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This is What i deal with on a day to day basis. Tagged hate that I can’t escape. I have the person blocked, on all of my blogs, and yet they still appear on my dash, in the tags, in the searches and in the explore option on tumblr.

McFeely recently released a statement saying that Peggy and Steve were one kiss. But according to canon, he is incorrect. 

We know from CA:TFA, The Avengers, CA:WS, A:AOU, and CA;CW, Agent Carter and even Agent Carter’s Captain America radio program, Steve and Peggy were much more than a kiss. They were each others support system during the war. Howard, Jarvis, Dumdum and both Peggy and Steve all talked about how much Peggy and Steve meant to each other. Steve came to SHIELD because Peggy founded it and Peggy founded SHIELD because of Steve.

They were a relationship, regardless of it how much or how little it was consummated. They knew each other for years. Inspired each other beyond the death of the other. There was love there. She’s his “best girl.” He was her “darling.” And that is canon. 

Sharon and Steve knew each other for a couple of days. You can’t count the time she was spying on him as Kate because Sharon was pretending to be someone else. Steve and Sharon parted on bitter terms during WS, as well, when Steve sarcastically called her “neighbor’ and didn’t so much as give Sharon a backwards glance. He didn’t see her again until the events of Civil War. And that is also canon. 

And in CW, Steve and Sharon attended Peggy’s funeral, talked about Peggy, then talked about Peggy some more, talked about the accords and in a very OOC moment for Steve had one of the most awkward, chemistry-less kisses in cinematic history.  

And kinda quoting you, if her actions, her morals, the existence of Sharon Carter is offensive to you, I strongly encourage you to empower yourself to not longer care about her by ignoring her and all the other posts in the Sharon tag. I’ve seen you sharing posts in the tag and adding your opinion there. I don’t understand why a person enjoys spending so much time talking about something they don’t like. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather share and talk about things that make me happy.

Don't complain if Sharon fans come at you if you post your hate in the tag. You're not a victim here. Stop accusing Sharon fans of "overreacting" when you and all those antis spreading hate in her tag are the ones to blame. Jesus, why can we just stay in our damn lane? There are a lot of characters I dislike but I never talk about them and if I do, I don't post it in their tags. It's sheer respect, but it's obvious you'll never understand because you don't have manners.

McFeely recently released a statement saying that Peggy and Steve were one kiss. But according to canon, he is incorrect. 

We know from CA:TFA, The Avengers, CA:WS, A:AOU, and CA;CW, Agent Carter and even Agent Carter’s Captain America radio program, Steve and Peggy were much more than a kiss. They were each others support system during the war. Howard, Jarvis, Dumdum and both Peggy and Steve all talked about how much Peggy and Steve meant to each other. Steve came to SHIELD because Peggy founded it and Peggy founded SHIELD because of Steve.

They were a relationship, regardless of it how much or how little it was consummated. They knew each other for years. Inspired each other beyond the death of the other. There was love there. She’s his “best girl.” He was her “darling.” And that is canon. 

Sharon and Steve knew each other for a couple of days. You can’t count the time she was spying on him as Kate because Sharon was pretending to be someone else. Steve and Sharon parted on bitter terms during WS, as well, when Steve sarcastically called her “neighbor’ and didn’t so much as give Sharon a backwards glance. He didn’t see her again until the events of Civil War. And that is also canon. 

And in CW, Steve and Sharon attended Peggy’s funeral, talked about Peggy, then talked about Peggy some more, talked about the accords and in a very OOC moment for Steve had one of the most awkward, chemistry-less kisses in cinematic history.  

And kinda quoting you, if her actions, her morals, the existence of Sharon Carter is offensive to you, I strongly encourage you to empower yourself to not longer care about her by ignoring her and all the other posts in the Sharon tag. I've seen you sharing posts in the tag and adding your opinion there. I don't understand why a person enjoys spending so much time talking about something they don't like. I don't know about you, but I'd rather share and talk about things that make me happy.

"What exactly did she do? Nothing"

Sharon Carter did nothing but search and find Bucky in hours, when Sam and Steve had been looking for months.

She did nothing but give Steve Bucky's location so he could get to him before the government could.

She did nothing but help Steve realize that someone was using Bucky.

She did nothing but allow Steve and Sam to listen the interrogation between Zemo and Bucky, which helped Steve to find out that something was wrong.

She did nothing but give Steve and Sam their gear back so they could go to the airport fight.

She risked and lost everything she'd been working hard for. Maybe she didn't physically fight with and for Steve at the airport, but she did with these actions.

How sad it is that you can't just demand both women to be on all merch because both were vital and important in their own way, and instead you have to try and tear one down to prop the other one up.

