Any JSA comics you recommend? Was surprised to not see a sale when I opened CMX.
ComiXologist podcast host Kzam (who is a big fan of Stargirl) recommends JSA ALL-STARS.
Following a devastating rift between team members, the Justice Society of America split in two! Meet the JSA All-Stars! Although they may be a younger, more inexperienced team, veteran leaguers like Power Girl and Stargirl look to turn these newcomers into full-fledged All-Stars!
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Did you know that comiXology has an awesome podcast? Check out an excerpt from this week's letters segment!
On this weekâs episode, we got a very important letter asking about potential double-standards happening on the show relating to critiquing sexualized artwork for female characters while at the same time glorifying shirtless male characters. Kara/Kzam responded in the show but felt like it was worth discussing further outside of the audio waves.
Letter:
First of all, I enjoy the show quite a bit and listen weekly. However, one thing has been really bugging me and was on full display in the letter section of episode 489. Kara criticized Gotham City Sirens for its cheesecake art, then just a letter or two later, went on about how much she is looking forward to a shirtless Lance Hunter/Cliff Barton. See the problem here? Almost every week Kara makes some reference to how sexy a character is (example: Grayson), or imagines a relationship between characters (example: Spidey and Deadpool). If Matt did this, it would be viewed as extremely creepy. Imagine if every week he went on about Red Sonja, or talked about a relationship between Emma Frost and Magik. Creepy, right? Itâs the same when Kara does this. Itâs fine to like comics for whatever reason, but if you are going to criticize them for something, it should be treated the same whatever your orientation. These double standards shouldnât be at play.
You donât need to respond or to read this on air, but please consider what Iâm saying.
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Kzam:
Thanks,
I was grateful for your letter because quite frankly Iâm shocked that youâre only the first person to have written in about this topic. Itâs a complicated one, and I do have an answer for you.
The complexity here is the broader cultural framework weâre in, namely, that there is literally no such thing as âthe female gazeâ because the sexual power dynamic in our culture precludes it entirely. Â Meaning, masculine sexuality cannot be defined by a woman sexually objectifying a man â on the contrary it supports his virility for a woman to attempt it. Â Whereas female sexuality is, culturally speaking, almost entirely defined by its objectification to enhance male desires.
When discussing comic art, I like to remember the audience for the scene as crucial context for whether something skeeves me out or not. Letâs use Dick Grayson as an example. In BATGIRL #45, thereâs this amazing full page of him entering a window looking foxy as heck in a tight outfit showing off his abs, but the context is youâre seeing him from Batgirlâs point of view, and he looks at her with a flirty expression and you know thatâs because of those two charactersâ romantic histories together. In MIDNIGHTER #4, the one where Grayson and Midnighter are shirtless in a sauna to beat up bad guys, theyâre not making exaggerated poses, and yeah, theyâre probably shirtless just to be shirtless for us, the readers, but itâs not like every other page is like this, so itâs a fun one-off and allows Midnighter a couple chances to get flirty one-liners in.
The art in Gotham City Sirens I was referencing is different because the âcameraworkâ that consistently follows the characters is clearly for the readers and not for other characters in the scene. For example, a low shot of Catwomanâs butt that also shows Ivy and Harley talking to her with her facing them is not for any of the charactersâ gratification but for the readersâ, and the consistency of this kind of shot throughout the book/series tells me that these characters are here to provide gratification for the readers, but this is separate from the charactersâ own agency. Itâs like those upskirt shots some people insist on trying to take at comic conventions of women: theyâre not consensual and they donât value the subject as an actual person, merely as a sexual object. The characters in Sirens are also portrayed in âsexyâ poses for no reason beyond audience titillationâif a character is in a pose that seems inorganically T&A focused, I feel uncomfortable because it shows me that this character is not totally themselves; theyâre there to be decoration, and I hate that. Itâs like when Iâm walking down the street and a rando guy says âsmile, beautifulâ and Iâm terrified and angry because that phrase tells me that he thinks Iâm there to decorate his world as opposed to being my own person with my own thoughts and feelings and agency. To quote Mad Max: Fury Road: âWe are not things.â
When Iâm talking about relationships between characters that I either jokingly or earnestly endorse, Iâm talking about that from a place where I think that genuinely those two characters would work together in a relationship, whether itâs romantic or sexual. It is NOT because I think they would look sexy together having sex for no other reason than the audienceâs (my) enjoyment. So when I talk about SPIDEYPOOL, itâs because I think theyâve had some CANON INTERACTIONS that I can view as flirty, and I think theyâd have a cute relationship where Spidey is constantly trying to make Deadpool make better choices, and Deadpool is constantly proposing indecent ideas to Spidey in public to make him blush, and they have hilarious banter while beating up bad guys and have dramatic tension when Deadpool goes too far and Spidey has to bring him in, and all the character development that would happen as a result of all of this would be amazing.
It boils down to âis this attractive, or is this objectification?â Context is everything. For a more common example, in almost every strip club scene in any visual medium ever, the female strippers are there as props for generally male characters to look at or interact with in a superficial, fleeting way, and seldom do these strippers have an actual role in the story beyond titillation. Contrast this with Magic Mike XXL, where the male strippers are the main characters who drive the plot, and they view their profession as a way to make women happy, and we see the women they perform for responding positively to the various ways the men are interacting with them. Objectification vs. involvement and characterization is important!
The comiXologist podcast releases every Wednesday. Hosts Slim (Matt) and Kzam (Kara) talk about what books they read & liked that week. Comics are awesome and so are you! Tune in for our picks & write in to join the conversation!