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Note:

Not a lot of it is set in stone, but there are some general aspects that you guys should know at least until I finalize the actual Magic system. For me personally, narrowing/writing down a coherent Magic system is difficult since there is a ton of things I'd have to be consistent with/consider when crafting one, especially when the original source material didn't have really anything to work with.

With that aside, please remember this might not be final. I wanted to make this post really because I wanted to share the general idea on how it could function within the AU, even when I myself don't know every direct corner of it.

Anyways lets get into it✨

FW: long post

The original Magic System in Wish

The original Magic System in wish is a incoherent mess. Although some people might not find it as a huge issue, since understandably the movie already has a lot of problems to focus on, Wish is actively a conjunction of inconsistencies, unexplored ideas, and one off mentions that negatively impact the story that not a lot of people that I'd seen had touch upon in regards to how the magic system functions in general.

One liners

This to many people may not be a huge issue, however when someone says something that CAN be related to magic, like when Asha says this in Magnifico's office:

It can lead one to believe that "oh they mention this [insert specific thing that a character says] as a form of foreshadowing!"

Although not EVERY movie has to do this, I find it odd that it wasn't even used in the final battle or at all in the movie. This doesn't break the movie, it just makes it more odd that Magnifico has a book on fire magic, but never uses it throughout the movie.

However there is at least one line in the movie that COMPLETELY undermines the villain transformation for Magnifico:

Not a lot of people might even remember this scene since it is literally one scene, but the fact that Dahlia and Amaya were able to read from the book without consequences BUT WITH something that would have prevented Magnifico's turn from evil, IT DOES ACTIVELY UNDERMINE IT.

Think about it. Although Magnifico was under a lot of stress and upset at the crowd before he opened the book, IF he thought it more through (and this GOES WITH THE FIRST SCENE WITH HIM AMAYA AND THE BOOK), he could have had opened it with at least some form of protection. This was also NOT mentioned at all DURING the duration of the film and it makes it obvious that it was the writers way of giving Amaya and Dahlia plot armor in order to make a point to the audience on how 'Magnifico wont turn back to good' because they sloppily committed to the ""classic villain"" trope (plus I find it odd that only Amaya knows this oil and not Magnifico).

So yes, although one liners can just be one liners, but when it comes to mentioning something that connects to how a system works, it does matter. Cause it can accidently undermine character arcs, add layers of inconsistency and add questions that will never be answered.

Inconsistent Magic

Magic is fun to play around with when you know what you are doing with it, how it effects the world and people, the limits, and overall concept of what you want to shape the system.

Wish does not know what to do with it's own magic system, leading to inconsistencies and desired answers.

1st question: What is Magnifico's limit? What does he know? What does he not know?

Answer: I do not know. The movie does not have a consistent answer. Magnifico can take wishes, he can create pretty lights (like at the wish ceremony), can grant people's desire, can set security spells, and lift up a pencil with magic (and this is without the magic book).

Something frustrating is how useless a few spells are like the security spell, since Magnifico still got a hold of the book anyway, so why have it? Plus the floating pencil spell might not seem like a big deal, I feel like it was just shoved in there to show "Hey! This guy can do magic!". Which like: Yeah, we already know that but first impressions are everything. Plus neither of these spells are never used again.

(Would like to mention that Magnifico did not have to use magic to write. He has hands. Unless it is to show that he has a overreliance on magic but genuinely I DONT EVEN KNOW. THE MOVIE DOES NOT GIVE A LOT OF CLUES TO BEGIN WITH)

And before Magnifico's turn to villainy, his limit on Magic is unanswered. What does he not have that the book provides? You can say that he takes the wishes like 1 every month so one can assume that it takes a lot of energy to grant and take a wish from someone, but this is dropped instantly when you remember Magnifico seemed unfazed when we first see him take the wishes from the 2 people from the wish ceremony and when granting one.

2nd Question: What is the origin of the Magic Book? Why does Magnifico Have it? Who wrote it? Why is it possessed? What is it's limits? And again (which I feel like is a big deal): What does it have that Magnifico wants?

Answer: Again, I do not know.

It isn't answered on where he found it/who made it/why he has it. And it isn't made clear on what it can't do. All it does is change Magnifico's magic colors from blue to green. A hot take, but I think everything that he does under the magic book's possession is something he can already do without the need of the book. Throwing it into the uselessness territory, and making it just a obvious plot device to force him into the role of villain.

Although the movie made it so that it was a desperate need for him to use the book when threatened by the light of a star, it doesn't give him answers (including the audience) on the stars itself. We don't even get a mention of it. You can try and count "Im a Star" as the films sloppy way of explaining what the plushie is, but personally it does not make sense (but I will get back to it in a moment).

