Dain's "Weāll talk about that when we get home" List
"Don't thank me. Just tell me later how the fuck Garrick and Chradh disappeared into thin air." aka while we know Garrick is a distance-wielder Dain doesn't (or I guess didn't) and I have a feeling that's going to be the first of many explanations Garrick will be giving ⦠saying Iām 99% sure heās the one that turned Venin.
"And we're going to talk about whatever the fuck that just was later" aka Imogen Cardulo's not-so-secret-now Second Signet (as I'm calling it, because seriously it HAS to be that) and I'm very glad again that he will be bringing that up because I TOO HAVE QUESTIONS (starting with how she turned a shield to stone)?!? OH AND ON THE TOPIC OF ASKING IMOGEN āWHAT DID YOU DOā?!?
"Gods, don't I know it." And lastly one he has to answer to (once heās done scolding the kids for sneaking out) SIR what do you mean by that?! What are you thinking just walking around with that kind of chemistry and having the audacity to not give me a ship name!?!
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Do the marked ones know that other marked ones have two signets? Or like is that just a thing Xaden knows? Like does Imogen know garrick has two and vice versa
Question/Theory (1): There is a new Venin, who is it? I believe this to be Garrick Tavis because of the following:
"And now that my Sage has another sibling he can use against me...I'm screwed. I glance past Berwyn, past Sgaeyl and the venin, to my new brother and the unconscious dragon lying in the valley beyond the canyon, guarded by seven wyvern. How could he do this? Choose this after watching me stumble and fall over the last five months. How could he willingly walk the path l've fought like hell to leave? He's the last person I ever would have expected to turn, and yet here we are. I can't let Sgaeyl die. Canāt leave him to stumble down the same path I did." ā Xaden Riorson, Chapter 65.
The 1st confirming of a ānew Venin brotherā passage which shows us that:
This is a male identifying character hence āheā.
The terminology is ānew brotherā meaning it is not someone such as Bodhi Durran, as in Chapter 58 āāTheophanie glances at Brennan, then Bodhi. "I didn't ask for either of you to attend." "I thought you requested brothers? Next time be more specific about who's invited," I suggest.ā ā he is already addressed as such.
Someone who has seen Xaden fighting not to channel because they know he is Venin (this limits us to a small group of people) & someone Xaden trusts (an even smaller group of people now) and who has been with them for the past 5 months (at the very least; presumably making it someone on the front lines and Quest Squad).
And someone Xaden ācannot leaveā (like a best friend).
Adding onto it are these quotes from Imogen Cardulo & their chapters information as a whole, showing that:
"I notice the circles beneath his beautiful eyes, the unusual pallor of his complexion. He's exhausted, and for the first time in my life, I don't care that he's seeing me at my weakest, because he's right there, too. My chin tips in a nod. "All right." He moves quickly to the step beneath us, kicking something out of the way and gathering both of us into his arms. I lock mine around Quinn so she doesn't slip as we're lifted off the floor, and the landing beneath us loses its color. "Let's get you out of here." ā Imogen Cardulo, Chapter 63.
Garrick is burnt out at best, and at worst already channeling (it is dark in the first scene; the circles beneath his eyes could have been Venin veins; while this is unlikely, as she does still call his eyes ābeautifulā⦠Imogen is noted to struggle to meet anyoneās eyes in the following passages, so itās possible she doesnāt note it while already in this state of shock).
There is also the possibility that āthe landing beneath us loses its colorā was not all due to other dark wielders; it may have already been Garrick as well.
Rebecca takes the seemingly unnecessary time to point out Garrick ākicking something out of the wayā only she very rarely puts something pointless in her writing (& while Iām unsure of what it would mean, there is potential that it is hinting at something) & along the same note; the tense of Garrickās phrasing is āyouā not āusā (this may hint that he knows he will not be leaving this battle).
Finally, itās worth noting that in this passage Garrick has just lost another friend (another one of the rebellion) making him not only wracked with grief but even more desperate to save Imogen (as the last book showed that mixture is rather dangerous when it comes to creating Venin).
& as he next states: "It's still not enough." Garrick's head hangs as he stands. "I can't..." & the following:
"Where are you going?" I shout at Garrick's back. "I can't walk again. Even if I made it to Aretia, I'd never be strong enough to get back," he calls over his shoulder. "So, I'd better find some fucking way to do something."
He is going out alone, to find a way to do something, dare I say anything. That is the last known sighting of him.
Not to mention that Chradh has made 0 appearances (making it feasible for him to be the āunconscious dragonā in reference).
And that he is powerless at this point. Yet, he is also one of the few riders who could possibly get to Riorson in time (let alone be helpful in the following āmysteriousā & presumably chaotic 12 hours that then follow).
In that, we can also presume a few things from Chapter 66:
"Official numbers are four riders, their dragons, and three elders murdered in the valley in what we're estimating is the last few hours," Weilsen says. "And we still have five riders missingāfour now," he adds, looking at me. His mouth tenses. "But after that display, we all know Riorson did this. I bet the other three are already dead." ā Weilson, Chapter 66.
While we do not know who the (now) four riders are (aside from obviously Xaden) it does show that it is primarily dragon riders that are missing (again upping the odds of one in three being Garrick).
