#saturn 11th

Your Saturn & your definition of success through the houses

1H - Self-Image

Saturn in the 1H makes success a neverending test of your very being. You have never been able to hide from yourself, you've always been forced to confront the raw truth of who you are and all of your flaws. Because you have all he's been such a deep self-reflector, you have been given the gift of raw discernment since childhood, and you've had The talented ability to strip away illusions, performative actions and the masks that people wear. The adults in your life may have always found you to be a threat because of this. People may have always underestimated you and your gifts, your abilities, your intelligence, etc. They would dismiss your presence, they would make you feel like you are just a background character. However the truth is that you are typically the foundation of a lot of your family structures. You might have been a child, but you also have been the parent to your parents at one point. Saturn ensures you internalize those lessons until you understand that the only approval that matters comes from yourself. Success is not flashy or easy; it’s created in the quiet, unshakable authority you hold over your own life. You know how to work your room and demand attention and people notice that your confidence isn’t granted, it’s earned, and came from years of self-growth and hard work.

2H – Money, Values, Worth

With Saturn in the 2H, success is built on consistency and tangible security, both material and emotional. One of your very first painful lessons in life dealt with scarcity. Perhaps you came from poverty, or perhaps you came from money and then your family lost everything, facing scarcity was meant to make you strong. You could have learned how to make better financial choices, learned how to delay gratification to save money, or you could missed out on a lot of fun because you didn't have the resources early in life. You were challenged to face scarcity, budgeting mistakes, and delayed rewards, to gain a deep understanding of your personal value. You aren't chasing money, you're learning what you are willing to work for, what you will defend, and what you refuse to compromise. True success comes when you stop externalizing your worth and begin creating it within yourself, when you cultivate resources that reflect discipline and foresight rather than instant gratification. Over time, the slow accumulation of wealth, mastering over spending, and ability to build something lasting makes you a figure others respect and rely on, and this grounded self-sufficiency becomes the ultimate metric of your achievement.

3H – Mind, Communication, Learning

Saturn in the 3H creates a successful person by giving them lots of intellectual credibility and clarity. You may struggle to be understood early on, face criticism for your ideas, or feel the burden of needing to know everything before speaking. You were bullied, or a bully, and you faced lots of karmic patterns or consequences in this area in life. Communication becomes a skill honed under pressure and you learn to listen before responding, structure your thoughts with clarity, and speak in a way that commands attention. Success is defined by the major impact of your words, the respect people grant you for your insight, and the authority you cultivate in your community or field. Over time, what may have been social awkwardness or self-doubt transforms into a sharp, disciplined mind that others turn to for guidance, instruction, and reliable counsel & a success built not on charm, but on mastery and intellectual rigor.

4H – Home, Roots, Family

Saturn in the 4H forces you to redefine security and legacy. your family dynamics may have been restrictive, absent, or burdened with responsibility, and success comes when you break cycles of instability and create stability within the home which you have control over. You learn that emotional and material stability are intertwined, and that a home is more than walls, it’s structure, routine, and emotional reliability. Over time, you become the person who others rely on in crisis, the anchor in turbulent situations, and the one capable of transforming inherited patterns into legacies you are proud to pass on. Success here is deeply personal & it’s measured in emotional resilience, the ability to nurture without losing yourself, and the creation of a private world where you are safe.

5H – Creativity, Pleasure, Children

Saturn in the 5H teaches that creativity and joy can come with structure. Early in life, you might have felt that your creative expression was suppressed either by your parents or by your peers. You might have felt like you were going to be punished if you explored your talents, the different things outside of the norm, and try to enjoy yourself as a child. This placement screams "too much responsibility, too young. All work, no play". Here, saturn demands that you earn your right to shine. Success is cultivated by taking your gifts seriously, refining your artistry, and understanding that your passion carries weight when treated with dedication. Love, romance, and pleasure come with accountability, you cannot drift through life expecting fun to appear. The victories here are long-term:, recognition of your work, mastery of your craft, and the ability to create a life where joy is structured, purposeful, and enduring rather than fleeting or chaotic.

