And itâs even more heartbreaking when you see the transition and how performative it is.
I was a camp counselor at a science/nature camp when I was 16, for a bunch of 10 and 11 yr old girls. And one day while we were waiting around for the naturalist to come get us to go on the dayâs hike, the boys cabin we were grouped with was exploring the area and overturned a log and found a salamander. One of the boys picked it up and they brought it over.
My girls all went âewww, gross, keep it away!â
âŚright up until I said âwhoa, cool, can I see it?â
This boy handed me the salamander and all of a sudden my girls were clustering around. They wanted to hold it. They were asking questions about it. They had stories of other times theyâd seen a lizard or caught a frog or something. A couple of them went with some of the boys to look under another log and see if they could find another one.
All they had needed was permission to be curious, to show interest instead of disgust. And as soon as someone they were looking to for cues on âhow to be a girlâ showed interest, as soon as they didnât feel like they had to perform socially-acceptable girliness and pretend to be grossed out in order to gain adult approval, all that natural curiosity and the fascination most kids have for the natural world just came bubbling right up.
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âWomen arenât baby-making factories!â
Okay I hate to be ~that~ anatomy nerd, but if you think of the human body as a factory, the female body is literally a baby making factory! From the way our organs are set up, to our hormones, and even our external parts, our bodies are geared toward baby making.
So yes, women are baby making factories đ
@theworld-onherhips did you flunk high school biology or what?
The female reproductive system is actually extremely hostile towards embryos
Our species have hemichorial placentas, designed to weed out all but the fittest embryos. We develop thick endometrial linings from a ridiculously young age in order to aggressively protect ourselves from what is essentially a ruthless parasite that is literally sucking our blood; every time we have a period our body is shedding blood and tissue so that it can efficiently eject embryos deemed unworthy, which is most of them
On top of that, there is only a 12 hour window each menstrual cycle during which we can conceive - over the course of a year, there is less than a week of time in which we are in danger of conceiving. Which is why it is perfectly normal for a healthy couple to go 12 months or more without getting pregnant.Â
The way our hormones are calibrated is to protect US, not the fetus. The wider pelvic girdle, extra fat, etc. is about minimizing the damage a fetus can do to the pregnant person
Also, I donât know a lot about factories, but spending 9 months to make (typically) just one product and then not knowing when you can make another one sounds like a really poor business model.
Also what we consider carrying âto termâ would kill pretty much any other creature on earth? Babies are not fully developed when they come out, theyâre helpless to predators and canât even stumble their way to a food source like most baby animals.Â
Scientists believe to âfully growâ a human, it would actually take 18-21 months, to equate the development of other primatesâ babies.
 http://www.livescience.com/22715-pregnancy-length-baby-size.html
The female body literally cannot carry a child to full development. It would kill us. Weâre more like⌠game developers at Ubisoftâ we kick the product out before itâs ready and hope we can work out the bugs to make them playable as they get older.Â
Reblogging for the Ubisoft comparison. I giggled the whole night after reading it, and even as I was laying in bed. It would just pop back to my mind and Iâd get the giggles again.
Also Iâd like to add that miscarriages are pretty common because pretty much anything wrong with the developing embryo or fetus can potentially cause damage to the person carrying it and the body will typically terminate itself and continue to do so until a defect is missed or the embryo/fetus develops successfully. Most of these self-terminations will typically happen in the earliest stages of pregnancy before or around the time youâre actually able to detect being pregnant and itâs a good thing too considering the psychological damage associated with the loss can be devastating. Being able to carry to term is way less common than people realize because of the taboo regarding talking about miscarriages so everyone assumes that you can get pregnant on the first try when usually youâve had several undetected miscarriages already and may have several more that occur in later terms.
People make it out to be that pregnancy is beneficial to both parties but in reality itâs literally a fight for resources. The fetus wants the nutritious blood and will literally inflict damage onto the carrier if itâs not getting enough nutrition (which is why its important for pregnant people to get plenty of nutrients like calcium because the fetus will literally leech calcium from your bones and cause osteoporosis if its not provided with enough) and practically tries hoarding resources for development, while the carrier will try to distribute things evenly.
Itâs basically the equivalent of having a camping partner that keeps hoarding and using up all the gear like matches, food, water, and theyâre careless about stuff and might break a kerosene lamp or rip a hole in the tent, and theyâre constantly making you carry most of their shit. Youâre trying to make sure that both of you have enough stuff to make it through the winter so you have to be aggressive and hostile toward the person in ways that will limit how much they can keep taking from you, sometimes even ditching them shortly after youâve started the trip because you know that spending the whole time is going to be extremely hard on you emotionally and physically.
âŚYou can say woman. You can say female. You can say the mother. Why is this unnecessary neutral language used even in clinical, scientific, medical discussion about womenâs anatomy and reproduction? Thereâs no debate or mystery about whose bodies are creating fetuses and carrying them. âPeopleâ donât have babies - females do. Women do.
This is great information youâve provided, so why are you couching it in such nonspecific and vague language?
all the debate in sports actually makes me hate my female body... i hate being female. âThereâs literally thousands of high school boys that can dominate the best pro women athletes.â Men are always better so why even try? (I know itâs not true but these arguments really make me depressed)
The female body is not inferior, don't let a male model of society trick you into holding capacity for brute strength as the most defining trait of a person's value
Anon, we know that women are better at running supermarathons (vast distances), and at wild swimming/long distance swimming. Please consider - sports in which women regularly outperform men, or methods of judging those sports which result in women outperforming men, would not catch on in a patriarchal environment. There might be numerous âsportsâ out there that women are better at than men, that we just havenât discovered, because men arenât good at them.
