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Those who think you can be in a happy relationship for 4 years 24/7, having sex, and still claim itâs not love but just âgrieving togetherâ â youâre fucking insane
I'm confused why people like Conrad? Like Belly and him broke up, and its been FOUR years and he's still not over her?? And then he confesses his love for her the night before her wedding telling her to leave HIS BROTHER and to be with him??? THAT IS SO SHITTY IM SORRY LIKE WHAT THE FUCK?
Well, this is officially the worst endgame Iâve ever seen, because nothing has changed from all the posts Iâve written before. Basically, we got a preview of the Bonrad endgame back in episode 5, and I broke that episode down â it was stuffed with callbacks, childhood nostalgia, and a heavy emphasis on sex (all of a sudden, because weâve never seen that before between them). Nothing changed in the finale: once again itâs flat, shallow, and completely unclear what kind of relationship theyâre supposed to have.
Belly kept running and running from âfateâ â but in the end, she didnât escape. What weâre left with is insane, passionate desire that obviously isnât built to last, and itâs naĂŻve to think it will. Even funnier when you realize Jere and Belly absolutely had the exact same euphoric honeymoon-phase passion, but of course we were never shown that.
Itâs just ridiculous that Belly and Conrad are stuck in childhood, and the only things they can talk about are memories â not even the ones from age 16, but mostly from much earlier. The episode leaves such a bleak impression, especially when we see their so-called âendgameâ: just the two of them, alone in that gigantic summer house like ghosts trapped in it, unable to leave.
No friends. No family happy for them. And in the end, the epilogue gives us just one Christmas together and about fifteen photos with the teddy bear, like theyâre still kids.
The idea, apparently, is that Belly and Conrad have loved each other since birth â that itâs some kind of otherworldly chemistry, written in the stars, that they just canât escape no matter what universe they meet in. And this is the dumb nonsense the writer, who is over 40, actually believes. Because love does not look like that.
We were never shown the foundation for their relationship. All we got was basically the beginning of their relationship, and weâre supposed to just believe theyâll be together forever? Yeah, try again
I think it says a lot that when Jere and Belly were together, the beach house had the whole family in there and after Conrad and Belly got together, it was just the two of them in there.

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Yeah...
The infinity necklace he uses on her every time she tries to move on from him because he treats her like shit ? Plus, he didn't even give it to her. Belly found it and then he gave it to her when, like I said above, she was trying to move on with Jeremiah... There's nothing romantic about it. Even the childhood flashback where he explained this symbol to her was not romantic. There's nothing romantic about that necklace. It's just a fucking toxic fantasy.
The one who dared to declare his feelings for the first time 2 days before Belly's wedding when he had years to do so ?
And here we are talking about an adult, we really need to stop comparing this to a 16 / 17 year old teenager who prevents two people who are not in a relationship with each other, but in a relationship with other people, from kissing.
The one who just taught her childish things like an older child usually does, as well as scolding her from time to time, while not being there for her once she's older as a teenager and adult ? What Conrad did as a child in relation to Belly wasn't particularly romantic, stop trying to pretend otherwise. Not to mention the fact that we don't measure an adult relationship by the fact that he was nice to you as a child as if that erases all the toxic behavior he's had with you since the end of that period.
And don't come talking to me about Conrad helping with the wedding planning, or going to see Laurel to convince her. Because we know that Conrad used that to spend time with Belly even though she's his brother's fiancĂŠ, and that for Laurel, yes it's nice, but in fact, he didn't say anything to Laurel that the others haven't already told him, so it just shows Laurel's enormous favoritism for Conrad as well as Conrad not giving a damn about Jeremiah's happiness because it's a secondary thought literally silently recalled by Laurel's look for Conrad to think about. Just compare that to the Jeremiah at the end of season 2 who tried to get Bonrad back together by specifying without a huge silent pause that he wanted Belly and her brother to be happy and that he was ready to step aside if that's what they wanted, namely to be together. But besides that, Jeremiah interrupts Belly's happiness with Conrad...