Also, Gabo says that the people in Rosas are not allowed to do magic. Which begs the question: Can EVERYONE do magic? We do not know. But I feel like it SHOULD be a huge deal. These people are being denied of their magical potential, but Ig its fine when you have a magic guy that can do it. Plus nobody in the film besides plushie, asha, and Magnifico being the only people who can do magic even after Magnifico is gone, nobody starts practicing so wtf?

Also wtf is this:

NO SERIOUSLY WHAT IS THAT?

Not only does Magnifico have problems in the Magic department, but so is plushie and Asha.

I can give Asha a slight pass because she is a beginner magician (nor do we see her do much of magic), but for plushie:

They can't grant wishes

Can float around

Make inanimate objects have sentience (the flowers and stars before/during the I'm a star sequence)

Make animals talk.

Although it's not very crystal clear, but it seems -from visual clues- that the plushie is able to do this through stardust. I say star dust as well because in the Tinker Bell Franchise and in the classic and sequel of Peter Pan, Tinker Bell does drop stardust as it flies around. And it is more apparent when in the concept art, star was a big ball of gas/dust, so it wouldn't be far off the table if the star was actually made of stardust. (I'm highlighting stardust for the next section)

Though this is genuinely consistent, this undermines Magnificos "villain modvivation" to capture star and use it for evil purposes. If you want something powerful, the thing itself should feel powerful to the audience, but the plushie just doesn't feel as powerful for Magnifico to need, especially since he uses a magic book that already had seemingly boosted his powers. Not saying that star should be OP, I'm just saying that presentation wise, you need to be careful with that aspect.

The reason that I can find for this is the producers saying that they wanted Asha to be more independent. This isn't a big deal, but it shouldn't undermine other characters and ruin their arcs if it is only done to prop up the protagonist.

Okay now with that out of the way, let's finally get more into detail about the Magic System in my au.

The Magic System in The Kingdom of Roses and Thorns

This is going to get a bit complicated, however the magic in my au works as a symbiotic relationship between the user and the magic.

Magic acts alive in a way. It adapts and shifts forms depending on the situation and what the user wants it to do.

There is no bad or good side to this form of magic. It is those who use it that do.

To explain how it works, imagine it somewhat like this:

The wall outlet (where the electricity is) flows through the plug, through the cord, and out into whatever device it is plugged into.

The wall outlet for this allegory is the stardust (ILL GET TO THAT), the plug is the user, and the cord can be a said item used by the user, and the "device" is whatever spell your doing.

Magic users are able to not use items, but it is more recommended since it uses less energy. When you aren't using a item (which acts like a more directory approach), it is more draining since in a sense you are now also the cord too. Its too much, which is why characters, like Magnus, uses specific items (staffs, wands, paper, instruments, ect) since it takes less away from the magic user and helps them do more complicated spells.

If you are wondering how I am incorporating the "corrupt magic", its when you are at a point where you used so much of it the magic begins to starts to consume you since you aren't giving enough energy to make the spell, and starts to use YOUR BODY as a way to means of an end. You can stop it by simply not completing the spell, or via elixirs/potions.

Now what the magic takes away is mostly 2 things:

Energy, or stamina (like when your jogging for long periods of time to when you get out of breath? Basically that) and stardust, or basically the magic that your body naturally asorbes left over star dust from the enviroment

In the song, "I'm a star", it brings up the idea that we are all made of Star's which in a sense is true if you consider the Big Bang Theory. To explore this further, the magic user is basically manipulating the leftover stardust in the enviroment into what you want it to do.

But this doesn't come without concequence.

Using magic is extremely risky when you don't know what your doing, and can have devastating consequences on yourself, since although yes you have a symbiotic relationship with magic, it can get parasitic when you start taping into the true potential of what you can do with magic.

Although yes this can be solved with potions or elixirs, its not a permanent solution.

Once the limit is passed, its is more difficult to go back. Mostly because now your consuming more than you need to in order to cast these spells.

Although its still a whip, here are some of the spells in the AU:

Levatation: The ability to lift something or someone (if you are able to lift it. Like for example you cant lift a building, so what makes you think you can with levitation?)

Healing: Able to heal one's injuries (requires your full focus. If you break focus, you can accidentally damage yourself or another person when using it)

Control (idk how to name this one): When you carve certain symbols onto a object or person you will have complete control over it. (You would be almost or passing your limit if you're doing it with multiple things at the same time, or with something alive since the body would be fighting back which is more draining than using inadiment objects)

Projection: Simple shooting spell where you shoot some stardust at something or someone.

Drawing Objects (idk how to name this one either): basically when you draw a object and draw symbols around it and tap it with your hand or weapon that helps you conduct magic, it becomes real for a short amount of time.

Which btw, the symbols or what the magic would look like is still a wip? However i imagine it'd look more like this concept art:

Also for the spells mentioned above, the bigger those spells are, the more likely you are going to pass your limit.

