shut up!

This is the sprite Tenna makes when he's threatening or extremely upset. The music stopped when he made this sprite, and then sped up; this happens during tense moments. The whole scene is tense. Abuse isn't just about physical violence. This is workplace abuse.

And the manchild thing, we also have this dialogue later. I'm not going to criticize Tenna wanting an antenna massage because I assume the real Mike did it without being forced by the contract so that's okay, but Tenna specifically wanting one of the Mikes for a massage and being disappointed that it's not the specific Mike he wanted (come on, he clearly knows it's not the real Mike, the "Now bring him ou or I'm tightening your contract" as if Green Pippins had any control over that... Tenna knows much more than people give him credit for, he knows it was Spamton and humiliates him, he knows it was Rouxls and talks about his ass and that he's stupid).

But then he asks him to climb him, instead of perhaps shrinking or sitting down to a safe height? That's very spoiled.

To portray Green Pippins as never caring about Tenna's feelings is dishonest, because we see his sprite showing concern for Tenna. Toby Fox chose to have him remove the head costume just so we could see his worried expression. This means something.

People vilify Green Pippins just because he's opposing Tenna and stated the obvious: that Tenna treats everyone who works with him like trash. We also have Cowboy Mike and Pluey enjoying being Mikes, and it's almost never mentioned how much they both also enjoy deceiving Tenna and "abusing their position of power". And so far, Green Pippins has only said that he wouldn't massage Tenna until he stopped treating everyone like trash, that's not what abuse of power really is.

Just as Tenna is complex, Green Pippins' situation is also complex. It was proven throughout ch3 and the dialogues of the fake Mikes in ch4 and ch5 that Tenna doesn't respect his employees, the only person he treats well is Mike. He wasn't going to listen to a "dice boy" (this was extremely classist and meant to belittle and humiliate, nobody should refer to their employees that way). Green Pippins also didn't want to pretend to be Mike for the lolz, he started pretending to be Mike because he was tired of Tenna taking out his personal problems on his employees (workplace abuse).

But it's quite interesting to reflect on the fact that the only one who stands up to an abusive boss is the one who receives the most backlash and is vilified, while we have two other characters doing the same thing and openly enjoying it more than him.

Green Pippins spends far more time insulting Cowboy Mike than anything else. And Green Pippins mistreating other characters doesn't negate the fact that Tenna mistreats them too. Two people can be wrong at the same time.

I even saw people saying things like "oh but Green Pippins can just leave!", besides being extremely victim blaming, that wouldn't change anything for Tenna because he would still be an abusive boss who wouldn't reflect on his actions. Green Pippins isn't lying when he says Tenna treats all his employees like trash.

The big point of contention for him is Spamton trying to take NEO (and eventually doing it), so I think it'd be interesting if Mettaton came to Castle Town and learned of the situation and, contrary to what Swatch (or Spamton) would expect, actually showed sympathy for Spamton's pain and desperation. Swatch holds Mettaton in very high regard, and his anger around the NEO situation is heavily based around Spamton taking a Lightner's creation, so if that same Lightner actually wasn't that upset and believed that Spamton deserves sympathy, that could possibly get Swatch to recognize that his hatred wasn't warranted. He wouldn't start liking Spamton and would still be classist, but he would at least not be so outright contemptuous.

I already mentioned this, but I’m very much hoping that Mettaton lets Spamton keep NEO, like he let the trans lioness keep his dress in Undertale, and Mettaton could then make an updated design that might be more similar to his EX form. If this does happen, it could even be one of the reasons the Spamton mannequin was put in that same dress in the first place (as well as to show that Spamton is transmasc, obviously). The LoadedDisk “squirms and doesn’t fit” in the mannequin, because unlike the lioness, that’s not Spamton’s preferred gender presentation — but NEO is. Both are things Mettaton wore before (in Undertale), but the dress represents femininity while NEO represents transmasculinity.

It’s very possible that Spamton still has access to NEO uploaded in his code, because it’s shown that he’s able to take the background painting from his shop with him when he’s uploaded to the LoadedDisk, and then transfers it to the basement at the end of the SNEO battle; the NEO body is also a paint file. If this is true and Spamton does keep NEO, it would let him have his dream body, just like Pink — who is directly paralleled to Spamton multiple times in her battle — is able to keep hers.

The amount of people I've seen saying "But Pink is trans :(( she was having an anxiety attack during the fight!" Spamton is also trans (and homeless and disabled) and was hallucinating and praying and begging in both routes.

Or that "Tenna was scared and overwhelmed in ch3", as if Spamton wasn't going through exactly the same thing as him for *years*. As if being trans or having mental health problems is an excuse to kill some kids or mistreat people.

Spamton is the bravest soldier of the game so far.

And even if he hadn't recognized Spamton, he just saw that person *SPEAK*. So obviously it wasn't just a rat or creature. And even if it were a rat, don't fucking spray foam on rats????????

Tenna is not the victim in this scene, and nothing he did here was right or justified. Tenna just said that he's alone and wanted someone to help him, so Spamton left Kris's inventory (even they were surprised) just to try and help him. Saying that everything is okay or that it's justified because he's struggling and overwhelmed is the same as saying that all of Susie's abuse/bullying/death threats against Kris are justified because she also has struggles and a bad life. I will never understand how so many people feel bad for the character who is verbally abusing and not the character who is being verbally abused in this scene.

The amount of people I've seen saying "But Pink is trans :(( she was having an anxiety attack during the fight!" Spamton is also trans (and homeless and disabled) and was hallucinating and praying and begging in both routes.

Or that "Tenna was scared and overwhelmed in ch3", as if Spamton wasn't going through exactly the same thing as him for *years*. As if being trans or having mental health problems is an excuse to kill some kids or mistreat people.

But do you know who canonically mistreated everyone?

And he was like this before Kris created the Dark Fountain, by the way

Except it's not the real Spamton that haunts them, but rather their own consciences, reminding them how selfish and bad friends they were to Spamton.

And now they can't just let him go. They need to make a Spamton doll to cope with.

Go ahead. Don't even dare say his name. Call him a "freak," call him "mail" or "mailman"

They all need to lie to themselves to try to shift the blame and responsibility for their own actions.

Does everyone really think the whole theme of capitalism begins and ends with Spamton, the guy who struggled with his own business his whole life and then became homeless?

And not with his coworkers who stopped hanging out with him out of jealousy for his success? And didn't help him because he was "bad for business"? And who later steal all his ideas while insulting him? And they also want to buy other stores (Seam's store)?

Or with the abusive boss who traps everyone with his contracts, threatens his employees, and takes out his frustrations on them? Who neglected his partner's well being to learn his secret and answer a phone call that wasn't even for him?

Or the queen and the butler who neglected a disabled homeless citizen for years? Literally their obligation? While they live a super comfortable and privileged life in a mansion and only treat those of the aristocracy well? While the plugboys who live in Cyber ​​Field (the rural part) are the first to be affected by queen's tyranny?

Or the butler who prefers to prioritize material goods like a work of art that was thrown away years ago instead of a guy who was losing everything and becoming disabled while also having a religious psychosis? Or when he resells the item that belonged to this homeless person with the brand (watermark/the creator credits) removed for double the price to the aristocracy? Or kicking someone out of a store even though they got there way before he did?

Or even about the benefactor who severely punished Spamton just because he wanted to help someone else he cared and loved, who also needed help?

Spamton is just the tip of the iceberg.