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h*ated r*valry not only did irreparable damage to fandom containment but also introduced a bunch of people to sports rpf who do not get the premise of either sports or rpf

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"My contention is that prior to the Trojan war, the political structures of the Greek kingdoms, especially in the island territories could most aptly be characterized as...
Ofc that's your contention. You're a young aristocrat who just finished listening to some wandering poet, probably that hack from Pylos. You'll be convinced of that until next month when you hear the bard from Sparta. Then you'll be taking about how the kingdoms of Mycenae and Thebes were models of divine rulership back in our grandfathers' time. That will last until next year when you're back to regurgitating Mentor's speeches about the sacred bonds between king and people and the divine right of succession.
"Well as a matter of fact I won't because Mentor completely overlooks the importance of...
"Mentor completely overlooks the importance of the council of elders in tempering royal authority, especially in matters of inheritance..." you got that from Halitherses' speech at last year's spring festival, right? Yeah, I heard that too. Were you going to plagiarize the whole thing for us? Do you have any thoughts of your own on this matter? Or is that your thing. You come to a feast, quote some elder, and pawn it off as your own idea to impress Penelope and embarrass my son Telemachus?"
incredible public service by Nolan filming Odyssey and unleashing all these bants
pop health science is so annoying bc it'll be like "did you know? eating strawberries will give you mega cancer" and you're like pfft whatever begone influencer. but sometimes then you'll see a reasonably credible article like "Study Shows Possible Link Between Strawberries and Mega Cancer" and you're not usually the type to follow that kind of thing religiously but idk maybe you should consider not eating strawberries? but then there's another article saying "Strawberry/Mega Cancer Study Debunked" and it turns out the original study had a sample size of 3 and was funded by Big Blueberry, and strawberries may have a small connection to mega cancer but only if you are genetically predisposed to mega cancer and eat 50 strawberries every day. so you return to your strawberry eating life. but whenever you eat strawberries in public someone tells you about the mega cancer.
jerma: listen... i just really like strawberries and bananas! (suppressed giggle) it's not- it's not weird to like fruit. to enjoy a yummy strawberry on a summer's day! (looks at chat) "strawberries are weird and gross". what?! huh?!? listen to yourself!! what are you even saying?!?
the game he's playing: [grinding corpses to viscera in an abandoned hospital]
northernlion: Do. Do you ever think about those half-time events where they give away free tuition to whichever college student could sink a basketball into the hoop? How fucked up would it be if you were the person who didn't sink in a basketball and your only thought while an entire stadium is applauding your classmate is "If I'd only sunk one more ball in I wouldn't have had crippling debt"? They got college students out here in the damn hunger games and what? (reads chat) "...hey NL it's just for fun you know what fun is right". you're morally bankrupt. and you will never see the light of heaven. motherfucker. (shouting) AT LEAST IF THEY WERE KILLING EACH OTHER FOR SPORT WE COULD BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON THERE!!! (adjust headphones) Anyway...
the game he's playing: [pastel emoji matching game]
The Worst That Could Happen
They tell you: "Just ask her out! What's the worst that could happen?"
Well, hypothetically, here's a thing that could happen.
You could take her out for ice cream. It's kind of corny. It feels like ice cream on an afternoon is for teens, not for adults, but you want to do something low-pressure. For months now, you have been spending time with her, sometimes one-on-one, sometimes in a big group, but usually it was you and her trailing behind the rest of the group.
After months, you gather your courage, and ask her out for ice cream, just you and her. It's an actual date, not a hobby activity you happen to share (you got a lot of those, too). It's a beautiful day. The city is full of cherry blossoms. After the ice cream, you take her hand, you tell her that you want to go steady, be together, take it to the next level, and you go for a kiss (briefly, no tongue).
Only at this point does she tell you that she doesn't want to ruin your friendship. You accept, somewhat disappointed.
You had something planned together already. Not as a couple, just as friends. You wanted to host a barbecue together and watch a game, but now you're unsure if you should bring the grill and the meat to her place next week. She says she wants to be friends, and to go ahead with the party.