With what they will look like when the magic fully consumes them, or starts to eat away at the user, Im not entirely set on the idea. One is to make them look like a corpse, though it doesnt feel satisfying to me at the moment. And another idea is to leave it more up to speculation, aka you never see what they'll look like, but you assume the worse, and the human imagination takes over and you start to imagine the worse lol

Now the reason why that im going big on the limitations is to force the characters to get creative and not rely on magic so much (and those that do will face their set concequences).

Now you may be wondering how Magnus was self taught Magic. Here's the answer:

Magic was taught to humans BY the Wishing Stars, with the original idea for Magic to be used as a tool to boost human creativity with their songs, art, dances, ect ect.

At some point in time, some humans gave up their humanity in order to concour bigger spells and grow more powerful and used it for harm and not for what Magic was supposed to be used for.

And some of their targets was hunting Wishing Stars, magical creatures, or even humans themselves.

The Constellations (this is a fairly new idea however they will be explained in a future post), told the Wishing Stars to merely get rid of them because the Wishing Stars were literally almost to the brink of extinction, and in a last ditch effort to save themselves and others, they killed off the magic users and erased all knowledge that was written by the users (along side some humans who believed humanity should have never been given the power of the stars).

Unfortunately for them, they forgot one thing that survived: the stories told by mouth.

The non-magic users who were spared in this massive wipe out, told stories of the stars and wizards that casted grand spells that brought a new ray of human creativity to the world. Over the years, the stories got mixed, misinterpreted, or not very accurate to what happened, however each of the stories that were produced from that era and written in the present timeline, still have a form of underlying truth to it.

Where Magus comes in is the fact that he merely enjoyed reading stories like these, and like any other kid, liked to reenact them. It just so happened that what he did actually worked. And with his friend, Thomas (who also loved reading these stories like Magnus), tried to figure out how magic worked so Magnus can use it to help people (that was the case until the war happened, with Thomas being drafted in his teens. Magnus joined in later when one of the generals convinced the past Queen and King (who are Magnus' parents) to force him to go mostly bc he was a Magic user and they can "use" him. )

Before I forget, magic users are not hereditary. Its just a random thing that happens.

Just know that you can tell someone is a magic user from their eyes, aka unnatural heterochromia (unnatural being a unnatural eye color with the normal eye color like purple, red, yellow, orange, pink, ect ect).

Magnus has a yellow eye color :3

Im debating if Agatha has Sectoral heterochromia, which basically means she can control very little forms of magic (tho its really useless to her so she doesnt even bother with it 😭)

Basically:

so ye

Condcluding Thoughts:

I hope in a way this does make sense? Or at least coherent? Honestly this was written a while back plus now at 4 am in the morning and I felt like talking about my au.

Lowkey enjoyed yapping about this I fr need to do it more often. Probably when I start yapping about the Magical creatures since they play into how alchemy works.

So ye lots of stuff that needs to be followed up on from this post alone, but those worldbuilding posts wont come anytime soon until I get FUCKING MAGUS DPME WITH HIS FUCKING MAIN DESIGN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH until I do Alcor, and then the designs for the magical creatures (which there is really only 3 so yipee :3 )

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About Mr. Shift Once Again (Since You Asked For More Questions)

Does he eat sugar?

Although he's not a fan of sweets, sugar cubes are his favorite sweet things :) and the only ones.

Though he did find it at least a little funny that none of the other executives seemed interested in taking Dazai under their wing. But he also couldn't blame them. They didn't have his foresight, but they were all dodging a pain in the ass.

But he also pitied the fact that no one wanted Dazai. After considering it for five, maybe ten seconds, Chuuya's eyes darted between the window overlooking Yokohama and Mori. On any other given day away from here, he might've felt the warmth of the light filtering in. Instead, the sun cast a cold shadow of himself across the floor.

This very room contained ruins of the past and a future in waiting, frozen in the present.

“We're nothing alike,” Chuuya finally said. He's supposed to be under your guidance; that's how this played out last time, but he kept that thought to himself.

Still, he couldn't help but think by him mentoring Dazai instead of Mori doing so, it'd affect something down the line. Without a doubt.

He just didn't know what. And how much. That was the scary, fragile thing about trying to rewrite the future. He should let everything play out the same until Dazai became the boss again, but he also looked to the past for answers. To understand what led to Dazai killing himself. To understand his thought process that brought him to that dark place.

in the prince!geo au vangelis kinda womp-womps geo’s eye at one point during an argument they have in the dungeons so right afterwards you just kinda have

So uh. more fuel to the fire that is vangelis, vania and geo’s family situation + more shintaro sibs angst in general because jesus christ their dad just Did That

i need geo and vania to suffer because they’d kill for eachother in this, they have to go through The Horrors

DUDE 😨

Geo better have that cool eyepatch

The Shintaro sibs are everything to me (they must suffer, their agony is music to my ears)