Shit Beth Dutton Says ( 2/ā )
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Shit Beth Dutton Says ( 2/ā )

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Recently I was ripping a bunch of SBDs, so I decided to make my own comp of them! Some of them definitely aren't super silent, but those are just louder whispers from my ass!
Honestly it's like a fun little game, can you hear them? How badly do you think they smelt?
just gonna rant about fanon sirius real quick donāt mind me & my rapid descent into incoherency. everythingās under a cut bc this serves no purpose.
i fucking hate when heās conceptualised as this dramatic, over-the-top-angry, unreasonable manchild. actually, no. even one of those traits for him annoys me so much. people can write him however they want but atleast have the decency to slap an ooc tag on it if ur gonna butcher him that badly because heās !!! not !!! like !!! that !!!
the only time he shows an ounce of āmelodramaā (and i have issues w that term) is during the shrieking shack which he waited over a dozen years for in hellish conditions. heās probably starving, half delusional, and definitely a combination of angry and terrified out of his mind. heās been single-mindedly focused on one task, has probably used it to fuel himself through all material and psychological obstacles, and now that itās in front of him, of fkn course heās not gonna wait around for tea and crumpets to be served.
every other instance we have of sirius is him being cool, collected, logical, and rational as fuck. i recently read the āpadfoot returnsā chapter in gof for mc purposes and by god, i fell in love with him all over again. heās so terrifyingly competent?? the way heās gone through some of the most horrific trauma in the entire series, and his mind is still so sharp? his memory is impeccable? the way he joins dots and comes to conclusions? not just that, but heās one adult who listens to and trusts the trio, treats them like children with the weight of the world on their shoulders, actually seems to see them without rose tinted glasses on.
and his entire speech about crouch/the ministry/snape???? this is not someone who mindlessly hates slytherins. fucking hell, he was giving snape the benefit of the doubt in that chapter. āi donāt think dumbledore would hire him if he was really on the other sideā (paraphrased) and this is where he makes the point about observing how someone treats their inferiors. sirius has so many layers and heās such a complex character and heās so wonderful in his own right it annoys me sm to see him dumbed down into this- not even 2D but massively ooc version of him. and again, like, i donāt mind ooc at all. i read tons of ooc character fics! itās great and super fun! but for the love of god tag it that way.
and back to the being dramatic thing. this man lived in the same set of tattered robes, in caves, feasting on rats, generally not giving a single fuck. he tore chicken straight off the bone. lived on the run, breaking into peopleās houses and roaming around as a dog. heās not going to freak out over a broken nail or shriek or jump around for anything. when faced with a hostile molly weasley or a curious harry asking about his family (a sensitive topic) he chose to rely on cool answers and clipped tones, not outward explosions of anger. ugh. so much nuance, and itās all gone just like that.
also adding on to this to sayāhe doesnāt even show that much anger or bitterness. my man literally forgave everyone who turned on him in a second. he literally didnāt blink before hugging remus. where are people getting some ideas of him from šš
Shit Beth Dutton Says ( 1/ā )
Regulus and Remus stans view Sirius as an ancillary character to their faves so it pisses them off when he has a relationship that doesnāt automatically make them the center of it. Heās supposed to be in the supporting role lol
no but!!! a loooooong time ago we were talking ab this here, and a lot of anons chimed in, ab how sirius is only ever viewed as a vehicle for their progress, even more than characters usually are (if that makes sense) and it really just made for a super flat, incoherent characterisation. sad only :(

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Iād also toss in (not that you donāt know this lol) that thereās a nuance to Sirius too. As plenty of authors have acknowledged, heās a complex character to begin withāwe have a lot of information about his family and background in the text that give us as readers/writers of fic the opportunity to examine how having grown up in those circumstances would impact him, but heās alsoā¦not a one-note character?
My take on things is this: You can think Sirius is ādramaticā AND recognize that he was level-headed and logical in situations when the trio contacted him for adult advice. There are a number of ways to balance those two things where you donāt reduce his character to (as you out in your tags) āDrama Queen Sirius Black,ā but instead point out that a person can still be logical and enjoy their dramatics in situations where stoicism isnāt necessitated, you know?
Thereās also a lot to be said for the fact that our introduction to Sirius comes after over a decade in prison, which quite obviously has impacted him, as it would anyone. Even if he was more dramatic or reckless in his youth, thereās ample evidence in the books that in most situations where his actions are directly connected to Harry/Harryās livelihood, heās doing his best to be cautious and thoughtful. He wants to be a good godfather to Harry, even if his last experience doing so was when he was a 21-year-old (which is a totally different experience than it may have been if heād had a full 12 years post 1981 to learn what full-time parenting looks like).
The quote you referenced is a good example there tooāhe spent every year from 22-34 in prison, itās not as if he was given much of a chance to experience a normal sense of maturity and adult responsibility before he was imprisoned. Obviously there was a war going on, but he didnāt get to, say, tacitly do his taxes and complain about the government over his morning tea during that time. He was justā¦stuck.
We donāt get much about azkaban as a prison (beyond some of the obvious descriptors), so thereās no textual evidence to say that he couldnāt have been developing other skills while there or having meaningful conversations with other prisoners about the world outside, but at the end of the day, he was still stuck. Even if he was reading the Prophet every day, thereās a hell of a difference between reading about the world and engaging with it, and an even larger one between reading about major historical events and taking part in them.
I think thatās analysis of āheās basically still a 22-year-oldā is probably one of the better arguments for a sense of impulsivity, because that would definitely be an adjustment for anyone to make, but even STILL, we see so much evidence of him trying to be a reliable and responsible person for Harry that it seems like a bit of a character assassination to only ever say that he was dramatic.
