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Could you please share what your non-negotiables for the season were? I'm thinking about mine and I'm not sure but I mostly feel let down.
It basically amounted to β
1. Proper development for Lestat and Louis. I got that.
2. Lestat and Claudia. I got that to an extent. It's still hidden between-the-lines, but it's also clear that he did love her and didn't actively want her dead in Paris, because his behavior towards other characters would make zero sense unless Lestat was coerced under duress into participating.
3. Lestat and Magnus. If they dared depict his turning as anything other than rape, I would've dropped the show.
4. Lestat's true character and the truth of his arc on full display. I got that.
5. I wanted it made clear that the tale from S1 of big bad Lestat was, in fact, a tale. I got that.
Going into this season, the bar started in hell. I significantly managed my expectations. The first six episodes? Masterpiece. I had a bloody ball! They did the damn thing! The finale? They wrecked the plane, but managed to get it soaring back into the air in the last 10-12 minutes.
Just wanted to say thank you for standing up for Louis. You're probably the most influential Lestat fan in fandom & most big Lestat fans who loved the finale don't seem to care what was done to Louis. I don't always agree with your takes, but thank you for treating Louis with the same love & care as Lestat. Have a good night, V.
Always. Louis is my baby the same as Lestat. I want him treated properly, too. β₯οΈ
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i genuinely donβt want anything said here to be taken as me trying to start a fight or anything cause iβm not and iβve also now seen the episode (someone recorded it and it was briefly posted to twitter) iβm kinda shocked but your hyperbolic negativity lack of objectivity when it comes to not having all the answers by the end like ya it built up like all shows do and left us with more questions than answers which i felt like for part one of two of a book of this size (it canβt be compared to seasons one and two as that book is A LOT more condescended and easier to adapt because of that) was actually done well this seasonβs narrative was ultimately lestat overcoming his sexual trauma mainly by his mother which it did and did pretty perfectly without any overly dramatized corny climax idk this ending felt very similar to me of that of avengers infinity war, no real major answers but questions of whatβs coming so im not sure where all these weird complaints are coming from as if cliffhangers werenβt massively expected and even warned for by those involved itβs like complaining about something we literally knew was coming
That's not the issue. I'm not pissed because I didn't get answers.
Initial thoughts for The Vampire Lestat 1x07 (Track 7) β SPOILERS INCLUDED!
Track 7: The Failures
As Lestat Says in Episode 3: "Well that was shit."
So y'all know I always give my brutally honest opinions, and I have to say I didn't love this episode. It was....a letdown, to say the least. The season overall? Bloody fantastic. I'm pretending Episode 6 was the season finale. This episode? Giant misstep, imo.
First of all β The long table. I knew this would be a dream sequence of Lestat confronting his "failures" (not actual failures but shit he blames himself for that isn't his fault at all). It's every person who has made an impact on his life telling him what *HE* thinks they think of him. Okay, and? We've known this the entire season. We've known of Lestat's canon self-blame and self-hatred. We've spent six episodes watching Lestat being used and abused and his agency and bodily autonomy stolen from him again and again. Yet now we need an entire episode of Lestat mentally berating himself over this? *sighs* Total waste of time. I found myself checking the timestamps, because I just wanted to get on with it, and that didn't happen with any of the previous episodes. The caveat with this dream sequence? They can retcon whatever they want from it at anytime by simply saying "it was just in Lestat's mind." Again, okay, and? Smh. Whatever, Rolin.
Secondly β As I discussed here, we spent the entire season building. We've been dancing around key elements from The Vampire Lestat and hinting at things via other characters, yet never from Lestat himself. I said I was quite annoyed with that framing, but I'm more IRATE about it NOW given what they've seemingly done with the dynamic they were allegedly building β Lesmand.
Seriously. What was the point of any of this now?
And yes, I am considering Rolin's quote about this season being "part one of part two" and yes, I am aware they could come back to this in S4, but honestly? I doubt it for the simple fact of what they've seemingly done with Armand's canon obsession, which brings me to my next point.
Third β Louis and Armand.
WHAT IN THE ABSOLUTE FUCK WAS THAT?!?!?! π€¬π€¬π€¬
The majority of this episode was spent in Armand's little butcher shop with Louis' head on a pike while Armand fucking tortured him for an apology because *checks notes* Louis was "mean" to wittle baby Armand for killing his daughter. Seriously. That's it. That's what they've done here. They've made Armand obsessed with Louis, whine to Louis about Louis never loving him, and made Louis have to "acknowledge" Armand's backstory and "understand" him.
