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One reason why Iâm not really satisfied with any adaptation of Persuasion is how the depiction of Anne seems to go to the ends of multiple extremes. Anne, to me, is a gentle subversion of the âEnglish Roseâ archetype. Sheâs diligent, dutiful, and refined, but secretly she longs for adventure and high Romance in every sense (as in eros and romantic love, as well as the genre, the sentimentality encouraged by the Romantic movement, etc.) thatâs a far cry from the âquiet, confinedâ life ladies supposedly ought to lead. Outwardly sheâs elegant, well-mannered, and self-possessed, so you wouldnât know that sheâs constantly observing and judging, even taking amusement in, the people around her. Even though she dislikes irony/sarcasm and judgmental people! And she concurrently has a certain playfulness to her (e.g., when she puckishly chides Wentworth at the end: âYou should have distinguished...â). So sheâs not some sort of wallowing martyr or woobie who's often weeping or bemoaning her fate (Persuasion 2007, maybe occasionally 1995).
But also, there has to be something to subvert in the first place; if you make her outspoken to the extent that she comes across as coarse and brash, then people around her wouldnât have certain (incorrect) views and expectations of her and miss who she really is (Persuasion 2022). And despite her outward grace and stoicism, she has a lot of personality/sensitivity and feels things very strongly; sheâs not some unmoving statue at all (Persuasion 1971).
And then, most superficially and perhaps least importantly (but must be mentioned still), she matches the epithet physically as well, so the audience can see why even her beloved godmother Lady Russell has the wrong read of her. Sheâs described as âan extremely pretty girl, with gentleness, modesty, taste, and feelingâ in 1806, then âvery pretty,â a âdelicateâ beauty, being âwith every beauty,â âvery regular [i.e. harmonious, ordered, symmetrical], very pretty featuresâ and âmanners as consciously right as they were invariably gentle,â and âglowing and lovelyâ in 1815. It should be at least somewhat understandable and certainly forgivable that given her Apollonic appearance and outward mannerisms, others donât suspect her of having inner strength in the form of âheroism, fortitude, patience, resignationâ or âstrength of mind,â or of even thinking such fervent, visceral, fiercely longing thoughts as:
How she might have felt had there been no Captain Wentworth in the case, was not worth enquiry; for there was a Captain Wentworth; and be the conclusion of the present suspense good or bad, her affection would be his for ever. Their union, she believed, could not divide her more from other men, than their final separation.
Everyone talks about NTT Dick Grayson vs. post-2000s Dick Grayson and how it influenced their perceptions of canon blah blah but I desperately wish people remembered that he has forty (40) years of canon before Wolfman even got a whiff of this character. Like that alone is longer than many comic characters have existed. And despite the (increasingly common?) perception that pre-bronze age were all one-note, trite, and simplistic in nature that couldnât be further from the truth, and despite their gag-heavy nature theyâre very much important bases for characterization!
With respect to NTT in particular, before then Dick:
loved school, especially biology and chemistry; wanted to pursue higher education; likely wouldâve even entered the field of medicine imo!
loved children and mentoring/guiding younger kids and his peers
was VERY invested in his civilian life, to the point where being Robin was an obtrusive interference and even a nuisance many times
was highly gregarious/sociable and open-minded - yes, absolutely more so than Bruce, which was partly why Batman having a child sidekick was so important - and loved meeting new people, having fun, and experiencing new things even despite his strong sense of discipline and responsibility and his high standards for himself
And yet you have people arguing that those traits were a more ârecentâ invention, e.g., from the 2000s, simply because he was more closed-off and reserved in NTT due to being leader of a group of extremely powerful, dangerous, traumatized teens who were highly scrutinized in the public eye and by their own mentors for obvious reasons...?