And the absurdity of valuing sports over, say, survivability? Which is real physical strength? Moving something heavy, or not fucking dying from cold or disease?
Women are less likely to inherit genetic illnesses (double X bby), can survive longer on significantly less due to fat stores and different types of muscles, and during times of widespread disease, women are more likely to overcome illnesses. When men get sick, they tend to get much sicker. Their biology isnât geared toward survivability. Even testosterone, the beloved ~tough manly hormone~ decreases their lifespan.
Where men keep producing sperm, expending energy and resources, risking cell mutation.. Womenâs bodies enter menopause. Monthly cycles which are very energy intensive stop so that women can live longer. The importance of this is described by âthe grandmother theoryâ, aka, old ladies keep society running and continue to be very valuable even into old age.Â
Its unreasonable to expect to love your body easily in a society that tells women we are less than and dirty. Practicing body neutrality is a more prudent goal, you can read more about it here:Â https://www.healthline.com/health/body-neutrality#systemic-change
I was thinking about American Ninja Warrior the other day - and how most of the contestants are men and the women who do compete are at a disadvantage because a lot of the obstacles require upper body strength which is a lot easier for men to acquire, and reach which you have naturally if youâre tall.
But could you design an obstacle course where women would dominate? Obviously weâd still be talking about very fit and strong people. Could you design an obstacle that was easier for women? They do have some balance obstacles but the men still do them just fine. Often they âbrute strengthâ them by just running across them really fast.
Iâd love someone to do a study into this, and into sport in general, and come up with those sports that women are physically more suited for, other than the ones we do know already.
A sport designed for women to excel would probably look a lot like women's gymnastics. Upper body strength and pure power is necessary, but it also relies a lot on flexibility, balance, and "grace" - far more than men's gymnastics.
Actually, an even better example is rhythmic gymnastics. (It's a sport and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.) Men's RG exists, but it sucks. The sport requires extreme flexibility, extreme balance, extreme coordination. Rhythmic gymnasts are strong, but it's not a sport where raw power is particularly helpful, and size is actually a hindrance. Women doing rhythmic gymnastics are breathtaking. Men just look like they're doing a goofy lil dance.
So that's one example of a sport that plays to women's physical strengths.
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Culture is not some untouchable law of the universe. Culture is a tool created and curated by people. No culture is sacred. No culture is static.
But, these are biological realities of animal life:
female, male
homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual
childhood, puberty, adolescence, adulthood
reproduction, family, death
Every human culture faces these realities, understands them, and then reframes them for the next generation.
When someone says âhomosexuality doesnât exist in my culture, thatâs a foreign conceptâ they arenât interested in a biology debate. They know that homosexuality is a reality of human life. They are simply letting you know they find it uncultured, base, and taboo.
When they say âhomosexuality doesnât exist here, inverts hold a spiritual ceremonial roleâ they arenât elevating homosexuality. Theyâre marginalizing homosexuals to one sector of society. They find the idea of homosexuals pursuing regular life uncultured, base, and taboo. Any connection between âceremonial invertsâ and âforeign homosexualityâ would be taken as a deeply spiritually insensitive comparison.
Framing homosexuality as a spiritual third gender or similarly narrow role is a cultural tool. It isolates a cultureâs gay population from gays in other cultures. There are dozens of third gender examples. Itâs interesting that cross-cultural gay solidarity was regarded as such a threat by so many different cultures.
No gay person should feel obligated to respect homophobic cultural ideas. Â No amount of cultural relativism or cultural sensitivity training will change my mind on that.
A movement has formed around the idea that oneâs ability to build a family should not be determined by wealth, sexuality, gender or biology.
âWhile plenty of New Yorkers have formed families by gestational surrogacy, they almost certainly worked with carriers living elsewhere. Because until early April, paying a surrogate to carry a pregnancy was illegal in New York state. The change to the law, which happened quietly in the midst of the stateâs effort to contain the coronavirus, capped a decade-long legislative battle and has laid the groundwork for a broader movement in pursuit of what some activists have termed âfertility equality.â
feminists opposed the bill; more on the bill overturning the surrogacy ban here
Still in its infancy, this movement envisions a future when the ability to create a family is no longer determined by oneâs wealth, sexuality, gender or biology.
âThis is about society extending equality to its final and logical conclusion,â said Ron Poole-Dayan, the founder and executive director of Men Having Babies, a New York nonprofit that helps gay men become fathers through surrogacy. âTrue equality doesnât stop at marriage. It recognizes the barriers LGBTs face in forming families and proposes solutions to overcome these obstacles.â
[...]
Mr. Poole-Dayan and others believe infertility should not be defined as a physical condition but a social one. They argue that people â gay, straight, single, married, male, female â are not infertile because their bodies refuse to cooperate with baby making. Rather, their specific life circumstances, like being a man with a same-sex partner, have rendered them unable to conceive or carry a child to term without medical intervention. A category of âsocial infertilityâ would provide those biologically unable to form families with the legal and medical mechanisms to do so.
âWe have this idea that infertility is about failing to become pregnant through intercourse, but this is a very hetero-centric viewpoint,â said Catherine Sakimura, the deputy director and family law director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights. âWe must shift our thinking so that the need for assisted reproductive technologies is not a condition, but simply a fact.â
infertility is described as a diminished or absent ability to conceive and bear offspring [x]. thereâs nothing âhetero-centricâ about this definition.