6H – work, health, service

Saturn in the 6H defines success through structure, reliability, and mastery of daily routines. A major theme or issue in your life could have been that you faced health challenges, overwhelming workloads, or coworkers/colleagues who test your patience, and these experiences force you to develop discipline, resilience, and a system for managing both tasks and energy. Your childhood has marked the way you handle responsibility (or don't) and with this placement, you can find that sticking to routines is a never ending task. True success is built when you learn to balance labor with care and avoid burnout. Over time, people come to see you as someone who can handle responsibility without complaint, who elevates the work environment simply by showing up consistently and with integrity. Here, recognition is quiet, internal, and earned, and your satisfaction comes not from accolades but from knowing you have built a foundation of reliability others can trust.

7H – partnerships, contracts, marriage

Saturn in the 7H makes success a lesson in accountability and balance within relationships. In early relationships, you may have tested your limits, experienced major power struggles, or brought karmic lessons that forced you to confront boundaries and responsibility. You learn that success can be more than just being adored or avoiding conflict, it can be creating partnerships that are equal, respectful, and mutually supportive. You might've really accepted less than what you deserved simply because you didn't want to be alone. Commitment is earned, not assumed, and maturity becomes your currency. Over time, Saturn rewards those who navigate relationships with honesty, integrity, and structure, teaching that the most significant triumphs come when you can share your life without losing yourself, and build alliances that reflect strength, trust, and enduring value.

8H – shared resources, intimacy, Transformation

Saturn in the 8H demands you to have more control over power, intimacy, and transformation in your life. You are rested the most when you have to share with others, it's definitely not easy for you. You might have experienced major financial loss due to an unreliable partner or person in your life. You might have a spending problem (or a credit / debt-stacking problem) and you are forced to get your finances in order. Success comes only through resilience, patience, and emotional intelligence. You learn to navigate dependency without surrendering autonomy, to handle crises with composure, and to steward resources or intimacy responsibly. Over time, you gain a reputation as someone who can endure hardship, manage complexity, and emerge from transformation stronger and wiser. Success here is profound and quiet, it’s the ability to command inner strength and outer responsibility, to harness deep forces without fear, and to create an existence that honors both power and accountability.

9H – Beliefs, Travel, Higher Learning

Saturn in the 9H makes success a matter of wisdom earned, not inherited. You may encounter restrictive belief systems, delayed education, or challenges to your worldview, forcing you to think critically and test assumptions through experience. The definition of success here is intellectual authority, the ability to mentor, guide, and embody knowledge with integrity. Over time, your lessons in philosophy, travel, or higher education accumulate into a personal framework that others respect; you are no longer swayed by superficial doctrines or trends, and your understanding carries weight because it is proven. Saturn teaches that mastery in the 9H is slow but lasting, and success is measured by the clarity, depth, and credibility of the worldview you build for yourself.

10H – Career, Public Image, Legacy

Saturn in the 10H defines success through achievement, authority, and public recognition. Here, the tests are tangible: career setbacks, slow advancement, or the heavy weight of expectations. You learn that shortcuts fail, reputation is earned, and the only path to lasting influence is persistent effort and strategic patience. Over time, your labor pays off, and what may have seemed like delays or blockages early in life become the scaffolding of long-term achievement. Success here is measured in legacy, how you are remembered, the authority you command, and the proof that you can manifest your ambitions into reality. Saturn ensures that the heights you reach are real, respected, and enduring, earned with sweat, discipline, and unwavering focus.

11H – Friends, Networks, Collective Goals

Saturn in the 11H tests your ability to belong, lead, and influence social structures. Early friendships may have been unreliable, or you may have felt like an outsider forced to carry more than your share of responsibility. Success is measured in the authority and respect you earn within groups, in the ability to navigate collective dynamics, and in your capacity to create structured support for yourself and others. Over time, your efforts transform isolated or chaotic networks into communities where you are recognized as a stabilizing force, someone whose wisdom and guidance shape outcomes. Saturn teaches that social influence is earned, not assumed, and that true accomplishment lies in creating systems, alliances, and visions that outlast fleeting trends or popularity.