Like, Iâm not saying Dick has to retain the same character traits he did from ages 8-18 for the rest of his life. But why do people seriously argue the inverse, that heâd have the same mindset that he did as a highly stressed and traumatized 18-20 year old? Because letâs be honest, Wolfman capitalized on 80s melodrama trends and put the New Titans through hell almost every single issue, they were constantly in fight-or-flight mode and their behavior and mindset was pretty strongly shaped by that. Iâm sorry that you hate the concept of âbig brother Dick Graysonâ or him being nice to people or whatever but take that up with Bill Finger instead of pretending that two incredibly emotional years of a guyâs lifespan define his entire existence
Whenever that one negative review of Pride and Prejudice (and by extension, all other Austen novels, lbr) goes around (âjust a bunch of people going to each otherâs housesâ) and my fellow Austen fans get all defensive lol - I get it, I obviously donât think the provincial lives of 19th century gentry is inherently a bad or âwrongâ subject to write about (and there are plenty of novels with similar subject matter that I enjoy)⊠but it does amuse me that the heroine of Austenâs final novel bemoaned that very same âquiet, confinedâ life and wished for something far beyond it (and finally is implied to get her wish, as sheâll likely accompany her husband to sea and see/experience more of the world)
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thank you @berries-and-nova for letting me know about the 1821 French edition of Persuasion, translated by Swiss novelist and translator Isabelle de Montolieu! like I said itâs got a lot of extra stuff not in the original novel so Iâll post my reading of it here and transcribe the ânewâ stuff! Some of it Iâll paste the translated english, some of it Iâll leave untranslated (volume 1, volume 2, volume illustrations above)
Volume 1:
Thereâs a brief biography of Austen here. Iâll just paste (badly) translated excerpts that I liked, starting with:
She wrote for as long as she could hold a pen, and when holding a pen became too painful, using a pencil. The day before her death, she composed a few stanzas full of energy and feeling; it was an eternal farewell to her family and friends. Her last words were expressions of gratitude to her doctor; he asked her, a few moments later, if she needed anything.
"The only thing I lack is death," she said with a smile, and there it was, approaching. Indeed, she died a few minutes later, on July 18, 1817, in the arms of her sister, who had cared for her throughout her illness with tireless zeal.
...in a letter from the dying woman, written a few weeks before her death:
âI no longer move from my sofa except to take a walk from time to time, from one room to another, leaning on the arm of my dear and tender sister, the most zealous, the most careful, the most tireless of nurses; I trembled that her care and vigils would not overwhelm her health; but, praise be to God! her strength seems to increase with the decline of mine.
"What I owe to her friendship, to the affection of my beloved family, is a thousand times greater than (what can be expressed), but not the feeling that fills my heart and makes me happy despite my lady's condition which overwhelms me. If I survive, my entire existence must be dedicated to... gratitude... (to) Almighty God, etc.
"Thank you for the blessing of having such parents, bless them and comfort them! etc.â
;_; Then the author says: âWithout resorting to slander or malice, her conversation was brilliant and lively; she never went off from his mouth a hasty judgment, a misplaced or cutting expression; in short, her heart was in accord with her spirit to lend each other an inconceivable charm.â I wonder what she wouldâve thought of Austenâs private letters. anyway I love this part:
She rarely changed my mind about books or men, so much so that her first judgment on them was reasonable.