Fertility equality activists are asking, at a minimum, for insurance companies to cover reproductive procedures like sperm retrieval, egg donation and embryo creation for all prospective parents, including gay couples who use surrogates. Ideally, activists would also like to see insurance cover embryo transfers and surrogacy fees. This would include gay men who would transfer benefits directly to their surrogate.
gay men choosing to use a surrogate has nothing to do with infertility or âspecific life circumstancesâ and everything to do with the fact that males canât create life. itâs incredibly dishonest to lump medical interventions that aid in reproduction with surrogacy as if theyâre the same thing. the former only includes medical intervention; the latter includes a form of medical intervention and the use and commercialization of womenâs bodies.
[...]
In 2018 Captain Aguilera, who is stationed at a Marine Corps base in Jacksonville, N.C., began thinking about fatherhood and taking advantage of his benefits. But âthe V.A. told me they only offer these procedures to male soldiers who are married to women,â he said, referring to services like testing, hormone therapy and artificial insemination, and that surrogacy was not a covered benefit.
âBut what about gay men?â Captain Aguilera said. âWhy arenât we on equal footing? The whole process made me feel like giving up my dream of becoming a parent.â
For those who can afford it, the six-figure cost to have children via surrogacy is a fair price to realize what once seemed impossible. âI am part of a whole generation of gay men who thought they would not have kids,â Andy Cohen, 52, the Bravo host and new father, said in a phone interview, acknowledging that he is âa privileged guy with access to the money and resources needed to do surrogacy.â
But some would-be gay male parents see this high price of parenthood as a penalty for not being straight. (Sperm donation and intrauterine insemination, commonly used by lesbian couples, are comparatively inexpensive procedures.)
gee, i wonder why artificial insemination is more inexpensive than paying a woman to undergo artificial insemination, carry a baby for 9 months and give birth... it must be a penalty for not being straight.
âPart of the reason I hesitated to come out was because I equated being gay with being unable to have a family,â said Mario Leigh, the 23-year-old founder of Affordable Families, a fertility-rights coalition in Connecticut. âWhich is why Iâm taking action preventively to ensure that this is not the case.â
A recent Marist College graduate who works at Raytheon Technologies, an aerospace defense company in Windsor, Conn., Mr. Leigh is waging a legislative battle to ensure his access to fertility.
Aided by Representative Liz Linehan, the chair of the Connecticut legislatureâs Committee on Children, his organization is developing a bill that would lead the nation in inclusive language and insurance coverage. âWe want to secure affordable coverage for anyone who desires a family,â Mr. Leigh said.
Mr. Leigh began envisioning his own fertility journey while watching reality television. âI saw âMillion Dollar Listing New Yorkâ star Fredrick Eklund and his husband welcome twin daughters via surrogate in 2017,â Mr. Leigh said. âSeeing Eklund become a father was incredibly enlightening and felt like the missing piece I needed to begin thinking about how I could also have children.â
Mr. Leigh was relieved to know that science was on his side. But he knew how easily he could be priced out of parenthood by the high cost of surrogacy, and that he couldnât possibly be the only person facing those costs with fear.
âItâs a social justice issue, and young people are leading todayâs social justice movements,â said Ms. Linehan of access to fertility care. âItâs also a fiscal issue, this is also about fiscal injustice. How will young LGBTs form families if they cannot afford it?â
[...]
âOpponents will say, âWeâre not homophobic. We oppose discrimination in the workplace. You deserve the right to dignity,â Mr. Gevisser said. âBut this openness stops at raising children.â
no. this openness doesnât stop at raising children. this openness stops at you trying to commodify womenâs bodies. lesbian women are female so they have the biological capability to have babies. gay men do not possess this capability but they can adopt one of the half a million children in foster care in the US and raise them if they so wish. feminists arenât against homosexuals raising children, weâre against misogynists who want to exploit womenâs reproductive capability under the guise of fighting homophobia.
[...]
In New York, a number of feminist activists do not share the belief that legalizing surrogacy increases gender equality. The most vocal opponents include Gloria Steinem and Deborah Glick, the first openly gay member of New Yorkâs legislature, who view paid surrogacy as patriarchal, exploitative and even akin to slavery. Both women campaigned against legalizing surrogacy in New York State.
hereâs an excerpt from Gloria Steinemâs statement on the issue: âThe danger here is not the use of altruistic surrogacy to create a loving family, which is legal in New York now, but the state legalizing the commercial and profit-driven reproductive surrogacy industry. As has been seen here and in other countries, this harms and endangers women in the process, especially those who feel that they have few or no economic alternatives. Under this bill, women in economic need become commercialized vessels for rent, and the fetuses they carry become the property of others.â
Much as with transgender rights, some critics contend that the quest for fertility equality erases women and denies their essential biological role. And though many surrogate babies are born to straight couples, some opponents of surrogacy are uncomfortable with connecting the purchasing power of men â especially gay men â to the bodies of women.
âWeâre talking about the eradication of womanhood as we know it,â said Phyllis Chesler, a feminist and professor, whose 1988 book, âSacred Bond: The Legacy of Baby M,â chronicled a high-profile surrogacy custody case. âSome people want to do away with reality, but biology is real, biology exists â and biology is what will get you pregnant.â
Michelle Pine, 39, a two-time surrogate in Klamath Falls, Oregon, said that âwhile there are certainly opportunities for exploitation, working with agencies or groups that offer some regulation help take away that piece.â
Many of the activists seeking fertility equality are not wealthy enough to cover the full cost of surrogacy. Captain Aguilera, who recently completed law school and will soon retire from the military, is considering a home-equity loan to cover future surrogacy costs and has applied for financial support from Men Having Babies.
