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Ooooh I just learned that Quenya has the phrase "carina nilmen" which is a reply to "thank you" meaning more or less "you're welcome/no problem" but it literally means "done for friendship" and ooooooh. Oh.
I love thins language. I love this Discord.
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"For a while he abode with them and aided them in the making of language; for that was their first work of craft upon Earth, and ever most dear to their hearts, and the fair Elvish speech was sweet in the ears of the Valar." - J.R.R. Tolkien, Morgoth's Ring, "Of the Coming of the Elves"
QUENYA NEOLOGISMS by @outofangband
[ID: an edit comprised of seven horizontal banners, each bearing a word in more ornate white script, and its definition and etymology in smaller serif font below. Top to bottom, the images show:
1: Iridescent feathers. Text reads "Calilqua," and below it "iridescence" and in italics "'cal-' (shine, light) + 'ilqua' (oily)" / 2: Sun shining through the green canopies of trees. Text reads "Narollasë," and below it "the smell of leaves" and "'nar-' (relating to smell) + 'ollassë' (foliage) / 3: Ocean waves on a clear day. Text reads "Ëarwesta," and below it "sea breeze" and "'ëar' (sea) + 'hwesta' (breeze)' / 4: A pearl forming in a pale nacreous shell. Text reads "Marilquilëa," and below "pearlescence" and "'marilla' (pearl) + '-quilëa' (hued)" / 5: Tree branches bearing white flowers at night. Text reads "Lómelótë," and below "night-blooming flower" and "'lómë' (twilight) + 'lótë' (flower) / 6: Bare branches covered with snow. Text reads "Minyalossë," and below "first snow" and "'minya' (first) + 'lossë' (snow) / 7: Moss and small plants growing on the surface of a rock. Text reads "Taurecaila," and below "moss" and "'taurë' (forest) + 'kaila' (bed) //End ID]
Quenya and Sindarin Resources
Quenya: Elvish.org ELF Errata Vinyar Tengwar Books / Book Links Quenya Courses Additional Courses/Guides by Ardalambion Quenya Course PDF by Fauskanger
(Sindarin) Sindarin-English Dictionary Council of Elrond General Language Resources Mellonath Daeron's Forodrim.org's Language Guild Elvish Pronunciation Guide General Elvish Resources from Council of Elrond Tengwar Handbook
Chances are, I'm probably extremely late to the party... but I found a resource for a lot of Tolkien's languages that seems pretty helpful, so who knows, maybe it'll help someone out too. Calling fic writers for this one https://www.elfdict.com/
New headcanon that Nertanel (rough translation is "daughter of the man-smith") was the original Quenya name of Nerdanel, but it was mangled by Sindarin soft-mutation.
The thing is, we don't actually know what Nerdanel (the name) even means. This is because the actual etymology of Nerdanel is probably something like nerdo "large, strong man" + ⚠️anel "daughter", but anel was generally replaced by seldë in later notes, which renders this void. And also this meaning makes no sense.
So I made a few alternate names for Nerdanel:
Nertanel from nér "man" + tamo "smith, builder, wright" + -(i)el "daughter"
Nerdantel* from nér "man" + √DAT "fall down" + él "star"
Nernanel from nér "man" + nan- "back (again)" + él "star"
Nertiel from nertëa "ninth" + -(i)el "-daughter"
Nerdarel from nerdo "large, strong man" + seldë "daughter"
*I think this would probably be Nellantel in proper Quenya, using lanta- "to fall".
Given that Nerdanel was the daughter of Mahtan (literal translation is "forger smith"), I feel like Nertanel would be the best fit. And we have examples of names being half-Sindarised — just look at Fëanor!
Can someone check that I'm compounding Quenya the right way, please?
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Sindarin words for fanfic writers
I used parf edhellen and a few other websites all listed at the bottom!
Includes: greetings & goodbyes/ questions/ commands/ terms of endermeant/ compliments/ insults/ family titles/ clothing/ body parts/ years & months/ numbers
Greetings/ goodbyes
Well met - Mae Govannan
Greetings - suilaid
My heart sings to see you. - Guren linna chen cened.
My pleasure to meet you. - Glassen na chen govaded.
Hail - Ai
Welcome - Nathla/Nathlo
A star shines upon/on the hour of our meeting - Êl síla erin lû e-govaned vîn
You are welcome here - Gi nathlam hí
Farewell. - Navaer.
I hope you have a good journey. - Harthon gerich lend vaer.
