shut up!

Gaz tends to get treated like a satellite character in the actual show whose only purpose is to be someone for Dib to deliver exposition to or give him a hard time in most episodes. But ZADR stories tend to do that a lot as well, with her purpose only being to be someone Zim and Dib can talk to when they can't talk to each other, and maybe dispensing some kind of sharp insight that helps them move their stories along, while not having an arc of her own.

Spamtenna fic authors im begging you; stop making spamton apologize for committing the unforgivable crimes of [checks notes] ...being homeless, disabled, mentally ill, and trapped in a faustian bargain by some higher power that systematically stripped him of his body autonomy and agency!!! Like??? HUH??

I feel you. I haven't been looking for new fanfics/fanarts/animations for a while now because it really bothers me how OOC it is or don't point out the actual characters flaws they have. Everyone is free to write whatever they want, but it's not being enjoyable for me anymore, so I just leave and I'm not looking for it anymore for a while

Sometimes people unironically write something like "[Trash Heap] I'm sorry I had a panic attack and that you chose the phone over me, I'm so sorry I wasn't your first choice, sorry you didn't even show any care about how I was feeling. It's my fault that you were trying to manipulate me with a sweet talk. I'm sorry you didn't even give me a chance to explain myself and just assumed the worst of me. You're a such reliable narrator, you've never mistreated anyone, especially those you consider family, and none of your employees have any complaints about you. You're clearly the one who got hurt the most in the entire relationship, I know I was a bit sad and hurt and without any food and house for years, my body changed, it became a puppet and glitches, something so grotesque that you saw me as a pest and a threat to our little girl (Pipis), thinking that nobody cared about me for 10 years living in a garbage can, where everyone denies my existence... But you were the one more hurt in all this, the one who suffered the most, always with someone to be a shoulder to cry on, some drinks to get drunk and cry, ice cream and fast food still within its expiration date to drown your sorrows, and hot water to shower with. You're the one who got the worst of our relationship. I should have taught you how to use email. It doesn't matter if I was going to start teaching you everything I knew but I was stopped by someone who completely controls me and punished me severely because I tried to share my secret with you. It doesn't matter if I no longer have any agency or control over my life, that's no excuse. I'm sure if you knew how to use email, you could save Asgore and Toriel's marriage, cure Kris's depression, and solve the problem of the reindeer girl's disappearance. I am responsible for everything that went wrong in your life. It's my fault you push everyone away. Everything that happened to me is purely my fault too. There are never victims, and life is never unfair. It was my fault for trying to be vulnerable and trust someone and being betrayed."

This is basically Tenna's wet dream and would only fuel all of his flaws, thinking that he is really always the victim in every situation and has never done anything wrong.

Spamton apologizing for being a liar and a criminal to Tenna is pretty funny to me, because he is canonically also a liar and a criminal! 😭💀

When sometimes they don't even write Tenna apologizing for the least thing that was calling Spamton a thing, creature and rat. Much less apologize to Spamton for calling him a freak who ripped him off and how he wishes they never brought that laptop home, because yeah Spamton heard all of that.

Even funny fan art sometimes bothers me now because it's 80% of time always Spamton being the literally the punching bag or the punchline, almost never the other way around. I'm feeling a pattern and it's very unfair. As if Tenna hadn't also done several wrong things that Spamton also did, as if he isn't canonically also a comic relief and when he comically falls is willing to be humiliated because someone likes him.

And Spamton has canon flaws, he never warned Tenna about the prophecy when he had the chance! Why not talk about the canon flaws? I know he probably couldn't say much before because he tried and got punished, but I don't know, I still think he could have tried in chapter 3. Spamton Ralsei and Kris just stared at Tenna and knew he was going to die and nobody did anything lmao I love my worsties <3

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I'm genuinely confused about this cutscene, could you please send me images of the dialogue or maybe a video with the timestamps? The only dialogue I remember about the quitting was this one in ch3, which implies that they still have a contract with Tenna

If the contracts really ended and the three fake Mikes wanted to come back, it's really weird. I think at first they pretended to be Mikes because of the abusive workplace, but then now in the present it seems to have evolved into something else that I don't even know how to properly explain what it is, it seems like they just like to roleplay?? Since they like to pretend to be Mike without Tenna even being around???