Heâs also caught the activist bug. âNow that I passed the bar, I want to use my law degree to help change these unfair policies,â he said.
As for Mr. Leigh, for the past year he has set aside 25 percent of each paycheck for a special surrogacy savings account. âSo far I donât even have enough for a single round of I.V.F.,â he said.
âIâm only 23, so Iâm not worrying just yet,â he added. âBut the clock is ticking. I want to be a father by the time I turn 30.â
Julie Bindel, a British feminist, has traveled around the world to research this issue. Hereâs one of her articles on the topic.
You can read more on surrogacy here, here and here.
Ew this is so gross, literally a bunch of men stating they have the legal right to purchase a child as well as womenâs reproductive labour under the guise of it being about gay rights. The women who would sign up for this will be, of course, poor women and, disproportionally, women of ethnic minorities. A rich woman doesnât need the extra money but a poor woman might. This is exploitation, plain and simple. In some third world countries authorities have discovered so-called baby factories (in the most literal sense).
Nobody has the right to a biological child. If you canât conceive naturally, youâre entitled to health care to aid pregnancy, but thatâs about it. Nobody has the right to purchase a child via commodifying womenâs ability to carry a child. What if the woman changes her mind and wants to keep the child herself? Where are her reproductive rights? What if she changes her mind and wants to get an abortion? In my country, biological mothers automatically are granted legal parenthood, and I think many other jurisdictions operate the same way. If the mother is required to give up this right, youâre essentially buying her rights... (considering many jurisdictions only allow up to 2 legal parents).
This isnât about gay rights because heterosexual couples who arenât able to conceive either would also not be entitled to a surrogate mother. If gay men want to become fathers, just adopt a child. This isnât about money per se, because adoption is a lot cheaper than paid surrogacy. If you adopt a child, that child is legally yours, so the law recognises your legal rights as a parent. Same applies to heterosexual parents who are unable to conceive. Plenty of heterosexual people are infertile. It sucks, but those are the cards dealt by Mother Nature, and the law cannot change the laws of nature for you.
Women in the USA donât even have paid maternity leave, yet these clowns think they should be able to commission a women for a child??? Imagine how messed up it must be to know that you, as a child, were paid for, and that your legal parents essentially bought you from your biological mother. Many adopted children struggle with not knowing their biological parents, but at least they know they werenât put on the Earth as a product, a ââdesigner babyââ if you will. An adopted child doesnât have a better alternative than to be adopted, but a child conceived through surrogacy was conceived specifically in the context of an arrangement
Oh, and let me guess: if the child turns out to be severely disabled, the parents would feel cheated, huh? You paid all that money (or let tax payers do it for you), and you feel cheated, because the kid has Down Syndrom or autism. We know how this is going to go. Disabled children are less likely to be adopted, same goes for non-white children. These biases will, predictably, also apply to the surrogate industry
ââFertility equalityââ my ass. Both men and women are entitled to fertility treatments that aid conception, but thatâs different from making a poor woman sign a contract that says she needs to give up her child that she carried for nine months, and also her legal right as a mother. Itâs not equality if you treat women as baby factories :)))))
This is the Baby M case all over again, isnât it? Except this time theyâre trying to change the law
If you can't have children the natural way, adoption is the way to go. No one is special enough that they deserve a child with their genetics no matter what nature says. Adoption is more humane and more ethical.
Also that figure is way too low, modern population estimates might be as much as twice that. There were between 25 and 40 million in central Mexico alone, almost as many people in the North Amazon, almost as many in the Andes, and almost as many in the American South. All saw 80 to 99 percent population loss in the period of 2 to 3 generations.
The Greater Mississippi River Basin had a population somewhere between 5 and 12 million, the Eastern Woodlands had about as many, about as many in the Central Amazon, and almost as many on the American West Coast and North West Coast respectively. All of which saw 85 to 99 percent population losses in 2 or three generations after the others.
Multiple factions if European interests killed all the natives they could and destroyed all the culture and history they could. They were not limited by gender, language, religion, culture, ethnic group, nationality, geography, or time period; just every single person they could.
Why are you all omitting the well known fact that it was not purposeful genocide but simply new microbes introduced that no one knew about at that time.
When Columbus realized the pigs they brought were getting the Islanders sick he arranged to loose as many as possible ahead of them primarily into the Benne region, I believe. Cortez loaded sickened corpses into Tenochtitlanâs aqueducts, Spain deliberately targeted the priests of Mexican society first because they knew it would severely undermine the public ability to treat disease. When the post Incan city states developed a treatment for malaria, the Spanish deliberately targeted the cities producing the quinine treatment and made it illegal to sell it to non-christians. The Spanish took all the sick and forced them at sword-point to go back to their homes instead of to the sick houses or the temples throughout the new world, and forced anyone who wasnât sick to work in the mines or the coin factories melting and pressing their cultural treasures down into Spanish coins. The English were just as bad, they started the smallpox blankets. A lot of the loss was not deliberate infections like this but it was preventable at a million different crossroads and every European culture took the opportunity to weaponize the plagues when they could.