Are you kidding me?
Armand tortured Louis in S2. Armand never loved Louis as he admits in this episode. Armand wanted Louis dead in Paris. Armand deliberately fucked with Louis' head. Armand brainwashed him. Erased his memories. Implanted new memories. Gaslit him. Stalked him. Killed Claudia. Lied to him about his involvement in her death. Lied to him about Lestat's involvement in her death. Lied to him about Lestat saving him. Isolated him in Dubai. Cruelly tortured him in San Francisco after his suicide attempt. Deliberately delayed care to his burns after his suicide attempt. Dangled Lestat in his face after his suicide attempt. Orchestrated the Regina spiral just to fuck with his head like he did with the planted Stein photos. Bugged Lestat's apartment to spy on them. Took Regina hostage after mind-controlling her. Killed Larry. Mind-controlled Alex. Beheaded Lestat. Beheaded Louis.
All of this for....*checks notes* an apology from Louis. Meanwhile, Louis doesn't owe Armand anything!
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'm watching Louis being tortured at Armand's hands AGAIN just because Armand went off the rails over Louis never loving him?!
You know who that dynamic ^^ actually belongs to? Lesmand.
Fourth β Lesmand. If they would've switched this scene to Armand torturing Lestat for never loving him and holding Louis' fate over his head? It would've made perfect sense. You know, any normal person watching this season and knowing the books would expect that to be the case, you know? Canon Lesmand.
Here? They've repurposed it and transferred it to Loumand. For no reason. This makes zero narrative sense. I'm sitting here watching Louis dying while being spitefully tortured because he didn't love the psycho who killed his daughter.
On top of that? Louis has to acknowledge Armand's backstory and "understand" him before Armand backs down. Know who that was in the books? Lestat.
Armand is obsessed with Lestat. Armand is constantly whining to Lestat about "why won't you love me?!" After Armand rapes him, he tells Lestat his backstory and yes, Lestat sympathizes with him and understands him. It's a key part of their dynamic. Yet here in the show, they've inexplicably given it to Louis for no reason, because Armand outright says in the scene that he never loved Louis and wanted him to suffer and wanted him dead in Paris simply because Louis always loved Lestat instead of him. Yes, we knew this in S2. Why are we back here again watching torture porn against Louis for an apology that means nothing other than satisfying Armand's vendetta against Louis "wronging" him? After everything Armand fucking did to Louis?
I really cannot begin to express how utterly disgusted I am with this choice. As I said here, this aspect is WORSE than S1E5. At least that choice made narrative sense. This?! It's the most bizarre writing choice I've ever encountered, and I cannot wait for the interviews in which they attempt to explain away this crock of shit.
LEAVE. LOUIS. ALONE.
He does not owe fuckass Armand anything!
Lastly β The positives!
The long table dream sequence shifted when Lestat replaced Magnus with Gabriella at the head of the table. It slowly morphed into Lestat realizing that Gabriella was the key monster in his life. She was the reason he became what he did....for better or worse. His changed facial expression (from what we initially saw in Episode 2) when it flashed back to the aftermath of the wolves said everything. That was not the first time she'd done that to him and already back then, we could see he was repulsed by her touch. Again, he had this realization back in Episode 3. Why are we still rehashing this? But anyways, I do digress, because it lead to Lestat finally pushing back against her. He finally stands up to her and calls her out for what she is β "you fucking monster!" I cheered. However, that shift in Lestat's stance where she was concerned was always set to happen because of Louis. Episode 6 established that bond between Louis and Lestat. It established that Louis is the one who is going to be the safe haven for Lestat. It established that Lestat was always going to choose Louis over Gabriella. He asked Louis in the bar if it mattered to him, Louis' answer is what truly dictates Lestat's response to her in Episode 7. If it matters to Louis, Gabriella will be packing her bags. There is no world in which Louis' feelings will not take priority for Lestat. The dream sequence finds Lestat accepting himself, flipping his "failures" back to his abusers in acknowledgement of what they did to him, and reaching the point in which he now knows that "failure" meant he at least tried. He did love. He did what he could with the shit bag he was handed, and that brings me to the saving grace of this episode.
LOUSTAT.
Lestat's point of reference for reality in his lucid dream state is Louis.
"Could be nice. Could be. Hands touch."