āThe last few hoursā meaning this all occured after Violet āwent missingā and the ānew Venin brotherā went withāwellāwhomever they went with⦠possibly making a bigger spectacle, then the one earlier (and being that one in reference instead).
Again, as stated; Garrick also has the powers thanks to his second signet (which was specifically introduced in this book) to assist in the spread of said ādisplayā and desecrations all across the battlefield (even if they are most likely Xaden) he is the signet match for any and all⦠he and Xaden very well couldāve gone to find the other ātraitorsā using Garrickās teleportation & Xadenās inntinsic skills, thus seemingly killing the three āeldersā.
Finally, these last portions to the point:
"Do you know where he is?" Brennan asks me softly once the other rider is fully out of earshot. "Riorson? You heard what Weilsen said. We have dead dragons and riders and missing eggs, and if you've seen Riorson, I need to know, Violet." "I..." Words fail me. Why can't I think? "I don't know." I raise my hands to my mouth, and a piece of parchment in my front pocket catches on my arm, then falls. Brennan catches it. "Cardulo?" He lifts his eyes to Imogen. "I haven't seen him since yesterday," she says, her voice low, almost monotone. "Lieutenant Tavis?" "Among the missing," Brennan answers gently, then glances my way and does a double take. "Holy shit, Violet." "What?" I lower my arms. Garrick is missing, too? Who else makes up the four riders Weilsen mentioned? "Your finger," Imogen says, then stares at the ground. ā Chapter 66.
Imogen has not seen XADEN since yesterday, she does not specify upon Garrick. ā¦If she had seen him, she would have good reason to keep it a secret (as if she already didnāt for Xaden alone; though she definitely wouldāve been more inclined to help with his favor)⦠and while she does ask (which leads me to believe she does not know for certain) I think it is a pointed question not of āplease let him be aliveā and more of āplease let me be wrongā with whatever she does know. & again this would add to her completely numb/in-shock heartbroken canāt-look-a-soul-in-the-eye nature here; as she loves Garrick! So, if he turned she would also be joining the āheartbroken wivesā club (that I have a feeling Violet and Cat will be forming in the next book⦠along with the likely subsection of ādissapointed/disgruntled mothersā for Sgaeyl; cause hell hath no fury like a woman blessed by Dunne, and seeking revenge to rescue her lover from himself). And as we all obviously know Imogen does know something! (She didnāt have to look first to tell Violet to check her finger) like I said she canāt look her (or anyone) in the eyes (not until Violet asks that darn right single question āWhat did you do?ā). And while Brennan doesnāt seem shocked to see her (Imogen) she very well may have been among the missing riders (seeing as Violet sneaking in to find her prior to Brennan seems unlikely & difficult under the current discourse).
*edit* as Iām re-reading this Chapter 11 prologue from Iron Flame felt enough like foreshadowing to add it onto here:
"Garrick has always been my best friend. His father was my father's aide, which in a way makes him my Dain, except trustworthy. After Liam, Bodhi was and still is the closest thing I have to a brother, perpetually tagging along a step behind. āRecovered Correspondence of Lieutenant Xaden Riorson to Cadet Violet Sorrengail"
āViolet Sorrengail,ā she whispers, moving closer. āAre you wearing Riorsonās flight jacket?ā Liamās head snaps in my direction, curse his stupidly good hearing. ā Fourth Wing
I thought his signets were good vision (farsight) & ice?
I know the small magic enhances things (like Imogen being super fast)⦠is there any rhyme or reason as to what?
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If signets are based on a need why did imogen need to hide? Xaden, for instance we know needed that (both in shadows & his ability to keep lies undetected by knowing anotherās intent)⦠but Imogen⦠???
Could this be used to hide her identity somehow? ā Remember, RY loves early clues & Mira did suggest Violet die her hair, to hide her identity! ā Maybe it isnāt ājust coolā, what if her hair is different like Violet's is (or some other dedication trait)?! ⦠Perhaps this is again, why Quinn says she ācan't ever dye it the same color pink.ā Because something is different. ⦠This would also have another point seeing as Violet and her both have pale eyes. And plenty of times for happenings to have occured as young children.
Another theory being that her eyes are mentioned as green, something only the royal family are described as having⦠perhaps Aaric isnāt the only one with connections attempting to hideā¦
Or at the very least explains how she keeps up with something so impractical among warā¦
Her signet to erase memories comes from a need to hide things? So⦠How many secrets does she have? Such as a second signet (maybe she shape shifts to stone & keeps up the hair with the shifting skill?). Maybe she herself wanted to forget (maybe itās why she agreed to do as Violet asked). Nevertheless there are many questions!!
Question/Theory (2): How did Imogen save Dain & herself? ā Does Imogen have a Second Signet? ā Hereās why I think she does & what I think it is:
"You have a second signet, don't you?" And like Xaden, he hid the strongest one. ā Violet Sorrengail to Garrick Tavis, Chapter 11
This shows the pre-existing patterns/plans of the children of the rebellion (even more so; their dragons) hiding the strongest āweaponsā they have.
