Regina being torture for Louis because he thinks maybe, just maybe, she might actually be his daughter. Regina being torture for Lestat because he knows instantly that she isn't.
I keep seeing people say that Lestat was lying to Louis to protect him by saying Regina didn't look like Claudia but I don't think that's what happened at all? Louis and Lestat both know that Regina *looks* like Claudia. The issue is that Louis is now so far gone and immersed in his grief that he genuinely thinks his daughter is back somehow, that this stranger *is* Claudia. He called Lestat and Lestat specifically because he is the only other person alive on the planet who truly knew their daughter as a person, who knew her as their daughter. Lestat is being completely honest - he's saying despite looking identical to Claudia, Regina is nothing like Claudia. She doesn't have her experiences, she doesn't have her ailments, it is not Claudia looking back at him behind her eyes. It's not her.
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it's just beautiful that the person louis reaches out to with something he feels so much shame about is lestat, and that lestat still goes and helps him even though he is hurt by louis. they love each other so much
These people blocked me on both Twitter and Tumblr, and then someone used a burner account to go off on me on Twitter. This person insisted that I was singlehandedly responsible for the project falling.
There will always be a new (or in this case, technically revitalized) fandom that is puritan-proof. Absolutely nobody could be a performative pearl-clutcher and enjoy this specific media, right?
very curious as to where youâre afraid lestat and armand might go? iâve never been invested in that relationship but get why they have their fans.
Hi anon! I'm glad the tags cleared some things up for you:) but to answer your first question, first I just want to reiterate that my feelings on where I think this might be going are not necessarily a criticism of the show, at least not yet, but rather about my own expectations as a fan, and what I WANT to see. As I said in my tags, I'm a hypocrite because I am as protective and biased towards my favorite evil vampire as much as the next person and have formed certain expectations because of it that may not reflect an objective reality lol. Anyway, I'm putting this behind a read more for speculation, and for length.
Where I think the finale is going: there are scenes from the final trailer with Lestat and his fledglings (including TC) sitting around a long table, which seems to be the table Magnus referenced in episode three. One shot has Daniels head coming through the ceiling as he berates Lestat, and Lestat says himself in his voice over that Daniel will seek revenge on him for his telepathic prank. There is speculation going around, that I agree with, that Daniel and possibly Armand will find a way to subdue Lestat somehow (possibly by beheading him? There are hints) to stop him from continuing with his music (Armand) and/or to get in his head (Daniel) and as a result at least part of the episode will take place inside of Lestat's head as he is finally forced to confront his Failures.
In terms of Armand and Lestat this season, the show has been a bit cagey about a couple of things with them. Lestat keeps bringing up the trial, but it hasnt been revisited. Also, Lestat and Armand's involvement around Nicki's death seems a bit murky as of right now: Lestat is taking most of the responsibility, even saying Armand did him a favor by doing what he couldn't in putting Nicky out of his misery, but is quietly refusing to address Nicky's accusation that he cheated on him with Armand as well as Armand's reference to him "sharing his body" with him and the coven. So, given that Rolin has said Armand has a big role in the finale, I think the finale will do one of two things regarding this relationship: Option 1: it will follow book canon and it will be revealed that Armand had a much bigger hand in Nicky's demise, that anything physical that happened between him and Lestat in the past was either dubcon or outright noncon, and/or Armand had a much bigger hand in forcing Lestat to participate in the trial than he has admitted to thus far. OR, Option 2: the show will do the opposite and reveal that Lestat's guilt over advancing Nicky's psychosis by cheating on him and gaslighting him, as well as his guilt over freely participating in the trial, is causing him to unfairly blame Armand for his own actions, and this will be one of the Failures he has to admit to himself, which would be an inversion of the book.
Now I can't speak to whether or not this is good or bad writing or better for the show because honestly I can't be objective about it because Lestat is my favorite character and option 1 is what I WANT and expected to see. Like I freely admit that lmao you will not get any arguments from me that I am speaking as a fan, not as an objective critic. With that I mind I, personally, think option 2 kind of flattens both characters: if everything happened as told so far, then Lestat's beef with Armand in the past storyline is flimsy: yes, Armand kidnapped his boyfriend and led him and his mother to a cult orgy, but Lestat immediately dismantled said cult, and arguably had a bigger hand in Nicky's death than Armand did by turning him and then lying to him. Which means, Lestat hated Armand because he found him and the cult kind of boring and lame and would rather hang out with his mom? If that's the case, why didn't Lestat tell Louis and Claudia about other vampires/the coven back in Nola? Why did he tell them other vampires are vicious? He would have basically been holding a grudge against Armand for no reason, which is a total inversion of one of his major characteristics in the book, where he is empathetic to such a degree he can't hold a grudge to save his life. And it weakens Armanstat, because the beauty of that ship is that Lestat *does* love him, is attracted to him, understands him and eventually wants him around, but will never ever see him as a romantic option because Armand snapped when they first met and violated not just him but everyone he cares about. Whereas if none of that happened, Lestat just doesn't fuck with Armand because he's boring? Because he reminds him of how he failed Nicky? Idk it's weak, to me at least. And worse, it makes his treatment of Louis and Claudia worse, when the whole point of TVL is to provide the context of his behavior, and to alleviate the misunderstandings he and Louis had of each other. So far they are only doing this through Gabriella, which takes a lot of heat off Armand and makes the changes to her character feel a bit compensatory for making HIM less awful as well as just contextualizing Lestat's trauma and idk if I like that.