Then she blocks you in everything. You awkwardly un-invite all the people from the barbecue. She starts to avoid at all the things you used to share. You ask a friend of a friend to just talk to her so and ask what's up. If she's avoiding the Go club because of you, you'd be willing to quit and let her have it. Same with her favourite bar. You hear from a friend of a friend that you really screwed up, and that it's all your fault, and that she didn't deserve this, whatever this is. He doesn't know how you screwed up, but the friend of a friend says this is what a friend of hers told a friend of his.
You hear from a another friend that she is leaving for Finland for four months. You do not get to say goodbye. You knew she had this planned. She told you all about this when you were still on speaking terms.
Later that year, you see her at a house party. You do your best to ignore her. You knew she'd be back from Finland by that time, but you didn't know she'd be at the party. She still has you blocked on everything. She tells a friend of yours about a local Jazz quintet doing a concert with a visiting vocalist, for the benefit of the music academy. She wants you to be there. You dress up. It's you, her, your friend, and your friend's girlfriend. You're alone together for a minute. She tells you she wants things to go back to normal. She wants to be friends again. You ask what that means, what exactly she wants, and if you can please talk about what happened, what you did wrong, briefly, just once, so you can understand, so you know how to act around her. You get the hint, but why block you? She doesn't want to talk about it. You ask what she wants you to do, going forwards.
She just says "I don't want to talk about it."
She unblocks you on everything. She occasionally asks you to tag along to picnics, concerts, or the beach, but she doesn't want to go to your place, even when it's fun stuff she likes in a large group such as the Mario Party party or the Samurai Gunn tournament or the documentary film night. You go through the motions and keep her on the mailing list, because you pretend it didn't happen. She joins Go club again. Things are awkward.
Slowly everything normalises. She invites you to do things together, "but not as a date".
A year passes. You drift apart.
She excitedly tells you about a video game she has bought for her Playstation, with couch co-op mode. You're interested. Like, legitimately interested in the game. It's not a lame excuse. You ask her if she wants to play it together. She tells you to come by her place Saturday afternoon.
That's the last time you speak. That Thursday, she blocks you on everything.
Hypothetically.

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Earlier this year, I posted about the agony of helping my mother plant vegetables and re-pot tomato plants. She shut everything down.
A bit later I had a conversation with all my family members, mother last, about the kinds of jams and preserves they like. My father likes certain preserves, but he would never go into the cellar and grab a jar of plums, or cherries, or apple-sauce. He wouldn't even open a bottle of home-brewed cider. He's completely passive. It would never in a million years occur to him to go down the stairs and get some marmalade. My father wants me to grow chili peppers, but he rarely uses them. Instead, when it's harvest time, I dry them, and then he buys chili powder at the store anyway. He doesn't like the varieties of apples in the garden. He eats lots of apples, but he buys new ones at the store.
My sister doesn't eat breakfast. She has coffee for breakfast and that's it. She doesn't eat marmalade. She likes marmalade, but she doesn't eat it. She uses home-cooked bottled tomato sauce and salsa. My sister would prefer fruit to preserved in 300ml jars and savoury sauces in 700ml bottles.
Mother often talks about opening a jar of plums, but she never actually does. She doesn't ever open a jar of marmalade that is older than six months. The next year, she says "Why not open the good stuff first? I don't want to eat the old marmalade!" This way, there's marmalade from 2010 that has never been opened. She likes apple-sauce, but she would rather cook it fresh from store-bought apples. She would never open a jar of her own home-canned cherries, because she didn't take out the pits. She would never drink the preserved apple juice.
Nobody actually ever opens a bottle of apple juice, or a jar of cherries. Everybody buys cherries and even apple juice when they need to cook or bake something with apples.
As a result, there's marmalade in her basement that is ten years old, and there are large jars of canned plums nobody eats, large jars of canned cherries nobody eats, bottles of cider and apple juice and home-brewed wine and so many apples. Apart from one of the trees, they don't really store well, but every year, I help harvest the apples and the pears and the cherries and three different types of plums, and then nobody eats the preserves.