12H – Spirituality, Endings, the Unseen

Saturn in the 12H defines success as inner mastery. You face hidden fears, isolation, and unseen forces that challenge your resilience, and Saturn forces confrontation with the parts of life that cannot be controlled or displayed. True success is measured by your capacity to endure in solitude, to cultivate spiritual authority, and to navigate the unseen with discipline and integrity. Over time, you develop a quiet power that others may not recognize, but which anchors your life in profound resilience. Saturn teaches that the greatest achievements here are private, subtle, and eternal, the mastery of self, the endurance of spirit, and the ability to turn hidden trials into unshakable strength.

hey everyone, got some new observations and random astro thoughts 👽 🔭

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🧊 The strongest aspects to the nodes in terms how obvious their effect can be, are squares then trines esp with tight orbs. They strongly activate the planet involved and the effect becomes very clear in how things unfold or manifest. e.g sun square or tine nn is more obvious to others, their personality is much more vibrant and noticeable. The conj/opp aspects are stronger but tricky to see, because they can mean something personal to the native, something karmic or unpredictable, like two people can have that aspect but have it manifest completely differently.

🧊 Saturn 11th could mean having to learn many of your life lessons through the internet or social media. Could be by observing people online and learning new things. These natives have felt alone majority of their lives and social media kept their company. May go through difficult experiences, like online bullying or feel rejected online. They eventually learn the sweet nonchalance and the importance of self love, that they don't care when people leave them or dislike them, because the ones that are meant to stay will stay. (This may apply to ppl w a stellium in the 11th, or chiron 11th).

🧊 Those who have saturn-nn aspects may have been involved with the law/governments or have fought for something that has to do with legal matters and order. Especially for or against their family. They aren't afraid to take it to court if it means regaining their rights. They tend to win cases because they have a strong sense of justice. If negatively aspected or dealt with, they may need to watch out for that, or for their need to put someone down using the law.

🧊 Venus in aries woman also like the friends before lovers dynamic, just like aqua. They prefer to be friends with guys first and can flirt with them until it evolves into a relationship. They’re also comfortable with masculine energy way more than feminine so they tend to make friends with boys a lot. Also they're not impulsive in love as they're said to be, if they choose someone it's because they found that physical chemistry, passion, youthfulness, independence, and loyalty in them, which they rarely do and they'd rather stay solo.

🧊 Thinking about how astrology signs and houses have a connection to our body, like from aries or 1st being the head, taurus or 2nd being the neck, gemini or 3rd being arms hands, cancer or 4th being the chest area, leo or 5th being the heart space, virgo or 6th being the stomach area, libra or 7th being the kidneys and lower back, scorpio or 8th being the the genitals, sagittarius or 9th being the thighs, capricorn or 10th being the knees and other bones, aquarius or 11th being the calves and ankles, and all the way down to pisces or 12th being the feet. I just find it fascinating. I know there are other body parts ruled by these signs, but I'm particularly pointing at the way it goes in order, from head to feet which is really interesting to think about, like how coincidental could that be? it makes it real.

🧊 Through learning more about astrology and how it relates to body parts, you can use that to heal and soothe your body. If you have pisces in your chart you may benefit from soaking your feet in water with salt or soap for stress relief, and grounding, being in water in general, music and rhythms could be healing too. If you have capricorn you may like to run a lot, exercise a better posture, chiropractic treatment, spend money on skincare and your dental care. If you have Leo placements, take care of your generous heart, your hair, go outside and get you vitamin d, massage your shoulders and upper back. I can do a whole post about that.

🧊 Speaking of that — I think there is so much more undiscovered in astrology. Way more info that is waiting to be discovered. We haven't been discovering much lately. I mean uranus was discovered in the 700s, neptune 800s, pluto 900s, and these were the official discoveries. The more we discover planets, galaxies or other yet to name objects, the more we discover things about our lives, and how everything in the universe is connected and affects our experience on earth. I just wanna reincarnate 700 years later and see to what extent things evolved, or maybe that's a short period. 

🧊 What if aliens are studying earth as an outer planet which may mean something particular to them just like we study say Jupiter and Saturn as planets with certain themes. Who knows what’s going on up there. But yeah this page is getting weirder by the day... I- sry 👀

🧊 I’m one of those that would skip the big three and jump right at north node aspects fr (all including minor aspects). I want to know a person’s life journey and potential before their personality traits. It can tell a lot about destiny, what comes naturally to us and where we need growth and even about our past lives. 