Ok, Lets Look At the scene were Sharon kicks Bucky ( IN THE FACE😧😒)

This is sort of an addendum to this post “Emily VanCamp Doesn’t Deserve the Hate, but…..I sort of get it.”

I’d originally wrote that post in an effort to offer an observation (and one made from personal experience at that) on why I thought Emily was sort bringing some of the guff she was getting from fans onto herself. It was in no way meant to be hateful to her, although that seems to be how all of her adamant and staunch supporters interpreted it.

After having some private conversations though with some folks (Many of them anti-Sharon  and Anti-Staron folks), it’s occurred to me that I may have not taken some things into consideration when I formed my opinion. 

Firstly, to clarify, I personally attended two of the CW press panels. And I was not familiar with Vancamp before this. Never heard of her or seen her in anything. And while I don’t like Sharon, I am adult enough to know the difference between an actress and the character they play.

However, Emily (to me) came off as defensive and sort of angry at both events. She had weird chemistry with the other stars. Something seemed “off.”. To someone who didn’t know her, she came across as whiny and sort of self-righteous. 

I went back and watched the videos of those interviews online again and my opinion of her during them does stand. You can choose not to agree with me on that take of her conduct, but please hear me out before you start writing me MORE hate mail. Because with some input from other folks, it occurred to me just why she might have come across that way.

She had to know at that point that her role in the movie was small and uneven. Regardless of if you love or hate Sharon, I think everyone agrees the story telling surround her was underdeveloped at best. Emily had to have known that there was likely going to be a strong negative response to that kiss. And if she had read the comics, as she claimed, she would also have known that not everyone is enamored with Sharon from the source material either.   

And here was Marvel throwing her on a press tour to face that hate, likely without giving her the media training or support that she needed to really “handle” the questions. And with such a small part, very little to actually say about the character. 

I do maintain that she should not have been on the press tour at all. And YES, I know it was a contractual obligation which I didn’t make clear in my initial post. I know she was there because Marvel required it. Which frankly wasn’t very fair of them. Because as someone pointed out to me, they essentially threw her to the wolves, and all by herself at that, as even the cast she was touring with didn’t seem supportive of her.

The other observation I had of Emily that I wanted to mention was twice during autographing opportunities, I saw some people pull their stuff away from her when she’d worked her way down the line to them. (Listen, as a fan I get it. You want the signatures you want.) And she was a little more forceful asking those people if they were sure they didn’t want her autograph than I thought she should been. Even telling one within my ear shot, “You’ll regret it.” 

It had read, at the time, as very unprofessional to me. But again, with some reflection, I can’t imagine it wasn’t pleasant for her to have fans taking signatures from everyone else BUT her. (Even as those fans were entitled to not want her autograph.) 

The more I think about what I observed (personally) of Emily, the more it occurs to me that the poor woman was sort of facing the perfect storm of not enough experience with the media, a rabid fandom, a poorly written part and the lack of professional support. 

And while I would argue that I don’t personally think she’s been treated any worse (or asked anything more offensive) than any other MCU woman, I think she was set-up with the least amount of ‘tools” to handle the situation. 

All of that being said, I apologize to Emily, and anyone else I might have offended, if my original post came off as hateful to her. It certainly wasn’t my intention. I was simply making a personal observation. 

But with some thought and input from others, I can understand better why she might have come across poorly to a new and first time observer like myself, as besieged as she might have felt. 

But to answer the question you didn’t ask, yes, I do spent a lot of time writing about Sharon. She’s a character rooted in anti-feminism and misogyny that had troubled me since I was a girl. She represents everything wrong with women in comics and I try to offer thoughtful commentary on her in effort to open a dialogue about her, women in comics in general, and to add my voice to those that demand more than just “girls with guns” as characters offered to young girls to admire and emulate. 

I do want to highlight her problems and issues, in hopes that they will be changed. So she can become a character worth supporting. 

Anti feminism and misogyny. Sure, Jan. Yet you support MCU Peggy Carter so much, when her character’s personality in the comics was so bland they had to give her Sharon’s.

Seriously, why don’t you go write about characters you like? Or, you know, share your opinion if you want but keep it out of the Sharon Carter tag. We are so done with negative posts showing up in a tag where we are supposed to find nice stuff to reblog. We are SO done. You don’t have to like Sharon, staron or Emily but at least show some damn respect to the fans who come to the tag to find nice stuff about her and come across posts like this one.

And if you wanna go there let me remind Ms. Yet you support MCU Peggy Carter so much, when her character’s personality in the comics was so bland they had to give her Sharon’s that people hated comic Sharon too with good reason.

Oh and FYI this is coming from someone who HAS written female characters (MOST of them WOC btw) that make Sharon Carter look like a fucking charity case but that doesn’t mean I have to put up with Sharon Carter-like characters nor do I have to keep my critique to myself so maybe suck it up and get over the fact that a LOT of people don’t like your little fav. 