But this year, I talked to everybody, and I got everybody on the same page, and I even got mother to agree that this is dumb. I took charge of jams and preserves, and I worked out how many jars of cherries we actually eat, how many jars of marmalade we need, and so on. If some cherries or strawberries go to waste, that's ok. If some plums go to waste, well, I don't like them anyway. I got mother to agree to only make preserves she actually eats, and unless we make cider again, we're not juicing all the apples.
There was already a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, because mother wanted me to no be so fast with all the cherries, but I got a large pot and 20 small canning jars and I canned 8 kg of cherries – the cherries I like to eat, prepared the way I like to eat them – in one day. Usually, she processes 2 kg of fruit per day, as the buckets and baskets of harvested fruit pile up in her kitchen. This year we made 3 kg of strawberry marmalade only, and some rhubarb marmalade. I decided to make syrups out of the berries instead of jam, because we have so much jam from last year, and we made 2.5 litres of syrup. I opened some jars from 2018 and dumped out the stuff that wasn't edible any more. I even popped out all of the pits of the cherries before canning them, which mother never does, because she says it's too much work, but then the cherries spoil faster and there's cyanide in the jar. Not enough to kill you, but more than necessary.
Basically, somehow I got my way. I talked to mother in a calm and measured way, and I explained that we don't have to eat all the cherries and strawberries and apples just so they don't go to waste, and we don't even have to make preserves if we never eat the preserves. Even then, when we make preserves, we should make sure that we actually want to eat them, and prepare them according to our tastes.
Year after year, this was a point of contention, and mother made me climb into the trees and harvest cherries she didn't need, or she made me juice every last fallen apple, even though we don't drink apple juice. And this year, she just listened to me, and she agreed that we don't need that much marmalade. This year, she admitted that she doesn't like pits in her canned cherries. She admitted that it doesn't make sense to make preserves you know you won't eat.
For years, it felt so... mentally draining to have to help her with all the harvesting and preserving, knowing it would all go to waste in five to ten years anyway. I wonder if she remembers this next year.
Not tto backseat or nothing, but, uh, why not give away the old preserves (friends, neighbors, food donation) if they were still edible but nobody "local" ate them?
> Not to backseat
Yeah, this isn't really about that, and I appreciate your awareness. About 20 years ago, my grandmother was like mother is now, and she told us she'd cut down the trees if we don't help her harvest, even thought it's more than she eats. But these days, my father doesn't even like to eat the apples and cherries in the garden, he mostly planted the trees for shade and aesthetics.
> give away the old preserves
It's not that easy. Neighbours wouldn't appreciate having 2kg of fresh cherries dumped on them, but they also wouldn't appreciate three 1kg jars of preserved cherries (with liquid and everything), especially when they are four years old and about to chemically decompose – still technically edible, but no longer appealing. So you'd have to give them away after two years, or something like that. Also, mother kept the pits in when she preserved cherries or baked cake. Also, mother used grandma's old re-usable canning canning jars. She wouldn't give them away. I wouldn't. If I want to gift somebody preserved fruit, I would do so as close after harvesting/canning as possible, and I would buy new, smaller jars with twist-off lids, just for gifting.
Giving somebody cherries in a jar and then asking for the jar back makes you look like a stingy weirdo. Giving somebody cherries that are already getting kind of mushy makes you look like a jerk. Giving somebody canned cherries with the seeds still in them makes you look completely unhinged.
Now imagine you have neighbours who also have apple trees, who also have cherry trees. That mean your neighbours won't be excited about a bottle of apple juice, but they might take 5kg of apples. They won't be excited about preserved cherries, but they might take 1kg of fresh cherries, but you'll still have to sort through them and you can't give them any bad ones.
They say you should completely empty your cherry tree, because otherwise the larva or "worms" in the cherries will mature and hibernate near your cherry tree, and then next year they will mate and lay eggs in your cherries, and you get more worms. The problem is mother doesn't have "a cherry tree". She's got multiple, the neighbours have multiple, the nearby park has multiple, and there are cherry trees at the edge of the forest. The neighbour's cherry trees are up to 20m in height, and our own are getting there. It's completely impossible to keep the bugs at bay. It doesn't matter if you completely empty your own trees from cherries, and dispose of the worms ones, because there's a cherry tree in your neighbour's garden that is too tall, and there's another one that nobody bothered to harvest. No matter what you do, the larva in your neighbour's cherries will turn into bugs, and they will lay eggs in your own cherries next year.
