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you touched on it a little in your recent "if i fell" post, but i was wondering if you'd consider going a little deeper on your thoughts/issues with the ian leslie book (or direct me in a post that could articulate your feelings)? thanks for everything you do on this blog!
I actually have never made a post entirely about Ian Leslie's book. I only finished reading it quite recently, so this question comes at a good time, lol. After finally reading it, my opinion of the book became a bit more nuanced than it was before. I realized that my main issue with Leslie isn't so much the book itself, but rather some of the things he said while promoting it in interviews. Ian is a good writer, but for me (and for many others here), the book itself is rather bland because there is pretty much nothing in it that I hadn't already read or heard elsewhere. Leslie didn't interview any new insiders or uncover fresh anecdotes or perspectives, so everything he presents is material that was already publicly available. I completely understand why many people were disappointed. I wasn't, though, as the book turned out to me quite similar to what I excepted. That said, I definitely don't think it's a bad place to start for a general Beatles fan who doesn't know much about the lore surrounding John and Paul. In fact, he includes far more suggestive material than I expected. He includes Yoko's speculation that John wanted to have an affair with Paul but that Paul "rejected him sexually," and that John's anger toward Paul during the early 70s was so disproportionate that she wondered "what it was really about" (interestingly, Leslie does not include Philip Norman's phrase describing Paul as having an "immovable heterosexuality." He only uses that phrase later in interviews when explaining why he "doubts" anything sexual ever happened between them). He also discusses Paul saying that John told him Jealous Guy was about him, points out the clues suggesting I Know (I Know), Starting Over, and Let Me Roll It may have been songs directed at each other, and even notes how Paul initially denied any Lennon connection in Let Me Roll It before later contradicting himself. He also explicitly argues that John and Paul's respective marriages in 1969 were partly reactions to one another, just like Paul himself said. He discusses Paul feeling left out when John became absorbed in Yoko, and John rushing to marry Yoko after Paul married Linda. When describing the church fete, Leslie writes that Paul was "struck" by how good John looked, then later quotes John's own remark that Paul "looked like Elvis. I dug him," and that John was equally impressed by "how handsome Paul was." He also includes Yoko's observation that if Paul had been a woman, "he would have been a great threat", John's 1971 rant (including the that "at the end, he chose me" part), John's jealousy of Linda (as well as saying that John was disturbed by Paul's engagement to Jane), and even the story of John cutting up the clothes of the girl Paul had in bed. There are many moments like these that I'm sure most of the general public have never encountered before. I think most readers came away at least wondering whether John might have been in love with Paul, as there are many passages where Leslie clearly encourages that interpretation. Throughout the book, Leslie discusses John's sexuality quite a few times. He concludes that there is "little doubt" John was "predominantly heterosexual", but argues that he was probably more sexually fluid than Paul and "possessed genuine same-sex curiosity and desire".
Paul's side of the story, however, is presented much more ambiguously, which was exactly what I expected. As I mentioned, Leslie includes Yoko's speculation that Paul rejected John sexually, but he argues that the rejection or abandonment John felt most likely existed largely in John's own mind. That is actually something I broadly agree with. What I didn't like is that Leslie sometimes writes as though this interpretation is objective reality rather than simply John's perception. He said that John eventually "had to accept the truth" that Paul, "the person he regarded as his creative soulmate, best friend, and equal", simply "did not see him in the same way". Had Leslie presented this as John's belief, I would have had no issue. Instead, he often writes as if he knows exactly what both men were thinking and feeling. He frequently says things like "Paul believed...", "Paul felt...", or "Paul did this because..." in a way that sometimes makes the book read more like a novel in which he is the omniscient narrator. Throughout much of the book he portrays Paul as emotionally distant while John increasingly feels ignored, neglected, and abandoned. He even says that he "doubts" that Paul even realized John was speaking to him in In My Life (which again, mirrors what he says in interviews about Paul being very "oblivious"). John certainly was needy, but focusing on this so much has the overall effect of making everything feel more one-sided than it was.
Another issue was how little attention Leslie gives to Stuart. He briefly notes that John formed a close friendship with Stu and includes one sentence about Paul feeling jealous, but the discussion focuses almost entirely on Paul's complaints about Stuart's bass playing. He doesn't explore the emotional dimension of the John-Stuart-Paul triangle at all, how significant John's friendship with Stuart was (and the fact that John was actually closer to Stu than to Paul for some time), or show direct quotes that reflect how deeply Paul's jealousy ran according to various insiders and Paul himself. Considering how central that period was to their relationship, it feels very understated. Likewise, when discussing Paul's wedding to Linda, Leslie briefly mentions that Paul and Linda argued the night before and that Paul had doubts, but he greatly minimizes Maggie's account. He merely writes that Maggie "received a phone call" from Paul expressing uncertainty. We know from Maggie's own recollections that the episode was considerably more dramatic than that, and that it wasn't "a phone call" at all. He also omits the "John's princess" nickname given by Apple staff. I was surprised to see that Leslie included a few quotes from Francie's book, though he leaves tthe most revealing anecdotes in her book, that Paul visibly looked disturbed whenever John openly talked about how much he loved Yoko. He doesn't mention John's "I wish I was back with Paul!". He also edits one of Paul's quotes from his phone call to Hunter Davies. He leaves out the bit where Paul says, "he went through all his old affairs, confessed them all", when he was explaining that he completely understood why John was publicly slagging him off.
