anyways assad zaman and his ability to still be a phenomenal actor with the garbage he was given was like the one good part of this season armand i'm so sorry for what they did to you
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anyways assad zaman and his ability to still be a phenomenal actor with the garbage he was given was like the one good part of this season armand i'm so sorry for what they did to you

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I’m starting to see some quite disturbing things being pulled out of Armand’s arc and what connotations the writers might’ve put in there and I just… they absolutely did not think about it that hard. That’s been abundantly clear with every character across the board. That’s the problem.
White writers get to have the privilege of not thinking about their choices when it comes to characters of colour. It’s obviously fucking stupid and wildly unfair but it’s true. I think that butchers shop is just a butchers shop, I think Armand is just psychotic and was trying to force his ex into a conversation, I think the cult is purely just a cult. The carving an A over Louis’ heart — I still don’t know. I have no clue what to think of that, but I bet I’ve already spent more time thinking about it than they did. That’s how little I think they care.
It’s not that the implications of something much more sinister are wrong. I see them, they make sense. You’re not crazy for seeing it.
What I am saying is white writers get to be superficial with little to no consequences. They get to not think about what things any deeper than they need to. This was just them giving Armand a Frankenstein moment, as least as far as they’re concerned.
The writing of this season was so shallow, and suggesting it was doesn’t make it less racist and harmful, but I can guarantee, and the way they talk about it in interviews validates this, they did not think about it at all. And that’s disappointing. I can’t believe we’re at the point where I’m trying to discourage people from thinking deeply about this show. I miss the season 2 hiatus.
A few reminders as we get closer to the finale:
Those comments Rolin made about understanding the frustration and impatience of people who like Armand
The fact that he also said Armand gets a big chunk of episode 7
The praise for Assad as an actor — the insinuation that there are scenes where he gets to express a wider range of emotions.
The fact that we were told they are drawing from TVA, which we haven’t seen yet.
Armand playing the role of the presence Lestat and Gabrielle sense in Paris in this season . We were told certain things from the 18th century were being moved to present day and that definitely describes Armand’s role so far. This culminates in the book with us learning Armand’s backstory after he and Lestat meet. It’s brief in TVL, but again, we are drawing from TVA.
The very intentional choice by Rolin to point out that the screeners have an incomplete arc. They do not know what he’s up to. He’s said it multiple times.
IWTV finales are known for their big twists that recontextualise the entire preceding season.
Armand is going to be seen. Maybe by Daniel, maybe by Lestat, maybe by Daniel and Lestat, but if he is seen by a character, he will be seen by the audience too.
This is exciting. Don’t get weighed down by nonsense online discourse. This is such an exciting prospect. Let the people who hate him hate him. They always will. They’ve had a million chances to view him as complex and they haven’t. Let them be annoyed by his screen time, but most importantly, do not forget to enjoy yourself. Armand is finally going to have his day in the sun (not in a Memnoch way thankfully) and it’s only going to get better from there.
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The whole episode felt like it was made maliciously with the idea of "This is why Loustat is superior to Loumand". Before the torture scene, one could argue they were in similar levels, especially because they didn't dispute Lestat's willing participation in the trial plus his not saving Claudia regardless. The drop and San Francisco clearly mirrored each other as well. But after this, it feels that they made Armand inflict this level of violence on Louis, which is not canon in the books (he only feels this level of vitriol for Lestat), to be like "see? Armand is so much worse to Louis than Lestat who if you think about it loves him the way he should be loved , here's Louis' beloved dead brother to tell you so, who btw is in heaven so clearly a good person with good judgment!". Nevermind that they accidentally implied Lestat killed him by having him there like morons.
Also fuck Lesmand now, that relationship barely matters, and what should have been their dynamic we're gonna give to Loumand who already had a interesting dynamic and didn't need more big events, let alone violent ones. Let's also make Armand seem uniquely violent towards his non-white partner and make him do nothing to his white ex who he was supposedly obsessed with and resentful as hell.
I do genuinely think something shifted this season massively from its original course. The strange non ending, the gag episode on the writers board was ep 9, the documentary being pointless and background, PR packages they sent way back that hinted at stuff nowhere to be found, actors saying they're getting scripts mid production, the V.O. being written in late because they couldn't figure a way without it. I kind of wonder if they felt cornered into the doc angle but only realized how much expense and complexity that truly adds once they started production. Instead of scrapping it altogether, they reworked and smooshed scenes around to use the recordings as the narrator without losing Daniel's A plot entirely.
It could've worked to have the present day framing device still be an interview, post-akasha because Lestat was spiraling and distracted as a Rockstar, and had no reason to be trust Daniel at the point while they were trying the doc. But the team seemed so determined to get away from the interview structure and yet. How is one old guy sitting in a room talking into a microphone better than 2-3?
I do mourn the documentary format, the whole marketing was based on it and we barely saw it! I do wonder how much of the format changed due to budget or some other form of external problem. But also it's clear they had a vision, a whacky ambitious one and idk that they pulled it off and I think some of the storytelling was kinda sacrificed to serve that vision and as a creative person myself I respect them for following their hearts but as an audience memember is kinda sad to think of what could have been and not that fun to experience the season as much as the first two.