Although it's weird, I wouldn't find it so wrong for them to still want to work for Tenna (the actual job, not the deception/fake Mike stuff), since there are several characters working and selling products in Castle Town, so I think they still need money. There are other employees working on Tenna's minigames as well, so since it's not just the fake Mikes, maybe they all were hoping that after Susie, Tenna would treat his employees better? Giving him a second chance, maybe? They all helped Fun Gang when he was near death after Knight's attack in the pacifist route.

After some reflection, I think it was a good thing that the employees gave Tenna a second chance and worked with him again, not just the fake Mikes (the problem now is that it's evolved into something else, these 3 liking to roleplay even a guy they don't know without Tenna even being present, I love these freaking weirdos). And the only employee Tenna still respects is Mike, you could see the difference in treatment between the fake Mike and the "dice boy".

I would never go back to work with my abusive boss, but hey, isn't Deltarune about second chances and forgiving? We're friends with everyone who almost killed us, the people from Cyber ​​World still hang out with Queen in ch3. That to me is forgiveness.

Plus, this could also be good for Kris, since they already feel like they are being left behind, and are very scared of Noelle and Susie's relationship obscuring theirs and Susie's friendship, so maybe seeing that Ralsei is going through something similar would make them feel less alone.

This is the sprite Tenna makes when he's threatening or extremely upset. The music stopped when he made this sprite, and then sped up; this happens during tense moments. The whole scene is tense. Abuse isn't just about physical violence. This is workplace abuse.

And the manchild thing, we also have this dialogue later. I'm not going to criticize Tenna wanting an antenna massage because I assume the real Mike did it without being forced by the contract so that's okay, but Tenna specifically wanting one of the Mikes for a massage and being disappointed that it's not the specific Mike he wanted (come on, he clearly knows it's not the real Mike, the "Now bring him ou or I'm tightening your contract" as if Green Pippins had any control over that... Tenna knows much more than people give him credit for, he knows it was Spamton and humiliates him, he knows it was Rouxls and talks about his ass and that he's stupid).

But then he asks him to climb him, instead of perhaps shrinking or sitting down to a safe height? That's very spoiled.

To portray Green Pippins as never caring about Tenna's feelings is dishonest, because we see his sprite showing concern for Tenna. Toby Fox chose to have him remove the head costume just so we could see his worried expression. This means something.

People vilify Green Pippins just because he's opposing Tenna and stated the obvious: that Tenna treats everyone who works with him like trash. We also have Cowboy Mike and Pluey enjoying being Mikes, and it's almost never mentioned how much they both also enjoy deceiving Tenna and "abusing their position of power". And so far, Green Pippins has only said that he wouldn't massage Tenna until he stopped treating everyone like trash, that's not what abuse of power really is.

Just as Tenna is complex, Green Pippins' situation is also complex. It was proven throughout ch3 and the dialogues of the fake Mikes in ch4 and ch5 that Tenna doesn't respect his employees, the only person he treats well is Mike. He wasn't going to listen to a "dice boy" (this was extremely classist and meant to belittle and humiliate, nobody should refer to their employees that way). Green Pippins also didn't want to pretend to be Mike for the lolz, he started pretending to be Mike because he was tired of Tenna taking out his personal problems on his employees (workplace abuse).

But it's quite interesting to reflect on the fact that the only one who stands up to an abusive boss is the one who receives the most backlash and is vilified, while we have two other characters doing the same thing and openly enjoying it more than him.

Green Pippins spends far more time insulting Cowboy Mike than anything else. And Green Pippins mistreating other characters doesn't negate the fact that Tenna mistreats them too. Two people can be wrong at the same time.

I even saw people saying things like "oh but Green Pippins can just leave!", besides being extremely victim blaming, that wouldn't change anything for Tenna because he would still be an abusive boss who wouldn't reflect on his actions. Green Pippins isn't lying when he says Tenna treats all his employees like trash.