#same circumstances

So Sam girls went 'round and 'round, trying to explain and RE-explain he wasn't saying "I would not save you, Dean" but rather he would not go against Dean's explicit desire to not have his bodily autonomy violated

THOSE were the circumstances he was referring to.

What do you think Sam meant when he said "same circumstances I wouldn’t" in s9?

This has been a topic of debate since it happened. So much drama and confusion, both on the show and within the fandom. It was a very sad time indeed. Samgirls think Sam means that he wouldn't let an Angel possess Dean if he was dying, and Deangirls think Sam was just trying to hurt Dean because he was mad at him, and some think he actually meant, he wouldn't try to save Dean’s life period, which everyone with an IQ over 20 that has watched the show knows that isn't true.  Well, I don't believe either answer is correct, and I’ll tell you why. 

I think the answer is much clearer if you don't assume Sam is talking about the possession, but about Dean talking him out of closing the gates of Hell. I won't argue that Sam is angry about Dean tricking him into being possessed, but that’s not the focus of this argument. It starts when Dean tells Sam that he saved his hide back there (at the spa) and at the church, and at the hospital, and he'd do it again. Sam says that's what the problem is, Dean thinks he’s his brother his Savior who has to swoop in and save him and he thinks its the right thing to do but it's not. Kevin is dead, Crowley is in the wind and they're no closer to solving the Angel problem. Sam asks “Tell me, what is the UPSIDE of me being alive?”

Of course for Dean, it’s the simple fact that Sam isn't dead. For Sam, had he died, none of these things would be a problem.  This isn't “Had you not gotten me possessed” its “Had you let me die...” 

I can't be your horse any more You're not the warrior I've been looking for

Warrior - Laura Marling

YES THANK I keep seeing people saying that Dean is telling sam to stand up for himself and recognizing his trauma, and so we should be thankful!! And I'm like... no, that's not what he's saying. I'd be ecstatic if it were, but from this clip alone, what he's saying is "stop seeing things from multiple points of view, you should agree with Me and Only Me."

Holy mother of FUCK.

There was an ENTIRE season of this godforsaken show (S9) where Sam DID stand up for himself (AGAINST DEAN) and recognized his trauma (WHICH DEAN CAUSED) and was raked of the coals for it (MOST LIKELY BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CLAIM DEAN IS ENCOURAGING SAM TO STICK UP FOR HIMSELF). 😤  

I have an ENTIRE fucking tag (”SAME CIRCUMSTANCES”) where myself and an assortment of bitter Sam girls have had to defend Sam’s very reasonable stance with Dean about The Gadreel Fiasco (TM) from people who claimed Sam was being unfair for daring to have completely reasonable emotional reactions to his autonomy being taken away and his memories being erased at the command of HIS OWN BROTHER. We fought for SEASONS over this issue and it was BLOODY and EXHAUSTING... but now all of a sudden, to defend Dean’s (as you so perfectly articulated it) "stop seeing things from multiple points of view, you should agree with Me and Only Me" rant, they want to act like they’re in favor of Sam standing up for himself against trauma and that Dean is advocating that???? After how butthurt Dean got for being rightfully called out for violating his brother’s body, mind, and trust??? 

I guess as long as it’s not Dean who caused the trauma they’re on board.

Tonight Im going to skip my “Top 30 Favs” entry because a lot of Tumblrs are offline today, and open a discussion about a topic that may have been talked out to death, but, take a different approach to the subject. Please understand right away, I am not throwing either Winchester under the bus, nor am I claiming one is more right than the other, and leave that completely up to your interpretation. Im speaking about the painful argument Sam and Dean had at the end of The Purge. I think right off we can all agree it hurt!! Some will feel it hurt more for Sam, some will feel it hurt more for Dean, and I understand both sides, and I feel like both these boys were hurting big time.  Now, if this is a touchy subject for you, and you dont think you could look at it with a fresh point of view, and see it in a possible other way, then dont go past the cut. I dont want to fight about the topic, but I would love a discussion.