While Imogenās known signet is pretty powerful as is, this doesnāt count against the theory, as much like Xaden shows the āknownā signet can be nearly just as powerful as the unknown (so itās not like a contest of ātopping itā in a manner that she could not).
It is also something they hide no-matter what (not purely as a āsecret weaponā) but because having two signets goes against the rules & endangers them all in itself.
This does get further complicated in some cases (such as Xaden; where his need for hiding his signet is also out of the signet itself being a death sentence). Though it does beg the question of who (if anyone) knows about Imogenās second signet?.. and what that may mean for the power level of whatever it is?.. Iām willing to bet itās closer to a Garrick situation than a Xaden, as Dain does witness it (& while this was not the goal) it did not seem to be a death sentence (nor something she needed to take the time to make him forget)⦠Though the biggest question still stands of what is allowed and whatever that means in terms of the āmagical balanceā of their nature demands⦠posing the question:
How many of the same signets can exist on the same side? What is āthe balanceā? And is there such a thing as āsignet-gapsā?
Time and time again this is said⦠but what does it really mean?
"There is only one exception to the rule, Violet Sorrengail. Imagine my surprise when it turned out to be you." ā Theophanie to Violet Sorrengail, Chapter 60
When Theophanie tells Violet she is "the only exception" to āthe ruleā⦠this could very well be due to the anomaly of a shadow & lightning wielder being alive at the same time (two shadows, one per side, and one lightning total) however (unless I missed something which I very may well have) I presume it meant/hinted at something more.
Such as there being a ācounterā or āDark-Wielder-selfā per signet we know.
"I think you exposed your desperation with your once-a-century comment. You need me." "Another will come along," she warns. "You are not special." ā Violet Sorrengail to Theophanie, Chapter 60
Violet may not be āthe only oneā or special as much as she is rare, but there is some balance the world is waiting on in what it allows to occur at one time.
"My signet is always the balance," Bodhi argues, lifting his hand as the wind rises to a constant roar at our backs. "I can stop her!" "You can't!" I push again, and this time he stumbles sideways. "Your signet must only work on our magic, not theirs." ā Bodhi Durran to Violet Sorrengail, Chapter 60
Despite Bodhiās power; it shows it is not him. He is not the balance⦠or at least not theirs⦠Much like how magic doesnāt work on dragons, there is a difference within the Venin; and whatever that all does to the ārules of magicā. He cannot be the counter for them all⦠so what is (if Violet is the only un-countered signet)?
"She isn't the dark wielder version of you." ā "She's their answer to my mother." ā "She was the answer to me,". ā Bodhi Durran, Violet Sorrengail, & Theophanie, Chapter 60
This notes "the answer" from both sides. And that āmagic balanceā Iām speaking of⦠it seems like a similar structure to how signets are formed around need (Xaden needs to know who to trust = he can read intentions, Violet is desperate to speak to a sleeping Andarna = she can dream-walk) there is a storm-wielding Venin = Lilith Sorrengail the storm-wielding General.
"That's not possible," Imogen says. I turn around, reaching for a dagger, and freeze completely. Lynx stands in the middle of the hallway, shaking from head to foot, staring at the darkness that envelops his hands. "It's all right." Rhiannon rushes to Lynx's side. "Breathe. You're just..." "Manifesting," Xaden says, putting himself in front of Lynx. "Don't be scared. They're defending you. Fear. Anger. Whatever it is, level out your emotions, and they'll recede." Manifesting? Shadows? "I can'tā" Lynx shakes his head, and the shadows creep up his arms. "You can," Xaden assures him. "Close your eyes and think of the place you feel safest. Go ahead." Lynx slams his eyes shut. "Good job. Now breathe deeply and picture yourself there. Calm. Happy. Safe." Xaden watches as the shadows recede. Lynx's breaths even out, and his hands reappear. "Get him to Carr now," Xaden orders Rhiannon, and she nods. The squad ushers Lynx down the hall, but I stay behind, shock gluing my feet to the carpet. "I don't understand. You're our generation's shadow wielder." "Not anymore. Magic knows." Xaden's shoulders dip as he turns slowly to face me, his brow scrunching in apology before he schools his features. "He's the balance." ā Xaden Riorson to Violet Sorrengail & friends, Chapter 46
Something that appears to shock everyone; Imogen included⦠while this may have simply been the shock of shadows, or a fear of an attack, or even a rapidly turning Xaden, etc. it doesnāt change the fact they are all shocked⦠which implies some of these āonce in a centuryā skills are very unknown in what the world of magic āallowsā (especially when already intentionally ābreaking the rulesā as their dragons seem to be doing in choosing them).
"Heads up," Garrick says, and we both look forward as a first-year with a rebellion relic steps into the pit with Timin Kagiso-the newly promoted wingleader for Second Wing. "Let's try to keep anyone else from burning." Go figure another fire wielder was Second Wing's executive officer when Aura died. ā Garrick Tavis to Violet Sorrengail, Chapter 28
Finally, the note that there are known multiples of signets (for-instance) flame-wielders as shown above. And the possibility that they switch out upon death?..