The one who lies to his psychologist and whose therapy consequently has had no effect / impact or change in him ?
The letters are condescending, infantilizing, manipulative, borderline racist ?
And you want to talk about candy ? We're going to talk about candy. In the book, Jere isn't wrong about Belly's favorite candy. The ones he chose in the show were indeed Belly's favorite in volume 2. They changed her favorite candy in the show, quite simply, to give Conrad a positive scene. However, indeed, at the end of volume 3, Belly's tastes changed and she preferred the candy that Conrad chose for her in season 2. And you know what Conrad from the book does in one of your beloved letters ? He makes fun of Belly for liking those candies. Little gratuitous information. And besides, I'm supposed to adore Conrad because he remembers Belly's favorite candy as if that meant anything profound while we have a whole flashback of Jere with Susannah talking about the things Belly likes, including her favorite drink and why ? Besides the fact that we saw earlier in the show that Jere knew exactly Belly's favorite pie ? Your candy argument is so embarrassing.
And we need to stop romanticizing the fact that Conrad tells Belly that he never got over her. Because it's in a context where Conrad voluntarily remained emotionally stuck as a teenager during the 6-month period when he dated Belly. There's nothing romantic about it in the context where he never tried to get better with her. Already by never talking about it to his therapist, and also by never trying to evolve in his romantic relationships. Not being able to move on romantically in 4 years while you have healthy behavior because you're trying to move on in life from that point of view, and forgetting this person without succeeding is one thing. Not being able to move on romantically because you're simply not trying to move on in life from that point of view, and therefore forgetting this person, is another. And one can be seen as romantic and the other not. And the version that cannot be seen as romantic is the one that Conrad decided to have.
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âyes in the movie he is the villainâ benito i actually love you
bellyjeres we might not be endgame but we really had every main character on the show clock the fuck out of conradâs shit including explicitly calling him sick and insane, belly shouting at him to go away and never talk to her again, both steven and taylor damn near staging an intervention, jere punching him twice (even conrad agreed he deserved it), belly didnât even leave jere at the altar instead they had a really beautiful emotional scene where it was very clear they both still loved each other so much. âi donât know where i end and you beginâ like theyâll always be soulmates and nothing can take that away, in the end weâll always have the sweetest and most well-crafted love story in the show itâs a win to me!
i canât help but laugh guys we really won in the end huhâŚÂ set up as a love triangle this whole time meanwhile we had a 9-10 episode arc (in an 11 episode season) of intricate, beautiful and tragic best friends to lovers with belly and jeremiah at the centre stage of the plot. meanwhile the other team have had⌠zero genuine romantic interest from belly all season, conrad the one character with the least development by far and giving pathetic loser (i mean he really hasnât changed in what 5 years now?), jenny had ten years to improve him and she somehow made him even worse in the show. bro is bumming around and consistently reinserts himself into bellyâs life when sheâs happy and thriving without him to spread his doom and gloom as usual, at most theyâre getting one episode when weâve had s2 + most of s3 focused on our ship. both jeremiah and belly have grown as people; conrad has not. belly has always been a girl âwho knows her own heartâ and she has chosen jeremiah over and over again all season, up until the very end. a last minute endgame wonât change any of this.
oh and on top of everything, at the end of the day weâll never be the fanbase known for spreading insane misogyny, degrading + objectifying views of the woman main character, being completely media illiterate, male-centered and biphobic when it serves our beloved basic white boy, which is something i canât say for the other team. some of you are a little too comfortable talking about belly like she is conradâs personal property and knowing the sheer amount of people walking around with this nasty kind of internalised misogyny is appalling. even if i wasnât a bellyjere, i would be everything else under the sun before i ever supported conrad or b*nrad. âthis season will make you switch teamsâ meanwhile iâve never felt more justified as a team jelly / team belly girl because fuck those raging misogynists lmfao
might have fought for our lives all season but at the end of the day we stay on top
Did you also notice how Jenny basically redeemed Jere on every single point in this episode?