Then there are Leslie's interviews promoting the book. In interviews he repeatedly says he found no evidence of an actual romantic relationship, describes their bond as "romantic but not sexual," or argues that while John may have wanted something more, Paul's "immovable heterosexuality" prevented it from ever becoming mutual. Yet every now and then he would randomly say things like:
"Towards the end of the decade, there were intimations that they might even rekindle their friendship fully—in the platonic sense, at least."
Or says that the relationship might have had "a physical or erotic component to it."
I've said before that I actually suspect Leslie believes the relationship was more mutual than he openly argues, and that he's exercising a degree of self-censorship for the sake of writing a mainstream Beatles book. But overall, the book reads like a fairly conventional Beatles biography, with the clear difference that it often uses romantic language and incorporates a great deal of suggestive lore that most Beatles books either ignore or gloss over. The implications are often difficult to miss. I think most of the general readers came away having learned many lesser known details about John and Paul's relationship, and the book would probably leave them wanting to learn more, which is good. I suspect many readers finished the book wondering what Paul actually felt, while seriously entertaining the possibility that John may have been in love with him. Leslie leaves Paul's side much more ambiguous, but never portrays it as anything less than deeply intense.
"I asked Jake to bring Elvis [Costello] into the office where I took him into my confidence about my hopes for him co-writing with Paul, which happily was a prospect which excited him. I then suggested to Paul that he should shelve the material he had been recording with Phil Ramone for the time being and try to write some new songs with Elvis. Albeit with the raised-eyebrow, somewhat-sceptical air he affected when being told something he didn't want to hear, Paul agreed to “give it a try" and almost immediately they started to write and record together. [...] But despite a creative flame having been lit between them which burned so brightly that a whole album's worth of material was completed before the end of June, Paul essentially wasn't comfortable with its implications, at one point exasperatedly asking me, "who does this guy think he is, John Lennon?" [...] I had told him that he needed help to write better songs and whilst he quite readily agreed to work with Elvis Costello, I could see then what he has since admitted, which was that he had serious reservations about the collaboration and at times, because of the emotionally disturbing chords it struck with him, he found the whole experience quite difficult." (Richard Odgen)
"[Me and Elvis] just sat on these couches. Each of us got an acoustic guitar. Sat across from each other. I said to him, ‘The way I’m used to working with a collaborator is really, mainly with John. And the way we used to do it is sit opposite like this...' And the thing for me that was kind of nice. The nice thing for me is seeing John there, him being right-handed, me being left-handed, it felt to me like I was looking in a mirror. So that was a way I had learned to write and it was the way I liked to write and Elvis was very happy to work like that. So it was like a repeat of that process, and so he was John, basically, and I was Paul. You know, the bottom line is I’ve never had a better collaborator than John and I don’t expect to. Because we were pretty hot.” (Paul)
"When me and Elvis Costello came together...there were similarities between him and John. They both got specs. People with glasses got a different sort of attitude to the world, I think. They could be a little more introverted...a litttle more of a pussycat on the inside and more aggressive on the outside. Which John was, and I think Elvis is a little bit. I like that in people." (Paul)
“I was sort of a little startled when [Paul] made that reference. I think it’s more to just try to explain the immediacy of the way we worked rather than put me in the same bracket as Lennon. I don’t see myself like that." (Elvis Costello)
"At first I thought the natural thing: ‘I’ve collaborated with Lennon and anybody else will not be as good.’ Which I still feel. If you’ve written with the best, who else is going to be as good? [...] I felt Elvis Costello was the nearest to John and I get a lot of journalists asking me this. ‘Yeah, there are similarities between them …’ But I got pissed off after a while and I ended up answering, ‘Yeah, they both wore glasses.’ No matter how anyone reminds me of John, they’re not John." (Paul)

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Do you think Paul had any sort of idea about Ian Leslie’s book being released last year?Considering it was quite hyped on this idea of it being the first book to ever look solely at John and Paul, and in a way that treads the line of ambiguity, even if going back to the usual narrative. I know there’s a law that states you have the right to look at the lives of public figures and write about them without seeking permission, but I can’t imagine Paul’s management not having some idea, they must have to watch for things with Paul’s name attached. Knowing what I do about Paul, I imagine it would have piqued his interest to hear all this hype for a book on his relationship with John, even if not portraying it in a certain way, being published by Faber & Faber, a big publisher. I’m not a fan of the book, as are others in this sphere, but to the general public—and ever since Get Back—it’s been another step in the zooming in on the John and Paul relationship.