Which brings me to Armand. As I already mentioned, I've *been* annoyed about the drop, not just because it never happened in the book, but because they changed it from something that Armand does *to* Lestat, something that further shattered any chance of a romantic relationship between them, and instead made it something Lestat does to Louis, who is supposed to be the love of his life. And it would bother me less if they let Armand be equally awful on the show, but instead the pattern has been to either remove Armand's worst actions or recontextualize them so they aren't as bad. If option 1 happens, that would alleviate this, but if not? If it's option 2? Then that means Armand has been made totally passive in a way that feels unbalanced to me: unlike in the books, he never cuts off Nicky's hands, he never throws his coven into the fire (they offed themselves, according to him) he never mindfucked Claudia into trying to kill herself, he never mindfucked Louis into turning Madeline against his will, he never had a child sex slave (Dennis), he never pushed Lestat off the tower, he never assaulted Lestat, and his participation in the trial that killed Louis and Claudia is passive - it's an inaction, a decision not to stop something already in motion because he's scared of being alone instead of a decision he actively makes to keep Louis, as it was in the book. He never performed Frankenstein experiments on Claudia and Madeleine - instead Santiago violated their ashes. Even DM is kind of defanged in the show - Armand tortured Daniel when he is a stranger, but afterwards lovingly looks after him without his knowledge, whereas in the book chapter he actively makes Daniel addicted to his blood, makes him dependent on him, it's a very dark cat and mouse game that to me is way more interesting. If Daniel's turning was violent or noncon, it has happened off screen, as of now. Compare this to how Lestat has been handled - the most visceral, visually horrible act of violence thus far on the show happened directly from Lestat's hands onto the other main character, this after the show established a much bigger power difference between them then there ever was in the books. In the books, Lestat is seen weeping holding Claudia's dress during the trial, giving an enormous hint that he was distraught and didn't want to be there, whereas on the show they made his involvement ambiguous. Armand's tragic backstory was given to the audience within two episodes of introducing his character, giving us context for his actions before he even did anything bad. Lestat's back story was pushed to season 3, and his feelings towards Louis and Claudia are only just now beginning to be addressed with two episodes left. From my perspective, as a fan of both characters in the book, I can't help but feel that, right now on this moment, one is being portrayed more empathetically than the other by the writers. Like, everyone is excited that Armand is finally going "full gremlin" this episode by killing Larry, but it feels weak to me because it feels like revenge for Lestat doing a mild diss track, and/or part of a plan to get Lestat to stop encouraging the great conversion, which is honestly the right thing to do. And as much as I like Larry, he's ultimately like, an NPC yk? Like yeah it's evil but why isn't Armand allowed to be a villain directly towards the actual main characters for a while, the way he was in the books? Why are Lestat and Gabriella more fucked up instead? Why is the fact that he mindfucked Louis for 77 years unaddressed? It just doesn't make sense to me. But of course this is coming from a Lestat stan, I imagine Armand fans have very different feelings about all of this, and that's fine. I'm not trying to argue, I have already admitted that I am biased and not speaking objectively. But as you said, the rift in the fandom is a direct result of 1x05, and nothing Armand has done has been fully allowed to equal that. If Armand does harm Lestat in these next two episodes, people would be cheering lol like it just feels unbalanced!
Obviously this is where I'm sitting at this moment in time and I could be totally off base, or the writers could very well get me on board with whatever they got cooked up in these last two episodes. I'm definitely willing to wait and see! But one area I won't be a hypocrite is if things happen in a way I don't Iike will simply stop watching lol like I said in my original posts, it's a me problem, not necessarily a problem with the show, and I would just have to decide if I can continue to enjoy it or not. It wouldn't be the first time I dropped a show because I didn't enjoy it anymore, and it won't be the last. And it wouldn't even be my pettiest reason for doing so. So I'm just gonna wait and see!
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I saw a few posts of folks who were saying they thought that Regina and fake-Madeline kissing at the restaurant was unnecessary...especially since we never saw Claudia and Madeline kiss. But, I think that was honestly kind of the point. Just like Regina not quite getting the accent right was part of the point. This whole thing isn't working.
Regina isn't Claudia. So she doesn't know...she doesn't know that the relationship between Claudia and Madeline was far deeper and more complex than just sex. She's doing the standard 'man hires two women for roleplay' thing of making out with the other woman. But that just highlights that it isn't real.
Part of what makes the whole thing so upsetting (and part of what makes Louis keep returning, imo) is that it's not working. He's trying to fill the Claudia-shaped hole in his heart and Regina just isn't doing it. But he's convinced himself that if he just keeps trying he can make it work, so he keeps coming back with different scenarios and whatnot.
i really do think the lestat and gabriella relationship is so well done when it comes to the incestual abuse. lestat is obviously struggling with it, dreaming about their relationship and waking up unsettled. he hides that gabriella is his mother because he knows the questions and comments he will get, he lies to everyone to make sure no one finds out the truth. he becomes defensive when trying to explain it. he's ashamed and confused and agitated. when he sets boundaries, she crosses them; when he rebuffs her, she abandons him. he spirals in her absence, growing increasingly desperate for the love he craves so badly, the love she used to get him into bed the first time, and he will take it any way he can get it, because that's the only value he's been taught to see in himself for other people, partly by her.
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the way people are complaining that L*stat was too mean to L*uis this ep when in reality the person L*stat was super shitty to was REGINA by implying she is in control of the situation lmao like whack him for repeating history by prioritizing L*uis' feelings over the well-being of a vulnerable girl who got caught up in their shit yet again
Regina being torture for Louis because he thinks maybe, just maybe, she might actually be his daughter. Regina being torture for Lestat because he knows instantly that she isn't.
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