I hope useful winds will speed you on. – Harthon huil vaer chen horthatha.
Fair winds! - Suil vain!
I hope you will have kind seas. - Harthon gerithach aeair vilui.
I hope you will have a good hunt. - Harthon gerich rui vaer.
I hope the leaves of your tree of life will not wither. - Harthon i laiss en-Galadh e-Guil chîn ú-belithar.
I hope you will have green paths and a breeze behind your body. - Harthon gerithach raid gelin ar chwest adel thraw chîn.
I hope you will have paths green and golden. - Harthon gerithach raid gelin ar velthin.
Nothing will stop the weeping of my heart until our reunion. - Unad nuithatha i nîr e-guren nalú aderthad vîn.
I hope you will have sweet waters and joyous laughter until our next meeting. - Harthon gerithach nîn velui ar lalaith veren na-lû govaded vîn.
I hope you will have sweet dreams tonight. - Harthon gerithach elei velui nef fuin hen.
I hope to see you there. - Ennas harthon chen cened.
I hope to see you at this time. - Harthon chen cened na lû hen.
Questions
Do you speak elvish? - Pedig/Pedil edhellen?
Where are we? - Mi van me?
What are you doing? - Man ceril?
What did you do? - Man agorel?
When? - Na van?
Which one? - Man pen?
With what? - A van?
Who is leading? - Man tôg
Why? - Am man?
Why? (For what purpose?) - Am man theled?
Why not? - Avo garo am man theled?
Commands
Be gone - Ego
Run - nor-
Halt - Daro
Let’s go - Gwaem
Come near the fire - Tolo anin naur
Come with me - Tolo ar nin
Come, join us - Tolo, govano ven
Release me - Leithio nin
Save me - Edraith enni
Don’t be afraid - Av-'osto
Terms of endermeant
My sweet heart - Guren vell
My love - Meleth nîn, mil nîn, melethen, or milen.
My friend - Mellon nîn or Mellonen
My friends - Mellyn nîn or Mellynen
My Lord - Brannon nîn or Brannonen
My Lady - Brennil nîn or Brennilen
Foe of my foe - Coth o chothen
Friend of my friend - Mellon o mellonen
Little father (dwarf) - Adar dithen
Bearded one (dwarf) - masc. Fangon fem. Fangil
Mighty one - masc. Belegon fem. Belegil
Valiant one - masc. Gornon fem. Gornil
Ancient one - masc. Iauron fem. Iauril
Wise one - masc. Saelon fem. Saelil
Loyal one - masc. Sadron fem. Sadril
My champion - masc. Thalion nîn or Thalionen fem. Thaliel nîn or Thalielen
My beloved - masc. Melethron nîn or Melethronen fem. Melethril nîn or Melethrilen
Love of my life - Meleth e-Guilen
Lovely one - masc. Miluir fem. Miluis
Compliments (literal translations)
It is my joy to see you. - Glassen na chen cenin.
You did well. - Mae carnen
You have a heart like a lion. - Gerich ‘ûr sui raw.
You are a mighty and brave warrior. - Ech maethor veleg ar gornen. (Gornen constructed from the noun gorn “valour”)
You are an archer skilled and sharp-eyed. - Ech pengor vaen ar maecheneb. (Pengor in feminine form is Pengel)
You are as beautiful as a rainbow. - Ech vain sui ninniach.
Your radiance shines like the moon. - ‘Law chîn síla sui Ithil.
Your love glitters in your eyes. - Veleth chîn thilia mi chinech.
Your radiant eyes conquered my heart. - Chin gelair chîn orthernir guren.
Your beauty took my breath away. - Thîr vain chîn darn thulen.
Insults
Your head is empty. - Dhôl chîn nâ cofn or Dhôl chîn nâ lost.
Cowardly dog! - Hû ú-gaun!
Go kiss an orc! - Mítho orch!
I hate you! - Chen ú-vilin!
Listen to my laughter! - Lasto al lalaith nîn!
Much wind pours from your mouth. - Súlon 'wanna nîf chîn.
Son of snakes! - Lýgion!
You disgust me! - Chen fuion!
You’re ugly and your mother dresses you. - Thiach uanui ar naneth chîn chen hamma.
You are stupid. - Ech uchand.
Orc lover! - Orvelethron! Or feminine orvelethril!
You are hideous! - Thiach uanui!