This is what he periodically repeats to himself. It's as if he's clinging to that promise of a life with Louis as his anchor to actual life, because Lestat is actively dying in this moment. He's fading.
Paul. π₯Ήβ₯οΈ
Truly, one of the best moments of the entire season. Maybe of the entire series. In an otherwise horrendous episode, this stunning moment will carry me into the cold, dark abyss of the hiatus. (And another scene, which I'm coming to.)
Lestat is at the point of death. The heavens open for him, which is likely them finally getting his head out of that damn bowling bag, and he sees the silver cords. (Another PL seed!) He's dying, yet what is the one thing on his mind in this moment at the threshold of the afterlife β Louis. The implication being his love for Louis is what grants his place in Heaven.
"He has a hard time saying it. Got that from our daddy. It doesn't mean he doesn't. It's just his way. Thank you for loving him. For loving him the way he needs to be loved."
The only thing Lestat doesn't feel he's failed at? Louis. Loving Louis. The only reason Louis survived the beheading is because of Lestat's blood.
"I have the blood of Akasha."
"No, it ain't the blood. It's what you do with the blood."
Yeah. Takes on an entirely different meaning now, doesn't it? Because Lestat's "monstrous" blood saved Louis' life. The thing Lestat most loathes about himself just saved the love of his life.
I just β
And that brings me back to Louis.
"Love of my life was him. Heard the witch. Must've heard the bench. Me. Him. Then. Even now. Still thinking about him."
"LOVE OF MY LIFE WAS HIM." πππ
"OR MAYBE IT WAS HIM."
Jaw on the floor. He actually fucking said it! You could hear my shrieks and sobs all the way to their home in New Orleans! I mean, we knew this, but hearing Louis admit it out loud?! Oh, my heart! Louis, also on the threshold of death, is only thinking of Lestat. Louis is refusing to back down from his love for Lestat. Not even to save his own life or Regina's life does he ever deny his love for Lestat. This is perfection. Absolute perfection. Louis loves him! Louis would die without Lestat!
It was never Claudia. It was never Armand. It was never Gabriella. It was never Antoinette. It was always them. Louis and Lestat. Lestat and Louis. ALWAYS. π₯Ήβ₯οΈ
As soon as Lestat wakes and is able to come to himself, his concern? Louis.
"Where's Louis?!"
The way he RUNS to Louis. The way we can literally see the relief washing over him.
The way they're looking at each other says everything. The gentle way they touch each other's neck scars. The profound emotions laden beneath this tender exchange. Seriously don't even talk to me right now. This + Paul assuring Lestat of Louis' love saved this. I'm telling y'all. Without this Loustat thread throughout the entire episode? Geez. I shudder to think. They are the beating heart. The touchstone. The spine holding this entire organism together.
And then this β
The dream sequence wasn't the catalyst for this. Louis was the catalyst. Lestat standing up to her. Lestat having Louis as his rock. Louis finally giving him the courage. The knowledge that Lestat's love for Louis is where his true power lies. His blood saved Louis. He's not a failure. He deserves better than the shit Gabriella has subjected him to. The way his expression instantly darkens when Gabriella starts harping on him while he's looking at the damage done to Louis.
"This is you, right? Right? This is your idea!"
"You go on stage! You get torn apart!"
I don't know how they'll get him on the stage, but the fact remains the mayhem and carnage that ensues will, ultimately, be because of Gabriella. Lestat is blaming himself for it in the aftermath while recording The Failures, but the driving force behind it was always Gabriella. Remember when I said I don't predict she has any fans after this season? Well, here we are again. Arriving at that conclusion. I loathe her.
LEAVE. LESTAT. ALONE.
Let him run away with Louis to their trailer in Utah and Nevada. Everyone else can fuck right off!
A few other things β
Lestat calling Raglan "a friend" in the recordings. Well, Raglan did save their lives. I bet that is how the body thievery will be explained.
Lestat saying that Louis told him about what Armand did to him in the aftermath of Akasha. So that means that's when the canon love confession to Lestat will happen, because Lestat knows in the recordings what Louis said to Armand about the love of his life.
The witches' place being framed as Gabriella trying to get Lestat to flee Auvergne at, *checks notes* age NINE. I'm sorry but what? Either she wants to be him and use his "organ" or she wants him to be free? Pick a lane, Rolin.
I'm glad Regina survived. The last thing we needed was her death at Armand's hands so the writers could spend another season regressing Louis back into the grief spiral after placing him at his PL point of development exactly as they've done yet again at the end of S3.