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i love this!! iām a sucker for people more articulate than me (which is,,,most everyone lmao) actually putting this into proper words. youāre absolutely right that enjoying dramatics doesnāt have to take away from logical thinking (after all, i donāt think anyone would deny that snape wasnāt one for the ~drama while also being very competent at the same time). i guess itās just that i donāt see even that kind of penchant for it in sirius in the first place, but that could definitely be a me thing.
i have a lot of thoughts about him being āstuckā in azkaban and the kind of effects that would have on a young adults psycho-social development, so yes, that part would probably give the best rationale for impulsive sirius which makes it all the more weirder that itās never used. only the DoM fiasco, being in hogsmeade, and molly/hermioneās words are. i donāt know if this is my sirius apologism showing but i feel like even him being stuck as a 22yo isnāt fair, considering how much we actually see from him in terms of showing responsibility, conflict management and response to trauma, dealing with children etc, especially in gof. his caginess in ootp can be attributed to factors outside his maturity/impulsivity levels too imo.
ultimately, i think sirius did his best to overcome the barriers (both internal and external) he did have to fulfill his duties as godfather and a member of the order. i think both of us agree that was quite clearly shown as well, so i guess it makes it even more frustrating that itās glossed over for the most caricature-like of characterisations for him.
Iām loving the discourse here about Sirius fanon (mis)characterization, and I just wanted to add, if we take canon situations which point to Siriusā impulsiveness, they are - going after Peter in 1981, his attempts to break into Gryffindor tower and coming back into the country when Harryās scar hurt. I did not include going to the DoM because I donāt think this was impulsive, unless Remus, Tonks, Moody, Kingsley and Dumbledore going to the DoM is also called āimpulsiveā. His godson was in danger, he had a far better reason than the others (including the Aurors still on Ministry payroll, pretending to be supporting Fudge) to go to the DoM. If we look at the other examples, we can see that the main reasons behind his actions are usually (in no particular order) grief, love for his godson, and trauma. In fact, we know that despite his grief, he even tried to take Harry in 1981. It was only when he was denied by Hagrid (Dumbledore, really) that he goes after Peter.
I completely agree that the big deal made out of his ārecklessnessā and āimpulsivityā in OOTP were completely out of the blue. What really frustrates me about that is also that neither Molly nor Hermione ever apologize for their comments or behavior. Iād have liked to see Molly acknowledge she was unfair to Sirius, because she was panicking about her family being in danger, or Hermione acknowledging that she was passing judgement on Sirius because she had no idea what she was talking about when it comes to PTSD or trauma. Fans are quick to forget that sheās equally as clueless about how to deal with Harryās PTSD in OOTP, but somehow all of this disappears in time for HBP, and everyone āmoves onā.
The only person who truly understands Sirius (as much as he can, when dealing with his own trauma) in OOTP is Harry. Remusā nonchalance at keeping Sirius imprisoned in a house with his worst childhood memories is also baffling. Actually, Harryās reactions are most often a parallel to Siriusā reactions - Harry running after Bellatrix, like Sirius went after Peter, after the death of the only family they had. But, Harryās actions or reactions are always portrayed in a heroic light, they are always because of his love, or saving-people-thing (an oversimplification from Hermione that also frustrates me). JKRās bias in her portrayal of Sirius is obvious, and fans seem to have run with the caricature they made of Sirius in the movies and in Hermione and Mollyās OOTP words.
hello anon! š you and me both, tbh. i hadnāt quite realised how many people were disgruntled with siriusā fanon self so its quite fun for me to see all these interpretations.
re the DoM, i thought this was a wonderful post analysing why it wasnāt reckless of him to go, like u said.
re the other things, definitelyāloyalty, love, trauma, and grief make up so much of his core traits/responses. people like attributing selfishness/recklessness/immaturity to his decision to go after Peter but i donāt agree with them tbh. heās just lost his james, heās in a haze of grief and anger and guilt, and along comes a person who takes his godson on the orders of someone whoās the leader of their side in the war. why wouldnāt sirius, whoās deferred to the order before (harryās bday), listen? especially when it gives him a chance to go after the traitor? itās not a stretch, or arrogance, to think heād be (the only one) capable of catching peterāno one else knows about the switch *and* the animagus thing, after all. itās entirely possible for him to think about it in terms of neutralising a threat tbh. and iirc, he didnāt even go after peter to kill him or wtv? iām pretty sure it was firstly a āhow could u do thisā endeavour but also heās morally against that kind of violence, isnāt he?
and yes! it frustrated me sm that the narrative itself justified molly and hermione, even when theyāre categorically wrong (atleast imo). iām pretty sure siriusā arc (and james, to a lesser extent) is why the āshow, not tellā thing has made such an impression on me because jkr told us a whole lot about sirius but showed the exact opposite and thatās led to this clusterfuck of a canon characterisation lol.
remusā lack of care about sirius being imprisoned in GP makes me think that maybe he didnāt know all that much about his childhood, tbh. it lends even more credence to my hc that only james did. there was a shocking lack of care towards the kind of abuse walburgaās portrait & kreacher were hurling at sirius and the implications it had. and harry definitely showed an amount of care & understanding that others didnāt, imo. that comparison between umbridge and walburga, for one. the sirius-harry parallels are unending, arenāt they? because thatās such a good point about peter/bellatrix. itās interesting how similar actions, similar motivations can be demonised one way and praised the other.
Atp my benchmark for Sirius in fanfics is ādo I think this person could last like two seconds in Azkaban let alone 12 yearsā⦠one would be amazed by how many do not meet that criteria!
you lovely anon, i think youāve given me a new criteria now. this oneās a bit more objective than ~bad vibes~ too.
(also now iām examining my own sirius critically lmao can this highly domestic creature survive a day in azkaban? iā¦fearā¦he might not š¤)