🧊 Consider meghan stallion whose chart I recently saw. The moment I saw it, I thought it couldn't be more fitting and clear. With mercury square nn, she had a urge to use her voice early on, her mercury is something that should be utilized, she raps and writes music. Mercury conjunct uranus, it's the unique ability to sing, rap and make music, a creative mind. Pallas opposite nn, she got a lot of natural charisma with her talents, she radiates confidence and strength which makes her liked. (also pallas-nn aspects can make someone influential). Venus sextile nn, she is well liked and has a lot of charm, she may do smth related to beauty. 

🧊 I don’t usually consider cusps in astrology when it comes to signs, it depends on whether I see the influence or not, I rarely do. But I def look at house cusps (especially asc, dsc, mc and ic). That axis, the end of a house and the beginning of the next is so important to look at, not just degrees but planets there. When planets are at the cusp of a house (up to 7°), it influences both houses i noticed. e.g. If saturn is on the cusp of the 8th and 9th then both houses are significant to look at, it could mean lessons related to studies, resources, travel, inner transformation, connections.. etc. Same with saturn on the cusp of the 11th and 12th, lessons related to friendships, hopes and dreams, the collective, loneliness, spirituality... etc. 

🧊 Planets conj/opp your asc or mc are a big part of how you appear to the world. They can overpower your asc or mc signs at times especially before you introduce yourself and have a proper talk with someone. Once they know you personally they'll pick up on the ascendant sign traits. Strangers or the ones that don’t know you will pick up on the planet's energy before the sign. e.g. if you have uranus conjunct asc or mc, no matter the ascendant your uranus qualities will be more visible to others. If you have more than one planet conj/opp then you could give off different impressions to different people. I have uranus conjunct mc and pluto opposite ascendant, I've had some see me as eccentric, detached and some others as mysterious, powerful. This applies to planets in 1st and 10th.

🧊 The most difficult moon signs are capricorn, scorpio, aquarius and virgo. They know what it feels like to be emotionally drained, yet empty. They'd rather not show emotion, even scorpios don't show a fraction of the range of emotions they experience. They deal with it differently, but they all put on a cold front, even with themselves, seeming unemotional, especially the saturians. They sometimes don’t know how to show the depth, wisdom and caring heart they have, but they damn sure know how to work hard and be that special person. They add so much to the world but they don’t feel like they fairly get any back. Each of these signs have distinct traits of their own but I applaud y’all. The most interesting to observe truly. 

🧊 Also with these moon signs, their mother may have been a challenging figure in their lives, she may have been either critical, controlling, egoistical, cold or just absent in some way. They likely didn't have an easy childhood to say the least.

🧊 The moon is what we inherit from the mother and it's exactly how we develop those traits, and how we essentially... treat her back. So if the mommy of a cap moon child thought she could be overbearing, cold and expect the unexpected from her child, she can be met with an advanced level of coldness and authority from her grown child, thanks to her. Same with a virgo moon child's mother, if she thought she could be critical and compare them to literally anything and judge the hell out of their existence, they would give her a neat taste of her medicine, sharper criticism backed with better facts. The mother also learns a lot from her children through their moon sign. This applies to all moons.

🧊 I noticed that scorpio placements don't find it easy to change or let go of things (unless they have many pluto aspects). I met many scorpio ppl and they tend to hold on to the past, tightly. Many of them told me they hate moving out. It depends on other placements tho, if mixed with capricorn or earth, they are sooo traditional and stubborn my god. If mixed with air, they're less to hold on. Pluto placements and aspects are the actual phoenixes, they embrace every part of their transformation process, they burn things to ashes and emerge stronger, I love seeing it.

🧊 Every time I meet a pisces moon person, they have some unusual quirks to them. They can have this awkward yet charismatic behavior, like wtf was that, but you stare at their watery eyes. Pisces moon men esp, the weirdest sense of humor 🤚s down, but you can't help it cuz it's cute. Which is why they can trick and manipulate you cuz you thought they were innocent *pleading emoji*.  

🧊 Quintiles and bi-quintiles give me an aquarius vibe, they hold such a unique energy to them, a different connection between the planets. Quintiles to the nodes or mc, it's so refreshing and special whatever that quality you got, it may even be addictive to others (sun, venus, neptune quintile nn). Check if you have asteroids quintile the nodes, you may benefit from tapping in to the potential they hold and utilizing it.