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My point was just this: I asked mother what she actually wants to eat. For the first time, after years of talking to a brick wall, I got her to admit that she doesn't eat most of the jams and preserves she makes. This is great progress!
pop health science is so annoying bc it'll be like "did you know? eating strawberries will give you mega cancer" and you're like pfft whatever begone influencer. but sometimes then you'll see a reasonably credible article like "Study Shows Possible Link Between Strawberries and Mega Cancer" and you're not usually the type to follow that kind of thing religiously but idk maybe you should consider not eating strawberries? but then there's another article saying "Strawberry/Mega Cancer Study Debunked" and it turns out the original study had a sample size of 3 and was funded by Big Blueberry, and strawberries may have a small connection to mega cancer but only if you are genetically predisposed to mega cancer and eat 50 strawberries every day. so you return to your strawberry eating life. but whenever you eat strawberries in public someone tells you about the mega cancer.
If someone tells me they couldn't imagine having my disabilities and chronic pain and that they would die, I reframe it in my mind. I thank them for understanding how hard life can be.
I remember how many disabled people would lash out bitterly as if insulted. And then I thought that perhaps it was about trying to understand, to relate somehow, to connect. And a lot of disabled people were so used to everyone else pitying them that they translated attempts to relate as worse pity. I think that even if the abled person did mean it, that they would die, I would be kind about it and compassionate. Because many of us die. We should at least acknowledge that it can be terrible.
Sometimes it feels like you have to put up a brave front. It's not so bad, I'm used to it! But I still don't have all the support needs access I would really need. It's frustrating. It's frustrating to be disabled. I can't punish someone who doesn't know what my life is like just for poorly attempting to connect. I can help give them information and emotional understanding.
I also think a lot of people who say that would discover, if the opportunity arose, that their will to live is stronger than expected. We are remarkably adaptable.
But not infinitely adaptable; your point is well taken.
if you think about it, all mary's room is showing is the limits of language to communicate information. language (including math) is just one channel of information, different from audio or visuals or smell.
of course language cant communicate the same type of information as these other channels can, but that doesnt necesarily make those other channels more magical. more necessitating of conciousness as a magical non physical thing
Part of me does wonder a bit why the Pre-Raphaelites and their descendants had such a hard-on for rendering things. Take the architectural paintings of Henry Roderick Newman, an American Pre-Raphaelite (yes, there were a few of those);
Tumblr may crush the quality of those, so I’m going to zoom in on a few details here—
He has individually rendered every discolored, separate tile on the facade of the Duomo in Florence…
And this relief of Isis is divided into discrete blocks of stone. He’s drawn every outline.
Now, the effect is very crisp and sharp and beautiful, but I feel like this is a great way to drive yourself to madness! What was the point of working like this? How long did it take Newman to complete each of these? I mean, dear god.
Drawing bricks sounds easier than actually drawing whole buildings, or, god forbid, people. I can't draw faces or hands to save my life, but bricks? Easy peasy.
I think Victorians admired detailed architectural drawings in general. One of the books that made John Ruskin the foremost art critic in England was The Stones of Venice, three volumes and 1,400 pages with lots of drawings of the individual stones of the buildings. And they really admired hard work; Whistler's Nocturnes caused a minor scandal for being painted too quickly.
I guess maybe the most famous pre-Raphaelite painting of all is John Everett Millais's Ophelia.
It looks very nice, right? Colorful. How long do you think it took to paint?
I was quite surprised to learn that Millais worked 11-hour days for five months to render the vegetation, plus a few more months for the figure. "Sometimes magic is just someone spending more time on something than anyone else might reasonably expect."
Shit. I was thinking yeah, of course it would take forever to draw individual bricks of a building, but it would be doable. I was bad at copying paintings for art class back in high school, but anything that was made up of a lot of small distinct shapes was doable, it just took a shit ton of time. And now I'm learning it just took a shit ton of time!