Daniel's fate is left unknown. I don't care. That asshole threw the world's biggest toddler tantrum and beheaded Lestat just because he was pissed at Lestat for not allowing him to exploit Nicki.
Armand's whereabouts are left unknown. In the words of Blanche Devereaux, "Eat dirt and die, trash."

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i will watch the episode on the official release day but i want to ask you... what do you think - is lestat alright in the final episode? i mean, is this chapter of his character's journey brought to a logical conclusion? how do you feel about it?
i just want to... you know... have a hope because everyone is so doom posting that i feel kinda hysterical already π€£π€£π€£
i hope you have a nice day and a good mood π«Ά
I don't know how much hope I can offer (π ), but....
Are you as disappointed in the finale as many people who have liked the season so far seem to be? I am trying to gauge where I should set my expectations for Sunday
Ultimately, yes.
There were three scenes that did the heavy-lifting and "saved" the episode for me, but otherwise?
https://www.tumblr.com/virginiaisforvampires/822352113113890816/they-were-being-so-careful-about-spoilers-and
Can you say if theyβre good or bad thoughts?π₯Ί
Both.
Out of curiosity: did the new episode violate any of your non-negotiables? (It shouldn't be a spoiler because we don't know what all your non-negotiables are but ignore if you think it would give spoilers away, I'm just curious and trying to set expectations and we have similar priorities I think)
No.
can you give us your vaguest thoughts on the episode
The Loustat of it all? OH. MY. GOD.
I FLAILED!
Lestat's arc? I fucking cheered at the (almost) end!
Louis' arc? Oh geez. I have A LOT to say. (Don't take this bad! Louis is good!)
But a certain other character? *sighs*
We'll talk.

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They were being so careful about spoilers and leaks and then Apple TV's gone and released the entire episode three days early. I need everyone who bought it in the 20 or so minutes it was up to forget that ever happened, share no links, and shut up about spoilers until Saturday at the earliest. I want the episode to have good viewership please, we NEED season 4
I bought it. I watched it. I have thoughts.
I'll share them later once the episode truly releases. π«¨
What do you think the chances are of us getting some big reveals about Lestat and Armandβs history next episode? Iβm trying to taper my expectations accordingly
The ep description seems to imply the psychologically torturous Armand will be reserved for Louis while Lestat is stuck inside his own head. While thereβs obviously a lot of room for intersection bc whatever is happening with Louis will almost certainly have to do with Lestat, I donβt want to go into the finale with massive expectations in that regard if itβs something they donβt actually plan on addressing (I know you donβt know anything for certain, I guess Iβm just curious as to what your expectations may be and if you have any theories there)
Well here's the thing.
We've spent the entire season dancing around this relationship, yet it's a key dynamic in the books. I've talked about being surprised that so many people took issue with the framing of Lestat and Armand as a consensual relationship, but my surprise was simply rooted in people also loving to take Armand's word at face value. π So I guess you could say I am pleasantly surprised that people are clocking why making them consensual "exes" is an issue. (This wasn't on my non-negotiables list and therefore, I'm meh either way, but I am mightily annoyed with how the show is depicting it as everyone else speaking about the dynamic instead of hearing from Lestat himself about it, but I digress.)
Just for a quick rundown: We've had, what, three actual Lestat/Armand interactions this entire season?
The flashbacks with Nicki and Gabriella
The disturbing shower scene
Big Boss
We've had Nicki/DreamNicki insinuating that Lestat was "cheating" with Armand, which is directly contradicted by Lestat's actual behavior where Nicki is concerned.
We've had Gabriella insinuating Lestat and Armand were consensually fucking, which is a side-eye worthy assessment given she's spent the entire season molesting Lestat and has no concept of consent.
We've had Louis calling Armand Lestat's "ex."
We've had Armand referring to Lestat "sharing his body and blood" while Lestat said "Us? What is us?" and exhaustingly rebuffed his declaration of love.
And yet Lestat hasn't truly directly addressed anything where Armand is concerned (other than the "Us? What is us?" comment). He's directly addressed everything else....mostly. (I'll come to this.) But Lestat, contrary to popular belief, does not have an issue with admitting his faults. In fact, not only does he admit his sins, but he actively takes things upon himself that aren't his fault at all. We really aren't seeing that with the Armand factor. No, we're seeing Lestat evade and hint (the Big Boss lyrics and performance) and what does Lestat evade? His trauma. The abuse inflicted upon him by others.