🧊 Whatever house pluto is in it’s where you got power that you needed to learn to take back. It was gained eventually through being taken away from you or not seen by you. The power of realizing the effect you have over the themes of a certain house which activates it.

🧊 Some examples, pluto 10th, how people see you publicly may not be who you are at home. The accusations or assumptions, the jealousy and maybe even manipulations about your career choices made you feel powerless at times but it’s where your power lies. As soon as they discover that it's up to them to decide who they are publicly, they take back that power and show up in the public as an unstoppable force, changing the world. Pluto 7th, the constant mirroring of people’s shadows, the projections, the lies or manipulations that happened in their relationships made the native feel powerless in connections and over the way they see or present themselves. Once they embrace the way they appear and connect with others, a new sense of strength and power is awakened in them and they radiate that even more strongly, this time unapologetically. 

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bonus - asteroids obs ⚛︎

🧊 People that have charisma (627) in a fire sign stand out when they're taking action, they naturally radiate that leadership vibe, others expect them to take imitative with things especially if it's in aries, they have that youthful go getter vibe. If it's in leo they're seen as very influential and others follow their lead. If in sag they're seen as funny and joyous to be around, everyone wants to be with them. 

🧊 Asteroid aura (1488) can show you what colors and styles look good on you, check the sign, degree and house. If it's in an earth sign, those earthy colors, greens, browns, formal, vintage. dark academia styles. If in a fire sign, those fiery vibrant colors, colorful sparkly makeup, casual yet bold looks. In an air sign, classy or street looks, patterns and accessories, youthful styles. If in a water sign, dreamy flowy fabrics, neutral colors, blues and purples, jewels.

🧊 Also check the planets it aspects, say aura is in pisces conj saturn then you can incorporate those dreamy looks in a saturnian typa way, e.g. I imagine a man in a bright silk shirt with brown vintage pants, a matching jacket, and a pearl choker, something ethereal but earthy at the same time. 

🧊 Asteroid sirene (1009) in scorpio, aspecting pluto or in the 8th could make someone have an extremely alluring presence like you would want to stare for long to understand their vibes but you won't. I also find it alluring if it's in capricorn, aquarius or pisces. 

🧊 Asteroid meesters (10647) and talent (33154) in aquarius or the 11th could mean creating or inventing something new in your field, having or mastering a unique or rare skill. This can also mean recognition for a unique talent. Aspecting nn can mean you mastered some talents in a past life or will in this life.

Hi besties,

I'm doing another observation for ya ☺︎ I truly enjoy writing these so much. These ones are a little longer, because the aspects are complex.

Now this is the saturn post, so many saturn observations. 🪐

Highlights: taurus, moon, virgo, capricorn, gemini, aquarius, saturn, neptune, 12th house, 11th house, celebrity charts, earth placements.

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🍁 Earth moons, especially taurus and virgo, have amazing taste in fashion and all material things. They can determine the quality of things by feeling it or just looking at it. They may have standards for what they buy. They are the type to go like "this thing will break in 3 months, do you really wanna waste your money?". Taurus moons may buy things frequently because they just like it. Virgo moons analyze the price and value and criticize the hell out of the store and owner too looool. They are on the look for the "perfect" thing, it needs to look and feel a certain way. Capricorns are chill with it, they be calculating their money? but they spoil themselves.

🍁 Earth moons are also really good at taking care of their belongings. Once they buy something they cherish it and keep it looking new for so long. They know how to clean and maintain what they have. Their clothes may look new and expensive even if they’re not. They take good care of their surroundings too, especially caps and virgos. 

🍁 Saturn conjuncting or positively aspecting an inner planet makes someone good with business. Especially aspects to sun, mercury and mars. Their investments work out and are long term. They learn how to make money quickly but are also patient with it. They just have a natural business mind. The types to own multiple businesses and maintain their success. 