⢠The cake was explained as his passion for cooking.
⢠He paid for the dream apartment for him and Belly where they were supposed to live after the wedding.
⢠He finally cut ties with his dad and found himself.
⢠He said everything to Conrad directly, forgave him, and even blessed him and Belly.
⢠He apologized to Laurel
⢠The cheating was softened too because they framed it as a rebound concept, a coping mechanism to move forward.
⢠They finally dressed him well, gave him a haircut, and he looks stunning now! (Like honestly, how did they manage to make him look so bad in the earlier episodes? As a photographer, Iâm outraged â it feels like they intentionally ruined him on screen.)
⢠They showed that everyone loves and appreciates him, that heâs the sunshine of the group.
⢠Steven isnât mad at him about the âcheatingâ with Belly.
⢠Taylor is literally drooling over him in his underwear to the point Steven had to comment, like ???
⢠Heâs cooking for everyone and everyoneâs in awe of how amazing he is.
And earlier theyâd already partly destroyed some of the hate: like when people mocked the ring as trash, but then Belly spent a whole episode chasing after it, saying it was priceless.
Basically, once they kicked him out of the triangle, they stopped humiliating him and started showing how great he actually is. These manipulations in the writing drive me crazy.
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Okay so again, Iâve only seen gifs and posts but Iâm getting more an more riled up by the second when I see more things about season 3. Iâm actually so sick of Jeremiah being treated like the second choice, even now FOUR YEARS after theyâve been in a stable and committed relationship. The whole Conrad going up to her and saying âdonât marry him, be with meâ as if the only reason shes with jere is because she couldnât have him is disgusting.
She CHOSE here. She chose hin at the end of season two and all of a sudden Iâm supposed to be rooting for Conrad FOUR YEARS LATER when he hasnât even been a part of their lives properly until now ? Everyoneâs always âoh jere doesnt actually love belly, he only wnats he becaise Conrad doesâ get fucking real. Hes been with her for four years away from the eyes of his brother, so who did he have that to prove to ? Conrad only wants belly because jere has her and heâs not used to not getting his own fucking way. Everyone panders to that man.
Plus, Iâm sorry but how can you be team Conrad when hes literally begging his brothers fiancĂŠ to be with him ?! When hes fantasising about her sexually ?! Bonrads misread jere looking at Denise as if he was turned on weeks ago and calling him disgusting when in realty, he was just picking up on the tension with her and Stephen. But Conrad can sexualise belly and dream of her like that when his own brother is getting married to her ? Double standards jfc. What kind of brother does that ?! Theyâve been together for four years !! This isnât some blasĂŠ relationship, theyâre getting married and NOW he wants to speak up and beg for her ?! Get fucked.
Plus, all I see now from season three, is bonrads going âoh jere didnât compromise on the cakeâ or âhes letting dad have too much power over the weddingâ or âhes turning into himâ when Conrad has literally been the image of Adam from season one. Conrad can make belly cry and call her a baby and push her away but thatâs okay because he was hurting, but the moment Jeremiah starts seeking the approval of his father and makes some questionable decisions when itâs quite clearly coming from a place of insecurity and wanting to be accepted from a man who continually puts him down, itâs suddenly âhes a terrible person and doesnât deserve to be with bellyâ ?!!
Iâm sick of it. This show makes me so angry. Iâm not holding out hope for a jelly endgame but my god, if weâre getting a bonrad endgame in the year of 20 fucking 25, weâre so fucked as a society .