And in many other moments it is shown that signet ācategoriesā can be vastly unique & frankly complicated⦠for instance the world of Intinnsics. While true intinnsics are killed, truth-sayers are not. Along with many other signets in the āmind-categoryā that skirt the edge (or donāt fully encompass) that which would get them killed, while being highly classified and quite similar to that of āfull intinnsicsā (like Xaden & Violet; who also have powers that take very different forms despite both being kinds of intinnsics; key word ākindsā) as very much seen in the spectrum of āmindsā between Imogen, Dain, and Varishās abilities.
We are also shown some signets that did appear at the same time (even if we didnāt know it) this may possibly be due to the rebellion relics or the fact they are second signets but it does occur; for instance Liam & Ridoc (both are ice-wielders).
"Are you pissed I didn't tell you?" I shake my head. "You don't owe me your friends' secrets." My brow knits. "But twenty hours of flying gave me some time to think. You. Garrick." I tilt my head. "And I once thought I saw Liam..." "āWield ice," Xaden says, stroking his thumb along my chin. I nod. "How often do second signets accompany these particular relics?" My fingers trail down the side of his neck. "Often enough to be sure Kaori can't possibly have accurate records, but not too completely that anyone questions why I only present with one," he answers. "Our dragons came looking for us. They knew what they were doing." "Giving you a better chance of survival?" I rest my hand over his heart. "If you wax sentimental. More like building their own army." A corner of his mouth rises. "More signets equal more power." ā Xaden Riorson to Violet Sorrengail (in reference to the rebellion), Chapter 12
This discussion confirms that there are not only āsecond signetsā that we do not know about, but also a habit of the "marked ones" / āchildren of the rebellionā being chosen for them leading to further questions on a ādragons rebellionā (which I will discuss further in an upcoming post).
All in all this makes it far more likely for Imogen to not only have a second signet as a marked rebel, but also keep unknown to us/Violet/or even Kaori at this time.
Continuing on the note of āknowledgeā / the danger these secrets pose in knowing them, itās worth noting:
"Hey, Bodhi?" I whisper so only the two of us can hear. "Hey, Violet?" he answers, looking up. "What's your second signet?" I lower my voice even more. He lifts his brows, then glances in Garrick's direction. "Don't have one." "As in you don't have one that I get to know about but will eventually see you wield, or don't have one have one?" A corner of his mouth lifts into a wry smile that reminds me of his cousin's. "Don't have one. Just like Xaden. Why?" "Curious," I admit. ā Violet Sorrengail to Bodhi Durran, Chapter 28
Violet does not ask to know about everyone else⦠even going so far as to later ask Bodhi if he had one. Meaning another inner-circle & third-year bestie like Imogen could very well have one.
Finally, on the note of āwhatā that signet may be & the known powers of Imogen + the primary OS quote that brought this to my (and apparently Dainās) attention:
Another set of footsteps joins mine, and a flash of metal sparks in the corner of my eye. Aetos catches up on my right, half his face drenched in blood, bearing his own dagger and a shield half his size. Shit. That's not good. Twenty. I channel my rage, rejecting any notion of fear, and draw one of my alloy-hilted daggers from the sheath at my arm in preparation to strike. We're almost thereāThe dark wielder pivots, whipping to face us with an unnatural speed even I can't match, and swings his staff in our direction. Fire erupts, barreling toward us in a deadly stream, and I weigh our options for all of a millisecond as we skid to a halt. It hits? We die. Jump? We die. "You will not burn!" Glane demands. Fuck, I really didn't want to have to do this, but I mentally open the door to my childhood home and flood my body with her power. "Getā" Aetos starts to yell. "Get behind me!" I shout, ripping the shield from his grip. His eyes flare wide, and he lets go. We have seconds, so I flip the shield, then slam its flat top between the row of stones at our feet and drop behind it, keeping my hand on the leather strap. Aetos jumps behind me as power rushes into my fingers so quickly I clench my teeth to keep from screaming. Heat surrounds us and the leather hardens in my grip as the shield turns to stone. Fire roars, blazes, flows around us. We are the rock in the river, demanding the water part. The heat dissipates as the blast ends, and Aetos dives to the left and throws. An alloy-hilted dagger sails from his hand and I rise, clutching my own. The dark wielder's expression of shock remains permanent as he desiccates a few feet away and falls off the wall. One down, but the guards are missing from the top of the turret, and I see a flash of purple disappear into the tower. Worse, another dressed in crimson strides along the eastern wall. Aetos jumps to his feet and draws his remaining dagger. "I'll take that one. You get the one in the tower." He glances at the stone shield, then breaks into a run, and I follow, sprinting as fast as I can. "And we're going to talk about whatever the fuck that just was later," he shouts over his shoulder, but l've already passed him, using lesser magic to boost my speed. ā Imogen Cardulo, Glane, & Dain Aetos, Chapter 63.