🍁 Saturn aspects to neptune, especially squares/oppositions/conjunctions, feeling guilty whenever you dream, when you let yourself be hopeful for no reason, when you think of an ideal. Stopping yourself from fantasizing because it’s "unreal", because you wouldn’t do it, you don’t know how to do it, you haven’t done enough. These people don’t realize they have huge potential to make their dreams come true, especially if other aspects support it. Saturn here gives a hint of pessimism to your dreams, and wakes you to reality every time. Saturn here also allows you to have your dream after it took it away from you. Once they have learned how to work with both planets they can be very successful and looked up to. 

🍁 Craig Ferguson having Gemini mercury at 17° and a Scorpio moon? I see why this guy is flirtatiously sarcastically funny. He also has mars in Aries which adds to his quick wit and boldness. Even tho his humor can be dark and direct, the fire also makes it fun and lighthearted. His Libra ascendant, keeping it balanced and making his guests comfortable even when he says the most questionable things lol. His Leo MC at 5° adds to his charismatic personality like a cherry on top. His chart is too interesting fr.

I can do more celebrity analysis in the future?

🍁 I also imagined him having more earth in his chart, because of his authoritative and well respected persona? But he has none at all lol. Ik that a Leo MC can also give a strong persona and demands respect. Now there are aspects that answer the question. The harsher the aspects the more the person naturally demands respect because of the lessons they learned. His saturn opposite NN and MC, he had a difficult upbringing, especially with that Aquarius IC, ouch. Pluto opposite Chiron and Jupiter conjunct Chiron, wounds making him strong and wise. His Mars opposite Ascendant adds a layer of intimidation. 

🍁 You and your Aquarius or Gemini placements bestie, each texting about completely different topics, sending each other irrelevant weird sh*t, sending questionable memes, laughing at different things, answering in questionable times, never answering questions completely, yet you don’t question it at all, because in your mind you're embracing each other's uniqueness. how quirky 💀

🍁 I rarely meet Aquarius and Pisces suns and placements, even tho I want to analyze them badly, I rarely have a chance to interact with them. plz come to my life I want to judge your personality.. with admiration of course! (my virgo moon speaking). 👽 

🍁 People with saturn in the 4th house had a difficult upbringing and heavy responsibilities put on them early on, this shaped their personalities and perceptions, and made them want to work harder to break their families emotional trauma and find security. They want to heal their trauma affecting their sense of safety and security emotionally and financially. Saturn 4th in charts of Marilyn Monroe, Craig Ferguson, Harry Styles, Madonna, and Drake. 

🍁 The hardest saturn house placements imo, are saturn in 11th, 12th, 10th, 4th, 7th. If you have these I respect you so much buddy, truly, it's a nightmare. These are also karmic, don't mess with these people, or you're inevitably meant to mess with them? because it's the way to get your karma and for your ass to learn a lesson. The universe works through them and they get the lovely pain in return loool. No fr they get so much power in return, they're protected heavily and are blessed with so much in life, they just wait longer for bigger blessings. Ily all.

🍁 Now if you have saturn in the 11th, or 11th house cusp, chances are you feel left out, you feel alienated, you hate socializing and hate strongly desiring it. Your friends betray you so easily it's insane. People give you weird looks. Your classmates, coworkers, avoiding you, it's your power, it's karma scaring them. People avoid doing you wrong but fall for the trap before they know it, they are hit hard with karma. They see what they reject in themselves in you, their hopes and dreams, their self expression, true unfiltered selves. People who don't know how to stand out and are people pleasers hate you the most. You are a non conformist, and like your alone time. You leave as fast as you enter someone's life, you become a mystery.

🍁 With this placement, your friends are not meant to be long term, only few will. Better friends will come as you mature and become older. Saturn makes it clear to you who has your best intentions at heart and who doesn’t, or tests you to see if you learned from experiences on how to detach from toxic people and be yourself no matter what. You will be blessed with amazing people and communities that understand you and embrace your individuality, the path to this isn’t easy, but hold on. 

🍁 Saturn 11th can pick up on negative energies, places and fake people. They don't even have to say or do anything their presence solely is triggering those places and people and bringing on change. They change people's lives and their own like a lightning bolt. They are activists online and they start threads and campaigns to wake people up and bring on some change. These people can have a strong presence online. 