Iâm not saying that what Jeremiah said over the phone was right- it wasnât, but itâs funny that bonrads are using it as a reason heâs a bad person. Remind me, are you team the guy that called belly a baby ? Are you team the guy that âforgotâ it was her birthday and made her feel like shit ? Are you team âhey belly, whoâs a better kisser ?â Are you team the guy that lied about Jeremiah being over belly and in a good place after being named homecoming king purely so he could date her ? When Jeremiah in fact, was not okay. Are you team the guy that says âdid we ? I was pretty wastedâ after belly tells him they nearly kissed when he very much remembered it. Are you team âomg do you remember eveything I say đ?â Are you team the guy who the moment he got the âblessingâ from his brother to be with belly, straight up got up and left immediately because he got what he wanted and didnât care how his brother was ? Are you team the guy who was described like this by BELLY herself ? âI can't even be mad at him, because this is who he is. This is who he's always been. He never lied about that. He gives and then he takes awayâ that the guy ? Hmmm. Interesting.
the thing that bothers me most about belly ending up with cornbread is that it will completely undermine bellyâs autonomy, her agency, and the boundaries sheâs set + everything sheâs said herself all season. susannahâs line from ep10: âyouâve always been a girl that knows her own heart.â belly has chosen jeremiah all season. she chose him until the end. all season sheâs barely cared about conrad, and when she has feelings about him, theyâre mostly negative (shouting on the beach, crying in the kitchen and shoving him, calling him sick to name a few). belly left to paris to distance herself and grow as her own person, which is beautiful for her character, and lovely to see. but the problem is that conrad just doesnât fit in this picture. he doesnât fit in her life anymore, period. all he does is bring back memories from the past, weasel his way back in with one of the only three topics they seem to have in common anymore: sour patch kids, junior mint, and the infinity necklace.
what belly said way back in season one is unfortunately STILL true for conrad, who is the single most unchanging character in the show. heâll start showing up to remind her that he exists right when sheâs moving on (or in the case of paris and s3, already moved on). itâs not romantic. itâs not yearning. itâs sad and manipulative. not moving on in 5-6 years â and not making any effort to move on, on top of being unable to maintain relationships with anyone â is concerning.
to have them end up together would directly contradict all the decisions belly herself has made, and all the things she has asserted throughout the entirety of the show. pursuing and choosing jeremiah in s2, her long-term relationship with jeremiah + nearly getting married + choosing him over and over, choosing paris to find her own way + telling conrad he doesnât know who she is anymore, âwhatever [feelings she has left for conrad] it doesnât compare to me and youâ âyou will never be what jere is to meâ, fighting against everyone to be with jere. and it would push this concerning message that belly has somehow been in delusion / self-denial all season (which is what b*nrads believe), and basically confirm that yes, actually, everyone else was right about bellyâs romantic decisions â except herself (on top of justifying conradâs disturbing behaviour). iâd like to believe they wouldnât do that to her.
weâve seen belly all season. she chose jeremiah, and more recently she chose finding herself, looking ahead to a new future. to somehow retract all of bellyâs own choices and things she has asserted CONSISTENTLY is appalling when you remember that this is primarily bellyâs story. in ep10, belly didnât care about conrad at all. she only messaged jeremiah on susannahâs anniversary, messaged him when she was drunk, dropped everything to answer his call, vs giving a single, bare minimum acknowledgement to conradâs letters. i would like to believe that they wouldnât undermine belly in her own story, and that theyâll allow her to give conrad a much-needed reality check â that his warped self-made narrative is far from reality. the reality is that bellyâs choosing of jeremiah back in s2 had nothing to do with conrad; she chose jeremiah already. herself. because she wanted it. not because she felt pressured by any external force to do so.
honestly speaking my expectations are pretty low, iâm not sure i trust the writers to see this through. i do still have hope for, at least, a belly choosing herself ending. right now, conrad endgame is objectively the worst route they could possibly go down in terms of overall message, bellyâs character development and arc, and respecting belly as a character in general.
"Jeremiah is being so whiny and mean this episode, like omg, get over it already, it's been 24 hours"
You guys would hate me because I would be meaner
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I just watched episode 7 of season 3...
That beach scene hit the final nail in the coffin of why I could never be team Bonrad, no matter how much the show wants me to.
After Conrad found out about Cabo, his initial reaction was to confront Jeremiah, but Jeremiah was too drunk to have a proper conversation with him.