First off: Imogenās known & shown signet is short-term-memory wiping⦠this in itself is of course VERY powerful, classified, & helpful; most likely explaining the ending of this book & leaving us without plot holes in power (like that which Liam had)⦠this signet would even be extremely helpful for concealing a second signet. And so far, this signet has fit ever feat we have seen her do, with the other āhowā being lesser magic in that she (like Xaden) uses & states here "to boost speed". However, none of this accounts for the way she survived above. Or even some actions that would be out of character, for example the fact that she risked her life for Dain; I am not saying she wouldnāt, or even did risk it intentionally (she may have simply been refusing to cower behind him & unnecessary chivalry, or realizing the fastest way was to save them both) but jumping in here without a plan seems like too much a risk for too little a relationship to me⦠unless she had a way that was not some fluke or freak accident⦠perhaps it had something to do with the runes she goes to work on shortly, again mentioned by a mark on Dain Violet notes earlier (Iāll discuss this more in an upcoming post). But honestly, all of that fails to clearly answer the how of how she & Dain survived that & the way in which it is described. To me, that screams only one answer; a Second Signet.
This moment is also questioned & jarring to the characters themselves as Dain takes the moment to note its oddity while adding it to his ālist of things to talk about laterā (which began with the reveal of another second signet to him in the form of Garrickās distance-wielding, making it even more fitting to end with one too).
+ Let us not forget (as Liamās ice mentioned in FW came to prove itself right in OS) Rebecca doesnāt leave plot-holes. She leaves clues. And even more often adds details specifically & with intention.
In this moment Imogen describes "throwing open a door" in her mind (a very common phrasing for magic & the control of it among dragon-riders) one that she did not want to visit (or perhaps more so, did not want to reveal) with this timing & placement (āexposure to Dainā). But seeing as its life or death, she does as a last resort. Furthermore, on the note of ālast resortsā the phrasing is extra intriguing to me because her thought of grounding comfort is also one of pain & in itself reminds me of somewhere she would "not want to visit" & has kept shut away⦠similar to how a hidden second signet would be treated.
Glane tells her, ādemandsā/nearly-commands her "not to burn" (& while the way dragons show affection is often in a ādonāt dieā way) they have already covered this base earlier; it feels more like a reminder/order to open that āforbiddenā power & door to said second signet. One that would do exactly what we see her do; stop her from burning.
Not to mention the fact she is āfloodingā herself with power, this would be senseless right now if her only signet was short-term memory-loss. That will not stop the Venin Dark Wielders or flame, nor prevent them from burning, or protect her/Dain in any way we know of. Nor would lesser magic. So, anything sheās summoning has to have a different purpose⦠and sheās gather a lot of it.
And then we see this series of events that does not make sense with any other answer: Imogen forcing Dain behind her. Taking his weak shield that is smaller than them in size and not large enough to block flames (or by the sounds of it even sustain in materials & burnable leather against such a thing). Flipping it (again⦠odd), and slamming it into stone (I imagine this is not an easy thing to do as that sounds like breaking solid rock at your feet) and then seemingly it becomes stone itself. As Imogen stays holding on to it, not burning as heat goes around them, only feeling pain from a rush of power. Not to mention the question of where that stone appeared from in the first place (I canāt imagine a Dark Wielder taking aim right in front of a pillar of stone large enough to hide them). And then she says it; she IS the rock. She demands it to part. (Also, while this may be a stretch that means nothing; rock is mentioned heavily in the upcoming scenes, including the runes being formed, and the ground turning gray & draining while not yet harming that which she stands on).
As far as what powers that leads us with, we can of course, eliminate many that make no sense; both from these ārequirementsā & the plot (as an example: healing⦠if Imogen had that signet she wouldāve saved Quinn right then and there⦠whatever her power is, it was at its limit & without that capacity). Originally, I did think it could be some sort of Flame-wielder but that still wouldnāt explain turning to stone. Then I considered welding (some sort of Metallurgist like Sawyer), however, the more and more I read, I think that Imogen truly meant what she said (and itās the biggest clue Yarros gave, therefore silly to ignore & guess around) she turned it to stone. So, if not directly some sort of ārock-wielderā maybe some sort of āchanging-materialsā? Though I do think rock is the strongest theory, as if she had any substance at her fingertips, Iād guess there are more fire-proof options she wouldāve used (unless itās limited to that which she can touch⦠still⦠she didnāt pick what the shield was made of; she chose to change it to rock).
And who knows, (many second signets make a lot of sense in hindsight) so maybe thatās why she weight trains with Violet (she just makes rock weights lol⦠okay, thatās a stretch) but thatās the closest theory-ish thoughts I have!
P.S. final thought ā why does Imogen say:
I unsheathe my last alloy-hilted dagger and stare up at the wyvern-filled sky. Then I make my way back inside, slip Quinn's last dagger from her thigh sheath, and reach for Glane. "Tell every rider within the walls to get over here and disarm. It's the only way we're living through this." ā Imogen Cardulo, Chapter 63
Could this possible hint at the Second Signet as well? ā Why else would disarming be helpful (as opposed to dangerous)? ā Maybe she can turn these walls into the alloy if it is a substance-shifting signet⦠or do something with the walls material & stone?
So, in total I think there is only one conclusion; Imogen has a Second Signet & it rocks (literally).
Hii there! Sorry to be a pain in the arse, but please can you edit your text post about Imogen's second signet. The small text looks awesome, but I can't read it very well with my eyes, even with my glasses on. I have double vision so all I'm seeing is interlapping lines š so sorry xx
Question/Theory (2): How did Imogen save Dain & herself? ā Does Imogen have a Second Signet? ā Hereās why I think she does & what I think it is:
"You have a second signet, don't you?" And like Xaden, he hid the strongest one. ā Violet Sorrengail to Garrick Tavis, Chapter 11
This shows the pre-existing patterns/plans of the children of the rebellion (even more so; their dragons) hiding the strongest āweaponsā they have.