now, onto the actual story: (long post below)
(firstly - the French translation calls her Alice instead of Anne lol)
âBut donât pity her too muchâ hah. I like this translator. I hate when Anne is made out to be some sort of miserable, joyless martyr (see: adaptations which have Anne wretchedly crying and wallowing all the time), that doesnât do justice to her strength of character. Yes sheâs been neglected and ignored, but sheâs made the best of her life and stays active - she likes to read a lot, she goes on daily walks and visits Lady Russell every day, she talks to the tenants and farmers and helps around Uppercross when she can, etc. - without Wentworth around she's kinda decided to be a spinster with Lady Russell until the end of her days (as seen by her attitude in Bath) and sheâs okay with that! Itâs just that her options as a lady are so limited compared to Wentworth as a gentleman, that despite having similar âactiveâ and industrious characters, she couldnât make a fulfilling life like he did. This isnât a Fanny Price situation, is what Iâm saying
(also, âvelvety black eyesâ sounds so sexy lol radio play ĐŃĐž ŃŃŃĐœŃĐ”. if only it were written earlier than 1843, then Wentworth could sing along to it with sailors in the Baltic sea)
Ahh this bitterness (that was only implied in canon but here is made more explicit) is really interesting and adds to Elizabethâs character. This is why Iâd like to think that unlike her father, Elizabeth eventually realizes she should stop valuing appearances and rank, and maybe somewhat reconciles with Anne - who knows how many years thatâll take though
Lady Russell, not very experienced in love, believed that simply not speaking of it was enough to stop thinking about it.
Lol this is so interesting! LR ânot very experienced in loveâ... so while she mightâve been content with her husband, it wasnât really âlove,â or anything like that huh? I got the same sense from the original.
âThe heart does not lose its rightsâ what a nice phrase... Wentworth would always have a ârightfulâ claim on her heart and vice versa T_T
Anne had sometimes believed her feelings extinguished, or at least very weakened, but her eagerness to read the articles concerning the navy in the papers, her emotion when she found the name of Frederick Wentworth cited as one of the best officers, and how it seized her whole being when she learned that his sister Mrs. Croft (whom he cherished, and about whom he had often spoken, as well as about the Admiral) came to live in Kellinch Hall: it told her quite clearly that she felt at twenty-seven as she did at nineteen...
This bookâs spoiling us right away lol. I like that they kept one of my favorite lines, âHis genius and ardour had seemed to foresee and to command his prosperous pathâ :â)
(skipping ahead to describing the Musgrove sisters) their appearance was pleasant and pretty; their cheerful and agreeable character, their simple and natural manner; their talents, except for dancing, quite mediocre overall;
Uh lmao?????
...Captain Wentworth had surpassed their expectations with his amiability; he displayed neither reserve nor shyness; he was frank, polite, and averse to ceremony; with the family, it was as if he were among old acquaintancesâhe liked and desired only what everyone else liked and desired.
Interesting phrasing at the end, possible foreshadowing for his half-assedly entertaining the Musgrove sistersâs flirtations in the future lol
His attachment to her had been unfathomably intense; but the more he truly loved her, the more he was indignant at the weakness of character she had shown at their separation; she rejected him, abandoned him to please tyrannical relatives and a prejudiced friend, who persuaded her that she should act thus; she yielded to their advice against her own, against the voice of honor and love, since she had given him her heart and promised him her hand: this weakness or timidity was so contrary to the firm, open and decisive character of Frederick Wentworth, that he resolved to banish her from his heart...
and so it begins... I like that several extra factors are stressed, not just love but also âhonorâ and yielding to please âtyrannical relatives and a prejudiced friendâ - it mustâve felt all the more shocking to him as someone with very supportive open-minded friends and family, without realizing his good fortune in that :/ and he probably thought âshe chose her horrible abusive dad over me...â
anyway time to get back to the best Austen character: Dick Musgrove
There was then a momentary impression on the captain's countenance, a certain look that escaped from his dark eyes, full of wit and fire, a certain smile that Alice had often noticed when Sir Walter or proud Elizabeth honored him with their disdain, and which proved to her that, far from sharing Mistress Musgrove's regrets over her son, he had been delighted to be rid of him. But it was a flash: he had too much genuine sensitivity not to respect maternal tenderness, even when it is blind; and, assuming an air of interest, he came and sat down beside Mrs. Musgrove and began a conversation about her, in which he avoided destroying her opinion of her poor Richard, of whom he spoke with his grace and natural goodness and kindness.
