Just learned SAG-AFTRA is basically a cult. Yikes.
Screencap taken from this video, which is taken directly from the SAG-AFTRA Website.
The fact that you are encouraged, as one of their members, to present yourself as "better than" non-union actors, and then try to bend the arm of producers and fellow talent is malicious. This is - legitimately - indoctrinating behavior. This is terrifying.
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The Genshin VA Situation is gonna make me Crash Out.
Itâs making me more and more frustrated at the entire thing. Iâm Pro Union because workers deserve better. Iâm Pro Human Rights by default even if the humans in question are annoying as all hell. I primarily side against AI because of consent, but⌠man. Long story short; the audio company that Genshin originally signed English voice actors to, Formosa, is struck by the SAG AFTRA union, but some of the striking English voice actors also seem to have some other unachievable agenda. Letâs ignore the fact that this whole thing is an American problem and only affects American workers and companies. Period. Skip to the Keep Reading Cut if you fully comprehend what the terms âStrikeâ, âScabâ, and âUnionâ mean.
If you play English voiced live service games, like League of Legends or Genshin Impact, you may have noticed a few voices missing over the last⌠what? 6, 7 months? Thatâs most likely because the voice actors that play those roles are on strike. Iâve seen a lot of people not understand what a strike is and act as though the actors are being selfish for not working when itâs quite the opposite. Primarily, a strike is a group effort to withhold something they normally offer, i.e. services or patronage, until x y z is guaranteed to them; sometimes itâs fairer wages, sometimes itâs better safety standards, sometimes itâs not supporting genocide. In our current case, itâs for better intellectual protection. You strike because itâs the only power you truly have and it only works if enough people join in.
In America, this is how we got 8 hour work shifts as standard instead of 23 and get paid overtime. This is why we stopped sending toddlers into shoddy coal mines 20 hours a day for 7 pennies a week. This is why we can sue our employers into the ground for needlessly exposing us to any and every type of poison and radiation imaginable. We respect strikes round here! When you scoff at your coworkers and donât join the strike, or worse take the job of a striker, you are a scab undermining human rights and you spit in the face of your coworkers and every person that came before you that sacrificed what you wonât for the benefits you enjoy. You reap but you wonât sow? It doesnât matter who you are or how uninformed you claim to be, your coworkers wonât forget and neither will the industry.
Now, a labor union might sound like some big imposing dangerous thing, but itâs ultimately just an organized group of people whoâs main objective is taking care of each other. Home Owner Associations are unions; clubs are unions; friend groups should be unions; discord chat rooms can be unions. You can form a union yourself whenever you want but it only works if there is collaboration between members. The SAG AFTRA union is just a mega union made up of smaller unions for American performers; namely the Screen Actors Guild and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, hence SAG - AFTRA.
Got it? Good. Hereâs the situation; Most generative AI, which is a whole other can of worms, are proven to have been trained on stolen work. SAG AFTRA has been on strike for better compensation, but also to ensure companies donât use AI to steal their livelihood. âThe terms and conditions involving rights to digitally simulate a performer to create new performances must be bargained with the unionâ, said straight from the SAG AFTRA website.
The first wave of these strikes started early May of 2023 with the Writers Guild of America fighting against the use of ChatGPT, which was built on their own work without consent. July of the same year, the screenwriters were joined by SAG AFTRA. This was historical, the first time since the 1960s that both the Writers and Actors were on strike, halting Hollywood to a complete standstill. The end of that strike resulted in healthcare and residual pay for workers in the movie and TV industry. The 2023 Writers Guild strike ended 2 months after it started and the SAG AFTRA strike ended 2 months after that, both with amicable contracts signed by a number of big production studios in America, which sets a good precedent for AI protections in any future contracts; see how that works?
Now, throughout all of that, the Writers Guild and SAG AFTRA were very professional and forthright with information to the public. We knew WHY they were striking, we knew WHO they were striking against, and we knew WHAT could end the strike. Plain and simple. The same cannot be said about the current video game strike. SAG AFTRA as an organization has essentially gone mute and refuse to address the public the way they did with the screen actor strike. Theyâre just letting the voice actors fend for themselves and continually put their foot in their mouth. Surely itâs not just voice actors being more immature than screen actors. Itâs almost as if the video game performers were an after thought to SAG AFTRA, striking a full year later; let alone that the placeholder interim agreement and the Taft Hartley simply do not work for live service games.
I suppose another part of the difficulty is who, exactly, are they striking against. Hereâs where I finally start yelling about the Genshin VA situation. After SAG AFTRA announced a video game strike, Formosa, a third party company for post production audio, allegedly went behind SAG AFTRAâs back to provide non-union voice actors for League of Legends. So, SAG AFTRA is now disallowing their members from working with Formosa or League of Legends until further notice. This is important info for us because Formosa was also the production company handling Genshin Impactâs English voice recordings since itâs launch. If you remember, around December 2022, Formosa stopped paying Corrina, Paimonâs voice actor, and hadnât paid them for over half a year by the time they publicly mentioned it. Yâknow, Paimon, Genshinâs lovable mascot that doesnât shut up? Her voice actor wasnât being compensated for months on end. Because of Formosaâs breach of contract, Hoyoverse was able to move Corrina to a different recording studio and last I remember were in the process of moving the rest of the English cast over.