Then, when Belly went to the beach, she expected Jeremiah to be there, not knowing that he was too drunk to attend, and runs into Conrad.
Conrad decides to tell Belly about Cabo (as if that was his right) and was shocked when Belly assured him that she was aware and remained firm on her decisions.
Conrad's immediate actions that followed only showed his true motives that were buried deep inside. He didn't tell Belly about the Cabo incident because he felt bad for her or thought she had a right to know.
No, he selfishly used that as a tool to win her over and had a completely different reaction once that backfired.
Instead of respecting her choices, he once again overstepped Belly's boundaries to the point where she threatened to scream.
Then he told her that he loved her, as an attempt to win her over. A younger version of Belly would've been over the moon hearing this, but there's three big issues.
1. Belly is not a teenager anymore. She's a young lady:
I noticed that throughout the series, whenever we see Conrad's flashbacks or perceptions of Belly, he's always picturing her as a little girl or a teenager. He doesn't see her as the young woman she is because it doesn't represent a time when Belly loved him unconditionally, even at her own detriment.
2. Belly is about to get married:
Conrad decided to confess his feelings towards Belly THREE DAYS before her wedding and acted shocked when she didn't drop everything for him. Jeremiah and Belly have dated for four years, while Conrad has barely spoken to them during that time frame.
3. Conrad and Belly haven't had a proper relationship in years:
When I say proper relationship, I don't mean a strictly romantic relationship, I also mean a platonic one, too. Once Belly and Conrad broke up, she was devastated, as most people would be.
Even in the second season, Belly's main focus was to help the Fisher brothers retain the summer house. Belly and Conrad's interactions in that time frame mostly revolved around the house and Conrad's grades.
We didn't get any scenes that showed that they could have a healthy relationship as friends. The vast majority of their scenes were cordial, with the exception of the last episode of season 2.
In season 3, they've barely communicated for four years. While four years is a long time, that's not enough to determine whether someone has actually matured enough to be in a serious relationship, especially with their ex who was a teenager at the time.
The problem with the execution of this season regarding Belly and Conrad's relationship is that nothing proves that this couple would work in any realistic scenario. Although I'm aware that this show is fictional, it's set in a semi-realistic setting, not a fantasy with mythical and supernatural creatures.
From a selling point, you want your romance to not only feel authentic but also realistic, and Bonrad doesn't have that realism or authenticity that would sell as a good romance.
iâm not in the mood fisher just tell me have you seen him or not. not that iâd want to see you if i were him anyway. i canât even fucking look at you. what is wrong with you? really, what is wrong with you? did you really have to go and confess your undying love the weekend of her wedding to your LITTLE BROTHER. YOU REALLY THINK SHE WAS GOING TO CHANGE HER MIND? YOUâRE INSANE. YOUâRE GOING TO HEAR IT BECAUSE BELLY IS MY LITTLE SISTER AND JERE IS MY BEST FRIEND. iâve barely seen you for years and i see jere every day. he has thanksgiving with my family. he has the spare keys to my apartment. he calls my grandmother halmoni for fuckâs sake. youâre the one who disappeared. fix what you BROKE. find jere. be the good guy we all thought you were.
OH OH OH steven clocked conradâs shit to levels i have not seen in my LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he ATE THAT UP! bellyjeres in the writers room yâall doing godâs work he absolutely destroyed that selfish rat oh my god that ate so fucking bad. you have no idea how relieving it is to hear conrat being called insane onscreen and have his behaviour rightfully called out after us team jere/team bellys have been fighting for our LIVES all season. you called belly a clown for calling out conradâs shitty behaviour, you called jeremiah everything under the sun for putting his foot down against conradâs nasty behaviour, you hated taylor every time she openly criticised conrad, i bet theyâll all be hating steven too when every damn word he said was right. meanwhile there is one singular, recurring factor in all of this â that conradâs behaviour is unacceptable and yeah, insane. yâall were just too delusional in licking conratâs ass mode to realise it.
well it feels good to be right!