*rips open jacket to reveal t-shirt that says ILY CPT. WENTWORTH* (also the description of Wentworth having dark eyes - full of âwit and fireâ - is endearing haha. and later Harville is likewise described as having dark hair btw)
He was then on the sofa with Alice, separated from her only by Mrs. Musgrove, who was not, it is true, a slender barrier; her enormous plumpness, her large, cheerful face, seemed much more formed to express joy and good humor than tenderness and sentiment: Alice's elegant form, her curious, attractive, and thoughtful expression, formed a perfect contrast.
I like the hints that Anneâs bloom has already slightly begun, but most of all that itâs not just mere friends and family and love that cause her to recover her health and looks (after all, Lady Russell and even the Musgroves do love her, yet she still withered away in those 8 years) but specifically Wentworth and things connected to him, like his friends/family and the sea âčïčđïčđïčâčË
(Sophia Croft telling Frederick women can be on ships) â...I assure you that nowhere, not even at Kellynch Hall," she said, bowing with a smile to Alice, âhave I been better in every respect than on the ships I have been on; I have been on five vessels, and everywhere I have been equally comfortable.â
Alice was thinking at that moment how many times Wentworth had told her the opposite of what he thought today, using her sister as an example, and repeating that he hoped she would love him enough to follow him to sea. She remained silent.
LMFAO (though honestly I think he hadnât really thought about it back in 1806)
The rest of this is pretty much the same as the OG, some notes I took were:
-thereâs like 10 sentences dedicated to describing how handsome and full of âvitalityâ Wentworth was. We get it bro. also âCharles had never in his life seen a man as kind as the captain: "Isn't it true, Alice, that he is so handsome and charming... oh, he will definitely be made an Admiral. Isnât he just wonderful?ââ Charles Musgrove is there anything you want to tell us
-Charles Hayterâs name is changed to George... understandable
-(the toddler rescue scene)Â âWentworth was laughingly tossing and running with the child, who with his little closed fists, playfully wanted to beat him; they both laughed and made such noise...â grinchâs heart growing three sizes.gif
-unless I misunderstood (very possible, my french is really bad) I think the author didnât pick up that Wentworth realized Anne had rejected Charles Musgrove *against* Lady Russellâs advice? In the book he says from that point on he kept wondering if she did it for him. the 1995 movie also misses this I think
-â(Benwickâs) large, pale eyes, often lowered, were full of melancholy; his mouth was beautiful, but his lips no longer smiledâ this author wants to risk it all for every sailor in this book
-(meeting the Harvilles)Â âHer spirits revived; it seemed to her that she was among old acquaintances she had loved all her life. How they would have loved the cherished love of their dear Wentworth, too!â AHHH
-(after Louisa goes on a long spiel about how sailors are the bestest ever) âLouisa was preaching to the already converted; Alice said nothing, so thoroughly did she agree with this reasoning.â LOL
-(lunch at the inn with Captain Harville) âEverything had been so well arranged through Wentworthâs care and diligence, that nothing was lacking in the festivities...â aww thatâs his buddy
-interestingly Anne calls Wentworthâs liveliness âexaggerated enthusiasm,â I think sheâs realized that heâs slightly "feigningâ his âeasyâ manner earlier here than in the original novel(?)
-itâs even more clear that Anne sees Benwick as like.. a kid almost. also âshe thought, like many moralists and preachers, I teach what I am incapable of inÂ
practice, and one could apply this to me: "Physician, heal thyself"â AU Anne would be a physician confirmed
-"(Anne) is so good, so gentle, and so strong! No one is better suited, no one is as capable; we must ask her." <3333
Volume 2:
(Lady Russell) examined her young friend and saw that she was very beautiful; her cheeks were rounder, soft and pink; she complimented her and asked, was it the pleasure of having found her lover again, which brought about this happy change?â Alice smiled, blushed, said her health was better.