I'm pretty sure he knows about the book. It was a bestseller, the media talked about it a lot, and Ian Leslie himself said that he sent a copy to Paul. They once asked him whether he was worried about what Paul might think of the book and whether he thought Paul had read it, and Ian said:
"It’s funny, whatever my insecurities about the book, that wasn’t one of them. I never thought much about Paul reading it. I’d be happy if he did but my basic model of him is that he’s not interested in reading books about himself [...] My aim was not to match or replicate Paul McCartney’s narrative of the Beatles - we have that already, via thousands of interviews. In fact, some of my speculations are directly at odds with what Paul says about certain songs or events. I don’t think Two Of Us is about Linda, to take but one example of many [...] In a lot of Beatles literature, when John or Paul says, “This song is about X” or “Y happened because of Z”, it gets taken as the final answer. Sometimes that’s reasonable but often it has to be weighed against other considerations. Sometimes they’ve said conflicting things in different interviews, sometimes it conflicts with what others have said [...] I’m pretty sure Paul will know about the book if only because he runs a professional outfit and various people around him will have mentioned it. But I doubt he’s read it, and if he gives it any thought at all it will be in the strategic sense - as one of the many ways in which his reputation, and that of the Beatles, is being shaped in the 2020s. I have sent a copy to him via an intermediary, out of courtesy. If he does look at it, I hope he’ll see it’s written out of love and gratitude, whether it annoys him or not."
Some news articles also said they reached out to Paul's team, who replied that they weren't commenting on the book. So Paul's entourage absolutely knows about it, and I think Paul almost certainly does too. What I find more interesting is that, despite the book being such a success, not a single interviewer has ever directly brought it up to Paul, at least publicly. To me that's pretty telling. Maybe journalists are simply nervous about asking, or maybe Paul or his team have made it clear beforehand that it's not something he wants to discuss (if the latter is true, it would indicate that the subject is very loaded and sensitive to him that he cannot just discuss it casually in an interview. If really there wasn't anything more between them than a completely normal platonic relationship it would be less likely that he would avoid the subject that much, given that the book doesn't even claim that they were lovers). Of course, we can't know. I also agree with Ian that Paul probably hasn't read it. This is just my opinion, but I think he'd probably feel uneasy about it. Imagine someone publishing a bestselling book about your incredibly intense relationship with your best friend, interpreting your songs and your feelings. Paul himself has said that books which claim things he knows to be wrong can really bother him. And more generally, I don't think Paul likes publicly dissecting that relationship. The impression I get from him is one of ambivalence about how much he wants to share. As a recent example, of course, there's that verse in Days We Left Behind. He unpromtedly said that it was about memories with John, which is actually unusual for him because he's often quite cagey about acknowledging songs or parts of songs as being about John. I was very surprised by that, especially given how emotionally loaded the lyrics of that verse are. But then, some time later, he seemed to soften it by volunteering, unprompted, "Someone asked what the secret code was. You make lots of stuff up when you write songs." Later, when an interviewer directly pressed him, he answered more generally, saying the "secret code" referred to the songs they wrote together, but he never addressed what the "promise" was or why he chose to describe those songs as a "secret code." Since then, he hasn't brought that verse up again, even when discussing Days We Left Behind. Also think about how visibly uncomfortable he seemed when someone good-naturedly pointed out the way he and John were looking at each other during the rooftop concert. Paul has often said he's a very private man, so I doubt he enjoys having one of the most important relationships of his life publicly analyzed by strangers. And he's completely within his rights to feel that way (I know I would if I were him). He doesn't owe us an explanation for everything. If anything, I think we're lucky that he seemingly throws us some little crumbs through subtle implications, symbolism, and his songs, which he's often said are the medium he prefers for revealing personal things about his life. I just think he prefers the speculation about him and John to be done privately.
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Personally, I don't believe they had a relationship, but there are some things in the songs that I can't explain. Like "She loves you" being written in a way that sounds like the speaker using the 3rd person about themselves (John's song, correct me if I'm wrong) and "And I love her" being a direct answer to that (that's why there's "and" in the title, also - Paul's song). Or the song Press with blatantly sexual lyrics and "Oklahoma was never like this". What could it be refering to but the musical, written by a famous duo that was a predecessor to Lennon-McCartney? ("It was never like this with their writing"). But then again, there is "Lovers that never were", impying they didn't take the chance. What are your thoughts on those?