And, well, if I had several days to make a pencil drawing and then several days to paint over it with oil, paint by number style, I think I actually could do a decent job. Not as good as these people of course, but way easier than a portrait. I just couldn't paint a portrait of a person, even if I had two weeks.

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Everyone needs to stop saying death of the author when what they mean is separating the art from the artist. Like FR stop it.
I know it's mainly just ignorance of what the term means but I do wonder if this happens in part bcos 'death of the author' sounds so dramatic like oh this author is dead to me, I don't care about them anymore. Whereas 'separating the art from the artist' is a lot more neutral and well. In CERTAIN CASES it is kind of immediately apparent that you cannot.
TO REITERATE:
Death of the Author is a term coined by Roland Barthes for his essay of the same name in 1967.
In brief: death of the author is the concept that analysis of a work of art should not be focused on the artist's intent; the artist's intended reading of their own work is just A reading and no more valid than anyone else's.
A good straightforward example of this in practice is the response to Andy Weir and Project Hail Mary. Weir is adamant that his work contains no politics but I would say that PHM is pretty clearly a story about climate change.
You can apply death of the author to any work of fiction and it has nothing to do with whether the author is a good or bad person.
No, that's not what Roland Barthes meant by that!
Part of me does wonder a bit why the Pre-Raphaelites and their descendants had such a hard-on for rendering things. Take the architectural paintings of Henry Roderick Newman, an American Pre-Raphaelite (yes, there were a few of those);
Tumblr may crush the quality of those, so I’m going to zoom in on a few details here—
He has individually rendered every discolored, separate tile on the facade of the Duomo in Florence…
And this relief of Isis is divided into discrete blocks of stone. He’s drawn every outline.
Now, the effect is very crisp and sharp and beautiful, but I feel like this is a great way to drive yourself to madness! What was the point of working like this? How long did it take Newman to complete each of these? I mean, dear god.
Drawing bricks sounds easier than actually drawing whole buildings, or, god forbid, people. I can't draw faces or hands to save my life, but bricks? Easy peasy.
Real Rorschach Test: Let's examine your responses as a jumping off point to help you understand your own mind better.
What people think the Rorschach Test is: The inkblots can read your thoughts. The inkblots know you better than you know yourself. The inner workings of your mind are naked before the omniscience of the inkblots.
I am always shocked that media can’t differentiate psychologists from psychics. The amount of undergrad Psychology graduates who are functionally omniscient is truly staggering.
It probably didn't help that at some point they tried to "standardise" the ink-blots of "The" Rorschach test. That led some people to believe that there were "correct" answers.
if i could give one piece of advice to newly transitioning trans men, it's that it's 100% possible to find a community of people (including women!) who don't treat you as a threat, and the people trying to convince you otherwise are not your friends
The companies developing new weight-loss medicines have a problem: the balance of power has shifted, and patients are bailing out of their c
Apparently awareness of GLP-1 drugs is high enough that control groups fall apart when people are able to realize they’re being given placebos after not getting quick results

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FWIW, use of "performance enhancing drugs" such as steroidsbis supposedly an open secret in American Special Operations forces. There's even been conversation (from people who aren't political leadership) about a process to "responsibly" do this officially.
My understanding is that a lot of men in the USA do have "normal but historically actually really low" testosterone, and which seems like a real public health issue, but it's become a whole Thing for deeply concerning manosphere types who are very attached to a particular form of macho BS.
I have full confidence that Hegseth will act on this in the stupidest possible way.
Militaries the world over have a long history of pumping various Fun And Interesting chemicals into their troops to varying success (see here basically every air force in WWII running on meth). If anything, finding a way to boost testosterone production during training would be less likely to screw up your system than half the things they're already putting in them. Y'know, modulo being implemented by someone not Hegseth.
AFAIK the discussion on "official" steroid use in the military is as much a response to many, many cases of soldiers trying to DIY steroids and injuring themselves in the process. A friend I was talking to recalled multiple cases of men developing breasts, and in one case even lactating, because they botched their testosterone boosting regiment due to a lack of medical knowledge.
Also meth has been implicated in scandals of SOF guys doing weird crimes.