plants feel sorry for humans, because Plants are kind beings capable of empathy, but that doesn't mean they accept their situation. The Plants of No Man's Land went with Knives of their own free will, and from what the Earthlings are saying, the Plants on Earth and in other colonies are also starting rebellions here and there.

Yes, at the end of the manga the humans agreed to "coexist" with the Plants, but what exactly was supposed to change? In the last chapter, we see that they built a large Plant dome in Octovern. Also, that there are now televisions on No Man's Land, which most likely run on the same energy from the Plants, because no other energy sources were shown and we've seen that the Earthlings' ships are powered by the Plants, so it's unlikely that there's any other energy source at all. So all that's changed is the container that holds the Plants. But even if humans sincerely wanted to do Plants justice, what could they give them? In fact, the Plants don't even need light bulbs or a dome. As mentioned in the manga, the dependent Plants have a sort of collective intelligence, so merging is no danger to them, and once merged they can function without human support. They only came back because humans would die without them, not the other way around.

Ideally, production of dependent Plants should be stopped and independent Plants should be allowed to negotiate the terms of their coexistence with humans, since they are able to communicate with both sides, but as I mentioned above, dependent Plants are still a source of energy for Earthlings at least, independent Plants on Earth are controlled by the government (according to the Chronica they all have some kind of neuro-blocking), and Vash is hunted by soldiers and bounty hunters.

It really upsets me that people don't realize how terrible the situation of the Plants in the manga is.

Their position is worse than slavery, they are literally livestock to be consumed. Everyone thinks that on Earth and the other colonies the burden on the Plants must be less because people there aren't fighting for survival. But that's the problem with humanity, we take more than we need to survive, and humanity in TriMax is quite realistic in that sense. Even on No Man's Land, there are rich people who enjoy luxuries simply because they can, not because they will die without them. And where life is better, there are only more such people. Also technologically advanced civilizations consume more energy, so no, it's unlikely that on Earth the load on the Plants is less, it's just that there's an option to replace those who died with new ones.

There's also the argument that "Plants want to be energy sources themselves". But I don't think that's true. They are artificially produced, they have no choice what to do with their life. Yes, the Plants feel sorry for humans, because Plants are kind beings capable of empathy, but that doesn't mean they accept their situation. The Plants of No Man's Land went with Knives of their own free will, and from what the Earthlings are saying, the Plants on Earth and in other colonies are also starting rebellions here and there.

Yes, at the end of the manga the humans agreed to "coexist" with the Plants, but what exactly was supposed to change? In the last chapter, we see that they built a large Plant dome in Octovern. Also, that there are now televisions on No Man's Land, which most likely run on the same energy from the Plants, because no other energy sources were shown and we've seen that the Earthlings' ships are powered by the Plants, so it's unlikely that there's any other energy source at all. So all that's changed is the container that holds the Plants. But even if humans sincerely wanted to do Plants justice, what could they give them? In fact, the Plants don't even need light bulbs or a dome. As mentioned in the manga, the dependent Plants have a sort of collective intelligence, so merging is no danger to them, and once merged they can function without human support. They only came back because humans would die without them, not the other way around.

Ideally, production of dependent Plants should be stopped and independent Plants should be allowed to negotiate the terms of their coexistence with humans, since they are able to communicate with both sides, but as I mentioned above, dependent Plants are still a source of energy for Earthlings at least, independent Plants on Earth are controlled by the government (according to the Chronica they all have some kind of neuro-blocking), and Vash is hunted by soldiers and bounty hunters.

Knives was absorbing them?? He didn’t ask and they didn’t say “Hey sure little bro-phew, I do want to get absorbed into your consciousness and eradicated human kind”. I’m pretty sure he absorbed Domina and or Chronica too.

Knives didn't absorb them, he merged with some himself, but most were gathered onto the ark, where they eventually merged into a huge creature.

It really upsets me that people don't realize how terrible the situation of the Plants in the manga is.

Their position is worse than slavery, they are literally livestock to be consumed. Everyone thinks that on Earth and the other colonies the burden on the Plants must be less because people there aren't fighting for survival. But that's the problem with humanity, we take more than we need to survive, and humanity in TriMax is quite realistic in that sense. Even on No Man's Land, there are rich people who enjoy luxuries simply because they can, not because they will die without them. And where life is better, there are only more such people. Also technologically advanced civilizations consume more energy, so no, it's unlikely that on Earth the load on the Plants is less, it's just that there's an option to replace those who died with new ones.