Press does actually stand out to me, given how it talks about a secret code, which Paul now brought up again in Days We Left Behind. So yes, if that song is about John, then it's indeed very hard to explain away. But to be honest, I don’t believe either "She Loves You" or "And I Love Her" have much (if anything) to do with John and Paul's relationship. Most of their early 60s love songs feel like exactly that: straightforward pop numbers without too much subtext to analyze. "She Loves You" falls squarely into that category for me, and I firmly believe "And I Love Her" was written about Jane Asher. I don't see any real connection between the two tracks. Regarding "The Lovers That Never Were," I am actually much more reserved about that song than most people in this fandom. I am always careful not to draw sweeping conclusions from co-written tracks, and Elvis Costello was heavily involved in that one. Because we don't know who wrote which lines, or who came up with the title phrase, we can't definitively use it as proof. It could easily be a standard, melancholic love song about no one in particular that they just happened to pen together. Taking the title to mean that John and Paul "never went there" or never took a physical chance is simply more than we can comfortably deduce.
That being said, there are absolutely songs from both of them that (when you scrutinize the lyrics and the context in which they were written) clearly seem to be inspired by one another. These are the tracks that are rather hard to explain away if you believe their relationship was strictly platonic. Take "Arrow Through Me" (written in 1979). It was written at a distinct low point in Paul and John's relationship, and Wings drummer Steve Holley noted that Paul was visibly depressed about missing John while they were recording it. Interestingly, in The Lyrics book, Paul includes the song but spends 95% of the entry talking about entirely unrelated topics. When he finally acknowledges the track in the very last paragraph, he vaguely mentions that "the character" in the song has been wounded and cheated on, cryptically adding that "there was nobody more down" than him at that moment, without ever elaborating. Another song you should really pay attention to is "However Absurd" (1986). Most of the track is complete nonsense, which Paul has acknowledged was similar to John’s "I Am the Walrus" style. But the middle verse completely stands out, as it isn't nonsense at all:
"Something special between us. When we made love the game was over. I couldn't say the words, words wouldn't get my feelings through, So I keep talking to you..."
This mirrors a recurring and deeply self-aware theme in Paul's songs about John: his profound difficulty with vocalizing his feelings, or regret over not telling John "I love you" enough while he was alive. If this verse is indeed about John, well, you can interpret the "when we made love the game was over" as you wish, haha. If I were to draw any connection between that line and another song, then I'd say that concept of a "game" echoes his line from "Here Today": "we were playing hard to get." But for me, what really cemented my belief that neither of them viewed their relationship as just a friendship aren't even any of these songs. Lyrics can always be dismissed as "poetic license" (using romantic language to elevate intense but platonic emotions). What cannot be easily explained away is the way they actively taunted each other through their songs by weaponizing their new relationships. In the early 70s they were throwing jabs that essentially amounted to, "Ha, I have someone new now who has replaced you." You see it clearly in the last verse of Paul's "Too Many People" ("Now what can be done for you? She's waiting for me"). Conversely, look at how John immediately took "Dear Boy" personally. Regardless of who Paul actually had in mind when he wrote it (whether it was John or Linda’s ex-husband), the fact that John instantly assumed Paul was taunting him is incredibly revealing. It is simply not usual behavior for a man to use his new marriage as a petty dig at his former best friend, nor is it casual for that friend to interpret the song as a message that he "fumbled" the relationship and is now missing out. If they were constantly using Linda and Yoko to signal that they had replaced one another, they were acutely quite aware of the exclusive space they used to occupy in each other's hearts. They knew exactly how much it would hurt the other to see that space filled. This matches Paul's own admission that they "spurred each other into marriage", or John recreating the David Bailey photos with Yoko. Whatever the nature of their relationship was, it was clearly not a normal "platonic" friendship, and neither of them seemed to perceive it that way either, judging by both the things they said about each other and the songs they wrote. There are simply too many aspects of their relationship that you have to either downplay or explain away in order to dismiss the romantic undertones.
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"It’s lovely to think John would have been 80. And, you know, that’s...that’s... it’s nice to imagine him at 80. I think he would...I think he would be, very literate. I think he would be writing, uh, not necessarily just music cause he was starting to get into, uh, he did, he did a couple of little books. Um, and I think, I think he would have matured nicely." (2020)
"[I use] pencil and paper. I’m not a typist. Funnily enough, John became a red-hot typist towards the end of his life. He had always had this “Arts Correspondent in Kowloon” kind of dream. But for me it’s pencil and paper." (2001)
"He might have become a novelist. That's something he wanted to do." (1989)
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