While Imogenās known signet is pretty powerful as is, this doesnāt count against the theory, as much like Xaden shows the āknownā signet can be nearly just as powerful as the unknown (so itās not like a contest of ātopping itā in a manner that she could not).
It is also something they hide no-matter what (not purely as a āsecret weaponā) but because having two signets goes against the rules & endangers them all in itself.
This does get further complicated in some cases (such as Xaden; where his need for hiding his signet is also out of the signet itself being a death sentence). Though it does beg the question of who (if anyone) knows about Imogenās second signet?.. and what that may mean for the power level of whatever it is?.. Iām willing to bet itās closer to a Garrick situation than a Xaden, as Dain does witness it (& while this was not the goal) it did not seem to be a death sentence (nor something she needed to take the time to make him forget)⦠Though the biggest question still stands of what is allowed and whatever that means in terms of the āmagical balanceā of their nature demands⦠posing the question:
How many of the same signets can exist on the same side? What is āthe balanceā? And is there such a thing as āsignet-gapsā?
Time and time again this is said⦠but what does it really mean?
"There is only one exception to the rule, Violet Sorrengail. Imagine my surprise when it turned out to be you." ā Theophanie to Violet Sorrengail, Chapter 60
When Theophanie tells Violet she is "the only exception" to āthe ruleā⦠this could very well be due to the anomaly of a shadow & lightning wielder being alive at the same time (two shadows, one per side, and one lightning total) however (unless I missed something which I very may well have) I presume it meant/hinted at something more.
Such as there being a ācounterā or āDark-Wielder-selfā per signet we know.
"I think you exposed your desperation with your once-a-century comment. You need me." "Another will come along," she warns. "You are not special." ā Violet Sorrengail to Theophanie, Chapter 60
Violet may not be āthe only oneā or special as much as she is rare, but there is some balance the world is waiting on in what it allows to occur at one time.
"My signet is always the balance," Bodhi argues, lifting his hand as the wind rises to a constant roar at our backs. "I can stop her!" "You can't!" I push again, and this time he stumbles sideways. "Your signet must only work on our magic, not theirs." ā Bodhi Durran to Violet Sorrengail, Chapter 60
Despite Bodhiās power; it shows it is not him. He is not the balance⦠or at least not theirs⦠Much like how magic doesnāt work on dragons, there is a difference within the Venin; and whatever that all does to the ārules of magicā. He cannot be the counter for them all⦠so what is (if Violet is the only un-countered signet)?
"She isn't the dark wielder version of you." ā "She's their answer to my mother." ā "She was the answer to me,". ā Bodhi Durran, Violet Sorrengail, & Theophanie, Chapter 60
This notes "the answer" from both sides. And that āmagic balanceā Iām speaking of⦠it seems like a similar structure to how signets are formed around need (Xaden needs to know who to trust = he can read intentions, Violet is desperate to speak to a sleeping Andarna = she can dream-walk) there is a storm-wielding Venin = Lilith Sorrengail the storm-wielding General.
"That's not possible," Imogen says. I turn around, reaching for a dagger, and freeze completely. Lynx stands in the middle of the hallway, shaking from head to foot, staring at the darkness that envelops his hands. "It's all right." Rhiannon rushes to Lynx's side. "Breathe. You're just..." "Manifesting," Xaden says, putting himself in front of Lynx. "Don't be scared. They're defending you. Fear. Anger. Whatever it is, level out your emotions, and they'll recede." Manifesting? Shadows? "I can'tā" Lynx shakes his head, and the shadows creep up his arms. "You can," Xaden assures him. "Close your eyes and think of the place you feel safest. Go ahead." Lynx slams his eyes shut. "Good job. Now breathe deeply and picture yourself there. Calm. Happy. Safe." Xaden watches as the shadows recede. Lynx's breaths even out, and his hands reappear. "Get him to Carr now," Xaden orders Rhiannon, and she nods. The squad ushers Lynx down the hall, but I stay behind, shock gluing my feet to the carpet. "I don't understand. You're our generation's shadow wielder." "Not anymore. Magic knows." Xaden's shoulders dip as he turns slowly to face me, his brow scrunching in apology before he schools his features. "He's the balance." ā Xaden Riorson to Violet Sorrengail & friends, Chapter 46
Something that appears to shock everyone; Imogen included⦠while this may have simply been the shock of shadows, or a fear of an attack, or even a rapidly turning Xaden, etc. it doesnāt change the fact they are all shocked⦠which implies some of these āonce in a centuryā skills are very unknown in what the world of magic āallowsā (especially when already intentionally ābreaking the rulesā as their dragons seem to be doing in choosing them).
"Heads up," Garrick says, and we both look forward as a first-year with a rebellion relic steps into the pit with Timin Kagiso-the newly promoted wingleader for Second Wing. "Let's try to keep anyone else from burning." Go figure another fire wielder was Second Wing's executive officer when Aura died. ā Garrick Tavis to Violet Sorrengail, Chapter 28
Finally, the note that there are known multiples of signets (for-instance) flame-wielders as shown above. And the possibility that they switch out upon death?..