They knew what they were doing, just cuz they didnât know what germs were doesnât mean they have some accidental relationship with it. Alexander the great used biological warfare after all, so itâs not like you can pretend the concept was alien to them, they wrote about it.
Besides they did plenty of old fashioned killing too, there were Spanish conquistadors that estimated their own personal, individual killings might have numbered over the ten thousands. They were sure theyâd killed more than ten million in âNew Spainâ alone. They crucified people they smashed babies on the rocks, they set fire to buildings they forced women and children into and cooked their meals over the burning corpses, they loosed war dogs on people. They sold children into sex slavery to be raped by disease riddled pedos back in Europe and if taking their virginity didnât cure the sick creeps the native children would be killed or sometimes sent back.
The English were just as bad, shooting children in front of their mothers and forcing them to mop their blood with their hair. Turning human scalps into currency. Feeding babies to dogs in front of their mothers and fathers. Killing whole villages and erasing them from their maps so that historians would think God had made it empty just for the English.
The Americans after them burned crops and drove several species of bison to extinction just to starve the plains tribes. They pushed the blankets too. On top of the wars of extermination and scalp hunting and concentration and laws defining natives as non-persons so that weâd never be protected by the Constitution.
And even if you wanna live in some dreamy fairytale where God just made a whoopsie and then there were no natives left, nobody forced them to erase our history. The Spanish burned every document they found to erase the literacy and literary tradition of the Central and South Americans. There are essentially three Aztec documents left and some excavated pottery, and some archeological inscriptions and thatâs it. The single most advanced culture in math and anatomical medicine erased probably forever. Same to the Inca, the most advanced fiber and alloy engineers and economists gone forever. Nobody made them do that. Nobody forced the American colonizers to steal political technology and act like they invented democracy or sovereignty. Nobody forced them to build their cities on top of native ones and erase them from history forever. Baltimore was built on Chesapeake, which translates roughly to âcity at the top of the great waterâ in most Algonquin tongues. My favorite example is Cumberland in Western MD, they didnât even reshape the roads or anything, they paved the steps and walking paths natives had used for hundreds of years and now itâs almost impossible to drive cuz the streets are too narrow or steep. The culture that built them didnât have horses. Phoenix AZ, called Phoenix cuz the settlers literally found an old city and âbrought it back to life.â Did they save any history or cultural artifacts? No. Most cities on the east coast are like this. Nobody forced them to erase that history.
Colonizers are not innocent just cuz the germs did a lot of the work of the apocalypse.
You know what we need more of? Beginnerâs classes for adults.
Itâs supposed to be really, really good for you to keep learning new things as you age. It helps stave off strokes and dementia and Alzheimerâs and improves memory. And hey, learning stuff is fun.
But I really donât want to be infantilized when I try to learn something. And I definitely donât learn the way a child does. And honestly, what adult wants to be in the same class as children? Very few.
This occurred to me recently because Iâd like to learn how to actually ice skate properly. My parents never signed me up for classes, because it wasnât a thing they ever cared about or thought about. Now Iâm in my twenties and want to learn, and also donât want to be surrounded by a bunch of eight-year-olds who probably honestly skate better than I do. Because thatâs embarrassing, and embarrassment is not how you learn.
Would it be good to lose the social stigma of being worse at something than a child? Yes. Hell yes. But weâve got to start somewhere, and like I said: adults donât really learn the way kids do, and a lot of people use these kinds of activities to make friends, and I donât want to make friends with an eight-year-old, either.
So.
Beginnerâs classes for adults. Let adults suck at stuff and learn how to get better and learn new things and broaden their horizons, while still being treated as adults. Classes for writing, for pottery, for chess, for art, for instruments, for singing, for sports, for chemistry. For everything, dammit.
Hey, y'all in the notes: she wasn't asking you to call her beautiful or say she's adorable or "uwu she's so sweet i would die for her". She's asking you to interact with physically different creators regardless of if you think they're beautiful or not. Beauty standards are a farce and we need to stop implying that beautiful is the most important thing someone can be. Every person who says "oh she's so sweet I would die for her" or "anyone who calls her ugly is getting their kneecaps caved in": this is for you. You are being madly infantalising. It's like when you say to a fat person "oh you're not fat, you're cuddly" like, shut up! I thought we were past this by now. She is a PERSON and you are all scrambling to say just how beautiful you think she is, without even thinking about the message she is trying to send.
This isn't me saying she's ugly or whatever the fuck. I don't believe in ugly. This is me telling you all to stop being so fucking surface level with your beauty 'activism'. She knows what she looks like and she probably doesn't need hundreds of people infantalising her because they need to performatively show off how good they are and how much they don't care about traditional beauty standards. Grow up and interact with her like she's a person, not a fuckin three-legged puppy.
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You're not smarter than decades of neuroscience. It likely is the case that trans people have an issue with bodily mapping, but they don't have any regions of the brain missing in those areas like people with Bodily identity integrity disorder do. What they do have, however, is brain regions similar to the opposite sex. Everyone looks out into the world, sees men and women, and then looks at themselves. When trans people look inwards, their neurology tells them what they are, and that's identity
Holy strawman! Honey if i thought I was smarter than decades of neuroscience then why would I bother to read the studies and spend my time learning about the topic?