But that was over a year ago, before SAG AFTRA ever even went on strike or had beef with Formosa, so what gives?! The confusion caused by the English VAs have only complicated the situation to an ungodly degree, but I guess itâs better than the radio silence we were getting? The only actors that seem to know what theyâre talking about are Alejandro Saab, Khoi Dao, and Joe Zieja. Itâs like the rest donât understand whatâs going on either, just doing what theyâre told like sheep but instead of just admitting it, they speak confidently wrong and end up contradicting each other repeatedly. Itâs infuriating. Iâm nosy, I wanna know whatâs going on!
Based on everything said and done, I believe it ultimately still has to do with Formosa Interactive. The VAs, despite refusing to say it for some reason, are specifically striking against Formosa, which is the middleman between most of the Genshin English cast and Hoyoverse. But theyâre all still stuck in a contract with Formosa that they canât just break and run to another studio for one reason or another. Corrina was able to break their contract because Formosa broke it first. Contracts of that nature typically last per project or annually for ongoing projects like TV shows. Honkai Star Rail goes through Rocket Sound and Zenless Zone Zero goes through Cadence Studios and neither of them seem to be going through what Genshin is going through despite sharing voice actors. Again, this is mostly speculation based on all the info I have, which isnât a lot because everyone involved is so cagey for no reason and yet when they do talk itâs like they themselves are missing just as much information as us, if not more. Like, I still donât know, for sure, what production company Corrina was moved to.
The only thing I have left to say is that, if my guess is correct then, this is officially between SAG AFTRA and Formosa, not necessarily the voice actors and Hoyoverse. This might be why a lot of the newer characters, signed after the strike started and most likely not with Formosa, are voiced. Lastly, Joe Ziejaâs video about the situation basically says that most of the voice actors he spoke to on strike are doing so of their own accord in an attempt to flip Genshin union despite it not being an American game nor having a true American branch, or to force Mihoyo to sign agreements that are already met by Chinese and Singapore law so..., Iunno. Piss poor communication and SAG AFTRA only giving a fuck about screen actors? At this point I donât trust the English voice actors to understand anything.
"They should fire all the union va's and hire all non-union ones to avoid headache, or just axe the English dub completely. The va's should stop whining and work! Who cares if they arent payed for their job? I just wanna hear my waifu moan when she breaths"
Do you not know how insane you sound. Do you know not how much of a dumbass statement that is. I cant believe I've seen tons of posts and videos of people claiming the va's asking for better pay are in the wrong here... y'all really ain't making it easy on yourselves. You want the rest of the gacha community to respect or like you, and yet you do/say shit like this... it aint ever gonna happen.
Y'all are tanking everything with your blind and idiotic worship of a multibillion dollar company who doesn't give two shits about anything or anyone other then making money. the ceo isn't going to fuck you, bro. Please, learn basic empathy đ
itâs so gross how basically one of the Genshin voice actors basically justified their bullying by saying âyeah I donât actually know anything about Jacob so Iâm going to make assumptions on his finical life, but I DO know they recently bought a house so theyâre shouldn't be workingâ
Like imagine being a grown adult and instead of directly communicating to the person you are mad at, you instead decide to make baseless accusations to justify you behaviour then admit you engaged in some type of stalking to find some information on them.
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Iâm pretty sure Feixiaoâs voice actor didnât get fired over a poc edit. Pretty sure HSR is just using the JP dub for her (Feixiaoâs) videos because of the recent video game voice actor strike thatâs been happening, and the studio involved with HSRâs English dubbing mightâve been one of the studios struck by it.
genuinely concerned about the va strike happining rn and all the tension between kinich's new va and the other vas who are on strike.
the vas on strike say jacob is lying and all and he doesn't really need the job and all but like...taking a voice acting job after the other va was recast is not something he should be shamed for?
whatever the reasons are for him taking the job I don't see in what way it could be offensive to kinich's former va? like wtf is this even about.
also, taking a job doesn't mean someone's pro ai. whether he needs money or not it's none of our business, it wasn't his fault but rather the situation's. yes, hoyo treats vas like shit, true, but paimon's va can keep on 'being stuck in this role' because she needs to pay medical bills but jacob can't need a job? again, what the fuck.
he shouldn't be shamed for taking a job, no matter the situation. I would've understood if this was a moze's va (former one i forgot his name) kinda situation but it's literally not? like seriously WHY is he getting hate for literally having a job like a normal person
i don't know enough to support one side or the other. i believe paimon's va when she says she needs money, but again, I don't see what's wrong with jacob taking the job. all of this is sick, it's getting out of hand and it's just inappropriate.
Do we have any idea when this VA bullshit is going to get fixed? I really donât want to see anyone else get replaced⌠but I also donât wanna change to JP.
I am glad that the Natlan cast is all good, and most of Fontaine. But where is everyone else?? How is this working?? Why is so much of the Fontaine cast back? How did they get the Natlan cast back? Iâm so confused⌠is Hoyoverse getting Genshin VAs out of the hostile environment of SAG? Is that why people are slowly coming back? Is that why Erika is back/almost back? Kinichâs old VA got replaced because he was âstanding with the unionâ so does that mean he wouldnât let Hoyo move him out of SAG?? If someone could please explain⌠I beg of you. I really want voices to be back by Shneznya. I know that Nod Krai/Shnzenya cast will likely be all fully dubbed, unless idk Childe or Dottore is there. But it would be nice to go into an event and hear everyoneâs voices.