The double standards between Jeff and Shauna are crazy to me. And an excellent example is when you point out that the conception of WB was rape
Yes, I know Shauna had consensual sex with Jeff before, but in that moment it wasn’t.
Shauna is canonically a lightweight
She is incredibly drunk, has been slurring her words and starting fights. She has been told to go home by Tai
The reason she is in the car with Jeff in the first place is because she is incredibly drunk and needs to go home. When she asks Jeff to pull over, the first thing he says is and I quote
If your first thought when someone asks you to pull over is that they are going to puke, then I’m pretty sure they should not be having sex
Idk you guys, maybe I’m overthinking this 🤷♀️
And then, when Shauna kisses him, he says “You said we weren’t doing this again”
This is the most damning evidence there is. Shauna, while sober, has set a boundary. “I don’t want to have sex with you”. And now, she is drunk, and changing her mind. Anything she says is null and void. She is not in her right mind. This is a red flag that is yelling “abort, abort!”
He is clearly more lucid than Shauna is, and I cannot stress this enough, he has been trusted with her wellbeing and safety, he is in charge of making sure she gets home safely, and even if he is drunk, it does not make it okay.
By this logic, Shauna, who was even more incapacitated when she assaulted Travis, should be let off the hook. I mean
Shauna was starved for months, pregnant with a child in the critical stages of fetal development, says out loud beforehand that they should leave them alone, and is egged on by Lottie. She showcases genuine remorse and blames herself for years afterwards. She genuinely believes that Travis’ suicide 25 years later is her fault
Shauna, while sober, cares about the consent of the person she is having sex with, whether it’s trying to be supportive of Jeff’s fantasies in episode two or being genuinely afraid of causing harm to Adam while having sex
If you can hold Shauna responsible despite how incredibly incapacitated she was, and the fact that she holds herself accountable and never repeats the action again,then you can hold Jeff responsible for ignoring Shauna’s boundaries and choosing to have sex in spite of everything that yells “don’t do this”
Jeff is introduced as a guy who ignores Jackie’s discomfort in order to get what he wants. He guilts and pressures Jackie into having sex with him
If he’s willing to pressure and guilt Jackie into having sex with him while sober, it isn’t crazy to believe that he would do the same to Shauna
Shauna is the person that the fandom writes fics about raping people while sober, like Melissa, Mari and Natalie, despite the fact that she clearly would not do that while sober, this the same Shauna who was comforting Jeff over his furniture fantasies, the Shauna who was scared of hurting Adam during consensual sex. The Shauna who outright told the others that they should leave Travis and Jackie alone.
But Lord forbid you point out that the guy introduced ignoring boundaries and was in charge of bringing his gfs drunk best friend home, knowingly ignored her state of intoxication, her previous boundaries because he was horny, was guilty of taking advantage of someone and even rape.
If the writers wanted us to see Shauna as a bad person, why not just have her be sober? I mean she was already mad at Tai, and it would’ve made it clear she was a bad person.
But the writers go out of their way to have her be drunk, they go out of their way to point out that she is a lightweight, they state that the first time they have sex is after Jackie refuses to have sex with Jeff. And I’m not supposed to read into this?
I thought Yellowjackets explored dark themes, or does that only count when Shauna’s not the victim?
When Shauna is having a ptsd episode, one of the memories involved is the memory of having sex with Jeff. When Jackie tells Shauna that Jeff told her he loved her the same morning he impregnated her she is stricken with such guilt, she thought she was gonna faint
I still find it really hard to blame Shauna the way half the fandom does, when she was clearly not in the right state of mind to properly consent.
The “Shauna deserved a stillbirth” ideal sounds a lot like victim blaming. If Shauna had been sober, I would’ve held her more responsible
And also, Jeff is still guilty of taking advantage of Shauna post rescue. He knew full well that she was not okay, like she spent the last year and a half in the middle of nowhere, and she had changed entirely.
We, as the audience has watched it happen, but Jeff hasn’t, so this must a hell of a shock. The fact that he takes the furniture company from the father of the girlfriend he cheated on definitely makes it clear that he was in this for personal gain.
He knew Shauna was miserable, he was aware she was mentally ill, he had read her journal and used it against her in the worst ways possible
And then you got people who say this
The devil? If anyone is the devil, it’s the guy who pursued a mentally unstable woman and married her after taking over the business of the family of the girlfriend he cheated on and then read her private journals and chose to ignore her misery for his own gain.
He knew about her secrets for years, whether or not he knew about WB before impregnating Shauna a second time is arguably a scary thought, given this scene
This very much paints an ugly picture. We know that Jeff is someone who will pressure and guilt his partners into getting his way, chances are, he whined about having a kid, and maybe threatened a divorce.
Shauna, who is unemployed, and without a proper support system as well as notoriously being easily guilted would feel bad for Jeff and give him what he wanted believing that she owed him. It kind of makes their scenes like this look worse with that context.
It’s hard? Nobody asked you to marry her, no one asked you to take the Taylor business, nobody dragged you to that altar.
When Simone realized something was wrong with Tai, she immediately tried to get her help. Jeff sat on Shauna’s issues and ignored them for his own benefit and then weaponized them the moment he needed to get out of trouble.
This is neglect and abuse. It doesn’t matter that Shauna wanted to punish herself, it is Jeff’s responsibility to get her help.
He takes her to a marriage counselor to get sex homework, not a goddamn therapist
That is the most damning evidence to prove my point. As long as Shauna is having sex with him, bearing his children and washing his underwear, her emotional needs can be ignored. Who cares how miserable she is as long as the sex is good? Am I right! 😂👍
If anyone is the devil in this relationship, it would be Jeff, not Shauna.
And when he’s caught, he plays supportive husband, finally giving her the reassurance he could have given her years ago
How convenient 😊 What a great husband am I right? Shame your wife for keeping her private journals private to justify why you just blackmailed her closest friends for money that you could’ve gotten from the Taylor’s, or anywhere else.
And then lovebomb and guilt her when you get caught knowing she is incredibly vulnerable
And not only that, use the memory of your dead son to mess with her “We have only one child”
He knows exactly what he’s doing, and yet he is treated like a helpless child. He’s not the mentally stunted one, Shauna is
Yes, Shauna is messed up, but this guy is doing this without the extreme trauma Shauna went through. This is just who he is without extreme circumstances shaping him into someone else.
Shauna would’ve been a better person in better circumstances, while Jeff would be the exact same.
People like Jeff do not realize what they are doing is wrong, and they exist everywhere.
Shauna has hurt quite a few people, but Jeff isn’t one of them. Shauna goes out of her way to keep him from being hurt after he exploited her trauma for cash behind her back. She reassures him when he is feeling insecure about himself, she defends him when the Joel’s are humiliating him, only for him to talk shit about her behind her back.
He abandons her the first chance he gets, when she has finally done something he is uninvolved in, and wipes his hands of her, after taking advantage of her for two decades. Let me repeat myself, 20 years of Shauna being at his beck and call, wiping his skidmarks, defending his name, after he betrayed her in the worst way possible and bearing his child, after the shitshow that was her first birth
In conclusion, Jeff sadecki deserves to die a painful death