Brain (link) Sex (link) Doesnât (link) Exist (link). There is no such thing as a male or a female brain. Youâre not smarter than neuroscience either đ
Apart from one (which we will get round to in a minute), every single study that found brain differences in transgender subjects has a fatal design flaw: they recruited trans women attracted to men and trans men attracted to women. In other words, these transgender subjects, in relation to their biological sex, are homosexual. Brain differences in homosexuals are already well documented, and could obscure any additional brain differences that relate to being transgender. This is whatâs known as a confounding variable and it renders every single one of those studies, to put it technically, completely and utterly fucking useless lol.
Only one study I found actually separated subjects who referred to themselves as trans lesbians (who would be straight in relation to their biological sex)- most of this study operates under the assumption that brain sex is real and should therefore be viewed with skepticism, however the transbian subjects displayed some interesting brain differences which were completely unrelated to the now-debunked concept of brain sex:
As you said, the brain region associated with body integrity dysphoria has been identified - in the right parietal lobe, which you can probably guess is a mere fraction of an inch away from the right parieto-temporal junction. This evidence indicates huge similarities between the two types of dysphoria - but while there have been documented cases of people developing body integrity dysphoria after a head injury, there are no known cases of head injury transing somebodyâs gender. Luckily, the study goes on to explain why that might be:
(Note: Untreated here just means they havenât started HRT yet, which again would be a confounding variable). The putamen and thalamus, where transbians also display differences, are much closer to the brain stem than the parietal lobe. Any head injury that deep would kill you. Interestingly, the putamen and thalamus are also involved in sensory input and body mapping, among other things.
Finally Iâd like to drop the bomb that identity is a much, much broader concept than what your neurology tells you you are - youâre thinking of self image. Self image is admittedly a small part of identity, but the disconnect transgender people experience is an even smaller part of that:
The entire trans experience lies in mainly 1 but possibly 2 aspects of self image - and while this is almost certainly just a coincidence, these also happen to be the same aspects of self image that people with eating disorders have issues with. As a result, itâs fair to say that being trans is no more an âidentityâ than anorexia is. If you think gender identity is a valid identity according to the widely accepted definition of self image, you are employing logic which should mean you also think anorexic people are fat simply because they see themselves as such.
I hope you found these studies and definitions educational and that youâre open minded enough to have flexible views in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence. Iâd love that for you. Peaceâď¸
This is a story about a gender non-conforming girl being told over and over she canât do what she wants because sheâs a girl and instead of realizing how sexist and regressive that is they just keep pushing it from both sides. The idea that gender non-conforming girls are really boys is sexist horseshit.
Itâs saying âgirls canât be Xâ just like women and girls have been told throughout history. Now they say that if we want to be gender non-conforming we have to hate who we are, female, and try to be something we never will be, male.
You know how irritating it is to be told that existing how I naturally am is an imitation of men? As if I glued my body hair on and didnât just grow it due to being an adult, as if I didnât take makeup off but put something on to make my natural face look the way it does, as if doing anything outside of femininity was proof that I hate being a woman instead of an act of self love.
You know how terrifying it is to know there are people who would have seen me as a child and told me my problem was I needed surgery and hormones? You know how horrific it is that not liking pink and princesses as a child is enough to cause you a lifetime of medical experimentation because people canât accept unfeminine girls and women?
To me this might as well be the modern form of hospitalizing and medicating âunrulyâ women and girls. You can be gender non-conforming, but it comes at a price. You can be yourself, but only if you pretend youâre someone else.
I was trans and thank goodness I woke up to see it for what it is, a crock of sexist misogynistic regressive bullshit trying to pass itself off as progressive.
I am a gender non-conforming adult human female and I love myself. What gender non-conforming children and adults need is self love and acceptance, not to be pathologized.
The turning point in the story was jack saying âI am a boyâ. It wasnât about the fact that he doesnât like dresses or wants to be a superhero. His parents never said âhmm, this child doesnât like âgirlyâ things. I diagnose you with transgenderâ. It wasnât the parentsâ choice. It was jackâs.
I will agree that the story gives a somewhat stereotypical image of gender, and that gender identity and being trans are about a lot more than your opinion on dresses. But itâs a book for kids, meaning that, by nature, it is very simplistic and is not intended to be the end of a childâs learning experience (ie, there are a lot of childrenâs books about counting and simple math, and those are understood to not give a whole picture of mathematics, but instead to begin to develop a childâs understanding of numbers and maths). The book was designed to introduce children to the idea of being transgender, and open them up to a more in-depth understanding as they grow.
The book says, quite plainly, that if a girl rejects femininity then it is a sign that sheâs not really a girl. Thereâs nothing to defend here. And the fact that it is a book destined to children, as you rightly point out, is even more alarming. Because I guarantee you that if I had ever come accross this trash book as a child, I would have thought something was wrong with me and assumed I wasnât a girl but a boy and needed to change who I was.Â
âI will agree that the story gives a somewhat stereotypical image of genderâ
somewhat ? somewhat ?
Girls are blond and have long hair. They wear pink clothes in a pink room with a pink cake. They like ribbons, tutus, ballet, dresses, sparkles, unicorns and fairies.
Boys have short brown hair. They wear blue.They wear suits and ties. They like action games about exploring and being super heroes.
Thatâs somewhat stereotypical to you ? What more do you need ?
And if you agree that a book promotes sexit gender stereotypes then itâs not a good book for children, period.
âThe book was designed to introduce children to the idea of being transgenderâ
I did not âfigure outâ my âgender and gender expressionâ.
Gender is just another word for sex stereotypes, âJackââs story illustrates that clearly enough, and sex stereotypes are the cornerstone of sexism and patriarchy.