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I hope we get some clarification on how much we're supposed to sympathize with Armand during the torture scene, and how tender and earned we're supposed to find Louis' compassion.
If the answer is that we should find it tender and sympathetic, the choice of putting in the middle of a torture scene is wild and quite detrimental of that goal. Also is this a compensation/retcon for making Dreamstat laugh at Armand during the Louvre scene and making Louis insult Armamd with his abuse in San Francisco to show us that Louis actually did care deep down??
If the answer is that we shouldn't sympathize with Armand, I also find it a wild choice to put it in a torture scene given that what he went through should be something to sympathize with in most scenarios. And if they did so to show that we shouldn't sympathize with him because no matter what he went through he does heinous stuff like in the scene at the moment, imo it's quite distasteful and cruel to arrange that scenario so we wouldn't sympathize with him for it. Do the writers hate that so many people believe his pain is so profound and made through such heinous means that he is quite likeable and sympathetic no matter what he does? Are they tasting our sympathy? If so, that's quite callous of them.
Anyways either choice idk that this was planned with the care it deserved.
Wonder if all the 8 symbolism and foreshadowing is there not because there's a secret 8th episode but because there was supposed to be an 8th episode but got cut and they couldn't remove all of that from the scripts anymore because it was too late into production and filming already
If the torture scene had been between Lestat and Armand instead of Louis and Armand, we could have used that time to have Lestat flip-flop between his dreamscape and the horror show with Armand. Literally going from heaven, purgatory and hell and vice versa constantly plus paying off all the Lesmand shit that they were supposedly building up but I guess not, plus exploring a bit of their past that we didn't get to see and not making their relationship completely meaningless.
gabriella butchered and made into a cartoonish, two dimensional villain with no depth or complexity whatsoever. louis being humiliated time and time again, forced to apologise to his abusers and referred to as a dozen different racial slurs. armand acting out of character, carrying out plot points that actively contradict his s2 characterisation. daniel having no role whatsoever other than being insufferable and stupid and insulting at least one minority per episode. claudia revealed to be suffering in hell, used as a mouthpiece for the writers to spew their hatred for louis, her presence needed to bring louis and lestat together back again. the band members taking loads of screen times but having paper thin characterisation and being absolutely unforgettable. lestat himself, the titular character, reduced to a shallow version of himself, where he actually didn’t do anything but was forced to by someone else. his (beautiful, heartbreaking, so interesting!) backstory resolved in quick two minutes long scenes with no emotional depth.
not one character given the depth and exploration they needed. how can you fuck it up so badly? who is this season even for?
Armand said Louis wouldn't remember what happened so how did Lestat find out what went down?? Is he making everything up? How much can we trust anything? I need this season 3 unreliable narrator thing explained asap

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How likely do you guys think it is that at some point down the line, could be season 4, could be season 5, whenever the failures recording ends, whatever character is listening might be like "half this shit didn't happen like that?? wtf" and never elaborate on what happened or not
Raglan taunting Daniel with the "Big Boss" dig was ??? Since when do you have beef with Daniel, brother? What was his plan there? I guess we'll find out in a thousand years, or never.
tvl fumbling might be a blessing in disguise so my hyperfixation on the show diminishes and i can focus on other stuff
my main hot take that has come from tvl is, really, that people who don't understand polyamory AND queerness should not be writing about vampires.
Btw in the same way I think Claudia was lying about truly hating Louis, I think Armand was lying about not having loved him for real. I think both the exaggerated stuff and the cruel things were said because they were mad and hurt.

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Can we talk about how they clearly wanted to reheat the 2x05 nachos with the torture scene? Louis in pain and at the mercy of Armand, who's going full gremlin and losing it while actually showcasing some real trauma that he cannot process so he lashes out. A third innocent party is dragged into it and Louis has to save them while suffering and consoling Armand, which makes him calm down. It's like when Home Alone 2 basically copied the whole plot of Home Alone but put it in New York to try to make it feel new. Feels like the writers were mad that that episode didn't register as violent as they wanted it to be the first time and decided to make it even more graphic so people would finally see how bad Armand was for Louis. Or maybe they themselves got desensitized to the violence the characters can inflict on each other and thought Louis' understanding of Armand would come off as sweeter than it did, given that people were able to find some tenderness in 2x05, so they thought they could pull it off again even if they made it more violent, cruel and graphic.