Although I DO agree that this should maybe stay in the anti tag, the way you addressed it was completely uncalled for especially when you’ve clearly only paid attention to a little less than half of her apology. I mean really? “Emily was forcing her autographs down people’s throats” and “she was so angry” was the only thing you got out of a page’s worth of typing? How thick are your anti glasses???? Did you not read the parts where she admitted to understanding Van Camp’s side of the issue and that it probably came from lack of training and lack of support from her co stars (mainly the men you conveniently never mention in anti Hayley rants?) and how MCU fans treat her? Plus she’s a newbie to this, yes she had her own show before (Revenge I think it was called, it may have had 2-3 seasons but I’m not sure) but this is probably the first time she’s had actual press stuff to do while being in a Cinematic Universe so she’s not as experienced as Hayley nor as big a star as Scarlett. THAT’S what OP is getting at.

You don't have to like her, seriously. I said it before. I don't know if you read the last part of my post? About keeping negative opinions out of the tag? I don't know if you've seen these girls posts but there's always something from her, and not only does she tag it as "Sharon Carter", she even goes to tag it as "Sharon Carter Defense Squad".

There are characters I don't like but I don't go talking about them 24/7, and if I talk about them, I don't tag it in the characters tag or use a tag that's supposed to be for people defending the character.

Also, I've seen so many people asking her to keep her hate out of the tag and she must think we really love seeing her full of hate posts or something. Like I said, it's courtesy. We are TIRED of people posting their hate. There are fans that even have to avoid the tag or tumblr because they can't even check their favorite's characters tag without finding a hate post purposely tagged as Sharon Carter.

Oh, and the Hayley issue? My problem with her statement was that not only did she share her opinion (which I don't mind), but she had the nerve to say that she didn't think a female co-star should have a more prominent role, but years ago she said Sharon was essential when they asked her if she would be willing to play Sharon. She can have the opinion she wants on the ship but you don't go around saying another female shouldn't have the chance to shine. That's unsupportive and rude towards Emily, when all Emily has said about Peggy, Hayley and literally the rest of the cast is that they're so nice.

Captain America: Sam Wilson #1 - #2

This is sort of an addendum to this post “Emily VanCamp Doesn’t Deserve the Hate, but…..I sort of get it.”

I’d originally wrote that post in an effort to offer an observation (and one made from personal experience at that) on why I thought Emily was sort bringing some of the guff she was getting from fans onto herself. It was in no way meant to be hateful to her, although that seems to be how all of her adamant and staunch supporters interpreted it.

After having some private conversations though with some folks (Many of them anti-Sharon  and Anti-Staron folks), it’s occurred to me that I may have not taken some things into consideration when I formed my opinion. 

Firstly, to clarify, I personally attended two of the CW press panels. And I was not familiar with Vancamp before this. Never heard of her or seen her in anything. And while I don’t like Sharon, I am adult enough to know the difference between an actress and the character they play.

However, Emily (to me) came off as defensive and sort of angry at both events. She had weird chemistry with the other stars. Something seemed “off.”. To someone who didn’t know her, she came across as whiny and sort of self-righteous. 

I went back and watched the videos of those interviews online again and my opinion of her during them does stand. You can choose not to agree with me on that take of her conduct, but please hear me out before you start writing me MORE hate mail. Because with some input from other folks, it occurred to me just why she might have come across that way.

She had to know at that point that her role in the movie was small and uneven. Regardless of if you love or hate Sharon, I think everyone agrees the story telling surround her was underdeveloped at best. Emily had to have known that there was likely going to be a strong negative response to that kiss. And if she had read the comics, as she claimed, she would also have known that not everyone is enamored with Sharon from the source material either.   

And here was Marvel throwing her on a press tour to face that hate, likely without giving her the media training or support that she needed to really “handle” the questions. And with such a small part, very little to actually say about the character. 

I do maintain that she should not have been on the press tour at all. And YES, I know it was a contractual obligation which I didn’t make clear in my initial post. I know she was there because Marvel required it. Which frankly wasn’t very fair of them. Because as someone pointed out to me, they essentially threw her to the wolves, and all by herself at that, as even the cast she was touring with didn’t seem supportive of her.

The other observation I had of Emily that I wanted to mention was twice during autographing opportunities, I saw some people pull their stuff away from her when she’d worked her way down the line to them. (Listen, as a fan I get it. You want the signatures you want.) And she was a little more forceful asking those people if they were sure they didn’t want her autograph than I thought she should been. Even telling one within my ear shot, “You’ll regret it.” 

It had read, at the time, as very unprofessional to me. But again, with some reflection, I can’t imagine it wasn’t pleasant for her to have fans taking signatures from everyone else BUT her. (Even as those fans were entitled to not want her autograph.) 