I didnât have to figure them out, they were taught to me and placed on me from the day I was born. Gender is being told your sex has to follow these rules our culture made for you, you fit in these roles, you do these things.
Gender is not my personality, it is not my fashion sense, it is not my likes and dislikes, it is not my sex. I may be gender non-conforming because of those things, but none of them are âgenderâ and there is no âmy genderâ because gender is done to me, not something I have or own.
âTrans people exist.â I am well aware or else we wouldnât be having this conversation. I think what you mean is âpeople who can be (or think like or feel like) the opposite sexâ. That is what I find offensive as it is built upon the foundation of sex stereotypes and therefor is sexist and further enshrines patriarchy. That is why trans activists and feminists are at an impasse. I canât fight my oppression with someone whoâs actively enforcing it.
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âJackâ is a literal child (presumably a five year old). Children donât understand biological sex, at that age itâs unlikely itâs been explained to them, but they are very familiar with sex stereotypes because they are surrounded by them.
To âJackâ the difference between boys and girls is the difference between liking pink, dresses, fairies, and ribbons and liking blue, ties, adventurers, and super heros. Of course a child that wants to be more like their role model of the opposite sex or who enjoys things that theyâre told are for or liked by the opposite sex is going to think âI am the opposite sexâ because them thatâs what separates the sexes.
The problem comes when adults donât take the time to explain to their child that they can like or do or wear whatever they like, but that doesnât make them the opposite sex. People canât change biological sex, but thatâs okay because itâs just a part of your body and doesnât change who you are as a person. You can be a girl and love baseball or be a boy and play with dolls, you can be yourself.
The moment an adult says âyes, actually you are the opposite sexâ is the moment they reaffirm sex stereotypes. Theyâre saying âyes, the difference between boys and girls really is just who likes blue and who likes pink.â Theyâre saying âsomething is wrong with you because youâre a girl who doesnât like girl things.â
Not to mention that a child doesnât understand that they canât change sex, like I said, most of them donât even know what sex is. They think it is just as simple as a haircut, a change of clothes, a new name, and different toys. Adults should know better. They know that theyâre setting their child up for a life of self loathing because âthey were born wrongâ/âtheir body is wrongâ/âthey were born in the wrong bodyâ. They know medical transition is setting their child up for a lifetime of dangerous under-researched medical intervention just to attempt to appear like the opposite sex.
Why? Why put a child through that? Why not just love them for who they are? The only reasons I can come up with are parents who are afraid their child will be homosexual or bisexual, parents who are so sexist they canât fathom someone being gender non-conforming, or parents who are using their child as a pawn in their own politics.
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Yeah, I donât doubt this book is meant to target children, it is a childrenâs book after all. It does exactly what I said it does, it tells children âdo you not like the things other boys/girls like? Youâre the opposite sex.â It enshrines sexist stereotypes, sets kids up for failure (since humans canât change sex), and does it all under the guise of âbeing yourselfâ.
Apparently âbeing yourselfâ means a lifetime of trying to change yourself into someone you never can be, but what do I know, Iâve just lived through it.
Everything Jackie in this book does is such a common girlhood experience. All of it was just a completely normal kid behaviour. I've also said in my childhood that I was a boy. I also was a dinosaur, a doctor, a cat, a horse and a lot of other things. When I was little, I would play with other girls and boys and we would switch pretending being moms and dads, so everyone would get to be in every role. I've hated my body as I grew older, because the restrictions of girlhood become tighter and crueler the older you get. I've wanted to be seen as person, but I've only been seen as girl.
When I became teenager, even though there wasn't any transgender regressivism shown down everyone's throats, I still thought about sex reassignment surgery, cause I hated bras, hated shaving, hated long hair, hated constantly being told that everything I liked wasn't for me, because I'm a girl. And boys of my age were completely free from all those restrictions.
When society constantly puts you down for the crime of being female and wanting to be a person, the hatred for womanhood is a logical conclusion.
I'm at precipice of 30 and only now I've finally grown into my body. And giant step in that road was widespreading of gender nonconforming women. So I could finally see, that nothing ever was wrong with me, I was just a normal girl, that grew up into a normal woman.
And transgender movement is once again robbing girls of the chance to just grow up and be seen as people. And that's horrifying.
Whenever I see people afraid of crossing the 25 year mark in their lives I want to tell them to cancel their subscription to societal expectations and start befriending actual old(er) people. Then youâll realize how fortunate you are to be growing w time, how much life is surrounding you, waiting for you to do whatever you want w it
I still canât get rid of feeling that IÂ âwastedâ my life. I still feel bad every time my birthday comes. On the other hand though, I learned several things...
- We stop developing at the age of 25, meaning itâs the actual time we reach full adulthood. Shouldnât this be time when our life actually starts and not ends?
- Apparently, âyoung adultâ is someone who is approximately from 20 to 40, depending on definition, middle age is defined either roughly 40-60 or, according to some psychologists, closer to 45-65. And itâs not counting older adults that come after that, who still exist and live their lives. Why the fuck do I feel old then? Who taught us that species that can live up to hundred years expire after turning 25? My grandma and her mother started to feel like their lives are fading away only when they crossed 75 years old mark. Thatâs 50 years more than number I have in my brain ingrained that is my âexpiration dateâ. My great grandma died one month before turning 100, by the way, and out of these extra 15 years she lived after reaching threshold, only 3 were actually bad. She was climbing fences with me when she was 80.