And in many other moments it is shown that signet ācategoriesā can be vastly unique & frankly complicated⦠for instance the world of Intinnsics. While true intinnsics are killed, truth-sayers are not. Along with many other signets in the āmind-categoryā that skirt the edge (or donāt fully encompass) that which would get them killed, while being highly classified and quite similar to that of āfull intinnsicsā (like Xaden & Violet; who also have powers that take very different forms despite both being kinds of intinnsics; key word ākindsā) as very much seen in the spectrum of āmindsā between Imogen, Dain, and Varishās abilities.
We are also shown some signets that did appear at the same time (even if we didnāt know it) this may possibly be due to the rebellion relics or the fact they are second signets but it does occur; for instance Liam & Ridoc (both are ice-wielders).
"Are you pissed I didn't tell you?" I shake my head. "You don't owe me your friends' secrets." My brow knits. "But twenty hours of flying gave me some time to think. You. Garrick." I tilt my head. "And I once thought I saw Liam..." "āWield ice," Xaden says, stroking his thumb along my chin. I nod. "How often do second signets accompany these particular relics?" My fingers trail down the side of his neck. "Often enough to be sure Kaori can't possibly have accurate records, but not too completely that anyone questions why I only present with one," he answers. "Our dragons came looking for us. They knew what they were doing." "Giving you a better chance of survival?" I rest my hand over his heart. "If you wax sentimental. More like building their own army." A corner of his mouth rises. "More signets equal more power." ā Xaden Riorson to Violet Sorrengail (in reference to the rebellion), Chapter 12
This discussion confirms that there are not only āsecond signetsā that we do not know about, but also a habit of the "marked ones" / āchildren of the rebellionā being chosen for them leading to further questions on a ādragons rebellionā (which I will discuss further in an upcoming post).
All in all this makes it far more likely for Imogen to not only have a second signet as a marked rebel, but also keep unknown to us/Violet/or even Kaori at this time.
Continuing on the note of āknowledgeā / the danger these secrets pose in knowing them, itās worth noting:
"Hey, Bodhi?" I whisper so only the two of us can hear. "Hey, Violet?" he answers, looking up. "What's your second signet?" I lower my voice even more. He lifts his brows, then glances in Garrick's direction. "Don't have one." "As in you don't have one that I get to know about but will eventually see you wield, or don't have one have one?" A corner of his mouth lifts into a wry smile that reminds me of his cousin's. "Don't have one. Just like Xaden. Why?" "Curious," I admit. ā Violet Sorrengail to Bodhi Durran, Chapter 28
Violet does not ask to know about everyone else⦠even going so far as to later ask Bodhi if he had one. Meaning another inner-circle & third-year bestie like Imogen could very well have one.
Finally, on the note of āwhatā that signet may be & the known powers of Imogen + the primary OS quote that brought this to my (and apparently Dainās) attention:
Another set of footsteps joins mine, and a flash of metal sparks in the corner of my eye. Aetos catches up on my right, half his face drenched in blood, bearing his own dagger and a shield half his size. Shit. That's not good. Twenty. I channel my rage, rejecting any notion of fear, and draw one of my alloy-hilted daggers from the sheath at my arm in preparation to strike. We're almost thereāThe dark wielder pivots, whipping to face us with an unnatural speed even I can't match, and swings his staff in our direction. Fire erupts, barreling toward us in a deadly stream, and I weigh our options for all of a millisecond as we skid to a halt. It hits? We die. Jump? We die. "You will not burn!" Glane demands. Fuck, I really didn't want to have to do this, but I mentally open the door to my childhood home and flood my body with her power. "Getā" Aetos starts to yell. "Get behind me!" I shout, ripping the shield from his grip. His eyes flare wide, and he lets go. We have seconds, so I flip the shield, then slam its flat top between the row of stones at our feet and drop behind it, keeping my hand on the leather strap. Aetos jumps behind me as power rushes into my fingers so quickly I clench my teeth to keep from screaming. Heat surrounds us and the leather hardens in my grip as the shield turns to stone. Fire roars, blazes, flows around us. We are the rock in the river, demanding the water part. The heat dissipates as the blast ends, and Aetos dives to the left and throws. An alloy-hilted dagger sails from his hand and I rise, clutching my own. The dark wielder's expression of shock remains permanent as he desiccates a few feet away and falls off the wall. One down, but the guards are missing from the top of the turret, and I see a flash of purple disappear into the tower. Worse, another dressed in crimson strides along the eastern wall. Aetos jumps to his feet and draws his remaining dagger. "I'll take that one. You get the one in the tower." He glances at the stone shield, then breaks into a run, and I follow, sprinting as fast as I can. "And we're going to talk about whatever the fuck that just was later," he shouts over his shoulder, but l've already passed him, using lesser magic to boost my speed. ā Imogen Cardulo, Glane, & Dain Aetos, Chapter 63.