Family titles
Father - Adar
Mother - Naneth/Emel
Parent - odhril
Child - hên
Daughter - sell
Son - ion/iond
Sister - Nîth/ Neth/ Nethel
Sister in law - bethres
Brother - Hanar
Brother in law - bethren
Sibling - hest
Half-brother - perhanar
Half-sister - pernîth/ perneth/ pernethel
Half-sibling - perhest
Pair of twins - Gwanûn
Grandmother - mam
Grandfather - dâd
Kin - rennas
Kinsman - gwanur
Family - nothlir/ nothrim/ nos
Clothing (I couldn’t find much for these)
Jewel - mîr
Jewellery - mîrith
Ring - corf
Necklace - sigil
Ringlet - laus/ loch
Crown - rî
To crown/ coronate - rìnada
Boot - saeb
Shoe - habad
Clothes - hammad
Body parts (also couldn’t find much for these)
Hair - findë
Face - thîr
Eyes - hen
Lips - pemp
Nose - nem
Body- Rhond
Years/Months/days
The month of January - Narwain
The month of February - nínui
The month of March - gwaeron
The month of April - gwirith
The month of may - lothron
The month of June - nórui
The month of July - cerveth
The month of august - urui
The month of September - ivanneth
The month of October - narbeleth
The month of November - hithui
The month of December - girithron
First age - mein andrann
Second age - edwen andrann
Third age - nail/nelui/neil andrann
Monday - orithil
Tuesday - orgaladh/orgaladhad
Wednesday - ormenel
Thursday - oraeron
Friday - orbelain
Saturday - orgilion
Sunday - oranor
Numbers
“There were two different number systems in use in Middle Earth; the duodecimal system (base 12) and the decimal system that we use today. Interestingly Tolkien tells us that although "in Common Eldarin the multiples of three, especially six and twelve, were considered especially important" the decimal system developed first - "and eventually beside the decimal numeration a complete duodecimal system was devised for calculations".
Although he goes on to say that "the special words for 12 (dozen), 18 and 144 (gross) were in general use" we don't have any record of what that special number for 18 might have been in any language. Tolkien further noted that "for general purposes the numeral names were decimal in origin". This is why the numbers for 20, 30 and so on mean 'two tens', 'three tens'.”
The numbers 13-19 are reconstructed from Quenya.
1 - min
2 - tâd
3 - neledh
4 - canad
5 - leben
6 - eneg
7 - odo/odog
8 - tolodh/toloth
9 - neder
10 - cae/caen/pae-
11 - Minib
12 - Ýneg
13 - Neleb
14 - Canab
15 - Leben
16 - Eneph
17 - Odoph
18 - Toloph
19 - Nederph
These then, are the deduced numbers 20 - 90 using Tolkien's later material. I suggest that these are for Sindarin as spoken by the Elves, and the original forms as written in the King's Letter are Gondorian Sindarin
20 - Taphaen
30 - Nelphaen
40 - Cambaen
50 - Lephaen
60 - Enephaen
70 - Odophaen
80 - Tolophaen
90 - Nederphaen
100 - Haran
Numbers like 33, 67, 82 etc. can be formed like this Nelphaen a neledh = Thirty and three (33) or Neledh a nelphaen = Three and thirty
Enephaen a odog = Sixty and seven (67) or Odog a enephaen = Seven and sixty
Tolophaen a dâd = Eighty and two (82) or Tâd a dolophaen = Two and eighty
For any number after 12 you just need to put -ui on the end to form the ordinal, e.g. nederphaenui = 90th
1st - Minui
2nd - Tadui
3rd - Nelui
4th - Canthui
5th- Lefnui
6th - Enchui
7th - Othui
8th - Tollui
9th - Nedrui
10th - Paenui
11th - Minibui
12th - Ýnegui
How I know I'm a language nerd? Well, for starters, I read Lord of the Rings and wasn't all that impressed. It was fine, I loved some aspects and characters, but a couple of passages were just so long-winded and seemingly unnecessary. Also, there were so many names and I couldn't keep track. I did really like Tolkien's use of the English language, though.
AND THEN. I get to appendix F. And suddenly, these books are a work of genius and I love them and will defend them forever.
How to use Tolkien's languages
I guess posts have been made about where you can find references on Sindarin, Quenya, Nandorin, Old Elvish, and Noldorin among others on Tumblr but I wanted to make my own list (so I can come back to it when I need it). If you know a website you'd like me to consider for my list, please just mention it to me.