LR is thinking of Mr Elliot, Anne is thinking of Wentworth... this soap opera
...said the Admiral with a laugh. "A curious way to pay courtâto smash oneâs head! Fair enough to turn a girlâs head with sweet words; but to cast it onto the pavement is a bit too rough. If she recoversâwhether she be mad, ugly, or mentally regressed, it matters notâhe must marry her and tend to her for the rest of his life; and if she dies, nothing remains for him but to hang himself or find consolation elsewhere. What do you think, Miss Elliot? Do you not agree with me?"
THIS IS SO INSANE
âYou know, Sir Walter," (Mrs. Clay) said, squeezing Elisabeth's hand against her heart, "that I can cherish beauty;
Where are the Elizabeth Elliot/Mrs Clay fanfics
Ok more notes from here on:
-(they keep using the word âhymenâ for â(re)unionâ between Anne and Wentworth and Iâm too mentally 12 years old for this)
-Mr. Elliot is even sketchier in French btw. also later when Mrs Smith pulls out his old letter, his insults of Sir Walter are way more cutting lol
-âThe somber, quiet little Alice had grown into a woman elegant and graceful... with all graces, charms, and poise, and symmetrical features full of expressionâ once again, ANNE MY BELOVED
âMiss Elliot, don't you also think Wentworth is by far superior to Benwick, tell the truth!â
Alice had a coughing fit; she couldn't reply; but the admiral waited until it had passed, and relentlessly repeated his question without mercy. âIsn't it so, Miss Alice, that Frederich is more worthy of winning the hearts of beautiful women than James Benwick?"
LMAO
-Anne here is more self-deprecatingly convinced that Wentworth and Louisa like each other while Wentworth is WAY more obvious about liking Anne, lady Iâm begging you to take a hint or ten
-the âhandsomest and best hungâ pun wasnât translated here (understandable) so instead the author removed all subtext and just made it text: â(Wentworthâs) gorgeous figure stood out amongst all the men around himâ
-the way Wentworth speaks about Benwick, Louisa, and Fanny Harville is so gracious and moving. I canât really do it justice through translation but itâs very sweet
-âAlice felt deep down that, if the sense of decency and immodesty impressed onto her sex hadn't objected, she would have gone to him at once.â Iâm thankful to this TL for laying it out so clearly, sometimes I see readers wonder why Anne and Frederick wonât just talk to each other - as you can see itâs not just their own feelings and grief/awkwardness over the past that are posing a barrier but also societal norms and mores. As for Wentworth, heâs sorta in the position that Anne was for a quarter of the novel, he thinks she and Mr Elliot are attached, so heâs hesitant about approaching her too (though he bravely does anyway! and Anne likewise encourages him, as she kinda did back when she thought he and Louisa were attached! #infidelitywin)
Her eyes still searched for the one who occupied her mind alone. Never had she been so beautiful as that day; her complexion was vibrant, her cheeks held the softest color unsuspected by her, and she wasn't occupied with anything but the last interview with Wentworth; she went over in her mind everything he had said, she remembered their sentences fragmented, their sighs half-stifled and the ardent pressure of his gaze, which she knew so well, was palpable. It proved that the heart of her Frederich was willing to resume his first impression of her. Nervousness, injury, anger, resentment, avoidance, coldness, silence, all have disappeared; and what has succeeded these painful feelings is more than friendship, more than just a memory of the past; it is almost the past itself. Such a sudden change, total, could not have any other cause; it is nothing but love - again - the one he loved so passionately, she, who always felt the same. These thoughts, this hope, occupied her too much to be able to observe anything. (...) The concert began, and there was no sign of Wentworth; one must be content with meditating on him and that resultant joy.