🍁 The og terrible nightmare is saturn in the 12th (yay I have it). Bonus points if saturn is harshly aspected, or touches neptune. I wanted to do a whole post or even article about this placement. It's intriguing. I stop to think a lot whenever I see it in a chart, especially of powerful people which is often the case, but I don't understand it fully! I'm always shocked to see it in people's charts, it's very subtle and mysterious, it manifests in different ways, you can’t tell until you really see it play out. This is one of the most powerful placements saturn can be in.

🍁 Now saturn 12th differs depending on whether it’s closer to the 11th or the 1st house cusp. If it's closer to the 1st house it plays out in one's self expression and self assertion when it comes to their lives, so this area is challenged for them. If it's closer to the 11th it, it plays out in themes relating to groups, people, connections, dreams, expressions, the collective.. etc. The 11th and 12th both rule the collective consciousness, uranus and neptune, and in this case saturn is also at play, woah, this is what makes this a triple power placement. Individuals that have it closer to the 11th house likely experienced the effect of saturn on both houses. They were, hated, alienated, people tried to take their power, people saw them as an enemy or a threat, people wanted to harm them, didn't want them to believe in themselves, they struggle to assert their power, but they are meant to.

🍁 Saturn 12th is also very similar to the 11th when it comes to giving people karma and showing them their place without doing anything, but it's more powerful, it plays out subconsciously and for longer periods. Now I'm talking, manifesting as diseases, mental issues, suicidal thoughts, severe accidents, even death. Manipulators, cheaters, liars, people with bad intentions, jealous people, those who manipulate their power whether through resources and money or fame and dark shady stuff, all gravitate towards you, ik it's horrible lol. I'm so sorry you're a magnet for bad people. They want to control you and manipulate you. You have to be careful with this placement to not trust people, but you already don’t trust no one lol.

🍁 Saturn 12th forces you to face your shadow self head on, dealing with depression, negative thoughts, sorrow, low energies, bad habits, taking your subconscious seriously. It is likely that at a young age they didn't understand their subconscious patterns, mental health issues started surfacing for them as teenagers, they had a hard time understanding their mind. You feel extreme loneliness, very likely only children? being removed from everyone else even if you need people. Forced to do everything alone. Feeling like you have to deal with everything alone. Feeling like you will never be understood. These people wished to disappear from earth so many times. ☹︎ Dealing with people's shadows and forcing them to face it. Mirroring back energies. You are heavily protected so fear nothing!

🍁 Now what gives these individuals this much power? It's everything I have mentioned above. This applies especially if saturn is closer to the 11th. These people have gone through the depth of their emotions and thoughts, they drowned in them. They faced harsh realities about themselves and others. They've understood so much about their own triggers and limits. They have destroyed and rebuilt their subconscious with a stronger foundation. Now they have access to the collectives subconscious, they have power over it, they can rule people or even manipulate them. They have a strong effect on their surroundings. They take on positions of power easily. They destroy limits and rules and build newer ones just like they did with their minds. They can be as toxic as the people they dealt with, or can cause amazing changes in their environments and be remembered for changing the world. 

🍁 Saturn 12th being prominent in charts of individuals that are/were presidents, politicians, musicians, and activists. Examples with saturn in the 12th being close to the 11th cusp or in the cusp, Vladimir Putin, Barack Obama, George Washington, Donald Trump (in the 11th closer to the 12th), George W. Bush, Beyoncé, Zayn Malik, SZA, Will Smith (exactly on the cusp), Matthew McConaughey (on the cusp), Whitney Houston. I can name so many others. 

🍁 Worthy to mention that many of the themes mentioned about saturn can also apply to pluto in the 12th, 11th and 10th, but in a different way. I can do a whole different post about that.

Sometimes I don't feel appreciated, I even feel that people don't spend times with my friends because I'm there. Why is so hard to feel loved by my friends. Even when I'm careful and sweet with the girls I tend to be dismissed by them or they directly don't like me at all just because... I don't know why. I try to be gentle and compassionate. I tend to act out of love. I don't know if this will ever change but I have to be mindful that not everyone likes me and that people that love me like a friend and think that I'm important are very few and that's ok. For them I would do anything.

But I don't have to be there for anyone that doesn't values it. I'm sad and tired but it's better to not trust anyone that much or not put that much effort until they show that they're grateful and that they are really worth it.