The more I think about what I observed (personally) of Emily, the more it occurs to me that the poor woman was sort of facing the perfect storm of not enough experience with the media, a rabid fandom, a poorly written part and the lack of professional support. 

And while I would argue that I don’t personally think she’s been treated any worse (or asked anything more offensive) than any other MCU woman, I think she was set-up with the least amount of ‘tools” to handle the situation. 

All of that being said, I apologize to Emily, and anyone else I might have offended, if my original post came off as hateful to her. It certainly wasn’t my intention. I was simply making a personal observation. 

But with some thought and input from others, I can understand better why she might have come across poorly to a new and first time observer like myself, as besieged as she might have felt. 

But to answer the question you didn’t ask, yes, I do spent a lot of time writing about Sharon. She’s a character rooted in anti-feminism and misogyny that had troubled me since I was a girl. She represents everything wrong with women in comics and I try to offer thoughtful commentary on her in effort to open a dialogue about her, women in comics in general, and to add my voice to those that demand more than just “girls with guns” as characters offered to young girls to admire and emulate. 

I do want to highlight her problems and issues, in hopes that they will be changed. So she can become a character worth supporting. 

Anti feminism and misogyny. Sure, Jan. Yet you support MCU Peggy Carter so much, when her character's personality in the comics was so bland they had to give her Sharon's.

Seriously, why don't you go write about characters you like? Or, you know, share your opinion if you want but keep it out of the Sharon Carter tag. We are so done with negative posts showing up in a tag where we are supposed to find nice stuff to reblog. We are SO done. You don't have to like Sharon, staron or Emily but at least show some damn respect to the fans who come to the tag to find nice stuff about her and come across posts like this one.

Hello tumblr, I strongly pondered about posting this but I’m so goddamn tired of the bullshit so here goes.

We need to talk about the one sided, unilateral, fandom shitting on Sharon Carter situation I’m seeing in a lot of places either from fans or from articles trying to ride the SteveBucky wave (a pairing I also ship and enjoy) by shitting on one of the few ladies in this movie and she truly fucking doesn’t deserve it.

A quick summary of Sharon Carter in the MCU: Was a SHIELD agent. Competent and badass enough to be assigned as Steve’s back up by Nick Fury if he needs one. Transfers to the CIA after the fall of SHIELD and is assigned as a leader of her own anti terrorist task force in Berlin, as explained in CACW. Great niece of Peggy Carter, she doesn’t explicitely tell people about it to avoid being judged on the family connection. Apparently had a good connection with her, talks fondly of her great aunt. Comes out with her secret at Peggy’s funeral, makes a great speech that already highlights how she’s not keen on the accords and hints at it while looking at Steve saying said speech (a dialogue that comes straight from the comics as well). Not afraid to kick ass, stood up to Rumlow in CATWS, and confidently had a go at brainwashed Bucky, tag-teaming with Nat. Top marks at the shooting range at the end of CATWS, it looks easy for her. Secretly provides Steve with informations about Bucky so he can find him before the task force, sneakily allow Steve and Sam to listen to the interrogation, then risk her job getting their gear back (Shield, falcon suit, etc) so they can go to Siberia. Obviously kept her distance with Steve when she was undercover as Kate but also obviously charmed by him AND SO WAS HE, as he initiated the flirting in CATWS. They are casually interested in each other, the movies never tried the “soul mate dot com angle” more like, “they’re cute, whoop”. Looks nothing like Peggy physically, but shares her loyalty and fierceness.

Now a quick bunch of points about Steve as well He has been out of the ice for 2 years in CATWS, 4 years in CACW He’s struggling to move on with loads of things but still adapting anyway. Mentions to Natasha that he has kissed people after coming out of the ice. He liked KATE. Awkward Steve was flirting and trying in CATWS. He finds out about Kate being Sharon and kinda looks like “oh, well, I see the same spirit in there, I suppose”. It was never hinted at that Steve liked Sharon because she was Peggy’s relative. It just basically added a layer of implied trust from him because she’s a Carter and there is loyalty in that. More random points: CACW hints at the fact that Sam knows Sharon, so maybe they’ve hanged out in between two Cap movies? I was intrigued at that. Some scenes are missing as I remember seeing behind the scenes of Sharon and Steve talking at a coffee shop after the funeral. Final point: STEVE. KISSES. HER. STEVE. It’s awkward as fuck and ill timed in a typical Steve fashion. Initiated by Steve. Steve. STEVE.

Here is the goddamn thing: I understand disliking Steve and Sharon together, I understand disliking the kiss or the pairing, I understand maybe not caring about Sharon, we all have different tastes and things we like in these movies. It’s cool, ship and let ship. As T’challa would say “I don’t care”. You do you etc. But.