There's also the argument that "Plants want to be energy sources themselves". But I don't think that's true. They are artificially produced, they have no choice what to do with their life. Yes, the Plants feel sorry for humans, because Plants are kind beings capable of empathy, but that doesn't mean they accept their situation. The Plants of No Man's Land went with Knives of their own free will, and from what the Earthlings are saying, the Plants on Earth and in other colonies are also starting rebellions here and there.

Yes, at the end of the manga the humans agreed to "coexist" with the Plants, but what exactly was supposed to change? In the last chapter, we see that they built a large Plant dome in Octovern. Also, that there are now televisions on No Man's Land, which most likely run on the same energy from the Plants, because no other energy sources were shown and we've seen that the Earthlings' ships are powered by the Plants, so it's unlikely that there's any other energy source at all. So all that's changed is the container that holds the Plants. But even if humans sincerely wanted to do Plants justice, what could they give them? In fact, the Plants don't even need light bulbs or a dome. As mentioned in the manga, the dependent Plants have a sort of collective intelligence, so merging is no danger to them, and once merged they can function without human support. They only came back because humans would die without them, not the other way around.

Ideally, production of dependent Plants should be stopped and independent Plants should be allowed to negotiate the terms of their coexistence with humans, since they are able to communicate with both sides, but as I mentioned above, dependent Plants are still a source of energy for Earthlings at least, independent Plants on Earth are controlled by the government (according to the Chronica they all have some kind of neuro-blocking), and Vash is hunted by soldiers and bounty hunters.

It really upsets me that people don't realize how terrible the situation of the Plants in the manga is.

Their position is worse than slavery, they are literally livestock to be consumed. Everyone thinks that on Earth and the other colonies the burden on the Plants must be less because people there aren't fighting for survival. But that's the problem with humanity, we take more than we need to survive, and humanity in TriMax is quite realistic in that sense. Even on No Man's Land, there are rich people who enjoy luxuries simply because they can, not because they will die without them. And where life is better, there are only more such people. Also technologically advanced civilizations consume more energy, so no, it's unlikely that on Earth the load on the Plants is less, it's just that there's an option to replace those who died with new ones.

There's also the argument that "Plants want to be energy sources themselves". But I don't think that's true. They are artificially produced, they have no choice what to do with their life. Yes, the Plants feel sorry for humans, because Plants are kind beings capable of empathy, but that doesn't mean they accept their situation. The Plants of No Man's Land went with Knives of their own free will, and from what the Earthlings are saying, the Plants on Earth and in other colonies are also starting rebellions here and there.

Yes, at the end of the manga the humans agreed to "coexist" with the Plants, but what exactly was supposed to change? In the last chapter, we see that they built a large Plant dome in Octovern. Also, that there are now televisions on No Man's Land, which most likely run on the same energy from the Plants, because no other energy sources were shown and we've seen that the Earthlings' ships are powered by the Plants, so it's unlikely that there's any other energy source at all. So all that's changed is the container that holds the Plants. But even if humans sincerely wanted to do Plants justice, what could they give them? In fact, the Plants don't even need light bulbs or a dome. As mentioned in the manga, the dependent Plants have a sort of collective intelligence, so merging is no danger to them, and once merged they can function without human support. They only came back because humans would die without them, not the other way around.

Ideally, production of dependent Plants should be stopped and independent Plants should be allowed to negotiate the terms of their coexistence with humans, since they are able to communicate with both sides, but as I mentioned above, dependent Plants are still a source of energy for Earthlings at least, independent Plants on Earth are controlled by the government (according to the Chronica they all have some kind of neuro-blocking), and Vash is hunted by soldiers and bounty hunters.

in tri98 hes just sorta not given much reason to be evil - yes he was verbally and at points physically abused by one member of the crew but not enough of that is shown for the big fall to feel justifiable . he just sorta went off the rails with very little reason to imo , although i cant really blame the show for this as the Tragic Childhood vol of trimax wasnt out yet so they had quite little material to work from

HOWEVER in tristamp they decided on this weird plot of him physically being ‘less human’ like he doesnt need to eat to survive , and personality wise seems very unconcerned with humans . a lot of the tristamp interpretations of the characters differ significantly from their maximum counterparts but this way of portraying knives as well as how his arrogance and superiority beliefs are portrayed … kinda makes my skin crawl . i just really dont know why they did this - a character doesnt have to be ‘not human’ to be evil , and i felt like it ruined knives’ character quite a lot because trimax knives is so different

trigun maximum shows that knives as a child was extremely nervous about being accepted by humans and even shows him crying from relief and happiness after he meets a human other than rem for the first time and he almost instantly accepts him . knives’ character is so interesting in trimax because he was SO caring as a child and that changed drastically because of the trauma he was put through , you definitely feel more of the impact of the tesla incident in maximum