And that brings me back to the things that have been mostly addressed, because something else that's being danced around? The trial.
We've had Gabriella imply that Lestat killed Claudia. We've had Louis imply that Lestat killed Claudia. We've had Claudia imply that Lestat killed her.
Meanwhile, Lestat himself hasn't actually addressed this other than the Big Boss lyrics, which directly contradict Lestat being a willing participant in her death. We also have Lestat hating Sam for his role in Paris, and we have Lestat immediately shutting down Gabriella's flippant talk about Claudia.
Who else was involved in the trial? Armand.
Consider the hints laid out in S2 of Lestat not being a willing participant in the trial. Consider the book canon of Lestat not being a willing participant. Consider the book canon of the trial being Armand's revenge against Lestat for rejecting his romantic advances.
So needless to say....I would be surprised if none of this is addressed in the finale and especially given the episode is rumored to be heavy on Armand and given what Armand did to Lestat (and Louis) at the end of Episode 6 and given the synopsis says Armand is "testing Louis to his limits", which I speculate means Armand is using Louis' life and wellbeing as the emotional leverage against Lestat (just like he did with both the trial and the call) to make Lestat do what he wants. (Whatever that may be.)
I don't see how you spend an entire season seemingly building up to something and then you just....don't address it.
This seeming "showdown" between Lestat and Armand has been a long time coming, imo, and it's something that Sam has hinted is coming by saying Lestat will have to "deal with Armand."
Sorry if you've talked about this, but I must have missed it. When was it said that Louis was searching for descendants of lestat? I imagine to have some of the blood
Note the look that Lestat gives Louis after it's stated she is a descendent of the de Lioncourt bloodline and the look that Louis gives him back.
It's the same notion as Louis arranging for Lestat's band to appear at Dracula's Daughter, because Louis owns this restaurant, too.
So do you think they're mainly going to use Louis as a Bargaining tool against lestat in Episode 7?
I mean, Armand knows the way to truly get at Lestat is via Louis.
Did we forget the call?
Hi! I keep thinking about the photo of Jacob Sam and Sheila from press week: we haven't seen that interview yet. I'm increasingly convinced it will end with Lestat being kidnapped and Louis being there. And given how much the show has long liked to draw parallels, I think they could draw a Magnus/Akasha parallel. Lestat being kidnapped while sleeping next to Nicolas, Lestat being kidnapped while sleeping next to Louis (in a bed, in a coffin?). Louis witnessing it would be much more heartbreaking.
Hmmm.
I tend to agree, but also no, you know? π
That ending is what everyone is predicting, and Rolin did say they "wrote themselves into a corner" with the finale, but Rolin also loves trolling and hyperbole, and this is all mapped out for seasons to come. So I would say Rolin knows exactly how they're "getting out of it" in S4.
But yeah, that ending is too predictable, imo. Too easy. Would I be opposed to it? No, but I just think they're gonna throw us a massive curveball.

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Can't wait for people who hate The Vampire Lestat to maybe one day stop watching um, The Vampire Lestat, because while innocently scrolling the tag or browsing other socials, I've had to see multiple posts about how homophobic this season is and I'm like um. Do you mean the show where Lestat sings "I am a meteor / colliding / writing your name in dust as I fall" to a teary-eyed Louis while they stare into each other's eyes???? Or the show where Daniel shoves Armand against a wall and Armand starts talking about pseudo-stalking Daniel for most of his life??? Or the one where Lestat had sex in an elevator with a woman, a nonbinary person, and a man all at once?? Or the one where we see Nicki asking Lestat " are you going to teach me how to be a man, Lestat de Valois?" and then it cuts to them having sex in a candlelit flat? Ghost Claudia is searching desperately for her dead wife in some kind of purgatory??? That show?????
If anything, I've noted Lestat in his own POV, without Louis' own early shame about his sexuality muddling the view of himself and Lestat both, behaving in an even more queer way than before? His gender nonconformity, the way he speaks, his just general behavior. All of it is beating in the veins of the season. But whatever! People on the internet didn't get a sex scene exactly how they wanted it, or something, so that means it's not queer.
Rolin needs to let them write the Loustat episodes.
Jacob's suggestion was they spend the entire episode sitting on a bench talking, they obviously didn't do that
....would you care if the episode was just them talking on the bench?
Imagine an entire episode of this. You'd be opposed to that?