anyway if you think “not liking men is cringe” (as one post I saw eloquently put it) I’d like to remind you that we still live under patriarchy and there’s literally nothing wrong with someone not liking their oppressor class
women are not obligated to like men, to say “not all men though!” every time we generalize about men, or to even be friends with men. men are not being oppressed by women who don’t like them, that’s not what oppression is
the ONLY time it’s fucked up for a woman to talk shit about men in general is if it’s a way for her to enact some other form of oppression - if she’s using it as a vehicle for her racism or transphobia or islamophobia etc. Because those forms of oppression are real, and privileged women have a history of weaponizing our supposed inherent vulnerability against people we have power over.
but just saying “I hate men” isn’t oppression and if it hurts your feelings as a man you might need to sit with that feeling for a minute and then recognize that the widespread gendered oppression that causes women to hate men is a much bigger deal than you being upset that women are upset about it.
and then instead of scolding her for generalizing men, focus on what you can do to help dismantle the patriarchy.
I hope you don’t think I’m derailing from your overall point here but this is something I see as exemplary of how the left is becoming less and less coherent because people are more concerned with supporting a popular opinion than gathering their own opinions.
The reason I think this makes this point so well is that there is an aggressive number of people who believe all three of these things:
Women are oppressed by men.
An oppressed group can say whatever they want about the oppressing group because of how power dynamics work.
Women should never say they hate men, or dislike men, or even joke that men are rude or incompetent etc.
These three things cannot all make sense at the same time, you kinda have to pick two.
Yet it is so common for people to claim to believe the first two, then turn around and chastise women for saying something bad about men, usually with some weird woke spin on it….
Yeah this is the bulk of the bad takes I’m seeing in response to this post tbh, you’ve summed it up well. It makes my head spin honestly like… how…
It’s interesting too that I see this thinking from people I never ever see objecting to other oppressed groups complaining about their oppressors. Like people who can rightly shut down “reverse oppression” nonsense in basically every other demographic LEAP to call women bigots the moment a woman generalizes about men.
Why do men specifically who require a special defence squad?