Nothing to say really, just that my poor TL (nor the even poorer machine TL) again doesnât do this lovely passage justice ;_; probably the most BrontĂ«ish thing Iâll read from an Austen novel
-âA man does not recover from such a devotion of the heart to such a woman. He ought not; he does notâ gets the addendum "One should never, could never replace the object of a first affection!" which I thought was pretty funny. French people said none of that âsecond attachmentâ nonsense here
-Anne and Wentworth have a more detailed conversation about the opera and Wentworth is repeatedly referred to as a âtrue music lover,â cute of them to share this mutual interest. Also Anne specifically mentions theyâre listening to âCimarosa's masterpieceâ aka the 1792 comic opera Il matrimonio segreto (The Secret Marriage) which... follows..... a heroine and hero who are already married...... but have to hide it because the heroineâs father wouldnât approve of the hero since heâs from a lower class.......... WOW
-the way Anne describes womenâs feelings being stronger than menâs is so poetic ahh... âThe storm uproots the oak, and the weak reed may bend but never break or falterâ oh Anne (itâs a reference to Aesopâs fables of course)
-Harville kinda wingmans for Anne and Wentworth at the end here (ââYou are an excellent woman!" exclaimed good old Harville, placing his hand on her arm... âWho will be worthy of a heart like yours?... Look at Wentworth. What zeal he puts into the commission I entrusted to him! Wouldn't you say those he cares for are the most important matter to him?ââ)
-Wentworthâs letter is pretty accurate from what I understood but also he calls Anne âmy loveâ and himself as âfortunately/happily yoursâ in it - kinda presumptuous for a guy whoâs supposed to be âhalf agony,â eh captain? :âD
-anyway, their conversation at the end confirms what I thought while reading the original, that theyâre very playful and joking around even while discussing the events of the past few months <3 Anne playfully and coyly calls herself âpoor Anneâ several times so that Wentworth can pamper and coddle her lolll cute, similarly Wentworth until now has been talking in a very mature âmanlyâ way idk how to explain it but now he sounds almost boyish (Anne too sounds very informal and cutesy whereas before her speech was really elegant and formal). I loved these parts:
âAlice believed 'that he had finished, and got up; but happy lovers are very talkative; Wentworth still... had a lot to say, and his partner never tired of listening to him any more than he did of talking.â
ââ...I had barely kissed my sister when I arrived (to Bath), when I left with
the hope of meeting you; people I knew dragged me into a shop where my first sight was my own Alice!ââ
The parts I found most interesting though (I have to transcribe the original french for these):
I like that Wentworth thought Anne was being cold and silent and avoidant toward him and therefore assumed she wanted nothing to do with him (and that in turn fueled his desperate and failed attempts to forget her), makes sense. Anne rightly defends herself with "well that "coldness" was hiding a broken heart" because yeah, she (correctly!) thought he was angry about the breakup and figured she was just getting out of his way or something. Anne had every reason to behave reservedly, but itâs also reasonable for Wentworth to interpret that to mean she didn't care about him even though she's just behaving as a lady "should." It's like, no matter what you do, you can't win... and of course Anne was in a similarly impossible situation back in 1806
The image of Edward grumbling "why isnât Anne my sister-in-law yetâ and Frederick mentally going âIâM TRYING OKâ is so good. Also sweet how Frederick saw his brother happy with his wife and thought of Anne and what they could have in the future.. ahh....
Elizabeth feeling pleased that her new brother-in-law is handsome.. uhh ok (ditto for Sir Walter and his new son-in-law but we already knew that from the original text)
The happy ending!! Anne soon had a baby... Frederick bought them a country house and they entertained all their friends... they had fun visiting Edward and his family... very sweet. first French W since Napoleon's defeat <3
Thinking about Austenâs letters regarding pregnancy and child-rearing again and another reason I like Anne/Wentworth is because I honestly think theyâd be completely fine with the possibility of never having children even though arguably theyâre the heroine and hero where Austen spent the most time in-text showing that theyâre suited to parenthood. Theyâre just so happy to finally get together that even though social and religious mores bid them to have as many children as they can, particularly heirs, itâs not a priority to them in comparison to just... being together, especially because when it comes to each other their sense of duty and valuing the social contract between gentlemen and ladies in Regency England gets wishy-washy lol. Plus they have a great example of a happy childless marriage in the Crofts, and Anne also has in-laws who care the least about things like that anyway.