First off: Imogenās known & shown signet is short-term-memory wiping⦠this in itself is of course VERY powerful, classified, & helpful; most likely explaining the ending of this book & leaving us without plot holes in power (like that which Liam had)⦠this signet would even be extremely helpful for concealing a second signet. And so far, this signet has fit ever feat we have seen her do, with the other āhowā being lesser magic in that she (like Xaden) uses & states here "to boost speed". However, none of this accounts for the way she survived above. Or even some actions that would be out of character, for example the fact that she risked her life for Dain; I am not saying she wouldnāt, or even did risk it intentionally (she may have simply been refusing to cower behind him & unnecessary chivalry, or realizing the fastest way was to save them both) but jumping in here without a plan seems like too much a risk for too little a relationship to me⦠unless she had a way that was not some fluke or freak accident⦠perhaps it had something to do with the runes she goes to work on shortly, again mentioned by a mark on Dain Violet notes earlier (Iāll discuss this more in an upcoming post). But honestly, all of that fails to clearly answer the how of how she & Dain survived that & the way in which it is described. To me, that screams only one answer; a Second Signet.
This moment is also questioned & jarring to the characters themselves as Dain takes the moment to note its oddity while adding it to his ālist of things to talk about laterā (which began with the reveal of another second signet to him in the form of Garrickās distance-wielding, making it even more fitting to end with one too).
+ Let us not forget (as Liamās ice mentioned in FW came to prove itself right in OS) Rebecca doesnāt leave plot-holes. She leaves clues. And even more often adds details specifically & with intention.
In this moment Imogen describes "throwing open a door" in her mind (a very common phrasing for magic & the control of it among dragon-riders) one that she did not want to visit (or perhaps more so, did not want to reveal) with this timing & placement (āexposure to Dainā). But seeing as its life or death, she does as a last resort. Furthermore, on the note of ālast resortsā the phrasing is extra intriguing to me because her thought of grounding comfort is also one of pain & in itself reminds me of somewhere she would "not want to visit" & has kept shut away⦠similar to how a hidden second signet would be treated.
Glane tells her, ādemandsā/nearly-commands her "not to burn" (& while the way dragons show affection is often in a ādonāt dieā way) they have already covered this base earlier; it feels more like a reminder/order to open that āforbiddenā power & door to said second signet. One that would do exactly what we see her do; stop her from burning.
Not to mention the fact she is āfloodingā herself with power, this would be senseless right now if her only signet was short-term memory-loss. That will not stop the Venin Dark Wielders or flame, nor prevent them from burning, or protect her/Dain in any way we know of. Nor would lesser magic. So, anything sheās summoning has to have a different purpose⦠and sheās gather a lot of it.
And then we see this series of events that does not make sense with any other answer: Imogen forcing Dain behind her. Taking his weak shield that is smaller than them in size and not large enough to block flames (or by the sounds of it even sustain in materials & burnable leather against such a thing). Flipping it (again⦠odd), and slamming it into stone (I imagine this is not an easy thing to do as that sounds like breaking solid rock at your feet) and then seemingly it becomes stone itself. As Imogen stays holding on to it, not burning as heat goes around them, only feeling pain from a rush of power. Not to mention the question of where that stone appeared from in the first place (I canāt imagine a Dark Wielder taking aim right in front of a pillar of stone large enough to hide them). And then she says it; she IS the rock. She demands it to part. (Also, while this may be a stretch that means nothing; rock is mentioned heavily in the upcoming scenes, including the runes being formed, and the ground turning gray & draining while not yet harming that which she stands on).
As far as what powers that leads us with, we can of course, eliminate many that make no sense; both from these ārequirementsā & the plot (as an example: healing⦠if Imogen had that signet she wouldāve saved Quinn right then and there⦠whatever her power is, it was at its limit & without that capacity). Originally, I did think it could be some sort of Flame-wielder but that still wouldnāt explain turning to stone. Then I considered welding (some sort of Metallurgist like Sawyer), however, the more and more I read, I think that Imogen truly meant what she said (and itās the biggest clue Yarros gave, therefore silly to ignore & guess around) she turned it to stone. So, if not directly some sort of ārock-wielderā maybe some sort of āchanging-materialsā? Though I do think rock is the strongest theory, as if she had any substance at her fingertips, Iād guess there are more fire-proof options she wouldāve used (unless itās limited to that which she can touch⦠still⦠she didnāt pick what the shield was made of; she chose to change it to rock).
And who knows, (many second signets make a lot of sense in hindsight) so maybe thatās why she weight trains with Violet (she just makes rock weights lol⦠okay, thatās a stretch) but thatās the closest theory-ish thoughts I have!
P.S. final thought ā why does Imogen say:
I unsheathe my last alloy-hilted dagger and stare up at the wyvern-filled sky. Then I make my way back inside, slip Quinn's last dagger from her thigh sheath, and reach for Glane. "Tell every rider within the walls to get over here and disarm. It's the only way we're living through this." ā Imogen Cardulo, Chapter 63
Could this possible hint at the Second Signet as well? ā Why else would disarming be helpful (as opposed to dangerous)? ā Maybe she can turn these walls into the alloy if it is a substance-shifting signet⦠or do something with the walls material & stone?
So, in total I think there is only one conclusion; Imogen has a Second Signet & it rocks (literally).