- Adulthood⢠is a scam. It just is. I heard a theory that weâre all â25âł after we reach this point because brain stop developing and the theory explored that itâs the reason why elderly are so grumpy, their mind is stuck in their youth, but body starts falling apart. Literally everyone I know who is in their 30s, 40s and 50s is the same dork as they were in 20s. When I talk to my grandma, at some point it feels like Iâm talking to a teenager/young person from another time and not âan old womanâ, whatever that might mean. And that is solely because she doesnât keep with new things, being an introvert, my older friends who actually do keep with progress and innovations can easily âpassâ as 20-somethings, especially online if you canât see their face. All these restrictions, all this âage appropriate behaviorâ, weird ass misconceptions about boring adult life and even more boring elderly years is a scam and constructed conformity that benefits nobody. Adult life isnât boring. By the way, contrary to popular belief, adults learn much better than children during their developing years, so donât restrict yourselves when it comes to hobbies or education.
I like a lot of these reflections. But just want to add one thing: Your brain may be âdoneâ developing in neurobiological terms at 25 *on average* ... but YOU are not done developing. Your experiences add up. Wisdom is a real thing that is built over time.
I am 24 myself and can only imagine who I will be once I am over 60 like one of my neighbors. She may not have ever traveled out of this country but she has been so many places in life. Situations I mean. And it really does show. She always pauses to think before answering on anything. She has equanimity in the face of shit I have no idea how to face.
Also not every old person is grumpy lol. Though I guess you may mean everyone hates facing chronic pain and illness, which is what advanced old age becomes. And yeah that is true. Your insight on how we can remember the elderly can be still just as vital and human in their consciousness as the young are is really important.
I'm turning 29 in a few days and I'm so goddam thankful that I found feminism when I did and that I got to see posts like this before 25, because this expiration date at 25 is such an absolute bullsh*t.
First half of my twenties absolutely sucked. I've only finally hit upturn a couple years back and now a year shy of 30 I feel like I'm finally living. This year may have been hard, but it was also a year that I've got to travel all on my own for the first time. I've finally gained some agency over my own life. I've started picking up new skills, rediscovered the joy of learning.
I don't care about our misogynistic pedophilic society anymore, that demands women to be forever young, imitating teenagers. I want to live, to grow old and become a crazy old hag, that had a life full of experiences and capable of facing any calamity without batting an eye.
.... Anyways, I will always be skeptical of radical feminists who choose to date/marry men. However, in my opinion, as long as they understand the true nature of men and admit that they're coping just to be happy with the men in their lives, whatever. I get it. I still love my dad despite the numerous things I've found out about him but thats a post for another time. And I still have romantic longings for men because I too am straight, so I get that aspect as well.
But as someone who was previously indoctrinated into conservatism and eventually altright nazi spaces from a young age, I have seen firsthand the shit men say and do when women aren't listening. You might say that those were a few bad men, but they weren't. They weren't. Men can be good but in the context of women and sex they can't be. They will still always hold onto their baseline misogyny, and they will always battle and struggle against it, and some of you can deal w that, but I can't deal with that shit anymore. I don't wanna make this a mile long textpost but this is the gist of it: date and fuck whoever you want. But don't deny the basic reality of men ladies. You're smarter than that.
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I miss those days too. Nowadays asexuality is considered a sexual orientation. Not surprising, since people also managed to equate atheism and religion. I quess the only thing left to wait for is people adding "bald" to hair colours...
A billboard on my high street bears a public health message. âBlack man over 45? You have an increased risk of prostate cancer. Early diagnosis can make a difference. Speak to your GP.â It ends with a Prostate Cancer UK logo and âMen, we are with you.â
I hope it prompted many men in my diverse borough to take a lifesaving test. When male biology is a medical issue the message is clear and direct. No one suggests this poster should address âpeople with prostatesâ so that trans men (ie natal females without prostates) wonât feel excluded. Or say âMen, trans women and non-binary people assigned male at birth, we are with you.â
In tweets which have resulted in vile misogynist abuse, JK Rowling objected to the term âpeople who menstruateâ replacing women and girls. âIf sex isnât real,â she wrote, âthe lived reality of women globally is erased.â
The first six paragraphs of NHS guidance on prostate screening uses âmen/manâ nine times; the first nine paragraphs on cervical screening uses âwomenâ once with a caveat about trans men. Health campaigns address âmenstruatorsâ or âpeople with cervixesâ even when lack of clarity might undermine the message, especially for women with poor English.
Worst of all, campaigners against female genital mutilation, many of them survivors themselves, are told FGM is a âtransphobicâ term, because the clitoris (which is sliced off in this vile crime) is not the only female sex organ.
If you believe that âtrans women are womenâ not just as a social/legal category (as I do) but are biologically female (as gender ideologues do) the penis is âfemaleâ too. Women must avoid words describing our bodies and reproductive capacity, even where theyâre vital to define and combat abuse.
In a long, eloquent essay, JK Rowling has now laid out why she has taken a stance which has caused particular outrage in the nuance-free US. âI refuse to bow down to a movement that I believe is doing demonstrable harm in seeking to erode âwomanâ as a political and biological class and offering cover to predators like few before it,â she writes. Millions of women, who stay silent for fear of abuse such as Rowling endured, will be grateful.
Iâd like those who denounce her, including graceless Daniel Radcliffe who owes everything to her genius, to answer one question. Why is âwomanâ a forbidden word, but âmanâ is not?